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Perils Seen in Obama's Afghan Strategy
WASHINGTON - With official announcements about a new strategy for the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan expected in the coming weeks, details of the plan are starting to emerge in press accounts which describe a renewed focus on the war-torn Central Asian country and its volatile neighbor, Pakistan.
According to a series of interviews with administration officials, the New York Times has said that the plan to mollify the growing Taliban-led insurgency will be to peel away elements from its hard-line ideological leadership.
Pakistani lawyers hold bamboo sticks as they run toward police officers during an anti-government rally in Multan, Pakistan, Saturday, March 14, 2009. Pakistan's president urged opposition parties to negotiate an end to the country's political crisis while vowing to maintain law and order 'at all cost' in the face of gathering anti-government protests. (AP Photo/Khalid Tanveer) U.S. President Barack Obama's review has, according to those officials, concluded that at least 70 percent of the fighters - the "foot soldiers", as the Times called them - are not committed to the extremist goals of the Taliban and al Qaeda leadership operating in the region.
The broad strategic review of conflict in the region is based on individual assessments from three military leaders - Joint Chiefs head Adm. Mike Mullen; Gen. David Petraeus, head of U.S. troops in the region; and Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute - and the Af-Pak (as the regional situation is called) diplomatic special envoy, Balkan Dayton accords architect Richard Holbrooke. Former CIA analyst and administration review chairman Bruce Riedel will compile those assessments.
The now commonplace notion that the Afghanistan war can be lost across its border with Pakistan will drive the new administration strategy to significantly beef up aid to Pakistan focused on both general development and quelling its own Taliban-led insurgency, as opposed to preparations for potential war with its traditional adversary, India.
The sentiments of the administration review largely echo many of the points in a new International Crisis Group (ICG) report released Friday, "Afghanistan: New U.S. Administration, New Directions," though the ICG represents a strategy more cautious about bringing in insurgents and more ambitious about goals for the Afghan government.
Speaking at a NATO meeting in Brussels this week, Vice President Joe Biden broke down the Afghan insurgency into three groups: 5 percent irreconcilable ideologues, 25 percent whose loyalties were questionable, and 70 percent who are interested only in "getting paid."
The ethnic-Pashtun Taliban group operates on both sides of the Af-Pak border in what is sometimes called Pashtunistan, but it is not a monolith and depends on a wide variety of alliances with smaller groups that don't necessarily share in the fundamentalist zeal of the Taliban leadership.
The division bolsters the notion that by offering incentives - particularly, in this case, cash - the insurgents can be convinced to drop their violent opposition to the Afghan central government.
A similar strategy worked in Iraq, where Sunni fighters were "peeled away" - the terminology for chipping away at the rebelion's manpower - from the insurgency with the offer of 300 dollars per man to join U.S.-backed militias, known as Sahwa or Awakening councils.
But the ICG report is hesitant about applying the strategy in Afghanistan.
"Afghanistan is awash with weapons and armed groups," said the report. "Creating unaccountable local militias - based on a false analogy with Iraq - will only worsen ethnic tensions and violence."
The report says that rather than focusing on building "parallel structures", efforts must be centered on building Afghan national institutions, strengthening the rule of law and tackling rampant corruption - and creating "more democracy, not less."
In a list of recommendations of "What Should Not Be Done," ICG places "negotiations with jihadi groups, especially from a position of weakness" first. While not completely discounting the notion of ‘peeling away' those "groups prepared to abandon their jihadi ambitions," ICG pointed to deals in both Afghanistan and Pakistan that have failed both by not bringing long-term peace and by "enhanc[ing] the power and activities of violent insurgents while doing nothing to build sustainable institutions."
Former CIA officer Milton Bearden, who led clandestine efforts to back militias against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s, made similar comments speaking this week at the Nixon Center.
"If we do militias, then they can't be ‘our' militias," said Bearden. He recounted the dual allegiance of militias in the past, noting that, though he gave 250,000 dollars to Northern Alliance leader Ahmad Shah Massoud, he "was as loyal to me as he was to his [Soviet intelligence] officer."
In another example, Bearden said that militias would profit from Soviet assistance as well.
"The Russians gave militias tonnes of equipment and arms, and we would buy them and save on shipping costs," said Bearden.
In terms of security, ICG offers up the idea of expanding the increasingly successful Afghan National Policy (ANP) and focusing more on protecting civilian centers rather than conducting temporarily disruptive sweeps into territory controlled by insurgents.
But indications from the administration are that, as the focus shifts more toward Pakistan, expectations for Afghanistan are being lowered, including building up institutions aimed at long-term prosperity. Instead the war effort will emphasize preventing the Af-Pak region from becoming a launching ground for jihadi attacks against the West.
The Times quoted a senior European official stating that goal quite bluntly, while pointing to more gentle statements by realist U.S. Secretary of Defense Bob Gates.
This strategy of lowered expectations includes bolstering aid to Pakistan to pacify the Taliban and al Qaeda strongholds in the Northwest border regions - especially aid not slated to strengthen the civilian central government - and the apparent readiness to continue a CIA strategy of targeting insurgent leadership in Pakistan with missiles launched from unmanned drones.
The Times article indicated that there was still debate as to just how much aid should be delivered to Pakistan, especially with regards to non-military aid. Sens. John Kerry and Richard Lugar are expected to introduce a bill soon that closely resembles a bill calling for tripled non-military aid introduced by Obama and Biden when they were both still in the Senate last year.
In contrast to the apparent indecision within the administration, the ICG report makes clear that focusing more on broader goals in Pakistan is needed. The top two goals for the country are to "strengthen civilian rule" and "support political reform in FATA," the Federally Administered Tribal Areas in Pakistan's northwest that have become strongholds of the Taliban-led insurgency and al Qaeda as they fled Afghanistan.
The recommendations call for increased economic, reconstruction, and humanitarian aid in order to ‘help win hearts and minds and deprive the jihadis of a potential pool of recruits."
As for Afghanistan itself, ICG tacitly endorsed putting more U.S. troops on the ground, albeit in a more restrained capacity of protecting civilian centers and roads.
Obama recently ordered 17,000 more troops into Afghanistan, with perhaps 13,000 more to come if commanders on the ground have their requests met.
Bearden, for one, doesn't consider this much of an escalation, saying that the troops were only topping up to fill vacancies left by departing NATO forces.
"I don't say this is his Vietnam," he said. "17,000 troops is not a surge; it's kind of old business."
However, Bearden warned against a full-scale escalation: "If you send in more gunfighters, you'll get into more gunfights."



52 Comments so far
Show AllBush is responsible for this.
Of course he is, but now is now and following Bushs' path into Afghanistan is inexcusable.
Bush is responsible for botching the job in Afghanistan.
"following Bush's path into Afghanistan is inexcusable."
Wrong. Obama is presenting a new strategy for success. He is not "following Bush's path".
Perhaps you might detail this new strategy. I believe it involves much shooting and other stuff bad for kids.
"Obama is presenting a new straegy for success"???? Sending in 17000 more troops (and maybe more) is not a strategy for success -- at least not in the eyes of everyday, common, decent people, (for the privaledged minority of capitalist junkies of which Obama represents, sure it is to be considered "success").
I am certain you are familiar with the Joe Hope style of political discourse; mindless, and almost mind numbing empty one liners followed by running away.
Is he? Who gave him the power to invade? Who kept funding his wars? Democrats could've filibustered. They did nothing, they supported Bush for 8 years and they're also to blame.
For 60 days now Democrats have had absolute power. They could've withdrawn from both Iraq and Afghanistan in 2 weeks, but what have they done? NOTHING. Stop blaming Bush, he's just another criminal among many Democratic co-conspirators, accomplices, accessories, aiders, and abettors.
No, this is Vietnam - all over again.
The stupid analysis, the "hearts and minds" rhetoric - it all shows that profits are still to be had from continued senseless militarism in Afghanistan-Pakistan.
Even the Predator drone attacks sound like a curtailed version the Vietnam-era Phoenix program of targeting the Viet Cong.
Once again, the objective, "preventing the Af-Pak region from becoming a launching ground for jihadi attacks against the West," makes no sense. They can't reach the United States from there. It only makes sense if the United States wants to build bases and oil pipelines in the region, which they shouldn't do.
-TIA
TIA- check this out....
"Current issues"
"The oil in the Caspian basin is estimated to be worth over US $12 trillion. The sudden collapse of the USSR and subsequent opening of the region has led to an intense investment and development scramble by international oil companies. In 1998 Dick Cheney commented that "I can't think of a time when we've had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian."[21]
A key problem to further development in the region is the status of the Caspian Sea and the establishment of the water boundaries among the five littoral states (see below). The current disputes along Azerbaijan's maritime borders with Turkmenistan and Iran could potentially affect future development plans.
Much controversy currently exists over the proposed Trans-Caspian oil and gas pipelines. These projects would allow western markets easier access to Kazakh oil, and potentially Uzbek and Turkmen gas as well. The United States has given its support for the pipelines. Russia officially opposes the project on environmental grounds. Analysts note that the pipelines would bypass Russia completely, thereby denying the country valuable transit fees, as well as destroying its current monopoly on westward-bound hydrocarbon exports from the region. [22] Recently both Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan have expressed their support for the Trans-Caspian Pipeline.[23]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_region
Yep, FD. The Bushies had a bunch of oilmen in the cabinet. And they were fighting the cold war again. Not a good mix.
Obama's continuity with this policy may stem from the U.S. obsession with building bases near oil supplies, as described by Chalmers Johnson in his excellent book, "The Sorrows of Empire."
-TIA
While agreeing w/most of what you say, I will remind you that when fighting a war there is a huge propaganda effort made to dehumanize the "enemy." How else do you get young people to just go out and start murdering people? One of the tools is racism. In Vietnam, the racist terms used were not only "gooks" but "vietcong." "Vietcong" was a racist term which was a reference to the South Vietnamese Liberation Front. This racist term was invented by the murderous gangsters in Washington who ran the whole operation. Be careful of how you choose your terms.
Hi, davethered.
I just read a book chapter that described the origin of the "Viet Cong" term as U.S. government slang for "Vietnamese Communist." I'm not sure what you think it means.
It's the U.S. government's term, not mine.
The United States government made up a whole lot of things, such as the very existence of a South Vietnam, which didn't exist as a political boundary. In fact, the whole country was united in kicking out the various foreign invaders, which had included China, the French, Japan and finally the United States.
The U.S. mass killings were all "justified" as killing communists. Mostly, U.S. troops killed and helped kill the so-called South Vietnamese as they looked for the Viet Cong. Makes no sense, but those terms describe military thinking, which also included nonsense like "the domino theory."
I agree that Viet Cong (or vietcong) is a made up term, but it's fairly common to use that term when referring to U.S. objectives in that country.
-TIA
Afghan Caspian Smack Down 2009! Sign up now at your local recruiting station!
Your country needs YOilU!
Is there strategy? Or is it, "I can't leave or they'll blame it on the Democrats".
The country seems mired in shit and we can't move an inch in any direction. Jefferson was right: every 20 years the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots.
leave and leave now. let someone else fight this crusade.
You really don't care about the people of Afghanistan, do you?
http://www.afghan-web.com/woman/
I think the neocons only care about the people of Afghanistan (as opposed to the people of Darfur) because the neocons want to kill bad human beings. It used to be that the bad human beings were sitting on our oil. Now there's something about their Bible (which is actually mostly our Bible, same characters and miracles including a lot on Jesus) that makes them resident evil, except the baddies are living next to these ordinary people of Afghanistan who when you get to know them are just plain folks. So the U.S. cuts a deal with the local Afghani heroin warlords to enslave the Afghani people into growing more heroin so some westerner kids can shoot up and go to jail for life, and we have the nerve to call this "caring about the Afghani people".
Can you seriously believe that American troops in Afghanistan is a way of showing that we care for the Afghan people? This is killing them to save them redux. Insane. Immoral. Nonsensical.
Is turning the country over to the Taliban what you'd like to see? What happens after the next 911?
You should ask Bush Sr. who was meeting Bin Laden's brother that day. Or his son, who flew out Bin Laden's family on a private jet just a few days later. Or Obama, who's protecting them both from investigations and prosecutions.
You see Red Rick? This is exactly what I mean.
What is it that you mean? When you fail to state it how can I understand it? The facts that cape_fear posted are indeed factual. Of course bin Laden has ,I believe, seventeen brothers, and from one of the richest families in Saudi Arabia, so they do get around and in rarified circles.
Obama is ,indeed, protecting bin Laden, or at least his interests, by pursuing the absolutely wrong strategies. Bush did indeed protect him physically when the Tenth Mountain regiment had him cornered in Tora Bora and they were ordered to break off.
I would love to see you debate with honesty, integrity and intellect. Just once Joe, just one damn time.
Rick, all you ever do is insult me and ignore my responses. You have no interest in an honest debate. If I ask you how you would have responded to 911 other than invading Afghanistan, you resort to arguing strange conspiracy theories about how Bush or Israel caused 911. If you were willing to behave rationally then we could have a rational debate, but how can I debate your delusions?
You are confusing me with some other posters here Joe. I have never, not once descended into the conspiracy spiral regarding 9/11. In fact I have argued strenuously with those folks myself. I defy you to find and paste any such as you charge.
I always debate with honesty, I provide links on most occasions to back up my points, and, unlike you, I stick around. You, on the other hand, generally post drivel unworthy of a high school cheerleader (gobama?) and conflate that with serious debate. That is what I insult and rightly so. People do not come here to read childish pap, nor does that crap do your positions any merit.
One of us is indeed deluded,Joe.....and I am sorry for you.
So you agree that Bush and Israel had nothing to do with 911? In that case, I do apologize, I must be confusing you with someone else.
But if that is the case, why are you so opposed to our mission in Afghanistan? As I've pointed out, if we leave, we are in even worse shape than we were before 911. Don't you see stabilizing Afghanistan, as well as denying the Taliban or al Qaeda safe haven there, to be a worthwhile goal? If we withdraw all our troops from Afghanistan and the Taliban seizes power, what actions would you have the US take to prevent another 911, as well as the brutal oppression of the Afghan people?
I would love to see a stabilized Afghanistan, absolutely. But invading and occupying are two very destabilizing forces. We play directly into the hands of the Taliban and AlQaeda by doing that. They will melt away into some of the wildest country on earth and we will increasingly make enemies of even those who oppose Taliban rule, just as we have been doing all along.
You just gotta spend more time reading and thinking,Joseph, a whole lot more time.
"I would love to see a stabilized Afghanistan, absolutely."
Okay, good. But you've made it clear you don't want US forces doing that task. So how would you accomplish that goal? At least we can agree that a stable Afghanistan is a good thing. If we left, don't you think the Taliban would return to power and rule as they did in the past, though force and intimidation?
It's one thing to disagree with me, as you are welcome to do, but I don't see you offering any alternatives to Obama's plan? Do you see any role for US troops in Afghanistan or do want the all "OUT NOW"?
The more troops we send into Afghanistan the greater influence the Taliban gains. This is proven fact. I woud urge you to do more reading on this subject, give the new facts serious thought and draw different conclusions.
joehope, all Red Rick, who used to post as 'ardee,' EVER does is insult people. You are one of many....It is his essence. He insults me on this thread too.
"we see things as we are, not as they are"
ardee used to lpost this endlessly, you will appreciate the irony of saying this ad infinitum as one constantly sees ugliness, is insulting and ugly...ironic and pathetic.
Joe.
Your every post condemns you in ways noone else could possibly achieve. Thanks for the constant exposure of your worthlessness.
joehope you're disingenuous, as usual, you think the US is in Afghanistan to protect the Afghani women? The US couldn't care less if all women and children there dropped dead tomorrow, less ammunition needed. The only concern is the oil pipeline, the opium and the prospect of more military bases.
It's a simple fact that if the Taliban return to power, the lives of all Afghans (men, women and children) are going to get worse, and we'll face the same threat of terrorism that we did before 911.
These "facts" are the ones you saw on CNN or FOX News, the lives of Afghans (men, women and children) couldn't get any worse right now with the American invaders refusing to leave. Don't give me this humanitarian CRAP that has nothing to do with the real reason we're there.
As for the phony War on Terror, it was created to keep sheep like you terrified and in check. It's working so far.
Are you actually saying that the Afghan people had nothing to complain about under the Taliban?
You are simply being contrary.
You can't possibly support the Taliban, can you?
The government in Afghanistan is corrupt. The government in Pakistan is corrupt.
We call them allies, & murder to defend them, pouring our precious blood and treasure into these places. We continue to create the hatred that provides the motives for people to want to kill Americans.
Obama's escalating Bush's wars, period. That's the "change" he meant, more troops. Millions were raised and spent to defeat Hillary because she had voted for Bush's war. That was a billion dollars between the two campaigns, all for nothing. Then he selects her for Secretary of State. How f*cked up is that? All his attacks during the campaign meant nothing.
Then he keeps BUSH'S SECRETARY OF DEFENSE! Are you following me? You Obama supporters should be ashamed of yourselves for supporting this fraud.
Lets start with causes and effects
What are the root causes of Arab anger towards the west?
How long has this anger been festering ?
What were the tipping point(or points) that caused it to explode into excessive violence ?
In order to answer these Questions, an awareness of History and Geography of the region is a must
For Americans
One must under stand the Average Joe six pack is a knuckle dragger and cannot answer these questions while he makes up 60% of the American population.
Joe's solution to ever threat real or preserved is to shoot it, lock it up, or bomb it.
30 % is arrogant and therefore will not take time out to do an honest analytical analysis
10% knows the answers but it satisfies their financial interest to keep the pot boiling.
Answer lets nuke those terrorist rag-head bastards and get it over with and bring the boys home, to the land of the brave and the free
I was at Ground Zero on 9/11. At the time I favored going into Afghanistan. THat was the country that attacked us. Instead, Bush lost interest ig getting bin Laden and he lied his way into Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11. Our time to act in Afghanistan was in 2001, not eight years later. Let's get out.
Your war mongering makes no sense.
You are far from helpful and, while you accuse others of "dragging knuckles" I find the suggestion to use nuclear weapons to be the ultimate in stupidity. But thanks for playing.
Joe, I know this is simplified, but it is true, so save your fingers.
We can be certain that, with General Betraeus involved, nothing will go right, except for the MIC and the Carlyle Group, etc., ad infinitum.
Nobody in power can get it through their heads. The Afghan People do not want foreigners occupying their land. They threw out Alexander, the British, the Russians, and now us. They are very good at it, and they will band together disparate forces of differing opinions, allegiances and interests to form a common front to get rid of the foreigners. Then they will resume their squabbles.
When the Russians came in, they were first trying to bring in teachers, engineers and doctors and they were well received. We (CIA) raised forces to get the Russians out, and when they fought back, the war was on. We trained bin Laden very well and gave him advanced weapons. Eventually, the nearly bankrupted Russians left the country. WIth that, for a time, our interest in the region waned and we ignored the Afghans. No aid, no teachers, engineers, etc. Then, we rediscovered Afghanistan shortly after 911, when the Taliban offered to turn bin Laden over to an international Muslim court for trial. That was ignored and we began to bomb. The Afghans began to fight back.
When Bush got bored, he turned his attention to Iraq, so we just kept a "coalition" force holding Kabul for Karzai, our Quisling. We had a token number of teachers and engineers, who did god work until it got too dangerous.
The other day, I listened to a discussion with some Afghans of several stripes. The general feeling amongst all of them was, "We don't want your schools, your bridges, your hospitals, we want you out of our country and out of our lives."
Vietnam redux.
I was about to say something quite similar.
We really aren't learning from history.
One of the generals in the article noted how many of the people they hired during the CIA proxy war maintained double loyalties. After Afghanistan no longer mattered for the USA, the warlords could (and were) bought over to any other cause.
Sure, we could attempt this again, but why should we waste public money knowing the same result will recur once the funding dries up? Don't we have domestic problems to fix?
That, and why should we insist on trusting warlords and mercenaries? The article mentioned brief sketches about focusing resources on augmenting the government in Kabul, yet the military plans and the focus of the aritcle is on the border region, even though long-term security involves real and accountable democracy in Pakistan and Afghanistan (not puppet governments or ones led by the military). The US could make better use of its resources in trying to end corruption in Kabul or at home.
Obama reached out to the Taliban, said he would negotiate w/ moderate elements within the group. Now, Mullah Omar has reached back, said he would like to see a Peace achieved in Afghanistan. Mullah Omar, responding to Obama's overtures, has sent representatives to Saudi Arabia to discuss Peace.
Obama stopped the Republican War Juggernaut, w/o his election we'd see McCain ramping up war on three fronts, Russia first,
Mullah Omar, Taliban Representatives in Saudi Arabia reaching back,
AFTER Obama reached out.
Simple to me, he done good.
Right The Heck On! Joe.
Interestingly enough only the first sentence in your rant above is accurate:
http://www.rferl.org/Content/Taliban_Say_Obamas_Call_On_Moderates_Illogical/1507149.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/09/obama-taliban-talks
http://news.ie.msn.com/world/article.aspx?cp-documentid=14945796
Can you find one single article, anywhere, to prove your conjecture that Omar has agreed to talks? If so post it. I tried and failed to find anything at all to verify your apparently made up line. The links above, however, all show exactly the opposite.
Red Rick, 'ardee' King of Personal Insults-
The first words I ever heard out of you that rang true, "I tried and failed," ardee, that is sure as heck correct in so very, very many ways.
Your ability to research simple date is sorry, do I see you throwing the weight of The Guardian and MSN behind your depthless ignorance?
Listen insulter, I'm gonna wipe you off the bottom of my shoes one more time like this...ready?
google "Mullalh Omar Saudi Arabia Peace" and every simple fact I stated is documented instantly. I learned what I said at antiwar.com yesterday, ya see, I spend hours reading good news b4 I indulge w/ CD threads, unlike you obviously.
Google what I told you to and quit insulting people BY THE SCORE ON COMMON DREAMS.
Got it? Quit insulting people-the sense fo smell is particulate, keep your S*** out of CD reader's nostrils.
Joe. Facts Always. Facts. Google what I told you to ardee and quit attacking everyone who you don't agree with. You Got That?
Please perform an anatomically impossible act upon yourself. You act like some stupidly drugged out child, why insult yourself post after post after post?
For everyone not this worthless pile of excrement:
I googled the link as DS ( dog shit)requested. Exactly as he requested in fact,Mullah Omar Saudi Peace. First link:
http://in.reuters.com/article/southAsiaNews/idINIndia-38528220090316
Taliban says no peace talks with leader Mullah Omar
Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:54pm IST Email | Print | Share| Single Page[-] Text [+]
By Jonathon Burch
KABUL (Reuters) - The Taliban rejected reports on Monday its leader Mullah Omar was willing to hold peace talks aimed at ending the war in Afghanistan, saying it would continue attacks until all foreign forces withdrew from the country.
"If you wait for 3,000 years, our position is that the Taliban will not enter into any kind of talks in the presence of foreign forces in Afghanistan," Taliban spokesman Qari Yousuf Ahmadi told the Pakistan-based AIP news agency on Monday.
More than seven years after U.S.-led and Afghan forces removed the Taliban from power, violence in Afghanistan is at its highest levels with Taliban-led insurgents launching increased attacks on foreign and Afghan forces.
Ahmadi's comments came a day after Britain's Sunday Times newspaper reported Omar, the leader of the hardline Islamists, had given his approval for and had sent representatives to attend Saudi-sponsored peace talks.
Omar had given a "green light" for talks to go ahead, the Times quoted a former friend of al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, Abdullah Anas, as saying. But Taliban spokesman Ahmadi rejected the claims.
"These reports are baseless. Our position remains unchanged. We will conduct jihad and continue resistance as long as foreign forces are present in Afghanistan," Ahmadi told AIP.
There are some 70,000 foreign troops, including 38,000 U.S. soldiers, stationed in Afghanistan. The United States is due to send 17,000 more troops to tackle a strengthening insurgency mainly in the south and east of the country.
Since the weekend, nine foreign soldiers have been killed in a series of Taliban raids, the deadliest week for foreign forces in recent months. Continued...
Hi Red Rick-ardee, yes, What I read at antiwar.com was reported in Britain's Sunday Times as well-as you point out. Thank You.
"We see things not as they are, but as we are" Anais Nin, French Writer.
ardee, for the depths of irony I point out you ended your endless personao attacks on CD'rs with that beautiful quote until, I'm guessing, Common Dreams threw you off the web-site.
DIG the irony, you spewing venom and correctly pointing out that our tongues, tied to our hearts, our eyes, windows to our soul, see in, not out..so true...and for you a death sentence, the pain you project is palpable.
It is a Beautiful Day. Joe.
My mistake was engaging you in conversation, breaking my own rule to ignore your worthless self. You post lies, swear it is truth and , when shown the lie of your position,break into angry denials and accusations. Do you not see what a dimwit you make of yourself?
The fact remains that the Taliban is not going to engage in peace talks with the USA, never was and probably never will.
The further fact remains that I am once again going to ignore your childish bullshit. Grow the hell up fool.
Soldiers of fortune - If we can hire an army of Afghans then we don't need as many US troops. What would it take? Hiring soldiers was part of the Iraq game plan. We should hurry and spend our money while it still has some value. Maybe we should also just buy up all the opium and set up opium dens in the US to keep the unemployed people here off the streets.