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Dems Sign on to GOP Bill Preventing Funds for Civilian Guantanamo Trials
Two Democrats signed on to a Republican bill that would prevent any funds from being spent on prosecuting Guantánamo Bay suspects in U.S. federal court.
Reps. Jason Altmire (D-Pa.) and Mike McMahon (D-N.Y.) last week joined Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.) and 16 other Republicans in sponsoring the legislation, which would deny the Justice Department any funds for trying Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other suspected terrorists in federal civilian court.
In the weeks since GOP Sen. Scott Brown's historic election in Massachusetts, King said he believes support in the Democratic Caucus for President Barack Obama's detainee policies has eroded and predicted the measure would pass if Democratic leaders allow a floor vote on it.
"I have no doubt that if it comes to a vote on the House floor, it will pass," King said. "You cannot underestimate that impact of the election in Massachusetts, especially when so much of his [Brown's] messaging dealt with terrorism.
"A number of Democratic members and senators have come up to me and have thanked me for leading on this," he added.
Obama has not ruled out putting Mohammed on trial in New York City, but said Sunday that he is taking into account objections of the city's mayor and police commissioner.
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg originally supported the plan, but balked when costs for security reached an estimated $1 billion. He has since said holding the trials elsewhere, such as a military base, would be more feasible. The city's police commissioner, Ray Kelly, has said he was never briefed by the Justice Department about its plans to possibly hold the trials in lower Manhattan.
On Monday, Bloomberg said he wants assurance from the Obama administration that it will help pay for the additional security the city would need to provide for the trials to be held there.
Late last week, King and Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.), the ranking member on the subcommittee that funds the Justice Department, started circulating a letter addressed to Attorney General Eric Holder for House colleagues to sign. King's spokesman would not say exactly how many Democrats have signed on yet because the lawmaker plans to continue gathering signatures at the beginning of this week.
"In light of the growing opposition from New York's local and state leaders, Attorney General Holder is now reportedly venue shopping for a new location," King and Frank wrote. "This strategy is no less dangerous, costly or reckless than his decision to hold the trial in New York City."
Altmire and McMahon, two centrist Democrats, join Brooklyn's Rep. Nydia Velázquez (D) in opposing the administration's decision to hold Mohammed's trial in Manhattan. Late last year, Velázquez wrote Holder to say the trial would harm businesses, and, more recently, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, agreed with Bloomberg that Mohammed should not be tried in New York. New York's Democratic senators, Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand, have said they are receptive to alternative sites.
"From the Justice Department's first announcement about the KSM trial in November, I have stated that I thought the best course of action was to try these animals in a military tribunal," McMahon said in a statement. "If the administration is determined to have a civil trial, changing the venue of these trials is the only thing to do."
McMahon said he preferred the administration try the Sept. 11 terrorist suspects in military commissions at Guantánamo Bay and said he would oppose any use of taxpayer dollars to transport detainees to the U.S. for civil trials.
Altmire's office did not provide an explanation for his support by press time.
House Armed Services Committee Chairman Ike Skelton (D-Mo.) in late November sent a letter to Holder demanding that he appear before the committee to explain his decision to try Mohammed and four co-conspirators in federal court. He also wrote a letter to Holder and Defense Secretary Robert Gates suggesting that military tribunals would be a more appropriate venue to try accused terrorists. Skelton's opposition to the administration's decision about Mohammed and other detainee policies could help sway a large swath of Democrats, especially considering his senior position on a committee whose membership contains several centrist Democrats.
Other politically vulnerable Democrats would not say whether they support or oppose King's measure, another sign that support for the president's detainee plans is slipping in the House.
"I support the fastest way to bring these terrorists to justice," said two-term Rep. Patrick Murphy (D-Pa.), who declined to say whether he would vote for or against King's bill.
Rep. Dennis Cardoza, a Democrat from an agricultural district in California, also would not indicate whether he would support or oppose King's bill.
"I would have to see the exact language," he said in a brief interview.



9 Comments so far
Show AllI am sure I am oversimplifying this situation, But in a civil trial, a basic principle is that a person be judged by a jury of his peers. How could such a jury be constructed for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?
Not simplistic where I come from. Cases have been brought against the Crown for not providing peers on juries when visible minorities are on trial; particularly aboriginal people. Without success I might add.
That said, the principle of a civil trial is paramount - although what ever principles are involved is clearly out of style in our advanced age.
-"Two Democrats signed on to a Republican bill that would prevent any funds from being spent on prosecuting Guantánamo Bay suspects in U.S. federal court."
The US just gets funnier and funnier. No wonder they don't blink at torture, here they are openly threatening to interfere with the functioning of what is the closest thing to a normal justice system the US has, the federal court.
Let's get back to the headline: "civilian guantanamo trials"
After years of solitary confinement, torture and the inmate describing himself as the napoleon of every bombing plot that has or hasn't occured in the last ten years...
The Americans are STILL making it worse by openly politicizing the scales of justice.
As if I need to say it, in a real court system, such an inmate, against whom the government itself says it has no evidence (are the ravings of someone held in solitary, and tortured, evidence in the US?)
such a person (whether they had been involved in something or not) would be immediately released and the criminals that deprived him of his liberty and tortured him, making death threats in the process (all of which there is ample evidence of), would be the ones behind bars.
But of course, constitutional scholar extraordinaire Obama knows all this.
The United States of Lawlessness gets more out of control every day.
Suspects are confined indefintely, tortured, then denied trials.
Meanwhile, Bush, Cheney and all the other war criminals roam free, making millions of dollars, teaching law courses (!) and being federal judges.
And the new war criminal president expands our illegal wars and murders even more civilians while continuing most of the anti-constitutional policies of his criminal predecessor.
Right on
F***KING COWARDS Representatives Altmire and McMahon. The others we already knew about they are Republicans after all!
And then it will be US...you and me.
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The implications of this deal are very troubling. The NSA—a component of the Department of Defense—is an intelligence collection agency with few effective checks against abuse and no public oversight of its activities. In the last decade, the NSA’s vast dragnet of suspicionless surveillance has targeted everyday Americans, in violation of the law and the Constitution."
"I would have to see the exact language," he said in a brief interview."
But seeing isn't reading.
You must read it to understand it.
But, of course, they have been told not to do that.
See no evil, hear no evil.
Read no evil.
That is evil.
Maybe someday we'll evolve beyond this reactionary bullshit to the point that we act in accordance with the Constitution. I knew the framers were ahead of their time but this is ridiculous.