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Afghan Panel Says U.S. Strike Killed 8 Schoolboys
KABUL, Afghanistan -- An Afghan presidential delegation looking into reports that up to 10 civilians were accidentally killed by U.S. troops earlier this week said today that it had so far confirmed at least eight deaths -- all schoolboys ages 12 to 17.
Afghans chant anti American slogans in Kabul, Afghanistan, Wednesday, Dec. 30, 2009, during a protest against the recent killings of 10 civilians allegedly by US forces in Kunar province. The head of a presidential delegation investigating the deaths the 10 people in eastern Afghanistan concluded Wednesday that civilians, including schoolchildren, were killed in an attack involving US troops, disputing US reports that the dead were insurgents.
(AP Photo/Musadeq Sadeq) That contradicts initial findings by the NATO force regarding Sunday's strike in Kunar, a remote northeastern province. Western military officials earlier reported nine killed, all adult males and all insurgents, and said today that the incident remains under investigation.
Civilian deaths and injuries are one of the most contentious issues between foreign forces and the government of President Hamid Karzai. Asadullah Wafa, who heads the investigative panel that traveled to Kunar on the president's orders, reported that the boys' bodies were found in a single village home in Kunar's Narang district, and that all were members of the same extended family. He indicated there were other remains found in the house that had not yet been identified.
Wafa suggested that an informant had provided misleading information to Western forces, triggering the strike. There have been past instances of villagers trying to settle scores with rival clans or tribes by giving foreign troops false accounts of insurgent activity.
Karzai continues to be a harsh critic of foreign forces' accidental killings of civilians, although the number of such deaths has fallen sharply since July, when U.S. Army Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the commander of Western forces in Afghanistan, issued new rules of engagement meant to protect civilian lives.
Insurgents are believed responsible for about 70% of civilian deaths this year, but in the recent past, the proportion of such deaths caused by Western troops -- as opposed to those blamed on Taliban fighters -- has been considerably higher than now. More than 2,000 civilians have died in fighting this year, according to United Nations figures -- the highest number since the start of the war in 2001.
Western and Afghan officials appearing at a joint news conference in Kabul offered contradictory accounts of the Sunday raid that led to the deaths.
NATO, which had originally denied carrying out operations in the area at the time of the deaths, now says a joint Afghan-Western force carried out the strike. But a spokesman for Afghanistan's Defense Ministry, Gen. Mohammed Azimi, told reporters today that only U.S. special forces had been involved.
Special forces, which generally operate under a separate command structure, have been responsible for a disproportionate share of civilian casualties in the course of the conflict. Many Afghans fear that civilian casualties will rise in the coming year, in part due to the expected arrival of about 37,000 more foreign troops, 30,000 of them American.
Col. Wayne Shanks, a spokesman for NATO's International Security Assistance Force, said Western forces do all they can to safeguard civilians, while Taliban fighters kill indiscriminately, especially with roadside bombs.
"Our enemy, the insurgents, have very little regard for the Afghan people," he said.
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Show All"Our enemy, the insurgents, have very little regard for the Afghan people," Col. Shanks.
cough, cough
Not like the button pushers sitting on a bank of computers half a world away.
Sad, sick, evil.
That comment from the aptly named Shanks got me, too.
From the article: Wafa suggested that an informant had provided misleading information to Western forces, triggering the strike.
So it was in Iraq as well. This is the updated version of carpet bombing. In the Vietnam War we dropped lots of big bombs hoping they would wipe out the bad guys. The killed a lot of people, but they did not defeat the enemy. In some ways they made it stronger. Now it is drones. Drones are more targeted, but the intelligence of the targeting is something subject to "misleading information." We kill fewer civilians at a time, but have the same loss of "hearts and minds." The "enemy" will survive this new form of carpet bombing as well as the last. The better question to ask is "will we?" The war on terror is destroying us.
MEMO to Colonel SHANKS ("Our enemy, the insurgents, have very little regard for the Afghan people,") Col. Shanks.--
the "insurgents" ARE THE AFGHAN PEOPLE.
you HAVE made the AFGHAN PEOPLE your Enemies because of YOUR IMPERIAL BOOTS in afghanistan. PERIOD!
as an Afghan Farmer said - in an article months ago :
"THE AMERICANS THINK WE ARE STUPID....
BUT WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT HERE TO HELP US..
THEY ARE HERE ONLY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO USE US AND OUR LAND...".
"Yes We Can!"
At the moment I picture TV images of Jesse Jackson weeping like a fool at Obama's election. This a man who worked with King.
I'm thinking of all the fake "liberals" celebrating in the streets when this Wall Street clown-pet was elected, as if they accomplished something.
I'm thinking of every insult I've received over the years from loyal Dems, who were incensed that I'd work for the Greens or Nader. Oh the hate for us!
I'm looking over at yesterday's article about the CIA and presidents and there's little over there other than faux-leftie kooks who come up with unsupportable, elaborate excuses for warmongerers like JFK and Obama.
And I'm thinking we'd all have been better focused and better off if McCain won.
Yeah, I wish I had a nickel for everytime I heard this: " you are wasting your vote"; do you want McCain Palin to win". Well fellow third party supporters we may not hear this much anymore now that a lot of dems see the Obama con.
And the propaganda battle rages on.
Yes, bombing kills innocents and is counter-productive because it enrages the people you're supposed to be 'saving'. No question about it. But it defies reason to believe that every bombing mission kills school children. The propaganda flacks on one side say we killed only top Al-Qaeda agents and the propaganda flacks on the other side say innocent civilians and children were killed. Somewhere between the two lies the truth.
Eight school boys, ages 12 to 17, were killed.
In the words of Dickhead Cheney, "So"?
Come on, people! Anyone with 'intelligence' should assume that these boys were 'most likely' going to a madrassa shool, which teach Wahhabism, a rigid form of Islam (and are funded largely by our ally - the Saudis - but, once again, 'So'?)
So their deaths were in line with the O-Bush-ama strategy of 'pre-emptive' killing.
S0?
Actually I would assume they were going to a normal school since Wahhabism has few adherents in Afghanistan and the vast majority of madrassa are in Pakistan.
The USA has been getting false intell for eight years and bombing wedddings and funerals, if the USA was anything but greedy bloodthirsty fools they would not be killing so many innocents
Well, if revenge is sweet payback, it was just officially reported that eight more adult amerikans have been killed in Afghanistan by a suicide bomber.
How far is the North Atlantic from Afghanistan?
Not sure if you want a reply and I don't know anyway but its certainly further than the Indian Ocean.
Switch your registration to third party January 13.
Sieze your power.
All Power to All People !!!!!!!
IowaIrish, you sound like the Israelis, who kill Palestinian children, regarding them as vermin. Sound familiar?
I was struck by the series of lies, beginning with "We didn't do it" which appears to be the reflexive reaction to our killing of civilians. Also sounds like the Israelis. As with the Israelis, being that we're in THEIR country, we lose soldiers, they lose children. At least the Israelis aren't pretending to "help" them.
As for being better off with McCain, "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran". And at least Obama is throwing us some crumbs. Not much, but more than McCain would have. That may not be a plus, helping to keep people sedated.
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
Others may say, be careful whom one follows,
If the wrong leader,one may end up with communism, Fasism or Socialism, as what happened when the Russians rebled against the USSR, or the Germans who followed Hitler.
More abysmal US mirrorspeak!
"And a government of the sociopaths, by the sociopaths, for the sociopaths, shall make sure we all perish from the earth."
War is terrorism with a big budget; now war criminal obomber has more BLOOD $ - given by a spineless congress- and the slaughter continues....
tioche, Mexico
Dear President OBOMBA
We are pretty good at inflicting collateral damage on others
while you enjoy the Trade Winds in Hawaii. Don't you understand that we are also subject to collateral damage and that it is going to cause lots of pain, suffering and death for us. Most of this will be visited upon innocent American citizens while you, no doubt, will cower in the White House
obomba shelter and spent your time reading a copy of My Pet Bankster.
Sit down.
Walk away.
Slow down.
Tune out.
Save it.
Re-use it.
Withdraw from it.
Cancel your membership.
Re-register Green.
By the way according to other media outlets.
This was not an Airstrike.
This was not a firefight.
The victims were dragged out of their bed in the middle of the night and executed.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6971638.ece
No trials.
>>A local elder, Jan Mohammed, said that three boys were killed in one room and five were handcuffed before they were shot. “I saw their school books covered in blood,” he said.
Cold blooded murder.
"Our enemy, the insurgents, have very little regard for the Afghan people,"
Shanks said.
sicker by the minute
King sez: "There have been past instances of villagers trying to settle scores with rival clans or tribes by giving foreign troops false accounts of insurgent activity."
***
I wish to report suspicious insurgent activity on K Street.
I understand that these school boys were taken out and shot.
No Child was Left Behind! We've gone from "You Lie" to My Lai.
I think that the GIs that did this and their CO's, General McMayhem and above,
are the ones who should be taken out and shot without benefit of clergy.
You understand from who?
>>A local elder, Jan Mohammed, said that three boys were killed in one room and five were handcuffed before they were shot. “I saw their school books covered in blood,” he said.
>>The delegation concluded that a unit of international forces descended from a plane Sunday night into Ghazi Khan village in Narang district of the eastern province of Kunar and took ten people from three homes, eight of them school students in grades six, nine and ten, one of them a guest, the rest from the same family, and shot them dead,” a statement on President Karzai’s website said.
Yup, that is a reliable source all right. An unnamed village elder says that children were handcuffed and shot.
So, the assumption is a US military unit murdered some children, just because, or just to teach someone a lesson.
Left their handcuffs behind even.
The logic is so unfailing as to defy
Logic
You are such a phony and an obvious shill for the rest of the Pentagoons.
One day you claim that no one can have an opinion on Afghanistan unless they were/are there, then the next claim that a person claiming to be a witness to crime is just lying.
Why should I trust YOUR word? Why is your word more reliable then a Village Elder?He was there YOU were not.
Your "Spokesmen" for the US Military have given us lie after lie in the past years and of a sudden THEY are reliable in THIS case?
Your Government lied about WMDS in Iraq. They lied about Jessica Lynch. They lied about Pat Tillman. Need i detail all the "sources" cited by your Governmnet to justify an invasion in Iraq? SADDAM Hussein was telling the truth and YOUR Government was Lying.
They claimed early in the Afghani invasion after an airstrike killed 29 civilians that No Us Planes were in the area and it likely "Bullets falling back to earth" that killed the 29. When reporters on the scene found the US serial numbers on the residue of muntions found, they then admitted a mistake and an air strike had been made and they would investigate.
They claimed in one mass killing that all those killed were insurgents (130+ by memory). Ollie North even made a show of visiting the site to prove no Civilians killed, this while the Aghani claimed the majority killed were Civilians.
Once its lies started to fall apart the US Military "Investigated again" then admitted Civilians killed.
Your military through "anonymous sources" claimed in another mass killing of Civilians that Taliban insurgents at went through the village throwing Grenades into homes so the deaths would be blamed on The Americans.
They later admitted this false when reporters on the ground (Including officials of the Afghani Government) demionstrated this was false.
Your Pentagon indicated it felt it was losing the "Propoganda war" and announced inititatives to have US soldiers psot on various Blogs to give a "Positive Spin" to the US prescence there. This is part of the public domain. It seems you are hard at work!
You are a phony. You have claimed that the accusations that the USAF bombed wedding parties as false and baseless. You have claimed that the claims the US Builds and expands Military bases in Iraq and Afghanistan is false and baseless. You have claimed that the charges made of the US training and arming terrorists is false and baseless. You have claimed that the claims the US expanded prisons at bagram as false and baseless. You have claimed the accusation that the US Government published and provided Fundamentalist textbooks to the Mujahadeen and Madrassas as false and baseless.
When I cited articles from sources like the Washington Poast, The USA Today, The BBC, the Christian Science monitor amongst dozens of others...
You indicated these sites were "not natural."
You are a Pentagoon. You have assigned yourself the mission of PR for the US Military to SELL people on your wars. Why should anyone trust YOUR word.?
Why would I do such a thing? Given the record of the Official Government Sources speaking on the behalf of the US MIlitary and its Governmnet over the past 8 years, the word of these "Village elders" has been a bit more reliable.
You made the bed. now LIE in it.
You are amusing in a way GW
of the souses you named the only one that is neutral is the Christin Science Monitor.
Your other question, why you should trust me? well you shouldn't and I was not there this time, I go there a lot.
as for the rest of your statements, well "I go there, you do not". I am enjoying a long break from both Afghanistan and Iraq but that does not mean I do not pay attention.
Here is a bit of logic based on your accusations; If the US military had done this op there would be no 'village elder' left to identify us nor would hand cuffs have been left behind.
as for this
"....You are a phony. You have claimed that the accusations that the USAF bombed wedding parties as false and baseless. You have claimed that the claims the US Builds and expands Military bases in Iraq and Afghanistan is false and baseless. You have claimed that the charges made of the US training and arming terrorists is false and baseless. You have claimed that the claims the US expanded prisons at bagram as false and baseless. You have claimed the accusation that the US Government published and provided Fundamentalist textbooks to the Mujahadeen and Madrassas as false and baseless..."
I never commented on wedding parties being bombed, I was in Iraq in 2003 and 2004 when we did bomb a wedding. I suppose you think that it was an intentional act, that we saw happy Iraqis and just could not stand the idea so you think we dropped a bomb on purpose?
I think the desert is a large place, I think I could hide all sorts of things there. I do not know if there are WMDs in Iraq or not. I know that during the Iran Iraq war Saddam gassed Kurds and Iranians.
Did he have more? I dont know
I dont think I have commented on the expansion of bases in Iraq and Afghanistan on this board. The last time I was in Bagram as I flew in to it at night I did not recognize anything, It had grown that much.
I have to the best of my knowledge I have not commented on training terrorists, but then your definition and mine are probably different. I did comment that we never have funded UBL or trained him, he did that himself and with an inheritance of 300,000,000 USD and the type of people he recruits 300,000,000 USD goes a long way.
I never commented on prisons being expanded in Bagram, that I know I have not done because they have been expanded, that is not even a secret, you can read the IRC report on the facility on Bagram.
haven't commented on 'Fundamentalist Text books either,
as for coming to this blog, I do that on my own. I found common dreams while doing a web search on food shortages in Afghanistan, Common Dreams popped up. I am not paid to do it, that would take half the enjoyment out if it.
Besides I happen to believe in the environmental issues discussed here, and hope that climate change and global warming is man made, because if the republicans are right and it is not, we are doomed.
just how of curiously do you work for some one that sends you to blogs to 'blog'?
Because here is the other thing. With all the accusations that are made here by so many, it just would not make a lot of sense to me for a huge international conspiracy to allow people to make all these statements. After all if there were a huge international conspiracy do you not think that using CARNIVORE and the other data mining software they would not track down and reeducate or eliminate people that apposed them?
GW I am no fraud, I don't lie. I might be terribly wrong some times.
A stand by my original question to you i posed a few months ago; What have you done besides blog to change the world.
>>I never commented on wedding parties being bombed, I was in Iraq in 2003 and 2004 when we did bomb a wedding. I suppose you think that it was an intentional act, that we saw happy Iraqis and just could not stand the idea so you think we dropped a bomb on purpose
Off Course the bomb was dropped on PURPOSE. It was not an accident the bomb was dropped. Someone made the decision to drop the bomb. It was not a mechanical malfunction.
As to the claim you never made such claims here is the relevant part of MY post.
>>They do not want our Corporations taking their resources.
>>they do not NGOS which in many instances are riddled with CIA agents coming in and spying on them and trying to prosleytize.
>>They do not want the "National Endowment For Democracy" funding violent groups to topple Governments.
>>***They do not want agents from the CIA paying militant groups to plant bombs in Marketplaces.
>>They do not want Corporations from the West coming in to plunder the country of resources and to leave toxic messes behind as they did in Costa Rica and Ecuador.
>>They do not want these same companies threatening Governments with Bombs if they do not sign trade agreements or the right to build pipelines across their territory.
>>They do not want the US Governmnet to publish and distribute texts that encourage violence and Jihad to their schools.
>>They do not want Soldiers kicking in their doors at night to arrest the men en masse in the name of "Liberty".
>>****They do not want froeign military bases built all over their country or see foreigners build prisons to warehouse masses of their Citizens because they dared opposed the prescence of these troops.
>>They do not want foreigners telling them that their farmers can no longer keep their own seed but must buy it from Mosanto.
>>>***They do not want their daughters raped . They do not want to see Airstikes launched against poor peoples gathering fuel. They do not want their wedding parties bombed. They do not want A130 gunships slaughtering them because they look suspicous. They do not want to have to stop at checkpoints to have photos taken by US troops. They do not want to see them having to be searched and questioned by foreign troops.
>>>They do not want to see foreign troops prop up corrupt Governments. They do not want to see their farmers put out of business because of laws forced upon them to open up their market to foreign goods. They do not want to see foreign contracters take away jobs they once had.
>>They do not want to see their electrical dams bombed by those same powers so that they no longer have electricty.
I put asteriks by the items you claimed you specifically did not comment on and AGREED happened.
This sir was YOUR response.
>>The rest of your accusations are just that, accusations with no foundation in truth.
If these "accusations" had no basis in the truth how could you then admit they were true.
MY Response.
>>As to the rest of my "accusations' . They are all TRUTHS. You can refute none of them
your REBUTTAL.
>>really?
prove to me one of them
sight a place I can go that shows one bit of truth to what you say that is not another forum like this that only states the "party line"
Prove to me ONE of them are your own words..NOT MINE.
I did. I responded.
REGARDING THE WEDDING PARTIES BOMBED < The Expansion Of Military bases and prisons amongst others.
Prove to me ONE of them?
Ok to the US building Miliatry bases in Afghanistan.
http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175157/tomgram:_nick_turse,_in_afghanistan,_the_pentagon_digs_in
http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2008-11-10-uav_N.htm
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iQsdQAuKzZl3hMgVzG60jVJVgRiQ
There are many thousands of hits.
How about expanding the prison at Bagram?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2009/0212/p01s01-usmi.html
Bombing wedding parties?
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/central/07/01/afghanistan.bombing/
http://www.asia-pacific-action.org/node/215
http://www.alternet.org/world/91457/
Now TRUST me I am just taking a few of the top hits for each> the list of hits for these too numerous to mention.
Supplying Jihadist textbooks to Pakistani schools. ? Thsi was well reported on but here are just a few hits.
http://www.alternet.org/world/91457/
http://www.ratical.com/ratville/CAH/USjihadABCs.html
http://www.theglobalist.com/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=3453
On a bit of a roll and you asked to give evidence of just ONE of my claims...up to three so here is number four..the NED funding Violent groups.
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/448
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2009-07/16/content_8434351.htm
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Haiti/US_NED__AntiLavalas_Haiti.html
http://www.iefd.org/articles/for_death_squads.php
How about NGOS as fronts for the CIA?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_organization
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/08/09/pakistan-expels-american-as-us-ngo-found-operating-as-cover-f...
http://www.organicconsumers.org/patent/iraq111704.cfm
Airstrike against people gathering fuel?
http://reports.town9.com/american-ngo-covers-blackwater
Ok ok...surely any law forbidding Iraqi farmers to keep thier own seed for replanting is over the top!!
http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/iraq_seeds.htm
http://newfarm.rodaleinstitute.org/international/gleanings/oct04/ir_patent-law.shtml
I specifically responded to the expansion of Militray bases, of The Prisons, of the Wedding parties Bombed, of the Jihadest Textbooks...
And YOU clearly RESPONDED.
>>not one of these sight is 'natural'
And now you claim you do not lie? Do you just forget everything tou might have said the day before?
you should work for Al Jazeera
you are absolutely spectacular in misquoting people
you presented your prof, simply put, you quoted places that favor a 'liberal' line
dont bother saying progressive in this case,
You are a joke. Caught in a lie with your own words cut and pasted, and now you are "misquoted".
"liberal Line" ? what the heck is a Liberal line? what is the Liberal line on "Military bases being expanded"?
Either they are or they are not.
What is the Liberal Line on a wedding party being Bombed? Either it is or it is not.
If a Bomb is dropped on a group of people then it was dropped on a group of people.
You sound like the defense attorney for a local thug. This thug set fire to a home where 4 children and a mother were killed. He was charged with 5 counts of first degree murder.
Now the lawyer argued that in truth the perp should not be charged with anything except arson because while he intended that the fire kill someone he was not trying to kill the 5 victims.
This lawyer claimed that another older male who lived in the household was the true target of the arson but was away at the time of the fire.
This is the very argument the US Military use when they acknowledge Civilian but claim them as "Collateral Damage" because bombs dropped were INTENDED to kill someone else.
The Judges disagreed and ruled the man in fact guilty of 5 counts of first degree murder. They ruled that "Any reasonable person would conclude that setting fire to a home could kill all the occupants because such a fire is INDISCRIMINATE as to who it kills. They ruled that the perp showed a callous disregard for the lives of the Innocents.
The fact is, this thug burned to death 4 children and a mother.
I happen to agree with the Judges conclusions.
Any REASONABLE person can conclude that dropping bombs would kill or injure ANYONE in the vicinity of the explosions. It is an indiscriminate use of such a weapon. Dropping one onto households because SOME suspects MIGHT be in the home shows a callous disregard for the life of innocents.
You can try your lawyer double speak and SPIN all you like but the fact remains then when those bombs are dropped on wedding parties or those drones in Pakistan fire their missiles into homes, it shows a CALLOUS disregard for the life of the people (Including women and children) in the vicinity of the explosion.
As to Al Jazeera?
Their information is more reliable then that of the US Military. By a long shot.
please,
the only thing you caught me in was not reading your response through completely.
In all honesty I just did not pay much attention to what you wrote,
you write well, I can credit you that,
You rant, you rave you jump up and down and scream murder, but really that is all you do. You don't do anything else.
I believe in what I do, and why I do.
what do you do? type.
When you get up out of your chair and do something real for some one, post that.
When caught in a lie spin spin spin.
You believe in what you do? so did the Nazis. It is WHAT you do I have a problem with, just as it is with the Nazis. You do not know what I do so you speak out of ignorance , par for the course I suppose.
A word of advice. If you wish to debate issues with me, please do not assume I will defer to you just because you served in the military. I am not impressed. Do not assume I have not researched my facts. Do not assume I can be bullied by your speaking of "Righteousness" and "Service" and "Doing something real".
I do not fall to my knees when some flag is waved or when one resorts to jingoism and appeals to nation and patriotism.
I do not judge a crime a wrong or a justice upon a persons skin color or religion.
All those phony methods of control do not work with me so give them up.
My Grandfather fought the Communists at the gates of Warsaw in 1920 at the age of 14 years old. He won one of the highest medals for valor that country could offer then.He served in WW11 as a Canadian with the details of Military service still kept as classified by our Government. I had an uncle killed at Dieppe and another on Dday. A third Uncle jumped into German occupied territory twice during that war, once prior to Dday and once into Stettin. I have uncles and relatives coming out the ying yang that served including my own sister who has been in the military for some 20 odd years.
In all my life NONE of them have ever tried to use "The Uniform" to argue the FACTS with me and none of them have ever questioned my integrity or my knowledge of events because I have not been in the Military.Nor have any of them EVER stated that THEY did something real and that I do not.
They have and had a lot more respect for the uniform then that, a lot more integrity and a lot more honour.
The last thing any of them would have wanted for me is to "Do something real" by going to war. Going to war is not a "success". It is a failure.
“Except For Ending Slavery, Fascism, Nazism and Communism, WAR has Never Solved Anything.”
utter failure going to war, of course you are right. why did I not see that before.
of course you have accused me of being both a Nazi and Fascist, so I can suppose in your eyes war is a failure.
I said you should do something more than blog and rant and rave. I said you should do something, anything, something real to change the situation.
Slavery was ended in Canada without a war.
Communism did not end by WAR.
Fascism was a direct CONSEQUENCE of war and is alive and well today in the United States Of America.
Apparently when YOU joined the Military you took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America.
Does that oath mean nothing to you?
As to accusing you of being a Nazi and Fascist pray tell where? I simply gave another example of people who "believed in what they were doing". It can apply equally to slavers, Communists, Monarchists, anarchists or rapists.
It hardly means you are any of these. Unless you have a confession to make?
Bit like a hasbarist aint he?
Happy new Year :)
will the two of you be spitting next, or just burning crosses?
the two of you sound like Neo-Nazi conspiracy theory buffs
Spit and burn crosses? Never heard of it before...something you picked up on your own no doubt? I msut say I have no experience in those arts so you have me there.
duplicate
Stop Al Qaeda FANATICISM
by quitting NATO EXPANSIONISM
Contrary to what most believe it was the US under the orders of the Bush regime who created to un-Godly mess in the Middle East, and one day will find out who really was behind 9/11. It was the Bush threat that was made, and the invasions that stirred up the supposed terrorist. It was Bush Sr. who supplied weapons, and money to build up the Taliban. They create and then destroy when no longer needed. Saddam and people like Noriaga were assets to the CIA, used as needed. Obama was bought and paid for to be used as their puppet, at the same time made to fail so another republican will take over. Our country has slowly been becomming a facist one and no one is paying attention.
" no one is paying attention"
some are, just not enough
Obama and General McMayhem are really on a roll now!
"NATO airstrikes kill eight Afghan civilians
Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:36:59 GMT (PressTV)
At least eight civilians have been killed in the latest airstrikes by NATO forces in southern Afghanistan, witnesses say.
The attacks took place in Nadali district of Helmand province on Wednesday, Afghan witnesses told Press TV on Thursday.
The airstrikes also left at least another civilian wounded.
The high number of causalities have infuriated the Afghans, who took to the streets on Wednesday to call for an end to such attacks.
The protests came after it was confirmed that foreign forces dragged ten Afghans out of their homes and killed them in the eastern province of Kunar on Saturday. Eight of the victims were schoolchildren.
The United Nations, in its latest report, said that the civilian death toll from the US-led war in Afghanistan has increased by 10 percent, with a fair share of the fatalities caused by foreign forces."
The leaders of the United States in the past 9 years, as well as the Ones in Israel, will be remembered along with the one time facist leader of Germany.
Our attack killed 8 or 10 schoolboys. Reports vary, but it looks like cold-blooded murder and not an accident.
Yesterday there was an attack in Afghanistan that killed eight US civilians, most of them CIA officers.
Which is justified:
A force of occupation killing schoolboys in their own home town?
OR
Some local residents killing well-trained and financed frequently violent operatives who have come to their country from thousands of miles away?
Stop sending our kids over there. They become part of a force whose mission has no practical or moral validity. They are stepping into a big mess. They just provide further excuse for military spending.
Joe
Ask yourself this question: If you could stop all this violence by killing just one person, would it be worth it?
Well that's the same question that the Sanhedrin asked each other in regards to Jesus--things never really change, 'cause back then the Jewish religious group decided to go with the death scheme--just like today.Will they bloody their hands? Not if they can help it in public, but sometimes,when nobody is looking.
But more importantly we need to get back on track of being the nation that we were designed to be--especially a servant for justice and peace. Most of all bringing to an end all this murder and strife. We as true Americans can never be complicit in such evil--we must break out of this mold and reshape our destiny.
Jer.31:33, 34--31- "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
MAY PEACE BE WITH YOU IN THIS NEW YEAR AND BEYOND!
" If you could stop all this violence by killing just one person, would it be worth it?". Problem is, that is almost never the actual dilemma.
Joe
Afghanistan has demanded that foreign troops responsible for the killing of 10 civilians be handed over to the custody of the government.
The demand has been made via the National Security Council chaired by President Hamid Karzai on Thursday.
The statement comes just days after the victims, including eight school-children, were dragged out of their homes in the Kunar province and shot to death over the weekend. (PressTV)
Afghan Govt Calls on NATO to Hand Over Those Responsible for Kunar Killings
NATO Changes Story, Declares Shooters Were 'Non-Military Americans'
by Jason Ditz, December 31, 2009
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The Afghan National Security Council has raised the stakes in the aftermath of this week’s alleged Kunar massacre, calling for NATO to hand over the responsible parties immediately to Afghan authorities.
NATO continues to change its story on Tuesday morning’s pre-dawn raid in the Kunar Province, which killed 10 Afghan civilians, eight of them children, and has led to massive protests against the international military effort.
Initially NATO officials insisted there were no operations going on in Kunar at all, though later they privately admitted US special forces were in the area. This story morphed into claims that it was a US military operation that killed an “IED cell” and that they had no proof of any civilian deaths.
Now, NATO says the operation was not military in nature, but rather was a “sanctioned” operation conducted by “non-military Americans” and that the children were all killed in self defense.
Whether “non-military Americans” entails contractors, like Blackwater, or CIA agents as were attacked yesterday in Khost remains to be seen. It is clear however that there is more than meets the eye to these killings, which locals insist involved the killers dragging the children out of bed and even handcuffing some of them before shooting them.
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