Made in Mass., Bomb Stirs Global Debate
WASHINGTON - The Sensor Fuzed Weapon is a marvel of military technology, says its maker, Textron Defense Systems. An advanced "cluster bomb,'' it is designed to spray 40 individual projectiles of molten copper, destroying enemy tanks across a 30-acre swath of battlefield.
But the bomb - which is made at a Textron facility in the Boston suburb of Wilmington - violates terms of a landmark international treaty limiting cluster bombs to 10 bomblets or less. The pending treaty, signed by 98 nations last year in Oslo, has been sought for decades by human rights groups, which say that cluster bombs kill indiscriminately and leave behind duds that kill or maim unsuspecting civilians.
Now Textron, with the support of the Pentagon and the State Department, is mounting a campaign to derail the cluster-bomb treaty and write a new set of rules under the United Nations that would make it easier to sell its weapon around the world.
Textron's primary argument for scrapping the treaty is that 99 percent of the bomblets released by the Sensor Fuzed Weapon will explode in combat, leaving only a tiny amount of unexploded ordinance that could be picked up by a child or hit by a farmer's plow. Textron calls this capability "clean battlefield operation.''
"It really is an extremely sophisticated weapon,'' said Mark D. Rafferty, vice president of business development for Textron Defense Systems, which employs about 1,000 people at its Wilmington plant. Rafferty stood in front of a full-scale mock-up of the bomb, a 6-foot-long cylinder with tail fins, at an arms show in Washington, D.C., last week.
"Knowing that we are in no way, shape or form contributing to [civilian suffering] is really a very satisfying place to be,'' he said.
The United States is among several major powers including Russia, China, and Israel that have refused to sign the Oslo treaty.
The US Air Force has purchased 4,600 of the new weapons, at a cost of several billion dollars. Textron has also sold them to Turkey, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates. And it is in the final stages of reaching a deal with India for 510 of the weapons at an estimated cost of $375 million.
Textron wants the international community to rewrite the treaty to allow weapons with large numbers of bomblets, if they can be shown to avoid the potential for civilian casualties from unexploded components.
The initiative has outraged many arms control advocates, however, who secured signatures from Britain, France, and 96 other countries at last year's Oslo negotiations. The treaty needs to be ratified by 30 countries to take effect; so far, 17 of them have done so.
"It's a disgraceful attempt to throw mud at the most important achievement in humanitarian affairs and disarmament in the last decade,'' said Thomas Nash, coordinator of the London-based Cluster Munition Coalition, a network of 400 nongovernmental organizations from about 90 countries.
Textron Defense Systems is a division of the Providence-based conglomerate Textron Inc., which makes products as diverse as helicopters and passenger planes and defense and intelligence systems. It had annual revenue of more than $14 billion in 2008. The Wilmington facility makes a variety of air-launched munitions, as well as both air and ground surveillance systems.
As part of its public relations push, Textron has established a new website, dontbanthesolution.com, replete with expert testimony and computer-generated battle scenes to demonstrate its weapon's pinpoint accuracy and fail-safe design. Textron Systems chief executive Frank Tempesta, has penned an oped in a leading international trade magazine contending that the proposed treaty, the Convention on Cluster Munitions, will do more harm than good by leading militaries to use more powerful, and less accurate, weapons to achieve the same effect. And the company has dispatched officials to foreign capitals and the conference rooms of skeptical human rights groups to make their case.
Dropped from a high-flying aircraft, the Textron weapon releases 10 canisters that parachute downward, scanning for the enemy with a built-in sensor. When they reach an optimum altitude, the canisters, spinning at high speed, release four separate bomblets, or "skeets,'' each with its own rocket motor and targeting system.
Each skeet has a 2.2-kilogram warhead, sufficient to pierce and disable a 70-ton tank, and weighs a little less than 4 kilograms including its motor and electronics.
Just two of the weapons, released from a B-52 bomber, destroyed 24 Iraqi tanks in 2003.
If they don't find a target, the company says, the 40 bomblets are designed to self-destruct. For example, if the skeet reaches a height of 50 feet without homing in on the heat from a tank or armored vehicle, it will explode in midair. And once armed, the projectile is only capable of exploding for eight seconds before it disarms. As a third safety mechanism, any unexploded skeets lying on the ground will disarm after two minutes.
The Pentagon has certified in testing that the Sensor Fuzed Weapon leaves unexploded bomblets only 1 percent of the time or less. That is a standard that Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates has stipulated all cluster munitions must meet by 2018.
Arms control advocates remain unconvinced, however.
"They think technology is the answer,'' said Nash, the Cluster Munition Coalition coordinator. His group contends that Textron's claims of accuracy and reliability have historically been overstated.
"It is not reasonable to base your policy on the continued failure of weapons manufacturers to make reliable weapons,'' he said. "They make money from selling weapons, and I think that compromises to a certain extent the credibility of their humanitarian analysis.''
Other experts, including supporters of the Oslo treaty, acknowledge that Textron has made significant breakthroughs to minimize harm to civilians. Ove Dullum, chief scientist at the Norwegian Defense Research Establishment, said in an interview that based on tests he considers the Sensor Fuzed Weapon a minimal risk to civilians.
Still, he says that may not hold true under battle conditions.
"My experience . . . is that even if carefully conducted tests of ammunition show a very low dud rate, that will not represent the dud rate in war,'' he said, citing the aging of munitions, environmental impact, and the handling of the weapons in a real war environment.
Moreover, even if the weapon can achieve the level of reliability advertised, it is still highly dangerous for civilians on the battlefield, said Jeff Abramson, deputy director of the Arms Control Association, a nonpartisan Washington think tank. He said that, depending on how many are used in a future conflict, a 1 percent dud rate could still affect many innocent bystanders.
"If you have 1 percent of 10,000 submunitions, that is 100 left that could possibly explode in the future,'' he said.
Textron and the US military say that, without the ability to use cluster bombs with 40 bomblets, military forces will inevitably use greater numbers of traditional bombs. That, Gates concluded in a policy memorandum last year, "could result, in some cases, in unacceptable collateral damage and explosive remnants of war.''
Nations that do not sign the treaty could have trouble selling their weapons. Cluster bombs made by Diehl and Rheinmetall in Germany and by Bofors Defence and GIAT Industries in France meet the requirements of the treaty, with two bomblets contained in each. They would be expected to pick up market share at Textron's expense if the treaty is ratified as written.
Also, nations that ratify the treaty may place restrictions on cooperating with any military that doesn't abide by it.
UN negotiations to craft a new agreement are at a standstill. "There is still a wide divergence,'' said a US defense official involved in the talks who declined to be identified because he was not authorized to do so. Another meeting is scheduled in Geneva in November.
But a State Department spokesman, Jason Greer, argued that a new treaty that takes into account the potential to reduce civilian casualties would be an improvement over the Oslo pact, which merely sets standards for bomblets and their size.
The US government also argues that the current treaty will have little effect if the holdouts - which have the largest militaries and explosive stockpiles - refuse to participate. A new treaty, said Greer, would probably include "more of the countries that actually produce cluster munitions.''
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Show AllPsychopaths marvel at their inventive ways of killing and destroying; yet again! Laws, treaties, conventions, constitutions, none of these things matter to such people. They only care about exercising their insanity with their insane R&D projects of death and destruction for the intermediate goals for achieving the top goal of PROFIT. They don't have lives; they're death and destruction.
I wonder: who will be the last person living? Will they be the 'winner'?
Winning the hearts and minds of the non-US people on this planet. It would be a nice change if the US started it's leading by example by switching off it's war-industry. But I guess they just love kick-ass attitude that comes with the big guns.
'sophisticated weapon' oxymoronic and, if the etymological root of the word 'evil' includes 'off the mark', then this is truely off the mark.
sophia - wisdom, as weapon, would remit to something else me thinks.... something that holds life in begnign embrace - like love and higly sophisticated planting, watering, astronomical calendars that, were it not for climate disruptions, would reflect millenial practices - and growing of highly diversified seed stock exchanged anmong communities.
And no, I am not calling for elimination of technology - but definitely for technology with eyes wide open.
"Knowing that we are in no way, shape or form contributing to [civilian suffering] is really a very satisfying place to be,'' he said."
"Knowing that we are in no way, shape or form contributing to [civilian suffering] is really a very satisfying place to be,'' he said.
"Knowing that we are in no way, shape or form contributing to [civilian suffering] is really a very satisfying place to be,'' he said.
"Knowing that we are in no way, shape or form contributing to [civilian suffering] is really a very satisfying place to be,'' he said.
Wow -- ba-a-ad dreams tonight.
"Knowing that we are in no way, shape or form contributing to [civilian suffering] is really a very satisfying place to be,'' he said."
The Natives Here in North America were not considered humans when settlers from Europe arrived and slaughtered them. And so too were the Natives of South America and Latin America. Similarly the slaughter of innocent peoples around the globe will continue as before because they are not considered humans by the same people who manufacture these weapons of death and destruction. Their crime!!! They live on lands having resources which must be obtained at all costs. And Ironically, the governments supported and voted into power in these so-called democracies are complicit in the wholescale slaughter of their own peoples in order to line their own pockets. Many of these ordinary people who are considered terrorists or who become terrorists, would be content with their lot in life if left to live their simple life styles. It is when they have no way to fend for themselves and their loved ones that they resort to any means to vent their frustrations, their anger and eventual hatred. Religion and politics - a very, very dangerous brew! It is difficult to imagine a future when all man will live in peace and harmony. For this scenario to become a reality man must overcome greed and the lust for power which enables him to dominate his fellow man. This is impossible given his nature. Technology might very well be his end.
and so too were the Natives of Philippines, Guam, Puerto Rico, Mexico, China, Vietnam, Korea, including eventually Japan...hey -- the USA even had a GREAT excuse to drop the Hydrogen Bomb JUST TO SHOW the World who can KICK ASS.
as an american soldier sent to "put down the insurrection" in the philippines a century ago wrote home:
"here -- shooting humans SURE BEATS shooting rabbits back home".
and a Commander Reports :
"we have ensured that our army obeyed the Rules of War and we have conducted ourselves with utmost civility"......
in raping, pillaging, and ensuring that - as Also Another Command from High Up says on how to treat natives:
"Kill Anything that is over ten years old".
THAT"S america for you. the most "civilized" and "advanced" example of Satanic Cruelty and Evil ever perpetuated on the Earth.
is it any different 200 years ago against native indians and enslavement of blacks and colored people -- from TODAY?.
and as a conscience stricken american said of the Conquest war of the USA upon other countries and the philippines under roosevelt and mckinley...
""GOD DAMN US ALL -- for our VILE treatment of the filipinos"......
and add to that -- of Vietnamese, south americans, central asians, africans, etc. etc.etc......
"FOR WHAT WE ARE YET ABOUT TO DO ..........WHEN I CONTEMPLATE IF THERE IS TRULY A GOD OF JUSTICE..........I TREMBLE FOR OUR NATION".......
THOMAS JEFFERSON
I think everyone should apply for a job at Textron. Maybe we can turn the corporate culture around from the inside.
http://www.textron.com/careers/index.jsp
Jean Léon Jaurès has already applied.
Joe
How many Democrats vote for this killer bomb? How many Democrats can sleep at night, knowing that they'll order the deaths of thousands of people.
How repulsive!
How many people will vote for Democrats who will vote billions of dollars for this madness?
Have you voters a conscience?
Yes, the people you vote for will cast their vote in blood money. And you will be complicit in these acts.
Stop voting for these miserable excuses for politicians who have no conscience! Get some backbone, and don't listen to people who say, but we don't want to elect a Republican! So what? If all those people who told me they had to vote Democrat would have voted Green, or helped organize their state for an alternative party, something might have been accomplished.
If you continue voting for establishment politicians, you'll continue to get the same result-wars, trillion dollar military budgets, crumbling infrastructure such as bursting water mains all over Los Angeles, no mass transit, and a lousy sick care system.
How do they decide for a treaty what is a reasonable cluster bomb? I can just imagine them sitting at a big table discussing how much needless death seems like a fair and reasonable amount.
if they can't use sensor fuzed cluster bombs they'll have to resort to other bombs, like the ones they are using now.
well yeah that or STOP BOMBING PEOPLE!!!
"As part of its public relations push, Textron has established a new website"
Godzilla is concerned about his relationship with his victims. Yes! In Oceania all is well!
I just left it. Scary. Textron brags of anti-armor, anti-air defense and "other combat operations," this air to ground bomb is designed for....People. Deployed in mountain passes would potentiate it's effect.
Master: militarism
Slave: people
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever. Commerce between master and slave is despotism. Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Establish a law for educating the common people. This it is the business of the state and on a general plan." -Thomas jefferson
I believe that the Jews dropped more than a million cluster bomblets on Lebanese civilians. The 'dud' rate for those US supplied cluster bombs was much greater than 1% by design to leave a mine field after the attack to deal with medical and repair crews. Those Bush supplied bombs are still killing and maiming children today. Is there not some sort of Papal decree banning child butchery?
Humbaba, too; The IDF, The Israeli Death Forces, have detailed maps showing where these bomblet dispersals happened-where the duds lie. They refuse to release these maps to UN crews wishing to clear the fields of the bomblets to this day.
The USA's Star Spangled Banner..National Anthem of DEATH, DESTRUCTION, WAR, EMPIRE, THIEVERY , MURDER and PROFITS
"blessed by god" too....
what an INSANE nation.
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O! say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave![
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"I must with great sadness and shame say that the greatest purveyor of Violence in the World today is my own country and government".....
"we are a Nation of Technological Giants and Moral Midgets"......
DR. Martin Luther King, Jr.
I must say: what leaps out at me in the comments thread is a shocking disregard for one of capitalism's primary tenets: Keep the Customer Satisfied!
If Uncle Sam needs a state-of-the-art weapon that spews thousands of bomblets shaped like pacifiers and Beanie Babies, then by God a crew of loyal and patriotic workers will step up to make the best damn Beanie-Busters that can be made, no expense spared!
Sadly, one must infer that the workforce which proudly makes such diabolically barbaric technology copes with the ethical implications in a broad spectrum of defenses, from sheer stupidity, sociopathic indifference, or psychotic hostility through various pragmatic and self-serving rationalizations.
I owe, I owe, so off to work I go... there are incentives: health benefits. Pizza parties, perhaps. It's a lousy job, but SOMEBODY'S got to do it...
But if there's one thing I've learned over several years of commenting at nominally progressive sites, it's the desirability of keeping a "half-full" attitude.
So here goes: even a glass half-full of blood and pulverized flesh & bone is still half-full.
Hmm... I guess it takes practice.
· Yr Obd't Servant
God, help us! God? God? God?.................
John Lewis-Dickerson, Atlanta
You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
Tankwarfare went out with jousting.
However a "30 acre swath," of the Khyber Pass, the Hindu Kush, South Waziristan-A few will Erase entire villages in a flash in the night. Shredding babies and their mothers as they dream. And to a one, the 1,000 Yankees that assemble this Scythe will Cheer; they don't like Arabs. Terrorists. Only a billion of them, if Muslims can be killed faster than they propogate, is it not just a matter of time before Absolute Victory?
Thank God for Russia, China. Imagine if the US was absolutely unchecked? I shudder. PeaceMon.
Finally one post the touches the main problem. The weapon is pretty cool, but obsolete. Let's face it, how many people believe Osama will attack US troops in column of tanks? Just another make work program for the government.
That being said, just to set the record straight. This weapon cannot be used as an antipersonnel weapon. It is designed to hit armor . It does not really shred babies. It will shower then with molten metal if they are under some kind of armored roof though. Much more efficient at that are the classic antipersonnel cluster bombs.
Actually, for those of you who still own TVs and subscribe to cable, there's a show on the Discovery channel that had a feature on ths weapon a few years ago.
The military will justify using it on whatever they feel like. In case you haven't noticed, in Afghanistan, things like supply trucks and "insurgent outposts" have been targeted by air strikes. Bomblets are littered all over the place near civilians in many countries the US has attacked. Weaponry tends to get used, even if "inappropriately", and people will get shredded.
The Discovery Channel weapons shows are war porn. Why watch them?
Yes, anyone who thinks that these weapons will be limited to tanks doesn't know our military very well.
Well said. When the atomic bomb had just been proven to work, one of the scientists recommended (since the bomb was to be dropped in a parachute so the air pressure sensor could explode it at the most lethal altitude) that some eye attracting devices like colored ballons be dropped first so most people would be looking up and be instantly blinded. My, what an imagination these military scientists have. Do they have jam sessions with Marine Generals to come up with these ideas?
I agree! And we saw how the Israeli military used American-made phosphorus munitions in densely populated Gaza.
The M/I/I complex, fighting overpopulation while making big profits.
Another reason to be proud of america in is never ending drive to create the death, suffering, mayham and misery in other countries especially those countries that are spanking america's ass WITHOUT any tanks.
Let me see, first up on the order list is IZRAEL, and how many of these beauties do you want izrael? 10,000? OK, you want them shipped or you want them 'to go'? Half to go now and ship the rest! Thank you for your purchase and as a most favored pal of america you'll get a 10% discount.
Oh, you want some drones, well lets go back here and have a look see.
I shudder to think how these weapons will be used if the Israeli military gets ahold of them. And they will. Any company that manufactures weapons has got to be totally morally bankrupt when it cynically says they are committed to humanitarian issues.
Bush was looking for weapons of mass destruction. He was looking in the wrong place.
"Knowing that we are in no way, shape or form contributing to [civilian suffering] is really a very satisfying place to be,'' he said.
EXCUSE ME?????
What the hell do they need these anti-tank weapons for, these stinking cowards never attack and occupy any country that has anything as dangerous as a tank--all they ever will be used for probably is against some poor Palestinian or other occupied peoples to scare them into submission. We need to get mad and stop this shit now--the money they are wasting could be helping rebuild this run-down nation which is our home. If we don't do this now--they might even be used against the remaining remnant of true patriots whose numbers are dwindling daily--WAKE UP AMERICA--STRIKE AGAINST TYRANNY--MUSTER IN DC 1st WEEK OF OCTOBER/JOIN THE NATIONAL STRIKE
Read between the lines. Textron is actually trying to advance the notion that this is a "Humanitarian Weapon" and it gives them great comfort to CALL It that.
>>If you have 1 percent of 10,000 submunitions, that is 100 left that could possibly explode in the future,'' he said.
Bang on. Not only that but there will be the desire to use MORE of these weapons in conflict under the premise they have a low dud rate and are a minimal threat to Civilians.
Drop 10 times as many total you now have THOUSANDS of unexploded bomblets.
As to their intended use. What nation the US plans on fighting has tanks in the number that create a need for such a weapon? Any weapon that is intended to destroy or disable a tank would have a highly explosive charge meaning the bomblets a threat to a wider area then where they land. (This akin to a bomb that has "Pinpoint accuracy" but when exploding destroys an entrie city block. Who the heck cares if it landed on a dot no larger then the hea dof a pencil if everything and every person within its blast radius killed or destroyed?)
Given that there no forseeable enemy that can field tanks wherein these weapons "required" history has shown that the Military will then find OTHER uses for the weapons. Just as they used white Phosphrous on Fallujah.
"It really is an extremely sophisticated weapon,'' said Mark D. Rafferty, vice president of business development for Textron Defense Systems, which employs about 1,000 people at its Wilmington plant."
It boggles my mind that any of these 1,000 people can get up each day and do what they do to make money. Even if the alternative is unemployment and homeless shelter/street situations for the employees and their families - I would certainly first choose that route rather than enter this facility to help these monsters make this crap.
""Knowing that we are in no way, shape or form contributing to [civilian suffering] is really a very satisfying place to be,'' he said."
Creating huge bombs with many powerful smaller bombs, which would undoubtedly get used (and this asshole knows it) in murky "battlefield" situations very near civilians, and which contain god knows what toxic materials to be released into the environment, isn't contributing to civilian suffering? Helping countries destroy each other isn't contributing to civilian suffering? - and as if soldiers aren't people also?
How sad that Mark Rafferty has lost the ability to speak or understand English. He is so corrupt that he can justify anything. I was raised in a fundamentalist family where rationalizing was practiced so adroitly my engineer father could work with Werner von Braun and still believe in creationism. But what really stuck me as I read my Bible was how Satan was called the Father of Lies. English has become the language of the Father of Lies.
How does such an expenditure for an illegal device get approved?
Joe
this is the kind of stuff that gets paid for out of the heroin money...
where do they get heroin to sell? hmmmmm...
Oh, such good news for the clever souls who designed and are manufacturing this new and improved cluster bomb. It's ready to roll off the assembly line in the great state of Massachusetts which produced our second president, John Adams, whose passion for the rule of law was one of his outstanding qualities.
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jclientelle - "How does such an expenditure for [such] an illegal device get approved"?
Whether the "good book" says it or not, it is apparent that THE LOVE OF MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL ... and when you have as many people in government, high finance and mega-corporations bent on profits wherever they come from, with all of these people fulfilling the criteria [no conscience, no heart connection as 2 of 12] for full-blown psycho-/sociopaths and with lots of fawning groupies and ambitious minions clambering aboard the Gravy Train, it's obviously easy.
The Heart of this country has been barbecued on the battlefields and on the Board room grills, and the cannibals who rake in the money have found the chunks they've eaten with gusto mighty tasty. And truly, who or what is to stop them now?
And that is a genuine question? Since they clearly do not relate to a government of, for, or by the people or relate to The People themselves or the needs of The People, whether this country or any country, who or what can stop them, especially with just about all Media, except for the few independent voices, orchestrating the Band Wagon selections that incessantly play in the Club cars of the Gravy Train and within the homes in every city and whistle-stop town during and through breakfast, lunch and dinner hours?
This morning I listened to the late [this week] Mary Travers' robust voice with Peter and Paul in the background singing out and playing, "If I Had a Hammer." Paraphrasing: I'd strike it for freedom and justice and love between all my brothers and my sisters.
Back then, Peter, Paul and Mary and Joan Baez and Bob Dylan and so many others forged a musical hammer that woke up, grabbed, inspired and moved so many to action.
But The Powers learned from that: No Draft for unpopular or controversial wars and military actions; no coverage or just an occasional 15-second blip of millions of protestors in NYC or L.A. or D.C., but not commented on and sandwiched in between commercials; police in riot gear with tasers not taking any guff from even Quakers marching peaceably with their protest signs.
Unread-by-our-representives, the already written [?], very lengthy document called The Patriot Act was immediately passed after 9-11 ... and everyone in the nation became suspect.
Lots of rule and regulation changes, especially with lots of doing away with the rules and regs for the Monied Powerful, corporations as well as individuals.
Fraudulent elections assisted by the Supreme Court or other judicial bodies with the U.S. Justice Department eschewing investigations for so many things that seem crucial to our national democratic process and our national character suggests that it has become a toothless agency in thrall to The Godfathers of our national life and our corporate entities.
... And on and on and on in this Gathering Storm [borrowing from Winston Churchill's title as Adolph Hitler and his Nazi cohorts moved relentlessly forward to their vaunted world dominance of their Third Reich].
Can't happen here? ... It's happening, folks. And it's my second time around. And it's really getting old.
Who or what is going to stop it?
??? /cm
Sir, You are right on all counts.
Stop it? Only a broken currency followed by a loss of international credit will stop it. Our wars are unproductive. They are financed by other countries. Recently the other countries are reducing their US Treasury purchases so the Fed has gamed the stats to make it look like "international" buying is still robust. Venezuela has a new and very large oil consumer (China) to replace the USA. Brazil has China now as their number one trading partner instead of the USA. These things take time. The US corporations are actually helping this trend by positioning themselves to keep milking us to the end even as their overseas subsidiaries become more loyal to the overseas countries. The only ones who are stuck are the the people of the USA that aren't rich.
The only consolation I see is that our country will eventually stop trying to buy or bop everyone on earth.
Unfortunately, some other country will then begin doing that. Nature abhors a vacuum.
Humanity without spirituality is the territorial imperative on steroids.
Well, they would have built soup kitchens for hungry kids the world over -- but, soup kitchens lack the necessary 'sizzle' for the children of privilege when they brag about their sources of income.
130 million USans voted for more "business as usual" in Nov 2008 knowing fully well that the new definition of "business as usual" includes the USA's near total contempt for and violation of international arms treaties and international treaties in general. In the 21st Century the USA is the most feared and loathed nation in the world thanks to its systematic violation of international treaties and related dark policies with very little internal dissent from the so-called left. "Great" USan cities like Boston and San Francisco are like the emperor without any clothes today, supported by the military industrial complex of a gargantuan fascist outlaw state.
We need to buy this product so we can protect our country against tanks rolling across the borders from Canada and Mexico. Also, this weapon can be sold to other countries to promote peace. Ten cluster bombs per device would simply not be enough.
Joe
It's all about the money, and people who value money over life. All weapons manufacturing should be shut down. Period. No ifs ands or buts. The US empire is based on the production of killing machines. How horrible for the world. Any society that values money over life will eventually die, and deserve it. The US is that place...and unless we change it, eventually the world will sentence us to death, and rightly so.
Another reason to ban corporate lobbying. In this case, Textron is effectively lobbying against an international treaty designed to protect civilians. Textron is arguing that its weapon be exempt from the agreement; however, even if the weapon is effective, only a few countries will have it (US and maybe a couple allies); so the playing field will be uneven and other countries won't be willing to give up their unsophisticated cluster bombs.
Here is a way for all of us who posted on this thread or read it to take action to raise awareness. Here are some suggestions but does anyone have any others?
-Letters to editors in newspapers to publish our manufacture and use of this weapon
-Calls and letters to all Congressmen and also Obama that we do not condone this bomb
-Telephone calls and letters to that company asking them to cease this business
-Pressure from everywhere on Massachusetts!
-Forward this article to organizations who will help make noise
I also wrote letter to editors about the shoe thrower's letter. Even if they don't publish my letter, people at newspapers will read it.
For so long the only voices we hear out loud in this country have been shouting madness-- Let's calmly and firmly start to counter them in every way we can.
Thank you.
A former Army Intelligence friend of mine described the birth of the cluster bomb to me as this (I believe early Vietnam Era, late '50's early 60's):
Two psychologists were hired by the military to find the colors that most attracted children. Turns out to be fluorescent orange and fluorescent green. (I've seen videos of these bomblets, about baseball size, being dropped out of the back of a plane in Vietnam). They were originally not designed to kill, but to blow the arms and legs off of children. Children would be attracted to these bomblets, kick them like a ball or play catch, and then get their arm or leg blown off by the thing. This child would then need folks in the field to rescue them. The child would use up much needed medical supplies of the perceived enemy, as well as doctors. The child would take up space in the hospitals, using up beds that could be used for the perceived enemy. When the child grows up, the child will become a drain on society, needing government assistance or having a demoralizing effect on the community.
That is how the military works. Bombs like the one mentioned here will more than likely be used in civilian neighborhoods simply because soft targets are easier hits and demoralizes the community/nation. That is how most militarized governments think. They pay people a lot of money to think like that.
There the legend of basil the Bulgar slayer.
In defeating an enemy army he blinded 99 out of 100 men captured in both eyes and 1 out of 100 in one eye in order to lead the others home. Barbaric to be sure.
It interesting to note That Basil represented "Civilization" in the way of Constaninople and the Bulgrs were seen as barbarians,
But targeting Children so as to blow off their limbs is a new low.
Don't expect too much from the descendants of the people that enslaved Africans and wiped out the Native Americans:
"American Holocaust" by David Stannard
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/History/Prologue_AH.html
which points once more to the utter monstrous hypocrisy of the United STates in leading and shouting about how "terrorists use children and civilians as human shields".......
when in reality the USA has METHODICALLY used Terrorism AND TARGETING civilians and children in far more brutal and deranged ways...just as that in vietnam.
but then -- what else is there to ADD to the descriptions of this VERY UNIQUELY AMERICAN unimaginable kind of brutality?..
after all - a society that glorifies money and profit so much - whose many LEADING INDUSTRIES have methodically victimized people everywhere is certainly capable of doing this..imagining these things and using its "best brains" PRECISELY for the aim of cruelty, murder, subjugation, dehumanizing and many more unbelievable examples of sheer EVIL.
tobacco industry: intentionally selling to people, especially to get "children started EARLY" with addictive additions...while the usa rails against "DRUGS"...
pharmaceutical industry: the same thing
even the "car culture of individual liberty" it has basically forced the world to play that game...
so - what is so different from when it comes to militarism and militaristic wars?
the USA has always been waging war against PEOPLE everywhere.
it's in its very DNA.
and one can understand why General Smedley Butler, US Marines, 1933 said :
"I suspended my conscience for 30 years....knowing that what WE DO -- is EVIL".
But it's so effective! The United States will doubtlessly prosper and the world will be full of armless and eyeless and legless and dead Arab children. God Bless America.
Eugene - Have you read "Green Parrots" by Dr. Gino Strada, an Italian surgeon who was a volunteer who tried to repair children injured in war. These green parrots are brightly colored fluttering bomblets especially designed to attract children. The children are the targets, not collateral damage. The collateral damage is our intellectual and moral being.
Strada has become a peace activist since he realized that it is impossible to keep up with the damage that continues at a high rate. It must be stopped.
Joe
Congratulations Eugene & jclientelle. I thought my view of humanity couldn't sink any lower, but it now has. Intentionally designing bombs and mines to attract kids just boggles my mind. I am in my early 50s and thought I had pretty much heard and seen it all, but this takes the cake.
Think about it for a minute. Some sick sociopath had to come up with the idea. Than other sick sociopaths would have to design it. Then more sick sociopaths would have to build them. Next you would need sick sociopaths to decide to use them, then finally sick sociopaths, of their own free will, to drop them on unknowing populations.
It is sad that things like this go on anonymously. People who are intentionally part of this sick process should have their names made public. If that was done we could maybe start go bring an end to some of this madness.
And the USA had the gaul to demonize the Soviet Union for targeting children in the same way in Afghanistan.
If you're playing a board game and one of the ways to score points is to demonize your opponent for crimes you commit yourself, then it's perfectly ethical. Life's just a board game to many USans.
Those sick psychopaths are the people that we are given to "chose" from from to be our "leaders" from a huge pool of people that would never allow this to go on. Our government is full of idiots and mentally ill people. What do we do to mentally ill people in society? They get locked up and put on medication. They become the bottom rung of the societal ladder. Why, then are mentally ill people leading our country, in the government, financial sector, and everywhere we look? We willingly give our hard earned money to these monsters so they can kill children and people that have no chance or desire to harm us, so that they can take over their land and resources. WTF>?
If the story about the psychologists is true (and I accept that it probably is), they should have been struck off the licence register and had their credentials revoked. At a minimum.
That's an utterly depraved ethical abuse, and ought to be listed among the Crimes Against Humanity.
Monsters are real in this world too, except that they're all in human form.
May I suggest three new laws?
You can't profit from war.
Free electricity for vehicles.
No baggy panties.
Another useless weapons system designed for a future kind of war we won't be fighting. The only reason for the weapon is to keep Textron and its parasitic kin profitable. Instead of another cruel way to kill folks, why don't they try to design something to fix our corrupt system and broken and government?
It appears there are no large sums of easy money to be made in fixing our broken and counter productive government. A few thousand dollars invested in campaign donations can bring in millions in profit on government contracts. Better government depends on changing the way our representatives are put into office. The cheapest way to get representatives might be to draw names from a hat and forbid any money or gifts (aka bribes) from anyone. Lottery drafted soldiers and people selected for jury duty are usually honest.
Actually, a lottery for public office was something I've supported for a long time. 'Qualified' individuals (whatever 'qualified' may be determined to mean) serve the public once in one office and then are barred for serving again during their lifetime. No pensions, gifts, revolving door jobs, etc.. Since there are no campaigns, congressional blackmail would be eliminated. And while there may still be lobbyists lurking in the wings, their power, since the public official has nothing to gain, whould be somewhat neutralized. It may not be a perfect system, but it can't be too much worse than what we've currently got. I'd be willing to give it a try. But I won't hold my breath.
T, I agree, however, another machine can't fix the crippled souls of those who profit from war mongering....i.e. our corrupt system and broken government. With over half of the GNP going to the MIC, you get a pretty clear picture of their values and priorities. Fear, ignorance and greed lead this parade of fools. And
why is it the teabaggers and "government haters" never seem to protest the endless wars which are sucking the life out of this country? Fear, ignorance and greed.
Pinpoint accuracy my ass....