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Panetta: Airstrikes Have Been 'Very Effective'
LOS ANGELES - U.S. airstrikes aimed at al Qaeda leaders in Pakistan have been "very effective," with few civilian deaths as a result, CIA Director Leon Panetta said Monday in a rare public acknowledgment of the raids.
Director of the Central Intelligence Agency Leon E. Panetta (L) laughs with former U.S. Secretary of State Warren Christopher as they sit with each other at a luncheon session hosted by Pacific Council on International Policy in Los Angeles, California, May 18, 2009. (REUTERS/Danny Moloshok) Asked about criticism of the missile attacks by counterinsurgency experts, Panetta said he did not want to discuss specifics, "but I can assure you that in terms of that particular area, it is very precise and is very limited in terms of collateral damage."
"Very frankly, it's the only game in town in terms of confronting or trying to disrupt the al Qaeda leadership," Panetta told the Pacific Council on International Policy in Los Angeles.
Pakistan has complained repeatedly about what it says are airstrikes on its territory by U.S.-operated drones. The U.S. military in neighboring Afghanistan does not comment on the attacks, which typically target Islamic militants in the border region, but the United States is the only country operating in the region known to have the capability to launch missiles from remote-controlled aircraft.
Panetta's predecessor, Michael Hayden, was asked about the drone attacks on Pakistani territory shortly before he left office in January, but addressed it far less directly than Panetta.
"I'm not going to talk about anything operational, and I'm not confirming or denying how any of this happens, we're not getting into that," he said. But he said he believed al Qaeda leaders had come to view Pakistan's tribal regions as "neither safe nor a haven."
Two leading former advisers on counterinsurgency warfare, David Kilcullen and Andrew Exum, wrote in The New York Times over the weekend that the strikes have killed about 14 terrorist leaders in the past three years -- but Pakistani sources say the civilian death toll could be as high as 700.
While U.S. officials dispute that ratio, Kilcullen and Exum wrote, "Every one of these dead noncombatants represents an alienated family, a new desire for revenge and more recruits for a militant movement that has grown exponentially even as drone strikes have increased."
"The persistence of these attacks on Pakistani territory offends people's deepest sensibilities, alienates them from their government and contributes to Pakistan's instability," Kilcullen and Exum said. They compared the tactics to British bombardment of the same region in the 1920s and French airstrikes on Algeria in the 1950s, arguing that the strikes were likely to remind Pakistanis of colonial rule.
U.S. forces have been battling al Qaeda and its Taliban allies in Afghanistan since the terrorist network's 2001 attacks on New York and Washington. Both have taken root across the rugged border in Pakistan, where Pakistani troops are waging an air and ground offensive to crush the Taliban in the Swat Valley, northwest of the capital, Islamabad.
Prime Minister Yusuf Reza Gilani said Monday that the offensive will go on "until peace is established."
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Show AllHey, Panetta, since you claim the collateral damage is minimal and our air strikes are so terrific and doing little damage to the innocent citizenry, please, to show really good faith in our accurate video-game bombings, why don't you and your whole department of underlings attend some wedding parties, picnics, and visit some of the citizens and even sleep overnight in their houses. Bring food, however, as a friendly gesture.
Stay there, both with Afghans and Pakistanis ... if they'll have you, which I think they will because of their hospitality code ... Just ask to be their guest. ... Stay bout a week with our missile strikes continuing with business as usual, and then you can tell us how harmless and how accurate those unmanned drones with their missiles are and how many actual terrorists we killed.
okay? I really want to believe, but it's really getting more and more difficult as the pictures of dead children and villagers keep coming up on the NET.
SCREAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ...
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Prior to the start of the 2008 primary, candidate Obama vowed to "bomb enemy hiding out in the mountains of Pakistan".
Obama is simply delivering on another of his many fascist policies.
The British pronounce his name "obommer" and that pronunciation fits the war in Pakistan like a glove.
"very effective," at what?
1,500,000 displaced people?
"but Pakistani sources say the civilian death toll could be as high as 700."
I say that's "Very Effective".
Perhaps Panetta suscribes to the "One American life is worth 1000 Pakistani Civilians Lives" theory.
Thus in his mind 7/10 of 1 civilian has been killed and that aint bad at all.
I doubt that he cares of American lives anymore than he cares for the Pakistanis, unless that American life happens to be his loved ones.
U.S. Airstrikes Serve Their Purpose
"Which is?"
"To further alienate Pakistanis so as to gain recruits for al Qaeda."
"But why would our military or the CIA want to do thls?"
"To justify the War On Terror?"
"The answer being?"
"Troops out now."
Another poster today who claims he is a programer for the War for Profit Industry and may be having a nervous breakdown is claiming that" the CIA needs to stop funding the Taliban".
I at first thought this was ignorance of the timeline of events and just that he lacked knowledge of the current situation.
But the more I thought about the more possible it seemed. He may be someone blurting out a secret.
But it is sooooo obvious. Otherwise why is "al Qaeda" always the target of the great powers. There is no such thing as Al Qaeda, no such organization, centre, philosophy, etc...... except in the minds of Langley and their publicists.
Radical Islam is the direct result of:
1, the backing given it by neoconservatives and other sociopaths, as a pump primer.
2, the stimulation of anti-western, (principally Israel-American-Britain) sentiment by military occupations, torture, ignorance and support of ignominious injustice against mostly brownish people believing in Allah.
The trick, the modus op, was tested in Israel and now applied to the world. Invent and control your enemy, destroy and rule by disaster capitalism and fear.
Did you think they were all so dumb? Planes fly into buildings by omission! The wrong people given money and guns, all by mistake:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/20/world/asia/20ammo.html
When will the nation of people that consider themselves so clever, leaders of the world, bla bla.. wake up and realise that they are duped daily to be tacitly supporting "global terrorism" using their most powerful military in the history of the earth, mostly against civilians who themselves are just hoping to stay alive and mind their own business. American interests?? Nuclear proliferation? Imminent threats.... Bovine Excrement!
Taliban, Al Qaeda, Bin Laden, F-ing Bulls hit... Just power by inventing and controlling the enemy, the story, and above all the mountain of money it all generates to feed the 1%, from the taxes and debts all from the idiots that keep the "spin merchants" in Power.
That's the way elites do it. Divide and conquer. At home and abroad.
The CIA has been funding both sides for decades. Fund both sides, let them kill each other, the banks and corporations are happy. A job well done. Whichever side we're on is pretty irrelevant. The important thing is making sure the American people are scared shitless enough that they're happy to live in tents and bankrupt Social Security. Just as long as the enemy doesn't move in next door. Todays allies are tomorrows enemy. As long as we're at war for a long, long, time.
The country is mentally and morally bankrupt, besides being bankrupt.
A bit off topic. But carrying AK-47's into our National Parks? WTF for?
Boy Scouts with guns protecting the homeland against illegals and Arab terrorists.
Torture is OK.
Brainwashed youth, ready to kill, lacking empathy.
The US is quickly becoming a full blown militaristic state.
Horsefeathers!!!
"We have met the enemy and he is us."
some of you obamatards remind us who leon panetta was, back in the day, please. how easily & cozily & snuggily he fits in there at the CIA.
why the f. is panetta commenting on this stuff anyway? another sign of conflict b/n the military & civilian rule, a la pelosi vs. the cia?
The CIA never lies.
Panetta needs a nose job. Newt Gingrich cut his off to spite his face. Give it to Panetta.
But won't Panetta's comments play well in the average American home. After all isn't the average American just a drone also and we all know drones are also effective at something which seems to be limiting "collateral damage" - aka women and children.
So that's OK then, right.
Where does Mr. No-change Obamer drag these people from.
Oh c'mon, Leon, a little less Bologna, please. Of course you can't discuss the specifics-- as W. Bush explained, that always ends the world in five minutes, but if not numbers you could comment on proportion, no? Fourteen al Qaedas supposedly killed compared to 700 civilians, and this from a U.S. government source, comes out to .02 in decimal form. Wow, what a success rate!
But I'm right with you, Leon, when you suggest that the drones are the only show in town. Could I modify this? The drones and rockets are the one place we're putting on a show of trying to look good, but...
But you've got the information and we don't, Leon, right? Only the C.I.A. knows about the Predator that wedged in the big trans-world wormhole thus stopping the slimy things from their fast crawl from Afpak to Wichitaw.
The CIA has such a fantastic track record.
Regardless of which party is in 'power' they are just better off keeping their mouths shut because anything they say is just unbelievable.
At best Pannetta is just a liar.
At worst he is being told this pack of bull by the fawning sycophants who these days pass for 'analysts'.
After the Bush crowd purged all those who bothered to look at intelligence data rather than just tell their boss what he wants to hear I fear it might well be the case that Pannetta seriously believes the crap his people tell him.
I don't buy the conspiracy theories mainly because, from what I have seen, these guys just aren't smart enough to think of them let alone actually pull them off! I think blindness, careerism, and dull-witted political climbing are more than sufficient to explain the CIA.
Yep. They don't really think. They have to crank that crank that souljah boy so the war industry and oil companies can dominate and thrive.
Joe
Can I sell you a bridge?
What do you call "conspiracy" if not taking you for a jolly ride for Trillions, inventing in fact a global crusade, at least in the minds of billions of people, and laughing all the way from the corporate board rooms to the bank?
All done by hap-accident-mistakes, sorry we pulled the wrong lever…. Gosh, I’m so dumb… The greatest nation on earth…??
Give us a break!
US Airstrikes in Pakistan Called 'Very Effective'
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Euphemistic way of saying 'kill them all and let god sort them out because I have a henchman I want embedded in the Afghan government so's to coordinate the drug trade'.
Fourteen alQaeda killed is "winning?" Another cold-blooded liar with no regard for human life. Who do these people think they are fooling?
Shame on them for the 700 civilians killed in the futile attempt to find bin Laden. They are making it more probable that we are in for a revenge event.
And these are supposed to be "the best and brightest" Obama could find for his administration. God help us!
The overwhelming risk of the death of innocents when using drones, missiles, smart bombs, mortars, or any WMD like these in residential neighborhoods would be at the very least negligent homicide in this country. Are the lives of Afghani's, Pakistani's, Iraqi's or other people of the region less valuable than ours, or our childrens? How can this be called effective? As leader and spokesperson for this agency he is guilty of murder.
The U.S./Israeli alliance from Hell hasn't even begun to show the world what it's capable of.
Let running dogs lie.
Another one of those "worth it" moments? Bush said they hate us for our freedom. How about they hate us because we don't think their and their children's lives aren't worth shit?
This was on CNN. Do Americans even care about anyone besides themselves?
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
U.S.airstrikes have been very effective alright Mr. Panetta. Very effective at killing innocent civilians. We have become a nation of criminals that in its delusion still thinks it is the good guys; bringing them peace and freedom instead of death and destruction! To be sure there are bad guys,drug dealers, and thugs in the Taliban, but that is none of our business as we do not belong in Afghanistan anymore than they belong over here in our country. They see themselves as freedom fighters and if they cooperated with our egregious foreign policy, that is exactly what they would be called!
It's good to hear it is very limited in terms of collateral damage; I would say that too as long as nobody bombed my town just to get me, killing my friends, neighbours and relatives in the process. Winning hearts and minds while bringing the joys of western progess. Way to go, USA!