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Judge: Let Chinese Muslims from Guantanamo into US
WASHINGTON - A Federal Judge ordered the Bush administration Tuesday to immediately free 17 Chinese Muslims from Guantanamo Bay into the United States, rebuking the government in a landmark decision that could set the stage for the release of dozens other prisoners in Cuba.
The front gate of Camp Delta is shown at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Station in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba September 4, 2007. (Joe Skipper/Reuters) US District Judge Ricardo M. Urbina
said it would be wrong for the government to continue holding the
detainees, known as Uighurs (WEE'-gurz), who have been jailed for
nearly seven years, since they are no longer considered enemy combatants.
Over the objections of government lawyers who called them a security
risk, Urbina ordered their release in Washington D.C. by Friday.
"Because the Constitution prohibits indefinite detentions without cause, the continued detention is unlawful," Urbina said in a ruling that brought cheers and applause from a standing-room only courtroom filled with dozens of Uighurs and human rights activists.
He also ordered a hearing for next week to decide where the Uighurs should be permanently settled. Until then, members of the Uighur community in the D.C. area have offered to take them in and will help care for them.
Justice Department attorney John C. O'Quinn said the government would consider whether to appeal the decision. O'Quinn's request to delay the decision pending a possible appeal was denied Tuesday by Urbina, who said the detainees had waited long enough.
At issue is the scope of a federal judge's power to order the release of a Guantanamo prisoner, who was unlawfully detained by the U.S. but who cannot be sent back to his homeland. The Uighurs, who are Turkic-speaking Muslims in western China, have been cleared for release from Guantanamo since 2004 and ordinarily they would be sent home.
But the Uighurs cannot be sent back to China where they are considered terrorists and could be tortured, and the Bush administration says no country is willing to accept them. Albania accepted five Uighur detainees in 2006 but has since balked on taking others due partly to fears of repercussions with China.
Urbina's decision also has broader implications for the future of the Guantanamo prison, which the Bush administration has said it would like to shut down after "working with other countries to take people back under the right circumstances." A federal judge is set later this month to hold hearings on other Guantanamo prisoners challenging their detention as so-called enemy combatants.
About 20 percent of about 250 detainees who remain at the military prison fear torture or persecution if they return to their home countries, according to the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights, raising similar questions as to where they should go if other countries refuse to take them. The U.S. has long maintained they should stay at Guantanamo.
"How many times does the Bush administration need to be told that detainees are entitled to essential rights? All the remaining detainees in Guantanamo Bay must be either charged and tried or released immediately," said Larry Cox, executive director of Amnesty International USA.
On Tuesday, the Bush administration argued a federal judge did not have the power to order the release of a foreign-born detainee into the U.S., saying would undercut immigration laws that dictate how foreigners are brought into the country. Until a country accepts the Uighurs, they would stay in special housing that includes TVs, air-conditioning and recreational activities such as soccer, tennis and volleyball, government attorneys said.
O'Quinn also said federal judges had no power to order the detainees' release and should defer to the executive branch, who he said would be in a better position in light of the delicate relations with China. In Beijing Tuesday, before Urbina's ruling, the government demanded that all Uighurs held at Guantanamo be repatriated to China.
"The court should be circumspect because of the potential for interference with foreign relations," O'Quinn said.
Sabin Willett, an attorney for the Uighurs, countered: "I've never heard anyone argue our relations with other nations are a basis for holding someone."
The Uighurs have been at Guantanamo Bay, a naval prison in Cuba, since the U.S. military took custody of them in Pakistan and Afghanistan in 2001.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said before Tuesday's court hearing that the Uighurs are suspected of being members of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, which the United States lists as a terrorist organization.
"China has urged the U.S. to repatriate these Chinese terrorist suspects to China on many occasions. We hope the U.S. will take our position seriously and repatriate these persons to China sooner rather than later," he said.
A spokesman at the Chinese Embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to a request for comment about Urbina's order.
Uighurs are from Xinjiang - an isolated region that borders Afghanistan, Pakistan and six Central Asian nations - and say they have been repressed by the Chinese government. China has long said that insurgents are leading an Islamic separatist movement in Xinjiang.
Rebia Kadeer, president of the World Uighur Congress, called the decision a victory for oppressed Uighurs in China.
"This is our destiny. This our people's win. This concerns our freedom. China accuses us of being terrorists, but we are not," she said through a translator as other Uighurs in the courtroom cried for joy.
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Show AllDefer to the jailers?This admin. has no shame.
QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS
,WHAT,WHO,WHY,WHERE,WHEN
FREEDOM
WHAT is this thing called freedom that some say they have and don’t? Is it that the one claiming freedom is still walking around and not behind a guarded fence? The leaders who say that we must let them keep us safe but must give up rights that lead to freedom? And the ones behind the fence with no guilt or proof of guilt? This is freedom?
who would have this thing, this philosophy, this right called freedom? Is it just the strong that would proclaim it and use force to drive home that they are free and all the rest of peoples should be like them? Is freedom granted with a gun or like money; the more you have the more free you are? Does this sound like my country and is it exclusive to it? Yes to the first and an emphatic no to the second. When all the me’s understand that it is the “we” peoples of the whole planet that have the right, there will be no freedom for any. All we have is a mirage.
why would anyone care if the strong dominate the weak and impose their version of what would pass as freedom because they said so? Has it been ever thus? There is no sanity in any of this and The Creator; even with giving all free will had surely hoped and desired that all the created would think as a “we” peoples and not as a me people that used freedom as a word and not as a right that all deserved and had a right to.
Where on this planet should there be freedom? Is it just for certain races, peoples, nations, regions, Where is it written that only certain ones would be granted this most basic rights of all humans? My fundamental thought is that if all peoples were to practice the “we” concept there would be no more war and with all the divergent groups, nations and peoples doing their own thing trade and other commerce would flourish and with all the different climes strife would be minimized. Without the “we” concept freedom cannot be for any.
When is this ever going to be and has it happened before? It has happened before because if I thought of it then it has been out there before. Solomon had it right when he said that “there is nothing new under the sun”. So many chances in history from many parts of the globe and it just does not matter how old a person thinks the human race is it is still many failed chances. Hope reigns eternal though in my heart and soul for it to come to fruition.
Tony 9/4/08
Send Bush and Cheyney to Iran for interogation. Will see how they deal with unlawfull combatant.
AldoinSF
"O'Quinn also said federal judges had no power to order the detainees' release..."
No further argument is necessary. Since whan has the Bush administration paid any attention to a court order? If you can ignore the ruling of a federal judge and not be summarily thrown in jail for contempt, then you are in fact beyond the power of the court. I'm surprised anybody is still entertaining the fantasy that our laws apply to the executive branch. It is bad enough that rogue cops and rogue presidents don't live by the same rules as the rest of us, but must we further humiliate ourselves by paying lip service to the fiction that they do?
Whenever I see a Lunatic Legal Decision from a federal Judge (in the Newspapers)its always followed by Judge Smith, a Clinton Appointee or Judge Smith a Carter appointee...
This one is Clinton's handiwork...Carter and Clinton have done incredible harm to the legal system
What the hell is wrong with you? Time to get a grip. Your posts are usually wrong headed and this is a great example. I gave my youth, blood, sweat and tears for the America I thought existed, guess I was wrong.
Welcome to YOUR new, improved AmeriKKKa!!!
SnowWolf
This one is Clinton's handiwork...Carter and Clinton have done incredible harm to the legal system
Remember if it was not for Clinton's economic policy the US would have been bankrupt now beacuse of the Idiot actor Reagan, Bush (Sr and Jr).
America owes a a debt of gratitude to Clinton for rebounding the economy. However you are one of those people who would impeach Clinton for a personal action but are unmoved when Bush Kills a million plus in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I guess those people dying is not a big deal as per neocons they are hardly human
Finally somebody in US has the courage to speak the truth
There you Guys go with the Wildly Exaggerated Civilian Deaths statistics again....
I've already proven you all wrong about The Iraq Civilian Death stats (80-150K vice 3,000,000
I happen to think Judges should be appointed for legal accumen and never Political Ideology...by EITHER Side...
unfortunately both sides know that what cannot be legislated (usually due to unpopularity) can always be imposed by judicial fiat
(Wow...look at me and the big words today...Thomas More might be a bit proud of me today)
Yes, I sure that Moore and Goose are proud of you.
Thank you for your well thought, right on post. Are you as tired as I am of SW's drivel?
We need to recognize that in the dispute about terror, one side isn't all bad and the other side isn't all good.
Look at world war II. We had Stalin on our side. When it came to running a country, Stalin was the man that Hitler copied. Hitler had as allies the Indonesians, fighting for their independence from the Netherlands. He also had non-Russian Soviet people who wanted their homeland to be free on Russian/Stalinist rule. You also had FInland, a parliamentary democracy, having complete religious freedom. They were on the Axis side because Stalin stole 10% of Finland's land.
So it is with the Uighurs. They want a homeland free of Chinese rule. So for that matter to the Taiwanese and Tibetans.
Your Moral Relativism is stunning...
What can you say about Islamist Extremism that is good?
They are Anti-Women, Anti-Gay, Intolerant of anyone who isn't a Muslim and Leaving Islam is punishable by Death...
I am not sure we knew the extent of the Horrors Stalin imposed on his own people until after the War...(The New York Times described Stalin as an "Agricultural Reformer...the same way they described William Ayers the other day as an Educational Reformer,,,gee,,,can;t they get any story right?) But with Hitler responsible for 25 Million Deaths (of which only 11 million were Combatants) and Stalin perhaps just as many ...I'm just as glad to not have been born a Russian...at least not then...
"The Death of one man is a tragedy, the deaths of millions is a statistic" Josef Stalin
It appears as if Snow Wolf is back with over-reaching posts that fail to take into account the particular context of the situation while he cheerleads for Dubya, Cheney, & Co.'s neo-fascist governance. Thus, I will have to provide some:
the Uighurs have been a persecuted minority since the time of Mao. They practiced a fairly tolerant version of Islam, since their land Xinjiang has long been along the old Silk Road and any good trader knows that intolerance is bad for business. Like Tibet, the central government out of Beijing has been populating the country with Han Chinese and making the Uighurs second class citizens in their own land. Add in the tidbit the region contains mineral and oil, and it is fairly easy to see why the region is being fought over. Initially, the Uighur resistance was localized, but ever increasing repression by China has forced the Uighurs to seek out aid from where ever they can find it. The Chinese government has almost single-handedly driven the Uighurs into the arms of some very nasty types, thus we have the Uighur prisoners in Guantanamo Bay.
Well allow me to inquire how these fairly tolerant Muslims came to be captured on the Battlefield in Afghanistan?...I mean it isn't like we swooped into China and grabbed them...they were fighting with the Taliban...many Muslim "Foreign Fighters" are...
I don't think they are victims here...the problem is we can't find a Country willing to take their troublemakers back...so bring them here?...I think not...
I still feel not taking them alive is less of a headache when we have an insane Judiciary
You seemed to have glossed over a relevant point: the resistance of the Uighurs has gotten more desperate the more the Chinese repressed them. As was the case with the American Revolution, where we made common cause with France (an absolute monarchy at the time) & Spain (same as France) because they were willing to help us even though their form of government was totally incompatible with what we wanted. Now leap forward to present day and it is not a great leap to find Uighurs in Afghanistan in 2001 as the Taliban or Al Queda are willing to aid any Sunni insurgency in the form of training camps and sanctuary, particularly if it is against a "godless communist" Chinese government.
That opportunistic local Afghan warlords were willing to sell almost anyone whom the somewhat gullible American forces by branding them as "Talibani's" or "Al Queda" was rife as well.
As for our judiciary, they are finally applying the rule of law instead of the whim of our idiot son of an asshole posing as president. If you want a pliant judiciary whom follow the dictates of the head executive, I suggest you immigrate to China, Russia, or Belarus. Better yet, take a time machine and send in an application to Roland Friesler, you read like his kind of guy.
From what I have been able to read about these Guys they were trained to fight in a Taliban training camp but never got the opportunity...they have been taken out of the hardcore section of the incarceration unit at GITMO and put in a lesser holding area...we can't send them back to China and nobody else wants them...
But Luckily an Appeals Court Judge had a moment of lucid Sanity and is stopping the Lower Courts order to bring them here
America needs to be accountable for it's actions.
China is having a serious problem with the encroachment of Islam/Muslims into western China, along the border of Afghanistan
Kinda makes me wonder if Bin Laden is in fact in China, as many Latin American newspapers have been reporting since 2004