Months of troubled negotiations over new surveillance legislation ended in the House of Representatives today, with the approval of the so-called FISA Amendments Act of 2008. Hailed in some quarters as a "compromise" after the capitulation of the Protect America Act of 2006, the new surveillance bill is nothing of the kind: on core issues of privacy and accountability, there is no compromise, since little in the measure honors those two values.
Since the New York Times's revelation of massive illegal surveillance by the NSA, electronic privacy has been a battlefield for claims of executive power and civil liberties. In 2006, the Administration used the shadow of midterm Congressional elections to stampede both Houses into temporary authorization of sweeping new powers in the Protect America Act (PAA). The measure's grants of new authority had sunset clauses, which expire either immediately before or after the 2008 elections.The PAA set the scene for another legislative bait-and-switch: On the cusp of national election contests, the Administration rang alarms of crisis, claiming the nation is losing spying capabilities. Legislators inclined to protect civil liberties weighed their exposure to soft-on-security attacks against their allegiance to constitutional values. Either way--in terms of raw power or partisan advantage--the Administration and its supporters win.
House Democratic leadership agreed to support the measure--seemingly out of fear of losing conservative Democrats to an even weaker proposal. But it is the worst of both worlds. It contains just enough of a pretense of accountability to allow the legislators to claim a victory for civil liberties, as it sells out core principles of accountability and privacy.
Begin with accountability. Since the enactment of the PAA, the Administration and its allies have pushed for legislative immunity for the telecommunications companies that aided the NSA's illegal spying from 2001 until 2005. (Those companies are the defendants in multiple suits, presently consolidated before the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, challenging their complicity in past illegal wiretapping).
They argue that protection is necessary to ensure future cooperation, even though the telecoms were not deterred by the fact their past actions were clearly in violation of federal law.
In fact, immunity is on the White House front burner for wholly different reasons: pending lawsuits against the telecoms are the best opportunity for the American public to learn what kind of illegal surveillance occurred under Bush's watch, and how existing law against warrantless wiretapping was circumvented. As bad as the telecoms will look, the Administration will look worse as more of its cynical and results-oriented reasoning and contempt for constitutional rights is fully aired.
At first blush, the new bill seems to be a fair compromise. Under Section 802, pending lawsuits are not automatically dismissed. They are not even moved to the secretive FISA court, as an earlier proposal would have done. Rather, the district court in each case is required to dismiss a case provided that a defendant telecom can show that it acted with the "authorization" of the President and also with a certain kind of "written request or directive." The bill then provides an elaborate description of that directive: it can be from the Attorney General, or the head of "an element of the intelligence community" (or from their deputy), and must say simply that the surveillance was determined to be lawful. The bill does not say who must have made this determination.
According to the a report in the Washington Post, this provision would give courts "the chance to evaluate whether telecommunications companies deserve retroactive protection from lawsuits." But the provision does nothing of the kind. Rather, the court can only look to see if the defendant has the piece of paper described in the law, and if it does, the court must dismiss the case. By interposing a certification requirement, and directing judicial attention to a piece of paper, the bill fends off judicial scrutiny of what in fact occurred.
And there is every reason to believe that the telecom defendants will have the necessary piece of paper. Indeed, there is every reason to believe that the bill has been carefully written to track the precise piece of paper the telecoms have--otherwise, why list both the Attorney General and the heads of intelligence community elements? And why include the weird codicil about the deputies of one but not the other?
House minority whip Roy Blunt of Missouri has all but confirmed that the law was drafted to give the pretense of judicial review without the substance: "The lawsuits will be dismissed," Blunt explained, "and we feel comfortable that the standard of evidence that the law requires will be easily met."
The bill, in short, is worse than granting absolute immunity: it is an effort to suborn the legitimacy of the federal courts by having a judge rubber-stamp the dismissal of cases against the telecoms without looking at the substance of what, in fact, was done. It reduces the separation of powers to a check-the-box exercise.
The bill does no better on privacy matters--the question of new surveillance power. Title I of the measure grants the executive branch new surveillance powers for collecting the communications of persons overseas. Although it contains several provisions that purport to shelter Americans' privacy both at home and overseas, these parts of the bill are rendered irrelevant by the grant of sweeping collection authorization.
Under the bill, the government can create new surveillance programs, each lasting a year, that focus on "persons reasonably believed to be located outside the United States." Provided that spying agencies do not "intentionally target" someone "known" to be in the United States, or intend to target "a particular, known person reasonably believed to be in the United States" (and with some other minor caveats), large-scale acquisition of data is permitted.
To be sure, the bill then installs judicial review of such collection efforts--but the courts will not examine the actual surveillance programs, let alone individual cases of surveillance. Again, the bill interposes a certification requirement between the court and the facts.
Specifically, the role of judges is limited to ascertaining whether the Attorney General has completed a certification promising that either he has followed the law, or that he will follow the law soon. If the Attorney General cannot meet even this spectacularly low bar, the bill gives the government time to amend and to re-file the certificate. Something even Alberto Gonzales could manage.
This is a radical break from the FISA regime created in 1978, and risks severe harm to Americans' privacy interests. The most important break with FISA is the absence of any individualized warrant requirement: it is now whole collection programs that are authorized and reviewed. And the abandonment of discrete, individualized legislative authorization and judicial review is only the first of the bill's troubling features.
The new provisions also allow the government to create sweeping new programs that are formally targeted at overseas persons, but that predictably sweep in large. The provision's loose language about targets--who do not in fact have to be overseas, only reasonably believed to be overseas--gives the government substantial latitude in crafting the parameters of its searches. Past experience gives no cause for confidence on this point. If the bill is enacted, Americans could simply no longer have confidence that calls placed or received from abroad would be private.
Democrats have emphasized new Section 102, which affirms that the act is "the exclusive means" for electronic surveillance for national security ends. But this was the provision in the original FISA that the Bush Administration circumvented. Re-enacting a notional rule that has been flagrantly violated for half a decade, and whose violation continues to be defended and even celebrated, is hardly a victory for civil liberties.
All this is too high a cost in the phony war over privacy. Despite the repeated cries of crisis, there is no verifiable evidence--and nothing at all beyond the self-serving complaints of Bush Administration Cassandras--that the pre-PAA regime under the FISA Act was fundamentally flawed. If the PAA wholly lapses, it is certain that the nation's security will not collapse. When the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 passes the Senate--as it almost certainly will next week--we can be certain that it will be the privacy rights of Americans, and their ability to hold government accountable, that will suffer.
Aziz Huq directs the liberty and national security project at New York University's Brennan Center for Justice. He is co-author of Unchecked and Unbalanced: Presidential Power in a Time of Terror (New Press, 2007)
Copyright © 2008 The Nation
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48 Comments so far
Show AllWill all the DIMs that agreed with the capitulation,
__ ¿ raise both of their hands ? __
I knew it, ya just can't trust 'em to keep their word for even a second !
Bush: I want to chop both of your arms off.
Dems: Let's compromise. Is one arm enough for you, Mr. Bush, sir?
Bush: Well...OK.
Media: Isn't it great that the two parties can come together and reach a sensible, moderate, bipartisan compromise?
The law, the system, is in their hands far more than ours.
It's perverted, and it's getting worse every month.
It is time to work outside of their laws.
That is all they will understand.
OK here you go At&t Comcast and all the others, Georgie boy wrote you a sick note and now you don't have to go to that boring History Class. What a crock of $hit. Seems our Representatives are only concerned with "representing" monied interests! Just hand the judges these "get out of jail free" cards and they are forced to strike down the lawsuits!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!! I am totally disowning the democratic party. None of em deserve my vote. Ill be voting Green or Independent, or *possibly* Libertarian. But the problem with Libertarains is most of em are right wing nutjobs, Some are ok. anyways, i really hope the Greens can get 5% of the vote, We Really Need Public Funding Of Elections! i am so frecking sick of seeing the candidate with the biggest coffers win. Any Canadian chickadees out there that can help me move to Toronto? America is just getting too crazy. This one was the final straw that broke this camels back....i need to get out of this country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Terry-Faster, Thanks for your work. Found only one Mich member guilty of voting to the detriment of Justice in this capitulation to the Repubs. I will send him a sense of our outrage in this matter.
Hoyer doesn't seem to concerned about loosing the liberal wing of the party!
Hey Obama , how do you spell Nader? Somebody needs to make it clear to Axlerod that hes playing with fire if the Senate and its leadership don't table this legislation till after the elections. They can then have hearings on the telecommunication officers and get to the bottom of who's rights were compromised.
I agree with Uncommondreamer. Qwest was the only major telecom to follow the law and their CEO was punished with a political prosecution. http://harpers.org/archive/2007/10/hbc-90001415
The corruption has many layers and both parties are complicit.
Words are Important,
I agree. All of the words and time spent on progressive? CD, et al. Nothing will change by voting Republican or Democrat. Nothing. Ralph Nader is the only sensible choice for President. CD readers are supposed to be smart. How do most miss this point?
dlp67 June 22nd, 2008 12:34 pm
Try sending CD a donation. I did and I seem to be able to post anything no matter how outrageous or against the grain.
willybill, I LOVE the idea and site you have been posting,
http://www.votestrike.com/
I just emailed it to my whole list.
I'm surprised that no one else on CD seems interested so far. Maybe I'll go to other sites to spread the word.
Mass political action on 9/11/08. Brilliant. I avoided use of the Str word because an earlier posting of mine using that word has not been put up on CD. Not sure why.
Thanks for the great idea. Pass it on.
And a big special thanks to Colorado's Congressman Mark Udall for:
1. Voting for aiding these criminals in telco.
2. Voting to give 163 billion MORE dollars to this illegal murderous war.
3. NOT voting for a ban on primates trade.
What a fake this turkey is.
Democrats like this need to go – home.
Are you familiar with the WORLD JUSTICE PROJECT?
"The WJP working definition of the rule of law comprises four universal principles:
1. The government and its officials and agents are accountable under the law;
2. The laws are clear, publicized, stable and fair, and protect fundamental rights, including the security of persons and property;
3. The process by which the laws are enacted, administered and enforced is accessible, fair and efficient;
4. The laws are upheld, and access to justice is provided, by competent, independent, and ethical law enforcement officials, attorneys or representatives, and judges, who are of sufficient number, have adequate resources, and reflect the makeup of the communities they serve.
You can read more about this organization at: http://www.abanet.org/wjp/about.html
"By interposing a certification requirement, and directing judicial attention to a piece of paper, the bill fends off judicial scrutiny of what in fact occurred."
The goal of the US and other govenments around the globe is to promote capitalism, not democracy. Unlimited and "unaccountable" corporate power is incompatible with a Constitutional government, which is why the tyrants in Washington are making every effort to destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
It looks like the reincarnated Mussolini, now in the body of Berlusconi, Prime Minister of Italy, is also trying to extend his "executive" powers at the "expense of the judiciary". Like George Bush and his fellow minions in Congress, Berlusconi wants "immunity for holders of high office".
Constitutional Checks and Balances, anyone?! You can read the article at: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d166e99a-3f11-11dd-8fd9-0000779fd2ac.html It's a good read, clearly relflecting the intent of the "global corporate elite" to destroy constitutional democracies in every corner of the globe.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jun2008/cong-j21.shtml
The bill, the most sweeping overhaul of surveillance laws in 30 years, was submitted to a vote barely 24 hours after a deal was struck between the White House and the Democratic congressional leadership. It was approved with no hearings and virtually no debate, after months of secret negotiations.
The bill passed 293 to 129—with 105 Democrats, including Pelosi herself, voting in favor, as with the war funding bill joining forces with a near-unanimous Republican caucus.
Go Democrats! Go Obama!
Sorry..strike that....OFFENSIVE MOVES!
Turce June 21st, 2008 7:39 pm ...C'mon...of all people, I KNOW YOU are not a quitter......NUMBERS STILL HAVE THE POWER..Will we lose a few?..Sure..but look how many we have lost and are losing NOW, eh? WE cannot win a war defensively......time to make PASSIVE DEFENSIVE moves!
www.votestrike.com
Impeach those who refuse to Impeach!!!
Bush could never have asked for a better ally than Nancy Pelosi. She has prevented him from being impeached and has basically taken up the Bush cause whenever needed. She has become repugnent to most freedom loving americans who wanted justice and integrity in our government. What does she stand for? She has given him everything he wanted for the war, this pass on FISA and taken impeachment off the table. History will record her as major reason for the the fall of democracy and the rise of fascism in America.
history screams at us all, history, with the advent home access audio/video assets, now flashes , waves ,screams and splashes blood on our big screens, and still we remain deaf and blind to histories' lessons.
My progressive friends who eviscerated Hillary and Bill for their 'evil' political triangulating ways are learning that Obama and his political clan play the same game.
You may as well get used to it. The 'Change' candidate is going to play his game of Power Politics – the question is whether you still trust him after he betrayed you to get elected.
(That is 'IF' Obama survives the Republican attacks in a general election that is more conservative leaning than the Democratic Primary – hence the Democrat Political cover calculations in favor of giving away our privacy rights.)
Perhaps this election will help us all learn that voting is not about what a Candidate has to say or do to get elected but a question of trust – what does your gut tell you?
Last night, in a fit of anger and frustration, I dug up the names and contact information on the 105 "Democratic" traitors who voted to approve the latest version of the "Compromise FISA bill" -- which destroys our Fourth Amendment. I put the list on a website and will now go about "promoting" it. Ideally, with your help, we could bring this site to the attention of enough people to develop a viral network that could then gain enough critical mass among voters to remove these traitors.
Here is the site:
http://www.cloudbyte.com/traitors.html
Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are just as guilty of violating the rights of American citizens as Bush & Company, by simply refusing to pursue the issue of criminal activity by the administration.
Frankly, I am disgusted with Pelosi and Reid giving Bush & Company a green light to spy on Americans, providing retro-active immunity for the telecoms, and torturing prisoners.
If these serious offenses are allowed to pass without prosecution, it is just a matter of time before the issue comes up again... and who is to say that the next offenses won't be even worse.
I'm finally beginning to understand how Hitler and other people managed to stay in power so long... they had lots of help from people just like Pelosi, Reid, Leiberman and other Bush apologists.
FISA as it existed was fine........ The agencies involved had the right to place a wire tap immediately.... and had to justify it to the SECRET FISA court within 72 hours. A court that virtually never rejected such wire taps. 72 hours.. thats 3 days!! If the FBI or the administration felt that it was urgent enough to immediately place a tap, the logic that dictated that tap would also convince the court. That's pretty damn easy!! The Bush administration feels that having to justify a tap within 72 hours is to onerous..... having to justify it EVER is too much of a burden!! There is ONLY ONE LOGICAL REASON why this should be so...... And that is that taps are being used inappropriately to target those who the Administration considers PERSONAL enemies.... That is to say they are being used for political and personal purposes. This usage is CRIMINAL..... period.... end of story!! We have another "watergate" here.... are we afraid to expose it?
Howard
And let's not forget Nancy Pelosi's role in getting this passed. And where was Obama on this bill? Democrats, yech. I'd rather vote for a yellow dog then a Democrat.
Doom and Gloom thanx for your many great posts. lively up yourself. A self-proclaimed intellectual i get along best in a working class bar (mostly white, w/an occional black or 2, one a long time a friend). In a workin' class bar i hang out in, people are ready for a GENERAL frickin STRIKE!!!!!!!!!
I read all 59 pages of text from H.R.6304 and all that has to happen is Intelligence says, "Oh Dear, Me Oh My, we have a Security problem, a matter of National Security, we must surveill Joe Brown on Anywhere St, USA.", immediately you are wiretapped, email trapped and rat trapped. There is no recourse on a Citizens part. This, as they like to call it, FISA Amendments Act of 2008, it is we are screwed Act of Forever, well until 2012, anyway. Not to mention Physical Searches which is Amended in Section 107, Section 103, both contained in TITLE I., is how they do whatever they want to US citizens, like they have been doing. Section 704 under Title VII of the new bill because they struck Title VII of FISA from 1978, is how they grab US citizens OUTSIDE the USA, I s'pose we go to Syria if that happens. Then AT&T, VERIZON, SPRINT, COMCAST and any corporation they chose are cleared forever due to TITLE II. Sections 201 and 202. Why the hell do we even have the Fourth Amendment, this bill should be titled, DEFINITION, Short Title, The Strike Out, Completely Erase, Never Mention It, of the IV Amendment Amendment of 2008.
Now the cowards of the Senate will do the same shit, on their calender, # 816, I think that's the correct calender number. Complicit Congress that were aware of this bullshit and let it go on are too frightened because they will be implicated. Terrorists! Darrell Issa should have the living shit kicked out of him, I'd be happy to do it.
Now try to see if it fits Canada. It doesn't. It fits Mexico better. It does not fit France, or Haiti or Bangladesh. The US really is special. What other country does fit right now?
Yes, it fits and we in Canada with our present Religious Right administration are right behind you marching in lockstep.
While we all have our own definitions and weightings and I would probably modify/add to the 14 points a little I think it is a good summary and no, I don't care whether Lawrence Britt has a doctorate or not or whether he should have included other dictatorships such as Stalin or Kim Jong-il etc. or any other pedantic nitpicks.
I posted this under a different article.
I have my father who is a republican on one side whose only reason for voting republican is because he doesn't want a democrat…
…and my brother on the other side who is only voting democrat because he doesn't want a republican.
Both are against the war, both would like to see corporation corruption prosecuted, both want to see the US acting as protectors of freedom and liberty, and both are honest decent people.
When I mention Ralph Nader to them they both vehemently oppose the prospect of his presidency or even talking about his platform.
Of course, if I can't provide good arguments to my own family members to have them consider the possibility of voting outside the 2 mainstream party, I realize the obstacle to have it happen on a national level.
But what I also see in both their cases is a disconnect from what they want, and who they support.
The corporate structure (elite class) will continue to use propaganda, lies, fear to ensure that people will vote for one of the two choices, and marginalize those that are working for a third party.
From slavery, serfdom, capitalism to whatever the next regime will be called, the masses have been controlled by the elite few to their own detriment, and they go along willingly. Oppression can come in many forms, including democracy.
And while none of us are perfect, there are many who are not willing to kill, cheat and lie to get what they want.
First and foremost, human rights for all. Any business or political or social decision that goes against basic human rights should be viewed as unacceptable in a society based on peace and justice.
Oh yeah, one more thing, Ralph Nader for president.
It fits.
How many of the following fit this good old US of A?
American Fascism
Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14-defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. TOP
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Does it fit?
Wonder who else will get blanket immunity for breaking laws because they "thought" their actions were legal because the President said so, and the President said so because he "thought" the actions were legal because a cult member serving "at his pleasure" told him they were, even though all involved knew for a fact that said actions were wholly illegal...?
How about - Blackwater is subcontracted to assist with "peace and security" at the GOPathological Convention, where they gun down a dozen Ron Paul supporters whom they thought were about to attack. Turns out they thought gunning down unarmed protesters was legal because the President told them that it was because the next Yoo wrote an "opinion" that stated protesters are violent anti-American terrorists engaged in a "rebellion" against the US Government.
Arvy June 21st, 2008 12:12 pm: "Considering that some 70% of intelligence "community" employees are mercenary contractors in the pay of private corporations that rely on U.S. Government handouts to pad their bottom line.."
Do they need a steady number of "suspects" to turn in in order to meet or exceed monthly quotas I wonder?
It seems to me that as former Soviet bloc countries like E.Germany etc. and indeed Russia itself embrace greater freedom the USA is going the opposite way to a Stasi like state.
A small anecdotal example of that is that you are completely free to take pictures around the Kremlin and those breathtaking marble metro stations in Moscow but at Union Station, USA photography is banned.
Does everything go in cycles?
dwyerj1 said: "I wonder how Osama does it?"
Osama does it by being DEAD... Long Dead... he's just being kept 'alive' in the media so the government has a boogie-man to trot out as needed.
Doom n Gloom June 21st, 2008 2:52 pm "The dance band on the Titanic, playing nearer my God to thee"...Chapin.....
A few of us MUST hang in there to the end.......spiritually, there is no other choice for some of us.
Strangely enough, it's not even a question of patriotism. I can't give it a name.
Haven't heard a peep out of old DD. I suspect he's preaching the gospel to a cemetary in Chicago, where the Dim's get to vote from the afterlife (such as it is). I bet they believe and applaud everything DD says. Dim's are perverse like that. Almost as much fun as watching them eat their own.
Americans will get their country back someday, after the Oligarchy is finished with it, and most Americans are dead. They will die from a third world life expectancy of maybe 45 years (for the plebs, 90-110 years for the Oligarachy-because they're the blessed of Jahweh, and 70-90 years for the Overseers - because they serve the blessed of Jahweh)combined with 3000 miles of poisoned waterless smoking rubble.
We were always a minority here and around the globe, but then, so was the Oligarchy. They made their case using all the means at their disposal, we didn't.
We failed to convince "Americans" to make a place for everyone at the table and to reject war and conquest.
Because, that meant they would have to give up Aryan Male Supremacy and Gender Slavery (can't be 'up' if somebody ain't down) and the booty, slaves, and captive markets produced by our wars.
America didn't want Black People, minorities in general, and WOMEN in particular to have any place at the table at all, they just flat refused.
That meant America got her oligarchy back with a bullet. By 1964 they were nearly dead as a social class because of FDR's Tax Policy: 90% on earned income over $6mn (adjusted for inflation), 53% on unearned income, and 50+% on mega-estates. That policy combined with support for Unions, and Corporate regulation with teeth produced the greatest distribution of wealth ever seen with the end of poverty and lifetime stable employment on the horizon. Threw it away like rejecting a disease.
Didn't want the leisure time, not if it meant living and working next to and going to school with Black People. Not if it meant the woman could make as much or more than any male. Not if it meant women and minorities had full economic and biological self-determination. Was terrified of the decisions that Freedom requires; mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual. RAN AWAY. Instead, white america went down on all fours and gave Master their ass.
Always remember, you have the resources to support your internet connection, you have the leisure time and inclination to read and even comment. You are at least modestly or even well educated, you think about your world and your life and how you live it. I suspect most manage this without tarot readings, ascended masters, astrology, or auguring the entrails of small animals. America is not like you. Never was. And now it looks like they never will.
America has given itself to familiar demons. And no, these were not 'conscious' decisions made in the pre-frontal lobes. Humanity does not make these decisions from that place. They are made in the place where core programming is installed. That's why the rationalizations make no sense and the violence escalates instantly to hysteria when challenged. Master got there first, pulled all the right strings and we had no alternative but 'rationality'. That's got to tell you something. Among other things, why there has never been much a of place for you here. Yes?
Sorry. It is the doom of men that we forget.
"I'm glad you speak only for yourself….Many of us have yet to surrender to resignation"
Hey Willybill, just callin'em as I see'em, not speaking personally. Our populace is made up of happy little self indulgent fascists. Try to talk reality to them and you get crossed eyes and a brain freeze as a response. The ship is sinking fast and the passengers want to talk sports! lol...
wise guy June 21st, 2008 1:22 pm:
'"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
That quotation is often attributed to Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), but I've read somewhere (maybe here at CommonDreams.org?) that he stole it from someone.'
There is no proof that he ever said that nor is there is there anyone else credited with making that statement. However, this is often refered to as a "definition" of Fascism, and is often attributed to Mussolini.
He did say this:
The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporate, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organised in their respective associations, circulate within the State.
More to the point, in view of recent developments, he also said this:
"The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State--a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values--interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people."
In the "Democratic" "compromise" there is nothing democratic. And of course what they have done (and have been doing for a long time) is better described as complicity in shredding our constitution.
You wanna still vote for Obama from this Complicit Party? GO ahead. I'll vote for anyone but the two parties.
I guess if anyone wants privacy, he's got to get completely off the grid: no internet, no driving, no flying, no buying, no workplace communication--stay at home behind whatever walls you can afford to erect.
Hard life, off the grid. But rather than being in stage-voice mode all the time, we could just get used to the all-seeing eye of Homeland "Security" Information Awareness office and its intrusive focus. Might as well give up clothes and window coverings, too. Oh my grace, there's no hiding place. I wonder how Osama does it? Guess it depends on keeping the right friends.
I'm afraid I have to side with Doom n Gloom on this one.
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
That quotation is often attributed to Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), but I've read somewhere (maybe here at CommonDreams.org?) that he stole it from someone.
In any event, it should be clear now if it wasn't already that we have a truly representative government here in the U.S. The problem is that it doesn't represent us, the people. It represents the interests of the corporations. The truth could not be plainer or more undeniable, but most of the sheeple don't want to face up to the fact that we're not drifting towards fascism, we're not living in a proto-facist state, but fascism is here and now.
Maybe if the price of a gallon of gasoline reaches $10 and electricity becomes to scarce to keep TVs going and to keep beer cold, the sheeple may then begin to wise up.
Doom n Gloom June 21st, 2008 12:38 pm ..I'm glad you speak only for yourself....Many of us have yet to surrender to resignation...........................
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Actually there is no longer any "We the People." There exists only a divided and largely uninformed people known only as "We the Consumers." We the Consumers are further divided by degrees of selfishness and purposeful ignorance. We the Consumers have accepted consumer goods in trade for liberty and seem content with it. No amount of war crimes, crimes against humanity, usurpation of power, or lawlessness is enough to awaken us. We prefer to believe the propaganda that America is the greatest democracy in the world. The Big Lie is necessary for our psychological well being. No amount of hardship experienced by other Americans is enough to move us. Only when hardship effects us will we awaken and then immediately surrender following the lead of the Congress. We have become weak minded pathetic consumers and WalMart is our God. A revolution unguided by common purpose is merely anarchy. Welcome to the real America.
What kind of message is Congress sending to TelCos like Quest Communications, which refused the administration's request to violate Americans' right to privacy and came down on the side of respect for the Constitution?
When my father was growing up, the family kept a tea cosy over the telephone at all times. Of course, the family was in Berlin, my grandfather was there on behalf of the American Friends Service Committee, and it was 1938.
Some things never change.
I'm not sure whether everone fully appreciates all of the implications involved. It should be clearly understood that this will effectively provide carte blanche to spy on Americans.
Under this bill, U.S. intelligence agencies will be allowed to issue broad orders to U.S. phone companies, ISPs and other online service providers to cough-up all communications if it is "reasonably believed" to involve non-citizens outside the country. To boot, the plethora of spy agencies who make up the U.S. intelligence "community" will neither be bothered by naming their "targets" nor will they have to obtain prior approval by any court to continue their driftnet-style surveillance.
In other words, under terms of H.R. 6304 one American or the entire internet could be subject to warrantless surveillance and intrusive data-mining by state actors or private spooks. Considering that some 70% of intelligence "community" employees are mercenary contractors in the pay of private corporations that rely on U.S. Government handouts to pad their bottom line, the bill drives another nail in the coffin of privacy and individual rights while furthering the already-considerable transformation of the former American Republic into a post-Constitutional "New Order."
The Democratic "compromise" overturns longstanding rules of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act under which the government was compelled to obtain court approval and individual warrants if an American's communications were to be monitored.
In the words of ACLU Washington Legislative director Caroline Fredrickson:
"This bill allows for mass and untargeted surveillance of Americans' communications. The court review is mere window-dressing -- all the court would look at is the procedures for the year-long dragnet and not at the who, what and why of the spying. Even this superficial court review has a gaping loophole -- 'exigent' circumstances can short cut even this perfunctory oversight since any delay in the onset of spying meets the test and by definition going to the court would cause at least a minimal pause. Worse yet, if the court denies an order for any reason, the government is allowed to continue surveillance throughout the appeals process, thereby rendering the role of the judiciary meaningless. In the end, there is no one to answer to; a court review without power is no court review at all. The Hoyer/Bush surveillance deal was clearly written with the telephone companies and internet providers at the table and for their benefit. They wanted immunity, and this bill gives it to them.
Shut it down..It's happening all over Europe...there are now 10 miles of trucks lined up in Albany.....THIS IS OUR ONLY WAY TO REAL CHANGE....
We the People still have the power......
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