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Attorney General Eric Holder announced Friday that some top al-Qaeda 9/11 conspirators will be tried by jury in New York not far from the scenes of devastation that they had wrought.
This decision by the Obama administration demonstrates faith in the American way of life, and a conviction that even the worst mass murderers can be dealt justice by democratic institutions.
Predictably, Republican critics vowed to fight the decision, since they much prefer to hold people forever without trial while torturing them, sort of the way some English kings did in North America before there was that pesky American constitution. In fact, on a whole range of issues, the contemporary Republican Party is a party of medieval romanticism. Its disquisitions on when the human person begins are theological in character and rooted in assumptions even a lot of medievals would have questioned. Its faith that bankers would never steal from us and so do not need to be regulated is a form of mysticism that medievals would have applied to saints. And its fascination with arbitrary arrest and imprisonment and with torture more recalls the star chambers of yore than the deliberations at Philadelphia over 200 years ago.
Let us listen not to John Boehner of Ohio but to a Founding Father, Thomas Jefferson:
' "I consider [trial by jury] as the only anchor ever yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Paine, 1789. ME 7:408, Papers 15:269 '
Or here is John Adams:
"Representative government and trial by jury are the heart and lungs of liberty." - John Adams (1774)
Many Republicans oppose not only jury trials but even habeas corpus for the prisoners at Guantanamo (the right to apply to a court judge to be produced in court so that the authorities are forced to justify the prisoner's imprisonment). They do so on supposed national security grounds, just as the British kings used to. In fact, of course, these prisoners have no fresh information on plots and cannot possibly know anything of value to any contemporary terrorists at large, since they have been sequestered for so many years.
Here is what Thomas Jefferson had to say about the suspension of rights such as habeas corpus on national security grounds:
' "Why suspend the habeas corpus in insurrections and rebellions? The parties who may be arrested may be charged instantly with a well defined crime; of course, the judge will remand them. If the public safety requires that the government should have a man imprisoned on less probable testimony in those than in other emergencies, let him be taken and tried, retaken and retried, while the necessity continues, only giving him redress against the government for damages. Examine the history of England. See how few of the cases of the suspension of the habeas corpus law have been worthy of that suspension. They have been either real treasons, wherein the parties might as well have been charged at once, or sham plots, where it was shameful they should ever have been suspected. Yet for the few cases wherein the suspension of the habeas corpus has done real good, that operation is now become habitual and the minds of the nation almost prepared to live under its constant suspension." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1788. ME 7:97 '
Al-Qaeda number 2 Ayman al-Zawahiri mocked the US that real liberty ". . . is not the freedom of Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib." The Republican way of dealing with terrorists gave enormous propaganda tools to al-Qaeda.
Obama just took those propaganda tools away from the enemy and began the process of repairing America's reputation and its fidelity to its own ideals.
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Show All"Obama just took those propaganda tools away from the enemy and began the process of repairing America's reputation and its fidelity to its own ideals."
Considering Glen Greenwald's analysis this is just neo-nationalist garbage.---though the quotes from Jefferson are good .... but, "propaganda tools away from the enemy" implies that there actually is a "war on terror"....it sounds like something from 1984...
My thoughts as well. No matter how the media tries to spin things, we the people always end up getting the business end of the government screwdriver.
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I think you nailed it pretty well Rich M.Bagram and Gitmo are still there nothing has changed except the name of the "conflicts".I think we are descending to the status of a "Banana" republic Honduras comes to mind. peace
and don't forget extrordinary rendition--so let's not drink the "Obama is great" Kool Ade--he'sajust a continuation of Dumbya slightly less pale.
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Hi RichM--Do, please, post your comment at Juan's blog.
Nice run of comments there, many citing Greenwald's essay and POV as you did.
A gray-bearded emeritus professor of politics at Princeton, Sheldon Wolin, argues that we're becoming an "inverted totalitarian" society in his new book "Democracy Incorporated" I just bought. Have you heard of this concept before? At first glance, it looks like another way of expressing "corporate communism."
The continual shrinking of the real economy and lowering of living standards will make for a very interesting 2010 political season.
My economic prognosis for 2010 is grim for the USA as overcapacity continues to cause bankruptcies in the retail and service sectors where most people work, which means increasing unemployment and the continued slowing of money's velocity, while financial transactions mask GDP's decline rate. And the Great Recession will continue to be US-centric as China, India and other countries smartly responnd to their own stimulus measures (China has resumed its 9%+ growth rate) and can now rely on their own internal markets to drive growth--The USA's exalted positions as "consumer of last resort" and "lynch-pin of the global economy" no longer exist.
Fine enough post, and Cole does omit much. I think you're unfortunately right about the trials in NYC being show trials for propaganda ..., as you explained.
I don't see how the "mastermind" who was tortured 183 times in 2003 or 2004, alone, can really be considered guilty, now, after all of this torture; unless he made this claim, being the "mastermind", before this torture began, which I doubt he did.
The 9-11 Commission inquiry [definitely] needs to be done again, this time with thorough honesty, with no more obstructions from the President, VP, and the CIA, as happened the first time, which produced a report that several or most of the commissioners [denounced] as being ... crap, while some of them seriously blamed the Pres., VP and CIA for all of their obviously criminal obstructions of due process of inquiry.
That is the most important need right now and if conducted, then some very dark and disturbing (for many Americans who haven't carefully studied the 9-11 attacks research) truths will surely be found. There've been bogus 9-11 "truthers" coming out with bogus "conspiracy theories", which appeared to be for the purpose of publicly discrediting the real "truthers"; but the latter have well survived and continue to push for a new and wholly truthful inquiry, and the least all of these people agree with is that the Bush admin. either let the 9-11 attacks happen, deliberately so, or did something worse; like having been behind the attacks happening, including in the sense of orchestration. Otherwise, not all "truthers" claim to believe more, while some have seriously researched and have presented some strong "conspiracy theories", which will be very difficult to find any corporate news media people writing about other than in derogatory terms; because they want to maintain their incomes, related social benefits, and pensions, instead of being promptly fired for being critically objective and truthful in their reporting.
I don't like the idea of the five Guant. Bay detainees being tried in NYC under U.S. federal law, that is, not if this will be a trial by a jury of U.S. citizens, for too many citizens probably would not really provide a fair hearing; they'd blindly or hastily convict. From what I have gathered, such convictions would mean the death penalty. So if it's trial by jury of citizens, then these citizens had better be impartial, politically, and really in other respects, as well. I'd prefer a trial by international jury, yet the Hague was used to assassinate former Yugoslavian President Milosevic, and international authorities credibly saw to making sure that Yasser Arafat died. Whether or not the latter is what happened is not something I can be absolutely certain about, but it credibly is what happened and I suspected this immediately. In the case of President Milosevic, it was obvious that the Hague was used to assassinate him, "gently", as opposed to brutally shooting him in the head or hanging or electrocuting or gassing him, which wouldn't have made good publicity for the U.S. and its allies.
Juan Cole refers to the Repub. party being guilty with regards to the GWoT torture practices and corruption with banks, but the Repub. Party is not solely guilty in either of these cases. We know that the Dem. Party also is very guilty and that there's nothing new about this.
By declaring the factions that joined to fly planes into the towers the enemy in a WAR, the Bushites elevated them in importance 100 fold.
So whoever most of these men are, and I believe all were captured in Pakistan, not on some fictitious "battlefield," they are raised in status to 'combatants' rather than possible co-conspirators in a murderous act.
Perhaps it served the purposes of Cheney and company, but for the interests of the American people, this characterization of those on trial was stupid beyond measure.
Wise up Juan.
The fair trial given to KSM is being used to stealthily cement a system of unfair trials for everyone else.
Little noticed or reported yesterday was Eric Holder's other announcement that some detainees would be tried before bogus Military Commissions.
It's rather apparent that the anger of the John Boehner's of the world is less than genuine.
Obama is doing the dirty work, constructing the illegitimate Military Commissions that the dimwitted Bush was unable to. Obama's past life as a Constitutional Professor provides him perfect cover to erect America's new kangaroo court. The fascist right is more than happy to let Obama do the heavy lifting.
The tantrum the regressives are throwing is a diversionary charade for the appetites of television audiences.
When Jeb or Sarah takes the Presidency in 2012 they'll have Obama to thank for a justice system that allows them to achieve a pre-determined outcome of guilt or imprisonment in ANY CASE they desire.
KSM is merely the distracting headline act. His guilt is all but certain anyway.
The real prize is a beautiful new justice system that always works in favor of the king!
Here's a link to an excellent article in yesterday's Common Dreams line-up:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/11/13-4
Glenn Greenwald sure nails it....
Juan, what about our continuing to torture prisoners at Bagram? Guantanamo is in the spotlight, but Bagram is out of sight, out of mind.
Lovely. zmann you out there? Yesterday on CD I praised Juan Cole, now this effing piece. Obomba & the "American way of life?" WTF? I choked, BUT, but, Cole's ramblings about the Rethugs were 100% true.
Even sham trials are far better than torture in unnamed holes.
Juan in this piece manages to be dead on re the thugs, but ruins it by sounding cheerleaderish re BO.
Darn, and Juan's column yesterday/Informed Comment (m-f by Juan,) was QUITE Lovely!
Even sham trials are far better than torture in unnamed holes.
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Eeek! No offense, azjoe, since I know you're not one of those fatuous "half-full" finger-waggers who turn up here occasionally.
But I hope you're being sarcastic, because even by inane "half-full" standards, this one's a stretch!
· Yr Obd't Servant
Hi, no OS, I meant not in principle, both lack any.
I meant though 2 things,
1.) Torture anywhere is heinous and the 1st concern is the tortured. If they are being tried in NY, sham or fair, they are not being tortured. Yeah!
2.) Something well may come to light. These guys will have great lawyers. Who will have investigators. Who will get tips. From around the globe.
Thus, I stand by my declaration. As would anyone being tortured. The horror.
Now OS, no offense, but if you can put a logic to your questioning of my serious comment, (not sarcastic,) please do; since I know you think carefully, I look forward to it.
(I too posit that Obomba wants his ass re-elected and is planning to have Holder embarrassing bush's torture lawyers & others just b4/during yhe '12 campaign; this sham trial would factor into that correctly, time & logic wise.
Now that you mention it, I see what you mean. I apologize for my hasty comeback.
I probably have to plead guilty to first-degree hypervigilance regarding the persisent inane attempt to find redeeming positives that is such a staple in political discussion boards (and the articles being discussed).
You know, the kind of Pangloss 'n Polyanna syndrome that causes delusional thought and irrational behavior, e.g. agreeing that a party [cough-Democratic-cough] or candidate [cough-cough-cough-cough] may indeed have fallen like a chicken sandwich into an outhouse toilet, but the thing to do is fish it right back out again to check which parts are still EDIBLE!
Anyway, my knee-jerk reaction was too harsh. I take your point.
· Yr Obd't Servant
OS, You have the capacity friend, to drop me; I'm still laughing. And I certainly share your horror at the thought, visceral reaction to the notion, that any of these clowns we elect have ever known a Redeeming Quality, or committed a Non-Criminal Act. Which they've not. Bred in lairs, they only slink through light briefly when the smell of corruption and money opens their eyes, quickly they find their way back to damp, darknesss, D.C., where they gorge on human flesh, flesh only fed though, only fattened though.....on chicken sandwiches...
OS, sire, I await thy direction.
This piece isn't too bad imho. Hopefully the trials will shift some people away from the mentality that we need go to out and blow shit up and kill innocent people every time we're attacked. Glenn Beck has been very bloodthirsty this week, expressing near delight at the execution of the DC sniper, and demanding that Major Hasan be executed once found guilty. He also said our troops should have just murdered KSM on sight, and called for "all hairy-back terrorists" to be waterboarded and executed. It's a disgusting perspective that needs to be kicked out of our discourse.
Good lord. Beck is just out of control.
One pre-ordained theatre,how many pre-ordained secret theatres?The rest to rot,to exist at bagram or gitmo for to die would set them free.Justice indeed but for whom?Wont be able to believe cole again.Tony
Well Juan makes a good case for these trials and for the return of habeas corpus. But as for justice, there really is no real justice unless it is an always and not sometimes phenomena. And justice should fit the crime whether it is the killing of 3,000 citizens in an act of terror, or the killing of 1,000,000 Iraqi citizens in an illegal act of war (state terror). And do we really know who was really responsible for 9/11. Was it allowed to take place so that the neocons could have their "Pearl Harbor" moment? Why was so much of what happened that day covered up by the fake government sponsored investigations that played out? The death of innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan have continued under Obama. No one has clean hands anymore. This trial that is about to take place does not excuse the totally corrupt American enterprise that followed 9/11 and still persists. We are well past due a lot of trials... of people with American names... a good number of whom should be public officials elected and put into office by American citizens.
Bring America Back !!!!
****Sir Goldman, Please stop confusing Juan Cole with the facts, truth, and
actual history. Allow Cole to cling to the coat-tails of Prez Obama and his
figurehead Attorney General !! Mostly, let us pretend we don't know all of those
Detainees were Waterboarded into becoming "Masterminds" !!
***You see, the military-industrial complex knew Osama bin Laden would not hold
up forever as their 9/11 "Patsy", so they really did need to come up with other
alternative "Patsies", er please excuse====Masterminds !!!!
Juan Cole is following the MSM talking points by praising this sham trial while figuratively waving the American flag and ignoring the torture used to extract confessions. Does Juan think the defendents will be able to address the torture they endured? Will the torturers will be proscecuted? Oh, we can't talk about that. As Obama says, we can't waste energy and time pursing the torturers and their accomplices. But Obama has no problem going after the victims of torture.
Read the other related articles and comments posted on CD the last 2 days. This trial is a sham with predetermined results. Atty Gen Holder won't even concede the freedom of defendents in case of acquital. And just what kind of "mastermind" does it take to plan to buy a pair of box cutters? Is the defendent the one that threatened the US prior to 9/11 because among other reasons, our foreign policy in the Middle East? I thought that was Osama bin Laden.
The defendents could be guilty, but we will never know because the US has lost its credibility in every aspect of the so called war on terror.
Bring America Back !!!!..........!!... Let us not be too over critical of Prez Obama and AG Holder since , if Trials
become a reality===any Lawyer worth his Defense will track
back to Building #7, WTC on 9/11.
****Questioning of the Waterboarded "Masterminds" will go something like: Are you familiar with Bldg #7? Answer from the "Masterminds" is: Yes, thats the one we did not fly
jumbo jets into.
Fine, but as we rejoice at our goodness in "giving" Khalid Sheikh Mohammed a trial, let's
not forget that not only have tortured this man for years, but his children, who were in U.S. custody, have disappeared. Or been disappeared.
And from Bush administration lawyer John Yoo, we know that "there was no law" prohibiting torture of children to influence their parents.
I am not rejoicing about Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's "trial," because I think it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black: the Bush administration and their Democratic enablers in Congress should already have been hauled off to The Hague.
From Amnesty International, Canada:
In September 2002, Yusuf al-Khalid, then nine years-old, and Abed al-Khalid, then seven years-old, were reportedly apprehended by Pakistani security forces during an attempted capture of their father, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Reports by other detainees indicate that the boys were ill-treated while in Pakistani custody. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was apprehended in March 2003 and was subjected to over three years of enforced disappearance, and to other torture and ill-treatment, by the US authorities before being transferred to Guantánamo Bay, where he is currently held.
After Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's arrest in March 2003, Yusuf and Abed Al Khalid were reportedly transferred out of Pakistan to US custody -- allegedly for questioning about their father's activities and to be used as leverage to force their father to co-operate. A Sunday Telegraph (UK) article in March 2003 alleged that CIA interrogators had detained the children and that one official explained that: "We are handling them with kid gloves. After all, they are only little children...but we need to know as much about their father's recent activities as possible. We have child psychologists on hand at all times and they are given the best of care." In the transcript of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's Combatant Status Review Tribunal in March 2007, he indicates knowledge that his children were apprehended and abused: "They arrested my kids intentionally. They are kids. They been arrested for four months, they had been abused." Their whereabouts remain unknown.
What a crock. We have no idea whether or not those being tried are, in fact. 9/11 "co-conspirators." I haven't seen any evidence against KSM. Of course, in a legitimate legal system, these defendants would be acquitted because the delays for a fair trial have long since expired.
I cannot but reject the kind of easy approval that is sometimes voiced by people like Juan Cole and Fareed Zakaria at half-moral attempts at settlement of very difficult issues. I find myself more in harmony with the type of analysis that Chria Hedges offers.
It is imperative that the Al Qaeda 9/11 conspirators be brought to trial, and the issue of this being done in military commissions, military courts, or civilian courts in New York or elsewhere on US soil is secondary. It is NOT acceptable to hold them imprisoned indefinitely and subject them to torture sporadically, as Juan Cole soundly argues. However, to represent this as a moral stance deserving of near-self-congratulations is, to me, outrageous. The 9/11 atrocity was not a monstrous act of terrorism committed in a vacuum. There were well-known events leading to them, notably the manipulation of mujahideen fighters in Charlie Wilson's War. This does not excuse that, but the near-self-congratulatory tone of Juan Cole's opinion piece might mislead those who do not read Juan Cole regularly to infer that he is satisfied that America can redeeem itself without ALSO bringing to justice the perpetrators of the subsequent atrocities that were sequels of 9/11 (the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and the prolonged Af-Pak war) .
A few days ago, I was filled with despair at reading the statement of Egypt's Grand Mufti, Ali Gomaa on the Fort Hood tragedy/atrocity as I compared it to a Washington Post "On Faith" opinion column by Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite. Ms. Thistlethwaite factors into her analysis the psychological/psychiatric dimensions of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) that, very likely, tilted major Hasan over the delicate balance between sanity and the PTSD abyss. She brings to bear on the analysis her own experience at helping psychologically-disturbed persons, and her painful decision to quit lest she herself tips over.
Grand Mufti Gomaa, by contrast, seemed to me to have too detached, uncompassionate a view of the tragedy. He does not consider the possibility that Hasan might himself have been a victim of the tragedy, a tragedy that does not deflect from the atrocity of his act(and, if proved mentally capable at the time of the act, its barbarity) . The courts will judge.
But, I have been hurting badly to hear almost all Muslim preachers, including the Imam leading the Friday prayers at the mosque where I regularly pray, directly or indirectly condemn Hasan as not being a true Muslim. I just cannot subscribe to this self-flagellation. We just don't have all the facts yet, we don't know the Major's mental state at the time he committed the atrocity. To me, there is not enough humanism in this haste to condemn: to me, it is this less-than-profound morality that is irreligious, un-Islamic.
Well-stated, Fuzzytruthseeker!
I agree, of course.
As it happens, I must be one of a microscopic handful of Amerikans who doesn't pretend to know what really happened at Fort Hood.
Yes, there are enough seemingly-reliable "dots" to connect and add up to evoke the usual Lone Nut scenario vis-à-vis Hasan. And THAT conclusion, however tentative and provisional, opens the floodgates for a tsunami of speculative analysis from ALL directions: from the hysterical wingnuts' Hasan the Islamofascist Terrorist to the relatively sympathetic Hasan the Victim of the System.
My own inclination would be to favor the "victim" theory. But I refuse to buy into the virtually instantaneous "cut and dried" theories created by the frenzied and insatiable media.
Madness or badness? IMO, the irrational compulsion to rush to "figure it all out" and take a position is very much a part of the problem. There's no time to sift, weigh, contemplate, and test ideas against both one's intellect AND heart, i.e. humanity.
Instead, people and governments hysterically seize the lowest common denominator of consensus and run with it, discourse be damned.
· Yr Obd't Servant
>>But, I have been hurting badly to hear almost all Muslim preachers, including the Imam leading the Friday prayers at the mosque where I regularly pray, directly or indirectly condemn Hasan as not being a true Muslim
Your point well taken but it my belief this rush by Muslim Imams to condemn Hasan out of hand before garnering all the facts is one of fear. The State called the United States of America has them on watch and is seizing the assets Of Mosques and temples based on spurious "Links to terror"
Peoples like Glen Beck incite hatred against Muslims at large by suggesting they first must demonstrate no links to terror if they are to run for Public office.
These Muslim Imams fear even more backlash against their community unless they come out and demonstrate their "Loyalty to the State" openly.
I do not agree with their reasoning but can certainly understand it.
Gw; temple's assets siezed? Where Jews worship? In the US?
I'd be shocked into an ER. Now mosques? Quite different. Are they not illegal?
It looks like Cole has been made "an offer he couldn't refuse"....
Cole can be carried away by his Americanism, I fear. This isn't the first time, but it is by far the least disturbing. Evidently he can't see what is wrong with setting up a show trial where New Yorkers can take revenge on those they blame for what happened, using evidence obtained by torture. Better by far to have moved this trial to truly objective territory, the Hague, but that would have meant forgoing the ultimate act of American retribution - the execution. I sometimes wonder if any American now realises there is a profound and critical difference between revenge and justice.
Juan Cole initially supported Bush's invasion of Iraq. So right away you have to assume he is a big fan of using the empire's unbridled power to steal the weaker country's resources. He thought Iraq, a sovereign nation who did nothing to us, deserved to be invaded and occupied?
People who have been locked up, tortured, battered, and brain washed for seven years are not going to get a fair trial, no matter how many quotes from the "founding fathers" you use to patriot-wash it. This is to make Obama look good. It's more theater of the absurd, by the absurd, for the absurd. It'll be all absurdity, all the time. We'd better get used to it.
Now, what about investigations and trials against Bush&Congress' crimes? Is that next?
You are right.
I love those quotes from the "founding fathers". Anyone who has, as I have, read and studied those storied gentlemen knows they were supreme opportunists and experts in rhetoric. They, in fact, made it a political tradition to speak on both sides of an issue (at different times and forums, of course) so they could be quoted for, or against something as the "need" (the greed) arose.
It's high time the bowing and scraping to the founding fathers (see henry8 et al) like they were gods be labeled as bullshit. Those people were in it for THEIR life, liberty and Property, period. For the rubes, they wrote "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (nice and vague)". This a historical fact. The original words were "life, liberty and PROPERTY". For those who don't agree, study the HISTORY and background of the writing of the constitution and stop with the hero worship. You are being taken to the cleaners. Wake up henry8 et al. You have been fooled all your sad lives.
Or you can keep submitting to the authority of the rich and die for them.
if acquited, will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed be charged with wasting police time?
No. KSM would first be arrested for lying to Federal Torturers with false confessions then be billed for the water he used and their time.
Most folks are still barking up the wrong tree. And Juan Cole has an impressive enough resume that he will conclude his essay with such pap as:
"Obama just took those propaganda tools away from the enemy and began the process of repairing America's reputation and its fidelity to its own ideals."
[Pardon me while I throw up.]
And then mandatorily add some inspiring words by Thomas Jefferson and Juan Cole's Main Stream, wave-the-flag position is legitimized, and guarantees the stability and advancement of his career and more invites on MSM talk shows.
The true perpetrators of 9-11 are getting very nervous. The evidence is out there and mounting, and a lot of people are reading it and seeing it. So, yeah, put Sheikh Khalid Mohammed in some nutzed-up version of a trial. The man was waterboarded 183 times. NPR reported that a couple of days ago. How much is left of his brain and rational senses?
Obama is just another shill for the puppetmeisters, and he is playing the script on this fairly well, and excellently on the other scripts that keep the mayhem and transfer of monies to those who already have mega-monies percolating right along.
What a sad, sad waste of my vote and my reinvigorated hope.
Wake up. Study the multi-faceted evidence about 9-11 from a plethora of multi-faceted experts, including high-ranking military personnel.
And when you have a few days, take time to read this incredibly detailed history of 9-11, with lots of familiar names and the rationale for the planning and executing of this event on September 11, 2009.
www.scribd.com/people/documents/2169400-ep-heidner?popular=1
[Collateral Damage Part 1 and Part 2.]
We are an immoral nation dwelling in the abyss of dishonesty, greed, and conscienceless ambitions. A very, very dark place, and now the results are showing up everywhere.
Not so amazing that the huge flock of sheople always fall for what they want to hear. It's personally much more comfortable that way, and this is not a nation educated on Socratic dialogue [lots of questioning] or encouraged to be curious and imaginative.
[As a secondary-level English teacher in a very brief career, the NYS curriculum required me to teach "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow" in a six-week time slot. Six weeks for a story that took a maximum of a half an hour for students to read? My students were so relieved to find out that I thought that was totally insane. So instead we covered as much ground on other stories and books and ideas and philosophies as I could give them. The following year I was terminated, but ahhh ... twenty years later those same students honored me as their Best Teacher Choice and I was the speaker. No school officials attended that 20th Reunion. But from that class came some in-depth thinkers. That is reward enough.]
Time to stretch your comfort limits -- mind and heart -- if you want this nation to survive ... and the earth too. It's a little matter of our home planet.
If I turn you off for lecturing, it's because I am in an elder space, long in the tooth and impatient with pap and sheople minds. And I happen to care about the millions of people dead and the millions more suffering and the steady demise of the once-abundant earth I live on. The dying of the dream of fulfilling our nation's promise as a just and fair and generous and compassionate nation embracing all who come to her shores is a constant dirge playing in my ears. Instead ... greed, dishonesty, chicanery, unconscionable brutality and cruelty ... and apathy and indifference in most that you can cut with a knife.
Juan Cole gave you what many of you wanted to hear. So now ... go stretch your comfort limits and diligently seek the truth about 9-11.
... and if you haven't yet, read or reread Chris Cooper's marvelous essay from a couple of days ago for inspiration: IF ANY QUESTION WHY WE DIED, TELL THEM BECAUSE OUR FATHERS LIED. [... and they are still at it ... again! ... and again! ... and again! ...]
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A wonderful and heart-felt post, CM. Thank you!
Can you say "human sacrifice," boys and girls?
Having tortured these men, guilty or innocent, for years, Holder will bring them to New York for the most theatrical possible disposition of their case.
With all the visual backdrops from 9/11, commercial media will, for a price, assemble montages to create the impression that the perpetrators of the show trials and probable resultant murders have some basis in justice or in concern for the people of New York.
Years ago, some societies chose the poor, the deformed, or the disabled to take outside of town to slaughter.
Perhaps the rationale for judgement does not matter.
The president of the United States will mouth language to the effect that justice has somehow been served and the people protected. He won't shake a rattle or pass gitchie leaves over a body, I suspect, but the rationale of the silk suit remains about the same.
I'll believe there's a trial when the man goes free on the "technicality" of being tortured and illegally held for the better part of a decade, and at least a good part of the chain of command of his torturers get convicted in trial.
Note that this decision comes right after the 2nd US Circuit Court of appeals rejected a Canadian's effort to sue the US government after he was renditioned to Syria where he alleges he was tortured. The court said Congress would have to expressly allow such a lawsuit. This is ridiculous because politically speaking, our corrupt congress will never vote to allow such a lawsuit. That is where the court system is supposed to intervene. So much for our legal system.
It's too late to call it justice, besides
justice is an illusion,
instead a legal system,
words on paper
Have we figured out why they hate us yet?
I think some people are overthinking Juan Cole on this article.
To put it somewhat simplistically given the years of legalistic
rationalizations by so many about so much pertaining to those held illegally and tortured at Guantanamo, I suspect that Cole is merely saying, "better a trial than no trial." Thus perhaps the start of the RESTORATION OF THE RULE OF LAW.
That would be refreshing.
Also, given the tone of the LATimes article that leads Cole's article, I seriously doubt that this will be a kangaroo court, because the depth of the legal issues over the years has involved some of our best legal minds, and institutions.
My most serious misgivings about our legal system and what it represents is two-fold: the fact that John Yoo remains a professor at the Berkeley Law School, and that the Congress approved George W. Bush's nominees to the Supreme Court. Then there's that damned DAFT law one of our compatriots keeps bringing up, but that is a Congressional issue...
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It's all part of USan elites' secretive WAR ON LAW, under the cover of War on Terror. Darth Viper had the rule of law in the crosshairs for eight years while Demoks busily loaded his magazine with hundreds of billions of dollers.
OMR-Nice, thoughtful post. Wish I'd said it. joe.
Interesting that you can try people for a staged event. Since no "terrorists" had anything at all to do with 9/11 it's rediculous to try them. The ones that should be investigated and tried for the 9/11 event are:
George HW Bush
George W Bush
Dick Cheney
General Ralph Eberhart
Larry Silverstein
Condoleeza Rice
Prince Abdulaziz Bin Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud
If we had a really just government these people would be on the FBI'S most wanted list and since you only had 8 I would add Donald Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz.
Definition of "terrorist": label applied by freak in charge when convenient to have said person murdered.
Pretty much.