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The Looming Political War Over Afghanistan
There was a time, not all that long ago, when the U.S. pretended that it viewed war only as a "last resort," something to be used only when absolutely necessary to defend the country against imminent threats. In reality, at least since the creation of the National Security State in the wake of World War II, war for the U.S. has been everything but a "last resort." Constant war has been the normal state of affairs. In the 64 years since the end of WWII, we have started and fought far more wars and invaded and bombed more countries than any other nation in the world -- not even counting the numerous wars fought by our clients and proxies. Those are just facts. History will have no choice but to view the U.S. -- particularly in its late imperial stages -- as a war-fighting state.
But at least we paid lip service to (even while often violating) the notion that wars should be waged only when absolutely imperative to defending the nation against imminent threats. We largely don't even bother to do that any more. Consider today's defense of the war in Afghanistan from the war-loving Washington Post Editorial Page. Here's their argument for why we should continue to wage war there:
Yet if Mr. Obama provides adequate military and civilian resources, there's a reasonable chance the counterinsurgency approach will yield something better than stalemate, as it did in Iraq.
Does that sound like a stirring appeal to urgent national security interests? Why should we continue to kill both Afghan civilians and our own troops and pour billions of dollars into that country indefinitely? Because "there's a reasonable chance the counterinsurgency approach will yield something better than stalemate." One can almost hear the yawning as the Post Editors call for more war. We don't need to pretend any more that war, bombing and occupation of other countries is indispensable to protecting ourselves; as long as "there's a reasonable chance it will yield something better than stalemate," it should continue into its tenth, eleventh, twelfth year and beyond.
Of course, the reason the Post editors and their war-loving comrades can so blithely advocate more war is because it doesn't affect them in any way. They're not the ones whose homes are being air-bombed and whose limbs are being blown off. That's nothing new; here's George Orwell in Homage to Catalonia, describing (without knowing) Fred Hiatt in 1938:
The people who write that kind of stuff never fight; possibly they believe that to write it is a substitute for fighting. It is the same in all wars; the soldiers do the fighting, the journalists do the shouting, and no true patriot ever gets near a front-line trench, except on the briefest of propaganda-tours.
Sometimes it is a comfort to me to think that the aeroplane is altering the conditions of war. Perhaps when the next great war comes we may see that sight unprecedented in all history, a jingo with a bullet-hole in him.
This point was made equally well by Chuck Hagel today, in a Post Op-Ed, comparing his actual first-hand experiences in Vietnam to the ongoing waste in Afghanistan:
Too often in Washington we tend to see foreign policy as an abstraction, with little understanding of what we are committing our country to: the complications and consequences of endeavors. It is easy to get into war, not so easy to get out. Vietnam lasted more than 10 years; soon, we will slip into our ninth year in Afghanistan. . . .
The U.S. response, engaging in two wars, was a 20th-century reaction to 21st-century realities. These wars have cost more than 5,100 American lives; more than 35,000 have been wounded; a trillion dollars has been spent, with billions more departing our Treasury each month. We forgot all the lessons of Vietnam and the preceding history.
No country today has the power to impose its will and values on other nations. . . . Bogging down large armies in historically complex, dangerous areas ends in disaster.
That -- the luxury of viewing war "as an abstraction" -- is a perfect explanation for today's pro-war Post Editorial and for the more generalized willingness to continuously start and continue more and more wars, even in the absence of anything remotely approaching a "last resort" rationale. The question of whether the initial decision to invade Afghanistan was justifiable is completely distinct from whether it should have been made and, even more so, whether the occupation and war should continue.
There seems little doubt that a major political conflict over Afghanistan in imminent and inevitable. A newly released CNN poll yesterday revealed that opposition to the war is at "an all-time high" -- with 57 percent opposing the war and only 42 percent supporting it. Even more notably, 75% of Democrats and 57% of independents oppose the war. As Spencer Ackerman noted yesterday, support for Obama's war comes largely from the party of Rush Limbaugh and birtherism, "the people who want most to destroy Obama's presidency." The New York Times reported last week that "a restive antiwar movement . . . is preparing a nationwide campaign this fall to challenge the administration's policies on Afghanistan." Politico similarly reported last week that the White House fears growing liberal opposition to the war. And in the wake of George Will's Op-Ed yesterday calling for withdrawal, the Post Editorial noted the coalition clearly forming against the war:
The Democratic left and some conservatives have begun to argue that the Afghan war is unwinnable and that U.S. interests can be secured by a much smaller military campaign directed at preventing al-Qaeda from regaining a foothold in the country. Sen. Russell Feingold (D-Wis.) has proposed a timetable for withdrawal -- the same demand the left rallied around when the war in Iraq was going badly.
Note -- as usual -- that what is, in fact, the view of a very large majority is dismissed as nothing more than a belief on the part of "the Democratic left" and a few conservatives. But no semantic games can mask the fact that support for the war in Afghanistan is quickly turning into a small-minority view -- one sustained overwhelmingly by the very Republican Party whose foreign policy drove the country into the ground over the last decade.
But as became clear with Iraq, the "mere" fact that a large majority of Americans oppose a war has little effect -- none, actually -- on whether the war will continue. Like so much of what happens in Washington, the National Security State and machinery of Endless War doesn't need citizen support. It continues and strengthens itself without it. That's because the most powerful factions in Washington -- the permanent military and intelligence class, both public and private -- would not permit an end to, or even a serious reduction of, America's militarized character. It's what they feed on. It's the source of their wealth and power.
Remember all the talk during the presidential campaign about how, when it came to national security, John McCain was such a dangerous maniac, a war-monger, an extremist hawk? This was the exchange McCain had with George Stephanopolous last month:
STEPHANOPOULOS: Would we be fighting these two wars any differently if you were president now?
MCCAIN: Not now.
That, of course, is the trend that has been repeating itself over and over: while Obama has certainly deviated from what the GOP would do in the realm of domestic policy, he has embraced the core prevailing principles of Bush/Cheney in the areas of war fighting, civil liberties, "counter-terrorism," and secrecy/transparency -- i.e., in the full-throated continuation of the National Security State (Politico's Josh Gerstein -- who, despite where he works, is a very good reporter -- writes about the latest such episode here).
All of these issues can't be separated from one another. A country that turns itself into a war-fighting state, a militarized empire, is choosing what kind of country it wants to be. And as long as that continues, everything else -- wild expansions of executive power, the explicit rejection of the rule of law for elites, a continuous erosion of civil liberties, ever-expanding secrecy justifications, supreme empowerment of a permanent national security class whose power transcends elections -- are all necessary and inevitable by-products. As Thomas Jefferson observed in an 1810 letter to Ceasar Rodney: "In times of peace the people look most to their representatives; but in war, to the executive solely." Jefferson was assuming "war" was a temporary state of affairs; where, as with us now, it's the permanent reality, the effect is far greater. As long as a President is waging wars and trying to control the world through military force, he desperately needs the CIA, the military, the entire National Security State apparatus, and thus cannot "change" policies of secrecy, civil liberties, privacy and the like -- even if he wanted to.
That's why being in a state of endless war doesn't merely raise discrete questions of this policy or that; it changes the character of the nation. Whether to continue our massive National Security State and general imperial behavior (unsustainable in any event) is at least as important a question in the debate over Afghanistan as specific questions raised by the war itself.
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Show AllThere never was a good war, or a bad peace.
Ben Franklin
Another way of saying: You can bomb the world to pieces---but you cannot bomb it to peace. Too bad O Bomb A does not realize what Ben Franklin had to say.
As I remember looking back, during the 2008 campaign, Candidate Obama spoke out against the Bushistas handling of the Iraq war and said that we had to get out of that war and concentrate on the "right" war which was Afganistan.
I remember worrying at the time that he might really mean that and wasn't just trying to posture himself away from being a "peace wus". I voted for him anyway, just as I worked for Lyndon Johnson in 1964 (I was too young to vote then). I think that was right then and, given that we are only given 2 real choices (I know the Kucinich and Nader advocates disagree with this) I thought he was a better choice than the hot-headed John McCain. It turned out that Lyndon Johnson was probably as bad, at least with regard to war and peace, as Goldwater would have been.
The Obama Administration seems, as many have commented in recent columns and posts, going the same way we did in Vietnam -- one more batch of troops will let us end it, then another, then another. They've already gotten themselves into a position where they really can't pull out without saying "well, we were wrong" and no senior government official will ever do that on matters of "national security."
I didn't quite understand why Glen Greenwald fails to mention that this is a immoral, and illegal action and not truly a war--we do not fight against an equal opponent but have indeed attacked a much smaller independent nation both in Iraq and Afghanistan--in fact, most of our so-called wars are merely murderous actions against weaker countries who have very unsophisticated weaponry as compared to ours--why do we call them wars--we are in fact just being bullies to take what we want from our victims be it oil or pipe-line routes, and of course also setting ourselves up geo-politically to advantage Israel our puppet masters(Zionists are behind the article Greenwald critiques) It's tantamount to a high-school kid going into the kindergarten and taking the little kids lunch money. Where's the justification for that? If you or I tried to take advantage of our weaker neighbors the police would lock us up--and rightfully so--both are crimes--the difference being that the government runs the jails and we are all just potential victims--If anyone is out there in the world please send us a force that will arrest these fucking war criminals--I will testify against them in a world court of law, and I'm sure you can find other witnesses in the USA who would also help in this just cause. Thank you for your anticipated prompt compliance to my request. Sincerely, 0necaptainjim
Greenwald may not feel that calling an action "war" justifies, legalizes, or normalizes it.
"and of course also setting ourselves up geo-politically to advantage Israel our puppet masters(Zionists are behind the article Greenwald critiques)"
Look, I consider myself a progressive. I hate unnecessary war and torture, and wish Obama would take a stand against them. But why does it seem that many of us on the left have to bring Zionism into this? Do you have any proof that Israel is our "puppet master", and that Zionists are behind the article that GG criticizes, other than the fact that Fred Hiatt is Jewish?
You seem to blame much evil on some kind of Zionist conspiracy; that sounds similar to the way Hitler blamed Germany's ills on Jews and Zionists back in the 30's and 40's.
I agree with your idea that the US has picked fights with weaker opponents, like a bully. But don't blame that on Zionism as such.
I don't know, except that "if it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck--it's a duck." Maybe,being an ex-serviceman I notice many new techniques employed regarding prisoners--like hooding and abusing them--these have been Israeli techniques for many years. Also the whole Iraq thing was sold to us first by M.Albright, S.Berger from the Clinton adm.--even Clinton was helped into office by N.Y. in both primary and general elections. Then in the Bush regime we also have many neo-cons who have strong ties to Israel--Then there's the Israeli lobby that all candidates have to appease to gain office--didn't you see O'bomber sucking up to them--and don't forget Hillary's Iranian remark--if they weren't the masters, why did they bother?
Anti-zionism on the left is, in the end (oh noes!!!) modern coded political antisemitism, and it is the infection that just keeps on giving, dividing the left and making our shared goals as leftists that much harder to reach.
You'd almost have to think that the constant antizionist and coded antisemitic rants on these boards were designed to consign the leftist discourse to the looney bin where it can do no good at all.
Of course Israel deserves strong critique from a leftist perspective, but that's not what we see here. What we see here goes so far beyond that that it ensures the irrelevance of the leftist project.
Why bother with cretins like these? They say they are leftists but their hearts and minds are poisoned by their fixation on their imagined ancient enemy, the "Jew", who they believe, as always, secretly controls the world. Feh. What wastes of space.
Stop the double-standard. It's okay for the antiwar left to be vehemently against the US without being called anti-Christians but, if the left's vehemently against Israel for the same crimes, we're called anti-Jew, why?
Please stop making excuses and apologies for Israel's ethnic cleansing and theft of foreign land. And stop calling antiwar people "anti-Jews". Many of us ARE Jews.
Man, you hit the nail on the head. It is really tragic.
Please, Israel uses US tax dollars to keep expanding their territory and commit ethnic cleansing. And you consider yourself a progressive who "hates" unnecessary war and torture?
And let's not even remotely discuss that all the countries surrounding Israel don't think it even belongs there in the first place. Let's not even discuss that 700,000 people were illegally dislodged when Israel was invented by the US and UK in 1948.
Like all empires of the past, the US empire (the successor state to Nazi Gr) will only stop its relentless murder machine when it is financially bankrupt. Bankruptcy will occur when the dollar collapses. The dollar is near collapse now.
"Like all empires of the past, the US empire (the successor state to Nazi Gr)"
I agree with what you wrote, except that the Amerikan empire preceded the Third Reich. Hitler, after all, admired the British and Amerikan accomplishments in subjugating 'inferior' peoples. He saw all the people of eastern europe as being like 'indians' in that they were backwards and not making good use of their lands and resources. He even envisioned something of a 'wild west' frontier in the former USSR where German veterans would be given land to farm but would keep their guns handy lest any unsubdued savages rise up in revolt. Drang nach ost = Go west young man.
"The dollar is near collapse now." Not true. If jobs come back in a couple of years and if congress then provides some fiscal discipline, things will work out reasonably well. In a couple of years, we will have to get serious about what we want to spend money on: endless war or Medicare, or continue spending and raise taxes.
Major-league IF's.
The people who write that kind of stuff never fight; possibly they believe that to write it is a substitute for fighting.
This goes for everyone from George Wanker Bush and Cheesedick Cheney to Barack Obama, the Neocons and the closet throatstickers at the WP. Get these paskudnyaks in a room and tell them, "Son, you're going to Afghanistan, untrained and unarmed, wearing an American uniform. We're sending you into bandit country, alone, to fight for democracy and liberty. You'll probably get killed and your dismembered body will tossed unceremoniously into a shallow grave - if you're lucky. Get in there, son, and do your duty."
Now if Obama were the recipient of this Pattonesque exhortation, the order to withdraw totally from Afghanistan would be given within 5 minutes. I really hope there's a Hell for people like Obama and every egg sucking MoFo like him.
"There seems little doubt that a major political conflict over Afghanistan in imminent and inevitable."
Well, maybe, although 57% popular opposition is significantly less than the percentage favoring heath care reform. In any case, as also demonstrated by the health care issue, a "political conflict" in which both sides agree to take the only sensible option "off the table" before the debate begins is mere theater.
Everyone can be quite certain that simple straightforward withdrawal, while perhaps acknowledged as desirable in theory, will be deemed politically unachievable. Thus U.S. politics will continue to determine how many kids get killed and maimed in other lands.
If ya think about it, at this point, Peace would be the final nail in our collapsing economic coffin - thousands of government contractors would tank, at least a million military, intel and related personnel would be dumped into the ranks of the unemployed, and other countries would start selling their resources to the highest bidder, not the one holding the gun to it's head.
...Sounds good to me!
The difference would be that money spent on the MIC largely goes up in smoke and body parts, whereas that money spent on domestic projects would provide tangible
benefits in the form of improved infrastructure, reduced dependence on foreign oil,
and shrinking the ranks of the unemployed.
The most interesting thing to me in this strong article was the quote in the Washington Post of a critique of the Afghan operation by Chuck Hagel. Having blinked on recent political developments I thought he was a Republican senator from Nebraska and a far more promising Republican convert than neo-con columnist George Will whose op-ed piece in the same newspaper has been treated as a harbinger of Republican defection from support of the operation. While I among others have challenged Robert Naiman's characterization of Will's piece as an indication of Republican defection to anti-war ranks (another CD article today), it seemed that Nagel would be a far more eligible candidate for this defector role. When I checked I found he was the former Senator from Nebraska, having retired in 2008. That said, Hagel's case is at least an indication of how one Republican moved from staunch support of Bush wars to an equally staunch opponent thereof, proving that it CAN be done (though maybe not if you're seeking re-election from Nebraska.)
It is more than obvious that Americans lack the ability to bring the Psychopathic Warmongers to justice. We definitely need an international force to intercede. PLEASE HELP!!
When the economy collapses, that will also be a nail in THEIR coffin. Freedom/ peace-loving citizens are more than capable of creating a new monetary system that meets our needs. And first on the agenda would be the refutation of all the banksters gambling debts.
Actually, you're already getting "help" from an international force, except that they're providing assistance on their own terms for achieving imperial dissolution. Check out the agenda of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and recent SCO-BRIC discussions regarding the world reserve currency status of the U.S. dollar.
Note, too, that the SCO leadership (both China and Russia) have not only refrained from using their Security Council veto against UN Resolution 1386 (2001) authorizing NATO's armed interevention in Afghanistan, but they've also supported subsequent extensions and the "mission creep" therein.
I could be wrong, but I think I detect some method in their madness.
hey glen what about the oil and gas - you don't even mention that. a little denial is it on your part...
the corporate government of amerika is more than willing to trade sheeple lives for that booty
and then there is the heroin, that was what kept us in vietnam for so long
mike ruppert has convincingly demonstrated in his philippic "crossing the rubicon", as have others, that the drug trade in the world is run by the cia and the money it generates is laundered through wall street
through companies like ge, general motors and other fortune 500 companies
look at colombia, recipient of billions in foreign aid, mostly weaponry, to protect the cartels there and conveniently as outposts for "special ops" to use when they assassinate the peasants of south america
as for obama - anyone who hasn't figured out that he is a nwo p.o.s. yet must be living in a cave with osama
this whole pile of manure we are neck deep in was set up based on the false flag inside job of 9/11
for normal americans to be blind to this truth is more absurd than the birthers and obama's country of birth
oh the delusions of the sheeple....
that the drug trade in the world is run by the cia and the money it generates is laundered ...
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The money is laundered into a handful of "black" programs the likes of which, if revealed, would send a shockwave of pure terror through every citizen.
There's a reason the Pentagon hasn't been able to pass an audit for almost twenty years.
And you're NOT allowed to ask why.
Sioux Rose
This Greenwald piece lends depth and further definition to the apt phrase for the USA today, "Mars rules."
Rather than a political war, synchronicity and common ground between the two parties re desired escalation infers we will see little "political warring" over Afghanistan. Feingold and other voices of reason will be utterly marginalized, the sleeping public's wishes be damned.
The "restive anti-war movement," the NYT's presents as a force this Fall....well, the leaves are already changing colors. Great Minds & Hearts call themselves Americans, but scattered, monitored and met by police overkill at any attempt to protest......Revolucion, revolution, come hither.
"Resist or become serfs." Chris Hedges.
Obama said that when he considered running for president the first person he talked to was James Crown of General Dynamics, the most profitable contractor from the Iraq War.
Let your essay be a warning to Obama that that isn't a dust storm on the horizon. It's a s**t storm headed straight for the White House.
Allow me a small edit, Mr. Greenwald: "Like so much of what happens in Washington, the National Security State and machinery of Endless War doesn't need citizen support. It continues and strengthens itself without it. ... It's what they feed on. It's the source of their wealth and power."
They feed on us. We are their source.
Glenn's first UPDATE:
>>UPDATE: See also: James Madison, Political Observations, 1795:
Of all the enemies of true liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.... No nation can preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.
We have "continual warfare"; Madison couldn't have been clearer about the inevitable outcome of that.>>
RIGHT ON MY FRIEND--THE TRUTH THAT! If ones eyes are wide open one can easily see this is indeed what has been happening again. Thanks!
obama and his neolib handlers have taken af/pk to the next level. the level of now or never. they must soon decide if they wish to take this further into the abyss, or to find an exit. my bet is this is the beginning of a new nam westmoreland startegy. lies and more lies. more soldiers for targets.
excellent article.
and the way to stop this?Bottom up direct democracy. Look to the CNT in spain, to the bolivarian movements in latin america, to the zapatistas, and to so called 'syndicalist' unions in europe...or just look deep in your heart.
when all the experts have been so wrong for so long, and put so much blood on our hands,
isn't it time to let the 'amateurs" have a go at it? AS in one hundred million amateur american workers(legal or not)?
WHO is really going to stop this?
the people everyone answers.
and then most people on these 'boards' reflexively add, through their votes...for some
mystical god politician that will just land and change everything. Even though YOU KNOW that is not the right answer.
occupy, resist, produce....and make politics of the people.
It's simple, once you dump this 'american exceptionalism', that everyone here is stupid. ..
and find a heartfelt commonality...you find the large minority to bond with and fight with.
We the sheeple...are not sheep. half of us don't vote, and a majority are pissed off.
organize. educate...and use non violent direct action to seize for mutual aid when
the depression finally hits. face to face democracy. stop typing and get outside!!!
Good article. Ironically, the Post itself provided one of the more interesting ideas:
"The Democratic left and some conservatives have begun to argue that the Afghan war is unwinnable and that U.S. interests can be secured by a much smaller military campaign directed at preventing al-Qaeda from regaining a foothold in the country."
We simply can't stand by watching bin Laden and his successors develop the capability to destroy our cities, no matter how corrupt we are and how badly we've behaved. But we don't have to destroy other countries to protect ourselves. And we should oppose oppression by the likes of the Taliban non-militarily.
manning: your paranoia is less than becoming
when it comes to the business of destroying cities - that is the work of the united states - including the false flag of 9/11 - the inside job
pax americana doesn't wait for others to committ crimes to go to war - they do it themsleves
for all those who think "the government wouldn't do that" wake up and smell the coffee.
this government lies us into any war it wants to - this government has exposed its own citizens to drug testing (forced LSD testing etc), radiation exposure and the release of toxic gases in many situations - just to see what would happen
so have no illusions about what this government would do to you or to the innocent peasants of iraq afghanistan or pakistan or south america or asia for that matter
you get the picture
the most likely group to blow up american citizens is the secret government and the corporations of america
the chances a dead guy from a cave somewhere of doing it - priceless - er i mean slim to none and slim has left town
you should be ashamed of yourself for being afraid of the boogeyman
and even more ashamed that your irrational fear lets you think that the ruthless killing if millions of innocents is both required and acceptable
shame on you
lebeau (September 4th, 2009 9:47 am) -- I don't believe I said "killing of millions of innocents is both required and acceptable."
The comment about 9/11 leads me to think you're a "Truther." I'm not. I don't think the U.S. government had anything more to do with the airlines slamming into the buildings than negligently failing to realize it was going to happen and negligently failing to stop the (mostly) Saudis from boarding the planes in the first place.
If you accepted that 9/11 was a tremendously successful al Qaeda operation, you would, I believe, be compelled to accept that another such attack could happen, and therefore that the U.S. government has a duty to prevent it -- whether it be nuclear, biological, or whatever. And I would think you would do whatever you reasonably could to prevent it, in the interest of saving innocents in the U.S., if for no other reason.
None of this implies that the huge toll on civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, regardless of their sympathies, has been justified or in the interest of the U.S.
Surely our corrupt government could have planned 911, just as it could have killed JFK, but what difference does it make? Stop plundering the world and the world will stop terrorizing us.
you don't know much about 9/11 do you
watching tv doesn't count as research
I hate to have to say it again: We're creating enemies faster than we can kill them. Obviously a different strategy is required. It's called "minding our own business". And our own business needs tending to, badly.
O yes we can "stand by watching bin Laden and his successors" provided we stop plundering Middle East oil, the root cause of 911.
Mr Greenwald states very well the reasons why I will not support the US Empire and rather work for its destruction. It is The Evil State of the 21st Century. Greenwald also points out who our enemies really are, and they get great support from most of the corporatocracy--especially the Propaganda and Indoctrination Systems who attempt to subvert minds 24/7/365.
The US Empire is Planetary Enemy #1, which automatically makes Obama Public Enemy #1. The USA is now known as Tyranny R Us.
Just a paid actor smoke screen is Obama, for there is President Gates who controls the world's largest killing machine, and above him there is the multinational rich who run it all from Wall Street.
Let's stop paying taxes.
-TIA
Here's a great website that helps put some things into perspective.
http://costofwar.com/
Cost of War in Afghanistan
225,982,598,866
Cost of War in Iraq
679,573,403,055
Total Cost of Wars Since 2001
905,556,001,922
borrowed "money" that our grandchildren will have to pay interest on. Some of them will not look fondly on todays so called leaders. They will be easy to identify because their chains will clank the loudest.
First we need to put chains on our self-absorbed majority -- before we can put chains on their chosen leaders.
Join the Green Party. Don't waste another penny (or vote) on the reactionary, war-mongering Democrats.
http://www.gp.org/