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A few days ago, a citizen asked the progressive legislator from California, Congressman Henry Waxman why he took his name off the list of about Eighty House sponsors of single-payer health insurance? Mr. Waxman replied: "it [H.R. 676] isn't going to happen."
In early January and last year, Americans who believe in Presidential accountability for constitutional, statutory and treaty violations asked Democrats in Congress-"If not impeachment, why not at least a resolution of censure of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney?" The uniform reply was "It's not practical."
These lawmakers-Democrats all, who are the majority in Congress and who agree with these questioners-keep saying "It's not going to happen" or "It's not practical."
"It's just not practical" to provide a federal minimum wage equal to that in 1968, inflation adjusted, which would be $10 an hour.
"It's not going to happen" to get comprehensive corporate reform at a time when a corporate crime wave and the Wall Street multi-trillion dollar collapse on Washington, on taxpayers and on the economy is tearing this country apart. A little regulatory tinkering is all citizens are told to expect.
"It's just not practical" to give workers, consumers and taxpayers simple facilities for banding together in associations with their own voluntary dues to defend these interests in the corporate occupied territory known as Washington, D.C.
Last year, the excuse was a Bush veto. So the Democrats didn't even try to advance reforms they believe in, knowing Bush and his Republican Party would stonewall. What's the excuse this year with Obama in the White House?
After all, it was only a year and a half ago when nominating and then electing an African-American President was "not going to happen, was not practical."
But since it did happen, why aren't these and many other long overdue beneficial redirections and efficiencies happening for the American people? Why aren't there rollbacks, at least, of the Bush-driven inequities and injustices that have so damaged the well-being of working people?
Why isn't a simpler and more efficient carbon tax more "practical" than the complex corruption-prone, corporatized cap and trade deal driven by Goldman Sachs and favored by most Democrats? The avaricious tax cuts for the super-wealthy are still there.
The statutory ban on Uncle Sam negotiating volume discounts on medicines purchased by the federal government are still there. Taking the huge budgets for the Bush wars in Iraq and Afghanistan off their annual fast track, and putting them a meaningful House and Senate Appropriations Committee hearing process has not happened.
Face it, America. You are a corporate-controlled country with the symbols of democracy in the constitution and statutes just that-symbols of what the founding fathers believed or hoped would be reality.
Even when the global corporate giants come to Washington dripping with crime, greed, speculation and cover-ups, and demand gigantic bailouts on the backs of taxpayers and their children, neither the Republicans nor the now majority Democrats are willing to face them down.
The best of America started with our forebears who faced down those who told them "it's not going to happen," or "it's not practical" to abolish slavery, give women the right to vote, elevate the conditions of workers and farmers, provide social security and medicare, make the air and water less polluted and so on. These pioneers, with grit and persistence, told their members of Congress and Presidents-"It is going to happen."
To paraphrase the words of a great man, the late Reverend William Sloan Coffin, it is as if those legendary stalwarts from our past, knowing how much more there is to achieve a practical, just society, are calling out to us, the people today, and saying "get it done, get it done!"


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Show All"The regime of compromise seemed to be most in keeping with Bismarck's conception that 'politics is an art of the possible.' But between Bismarck and the later German chancellors there was a slight difference which made it permissible for the former to let fall such an utterance on the nature of politics while the same view from the mouths of his successors could not but take on an entirely different meaning. For Bismarck with this phrase only wanted to say that for the achievement of a definite political goal all possibilities should be utilized, or, in other words, that all possibilities should be taken into account; in the view of his successors, however, this utterance solemnly released them from the necessity of having any political ideas or goals whatever."
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"Mein Kampf."
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It MUST happen. There are no more excuses. What is wrong with us, America? We have allowed the torture of children, a result of a sickening policy of the last administration and now this one. And now we are denying healthcare to our children and ourselves to satisfy the greed of a few corporations. How low can we go? Is the depth of our cowardice and immorality bottomless? What other nations people would allow this infringement on basic human rights? Are we ill? Are we under the spell of the MSM? Are we arrogant? Are we ignorant? Or are we just afraid of some boogeyman?
Here are the answers to your questions.
We are suffering from the excesses of corporate greed.
Corporate greed will never stop trying to find a new low.
As long as allow these corporations to run our lives, yes.
None of which I can think.
To each of the last five questions: "yes."
I usually agree with Ralph but what on earth has possessed him to call Waxman progressive?
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quickstepper July 11th, 2009 8:32 am...........Another question. What do you propose we do?
Demolishing empty corporate headquarters in the middle of the night.
torch the offices of the CC companies.
Crash the networks. Stop the corporate presses.
Change your buying habits. Help those that are still enslaved
Disconnect from this system and start a new one in your community.
And when the time comes, stand fast with your brothers and sisters when the corporate mercenaries take to the street to "maintain order".
There will be violence.
Become the sand in the gears.
Ralph Nader is owed a letter of apology from everyone who slammed him over the 2000 election. He was right when he said Democrats are no different than Republicans, and the sell-out by Obama we're seeing now is precisely what would've happened had Gore been elected President.
FreeQuark July 11th, 2009 8:19 am...This is SO true...and we owe him MUCH more. I, for one, will continue to vote for him if he decides to run again in 2012. Obama is a total loss and we had all better wake the hell up....AND SOON!............NOT SOON, NOW!
Oregoncharles
Another thing about Gore:
Overnight he turned himself into an environmentalist with his "inconvenient Truth" book. The League of Conservation Voters gave him a lifetime rating of 64%, isn't that a "D" grade? At least Kerry got in the high 90s. When Gore was VP I did some research on him. I discovered a nuclear industry website from the tri-cities area of Washington state. There had been a conference of some kind, Gore was the keynote speaker. He received a standing ovation after telling the audience that he is a friend of nuclear power.
You just have to take my word for it because I can't find the site, it's gone. So when he wrote his global warming book, I wondered what the real purpose was. Have you noticed just how many new power plants are planned?
Take a look at "tale of two houses" at the snopes.com site to see just how "green" Gore is. And while you're at it, check out Jeffery St. Clair's book, "Al Gore - a Users Manual."
"Ralph Nader is owed a letter of apology from everyone who slammed him over the 2000 election."
I completely agree!
Consistently, I still find myself arguing with people who blame Ralph Nader for Gore's loss in 2000. It baffles me! I always, first, tell them that Al Gore ran a very weak campaign. Of course, on top of that, we now know about the butterfly ballots, that the election was stolen, and Bush was then appointed by the Supreme Court.
But, still, they blame Ralph Nader, despite the facts.
By trying to prove he was more republican than the republicans and lying about a blowjob Bill Clinton was responsible for the outcome of the 2000 election. Bill Clinton was also responsible for the Democrats losing control of congress in 1994.
Democrats are good a being apologists for politicians like Clinton, Obama, Pelosi and others who betray them.
I'm sorry I didn't vote for you, sir.
Democrats have to begin to understand that both parties are beholden to their corporate masters. Voters only have value as consumers and slack-jawed pawns that salivate on command when the leaders ring the bell or cower in fear when they identify the enemy.
In a Republican economy (do you see any difference since January?) those survivors that still have jobs take on the work of those that were discarded before and are terrified that the same will happen to them. Not real candidates for any activism or risk-taking.
I don't understand how anyone believed that having a more solid majority in Congress could promote spine-growing in the spineless. Straight and upright spines are developed through exercise, not through round-shouldered hangdog stooping fear.
The congressional Democrats and Republicans will never start refusing the K-street money that lines their pockets and keeps them in office as long as they can take it with impunity. Votes must be counted and must count for more.
Civil rights legislation was "not practical" and "not going to happen" until the heat of activism made putting it off any longer impossible. Politicians, especially democrats, are motivated by political opportunism heavily influenced by corporate backing. Without the kind of intense "street heat" and popular pressure that threatens them and business as usual no real progress will be made on this or other vital issues.
Jaded Prole July 11th, 2009 8:34 am.............Any ideas to get us started?
While the weather is good, an extended protest/vigil/encampment in DC wouldn't hurt. It would create visibility and allow time for consistent lobbying and pressuring of Congress.
Would that it were possible to organize "one big union" (apologies to the IWW) totally seperate from trade unionism, American citizenship the only qualification for membership, with the most general of aims acceptable to right and left, particularly the demand to respect the Constitution. More people every day have the conviction that we are being pissed on in broad daylight; our collective sense of injury and loss could be the cement that might bond such a union.
Tony Vodvarka
abvodvarka@yahoo.com July 11th, 2009 8:49 am..............To what purpose? To march enmasse to DC....do we need that sophisticated an intrument to simply get the people off their asses and away from indifference to demand their rights that are already SUPPOSEDLY protected by our Constitution? Organized or spontaneous, you still must get MILLIONS....TENS OF MILLIONS involved to make a dent in THE ELITES defenses.
BUT, I do believe we are getting to a tipping point and the truth of 9/11 may be what it takes to break through the concrete wall of stagnation.
Dear Cynical, The purpose being to develop candidates and elect them, to organize boycotts, to organize passive resistance, to develop a nation-wide REFUSAL. As you note, it seems a daunting task, especially with the deep-seated anti-social attitudes among many groups in our country but 9-11 IS in plain sight and if our fellow citizens ever use their eyes for something other than TV, we may have a genuine paradigm shift in this country.
Tony Vodvarka
abvodvarka@yahoo.com July 11th, 2009 9:26 am...All we may do is continue to spread the information. Personally, I pass out DVDs supplied by my friend at the 911dvdproject.com. (for free, BTW) and run around with signs all over my car. I have a DVD/CD duplicator, so that helps....TV IS the killer. We need a free and independent station, other than Link or whatever. They, because of funding, will only go so far.
BUT, we need to act now...tomorrow is too late.We went are are still going through eight years of hell and cannot afford another year...much less eight more years of the same!
Incidentally, here's a fairly new development, with a meeting to announce it in Arlington today.....
http://www.twf.org/News/Y2009/0702-Flight77.html
An analysis of 'democracy' -
"His ultimate goal in this stage is the victory of 'democracy,' or, as he understands it: the rule of parliamentarianism. It is most compatible with his requirements; for it excludes the personality-and puts in its place the majority characterized by stupidity, incompetence, and last but not least, cowardice."
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I know a family who owns a small local cafe. As a new, fledgling business, they cannot afford to pay for a healthcare policy. One member had a severe pain in her gastrointestinal tract, which she had experienced on and off for several years. This time, they decided to take her to an emergency room in a larger town, hoping they would have better facilities for diagnosis. They arrived, after a one and a half hour drive, at 5 PM. At 1 AM in the morning, they finally saw a doctor. She was given what later turned out to be an over-dose of morphine after an earlier dose of Percaset while she was waiting. They left for home at 5 AM, twelve hours after arriving....no diagnosis...no answer...no serious help, other than symptomatic relief. How many times must this be repeated on a daily basis throughout this country?
They're moving toward diagnosis as "intellectual property" that commands a premium price if the patients really wants to know. Keeping the diagnosis secret allows the system greater control over the people.
Bill Moyers and Ralph Nader share an unwavering determination to keep struggling against the odds. Moyers interviewed Wendel Potter, former CIGNA public relations wizard, who told it like it is. It's a class war: the privileged closing their eyes to the facts so they can keep lying in good conscience.
The solution? Like Nader & Moyers, stay on message. Eventually, the pain will become so unbearable for the largest number of people that the corporate pr flaks will be unable to spin it and real change will happen.
Would be nice if Obama had some cohones....
Oh, he's got some. They're goldman sacks.
The interview with Potter was very powerful stuff. A lot of people in the system can be co-opted when they can no longer ignore the harm they are doing, especially if they identify with ordinary people instead of seeing us as things to be exploited.
The footage from the health care fairs perfectly counters the "rationed care" charge. We have rationed care now. I agree, we've got to stay on message, not back down, not accept pleas for patience or that our struggle can only be won on some distant day (which is the problem I have with Sanders calling health care a civil right). The time is now, and all we can do at this point is to keep letting the complacent know that we won't be appeased. Critical mass is very near.
I posted this link on another article - Bill Moyers talking with Wendell Potter - though not surprising, still worth watching:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html
Long before William Potter, there was Linda Peeno. If I can recall, she testified before congress in 1996.
I agree -- Bill Moyers and Ralph Nader are so important to the progressive movements.
Isn't It Self-Evident That There Is No Alternative?
"To capitalism?"
"No, to our rising up en masse."
"And then what sort of world?"
"It'll be up to us."
"But if we don't rise up?"
"Doomsday."
"Based on?"
"Perpetual war + global warming + economic collapse."
So organize a General Strike already. Nothing will change unless The People unite and take action. The demands? Single payer healthcare for all; a cut in military spending of 50% (at least) over the next decade; publicly financed federal elections. Maybe one or two more things but I think all progressives can agree on these at least.
Something must be done about the corporate media. The media monopolies must be broken up, and PBS/NPR must be recreated with the idea of living up to the Public Broadcasting Charter of 1967 or 68. Its programming must be decentralized, and its funding greatly increased through a means that takes funding away from the Congress, so it is depoliticized. Jerry Starr has a group that has been calling for this change for years but to no avail. But truly, the corporate media is one of the country's biggest problems. It is so utterly rotten and corrupt. If we ever do get a real investigation into the events of 9-11 and justice for the victims, the TV news producers for CBS, CNN, Fox, et al will have a lot to answer for in their systematic lying and non-coverage of this issue.
One modest suggestion, not intended to be a complete solution; the FOCUS of every progressive candidate in the next election should be on the Corrupting Influence of Money in Politics. That it doesn't matter what positions a candidate espouses if he/she has acquired a pocketful of IOU's on the way to office, because, as we've seen, they will betray any promise once their paymaster demands it. Stress that... Every 30 second tv ad, every slick brochure in your mailbox, every pre-made lawn sign, is an IOU to the special interest that paid for it. Focus the message on How Many of those IOU's your opponent has. I'd love to see a campaign characterized by home-made signs, neighborhood meetings, door-to-door citizen blitzes. This isn't just possible, it's how campaigns used to be run!
That's why you've got to have federally funded elections. Take the big money out of political campaigns so that campaigns can be based on ideas, not slick TV ads. Congress needs to pass a law declaring that federal campaigns belong to We the People, not corporate donors, and that giving a candidate millions of dollars is not a form of "free speech." It costs so much to get elected nowadays that Senators spend a whole lot of their time fundraising. I remember former Senator Hollins from South Carolina or some southern state talked about this after he resigned. I was astounded by how much money a Senator has to raise every week if he is to have any chance of getting reelected. I think it's something like 70,000 a week?
Memory_Hole July 11th, 2009 10:38 am...............Do you seriously believe the CONgress is not a part...an integral part...of the corporate structure?
Bring America Back !!!!..........!..The good Ralph Nader points up the feeble cries of failed legislators whose lame excuses include...'it's not practical.
***Nader does not give us credit when 'We The People', including many Republicans and Democrats, rose up to rid ourselves of the Tyrant w. Bush !
***We were revolutionary when we elected black American President Obama on his promise of massive Change; Hope; Inspiration; rejection of the prevalent DC culture of corruption ; and Ending this War!
***Obama has failed intentionally to keep so many of his promises, that in a mere 6 months, most of us realize he lied to us to get elected ! What other conclusion is there ?
The policy of Obama is not to look back----because in that same mirror stands the likes of Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Democratically controlled intelligence committees.
***The Reforms Nader lists are "not practical" NOW because Obama does not want them reformed. Obama has taken ownership of the massive problems of BUsh, and kept them in place instead of delivering on his promises.
****Ralph Nader needs to become a Progressive rather than a Green, jump up and start campaigning on the realities we now face..and making sure we only have 4 years of the Obama lies, rather than 8 years !! Wake up Ralph, and get goin!
Sorry, Waxman can not be called progressive if he REMOVED his name as a cosponsor of HR676. He's clearly kowtowing to moneyed interests in Washington. It's not going to happen BECAUSE you took your name off the list, not the other way around, dickhead.
The only way the people will get the puppets to dance to the people's tune is to hook 'em with our own puppet strings, which requires a mass movement. So who's going to build the mass mvoement? There are tens of thousands of "progressives" who can organize it, but they don't really want universal justice, equity, solidarity. They're mostly interested in the adventure and the business they can build around the pursuit. When they are ready to get serious, they will build an alter-economy that supports all people, not just the privileged left.
But with respect to economic reforms, with single payer health care at the top of the list, there can be hidden quasi deadlines. Every year that single payer is not enacted is another year where health costs rise higher than general inflation, is another year where the gap between health costs and peoples' incomes becomes wider, is another year where people are ruined due to lack of health care, and is another year where in general the rich get richer and the large and growing number of relative poor get poorer.
The wider the gap between rich and poor, the greater the poverty rate, and the bigger the per capita income gap between the US and the other countries (that do have single payer) the more economically difficult it becomes to implement single payer, and the less the expected payoff becomes, in economic terms, from enacting single payer. For one thing, the ever growing number of relative poor people have less and less taxable income, which means that a higher and higher tax hike on the rich is necessary to finance single payer as the years of delay accumulate. For another thing, as the years go by, the gap between the actual health costs being charged within the failed health insurance system and the costs that a reasonable single payer system could support is growing.
In general of course, the US economy as a whole, and the average person in it, is being damaged worse and worse every year that health costs run out of control due to lack of single payer.
At the same time, in economic terms (although not in health terms) the "rescue beneifits" of single payer are being gradually reduced every year that single payer is delayed. People going without health care are becoming sicker and sicker, and thus more expensive to treat if single payer were ever enacted. And the damage to the US economy is mounting year by year and has apparently already reached the point where it can not be fully repaired by single payer.
The victory of the reputable, single payer countries over the US with respect to the health care and the overall economics systems is due not just to the existence of single payer in those countries, but also due to correct timing, specifically the fact that most of the single payer countries enacted single payer many decades ago, when the economic benefits for doing so were truly large.
Meanwhile, the US keeps delaying, and the potential economic benefits are gradually going down. It is possible that the US has already reached the point where its citizens could not possibly be as well off, in the next few decades at least, even if single payer were enacted in 2009, as for example citizens of Europe will be with their well established over many decades single payer (and unemployment relief) systems.
On the other hand, it will be at least 50 years before the economic benefits from enacting single payer in the US will become small or trivial; all I am saying right now is that the benefits are gradually being reduced, and that the benefits are already substantially less than the benefits would have been had single payer been enacted 20, 30, or 40 years ago.
In summary, in economics (unlike with most social reforms such as abolishing slavery) sometimes you can delay a needed reform to the point where the benefits of it become much smaller than they used to be, and the costs much higher than they used to be.
What I am talking about is why single payer systems are completely out of the question in very poor countries, such as for example many countries in Africa, Central America, and South America. The best a truly poor country can do is a partial, modified single payer system, with for example free care clinics that are partially subsidized by the Government playing a role in increasing health care access. But no truly poor country (unless it becomes a dictatorial left country in the Cuba mode) can successfully maintain a true single payer system in the European/Australian/Japan mode.
Although most of the right wing is too dumb to understand economics concepts such as these, you can bet at least a small number of influential right wingers are aware of these things, and as a result are supporting the fake "health reform" that is being talked about in 2009, which when all is said and done is nothing more and nothing less than a delaying tactic against single payer.
As I've noted ad nauseam, the health care issue reveals plainly that our elected officials in all branches of the federal government have abandoned their traditional roles in favor of becoming technocratic managers and executives running a para-corporate service-delivery system in a symbiotic partnership with corporate Amerika and the banksters.
And it's all strictly legit, dontcha know.
Exhibit A*, May 5, 2009: the normally articulate and forthright Russ Feingold reduced to foolish stammering when asked politely but pointedly by Amy Goodman WHY single-payer was DOA in Congress. He practically ducked his head and scratched the tip of his shoe back and forth while nervously responding that it was just "impossible" to get through Congress. I was mildly embarrassed for him, though not sympathetic.
Congress was simply too skittish-- "afraid", was the word he actually used-- of criticism for supporting what might be perceived as a new (and implicitly ineffective and draconian) government bureaucracy. Real Profiles in Courage, huh?
He couldn't very well say, "Look, Amy, you know and I know that we in Congress serve other and greater Masters than We the People-- and on this one, our true Masters made us an offer we couldn't refuse! And hell, I think we all know that the Amerikan people sort of understand this, and accept it.
But it's still not something we like to talk about in public, Amy. Thanks for understanding, and on second thought, please erase this portion of the recording."
Instead, he mumbled a preposterous silver lining promoting the bogus "public option" as a stepping-stone to single-payer. I respect him, though, for disclosing in spite of himself that the only obstacle to single-payer health care is that Congress is collectively too chickenshit to dare attempt it-- and not overreaching and trying to sell Amy the deed to Natural Bridge State Park.
To sum up: the bought-and-paid-for soldiers in Congress got the word to simply STFU about single-payer, and straight-arm any citizen resistance with a bold my-way-or-the-highway rebuttal, with a few jimmies sprinkled on top. Have a Nice Day.
* http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/5/senator_russ_feingold_on_obamas_escalation
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"Exhibit A*, May 5, 2009: the normally articulate and forthright Russ Feingold reduced to foolish stammering when asked politely but pointedly by Amy Goodman WHY single-payer was DOA in Congress. He practically ducked his head and scratched the tip of his shoe back and forth while nervously responding that it was just "impossible" to get through Congress. I was mildly embarrassed for him, though not sympathetic."
Just a few minutes ago, I pointed out this very example to one of my Democrat friends who continues to believe that Obama is going to save the day. As you stated in your post, I, too, was somewhat embarrassed for Feingold when Amy was interviewing him -- though, NOT sympathetic.
And, Bernie Sanders continues to fight on, persistently, alone. I have so much respect for the man and I wish he were my senator.
Shouldn't we be trying to get Henry Waxman's name back on the list or at least find out what he means by "not practical" - sounds like someone threatened him to get him to change his mind about this.
If he needs a war chest brimming to the top with loot to win the next election, it would not take much of a threat.
Who does the Health Insurance Industry have in their corner besides the usual Big Pharma/Pesticide/Air freshener industries - we need to know that.
"Shouldn't we be trying to get Henry Waxman's name back on the list or at least find out what he means by "not practical" - sounds like someone threatened him to get him to change his mind about this."
Nah, he's corrupted by power. His constituents need to threaten to primary him.
Remember the Taiwanese took to the streets holding protests until their gov't gave them health insurance.
Yes, but that's the Taiwanese. We Americans have been zoned out for quite some time.
Americans are too busy watching "American Idol" and believing Fox News. Even bombarded with the facts and statistics on health care in America faced with rising premiums and deductibles (or fighting with their insurance companies to get what they need), too many of them fear "government-controlled" health care.
THANK YOU again Ralph Nader. I cannot tell you how many times I come across such fake "practical" excuses from the Democrat Party apologists in all these years. To get them to sit down and listen is as easy as carrying a mountain. Sometimes I would even scream to them that our kids will HATE US for selling their futures out for inventing another "practical" excuse but then they think I somehow have a "mental" problem.
Maybe more people are waking up and realizing what a fraud Obama really is but only the voting results in the next presidential election in 2012 will confirm or deny that.
The way I see it though, the definition of the word "practical" has been fudged to promote more window dressing to pretend change and yet keep the status quo. Our cornfed electorate is in total denial mode to admit that they really are getting screwed by the duopoly. Thankfully, I am finding ways to verbally challenge those who try to tell me that the Democrats are moving in the right direction by asking them to actually prove it. All they can give are very minor events and nothing more. Anyone who tried to misuse the words compromise and practical to sell you short is a criminal in my book. As someone who takes the word practical seriously, I vote for a candidate based on the ISSUES and not on personality unless it relates to the issues, party affiliation, money, faux "electability", etc ... I am sick and tired of people telling us that we should just shut up and vote Democrat or else the big bad GOP will screw us. Well, all I have to tell them is to KISS OUR ASSES ! Most of the Democrats are already doing exactly what the GOP would have done so why should we listen to such anti-GOP baloney. No, I am not a Republican and I do not support their agenda but I am sick and tired of lame brain excuses and dishonesty from the fake opposition preaching "practical" and "compromise". It's high time more voters woke up, voted with their hearts and minds on the issues, and not continue the political dysfunctionality that never ends in Washington.
Waxman, Pelosi, Reed - They all act progressive and say progressive things because they know most people have progressive ideas. That gets them support and trust!
So you trust them and they say "it's not possible". Kind of takes the wind out of the sail doesn't it?
It's all a scam, these people never were anything but professional politicians who never fought for the people in the first place. Don't expect them to either!
They have the exposure to really make a statement but never step too far out of line.
Ron Paul, and Gravel do a lot better but you don't see much of them do you?
"They all act progressive and say progressive things because they know most people have progressive ideas. That gets them support and trust!"
I wonder if that's what Pelosi did in SF to lure people to reelect her over Sheehan.
"Ron Paul, and Gravel do a lot better but you don't see much of them do you?"
Last year, our cornfed electorate didn't give either of them a chance. Those may be libertarian but they offer better ideas and solutions compared to Waxman, Pelosi, Reid, etc ... and in fact Paul and Gravel depending upon the issues could even be considered progressive or liberal ! I voted for Paul in the Republican primary, Kucinich in the Democratic Primary. Other than Gravel's support for VAT, I thought that he was great too. Then again, maybe a VAT is needed to get our gluttons in society to cut down consumption.
I wonder if we could appeal to Canada's healthcare system to treat us? I mean, if enough Americans got together and simply said, 'we are going to buy into Canada's healthcare system. We'll send our money to Canada every month, and they will treat us when we are ill according to their protocols.' If ENOUGH Americans said this, the government would have to go along, wouldn't they? If, say, 50-100 million Americans just said, 'I'm buying Canadian healthcare', we could negotiate our way out of the corporate-dominated American system altogether, and let them fight over the scraps that were left.
ubrew12 July 11th, 2009 2:07 pm ............. Right now, the only thing I believe you can get 50-100 million Americans to agree upon is Evangelicalism.
Politicians are worried about polls that indicate that if a public option were made available, about 100 million Americans would go for it. I believe the movement in Washington is to prevent this, to deny this option. Either there will be no public option, or it'll be a public option in name only. Leaving these Americans who want one out in the cold. But what if we all signed a petition to the Canadians, saying we'd buy into their system (insurance is really just a digital system, we could buy insurance from anywhere if we wanted to). If they would be OK with it (i.e. that we didn't all just have cancer), I believe Washington would have to respond positively, otherwise they would be in the position of denying the people a choice. One of the arguments against single payer is that it denies choice (it works by mandating coverage for everyone). But this would work the other way: by buying into Canada's pre-existing system, we would be DEMANDING choice, NOT shutting it down. And as long as enough of us sign up, Canada would see that, statistically, we wouldn't be sick at rates any higher than they already cover. At that point, its just a matter of them figuring out what to charge us. Politically, that would be very hard for corporate-dominated Washington to deny. And it would get harder the more people who signed such a statement of intent.
The premise of single payer is that enough people join hands and jump into healthcare insurance together. This lowers the risk of any one person being sick. The corporations don't WANT people joining hands. They want to deal with them as individuals so they can wean the sick from the healthy and deny the former care. Divide and conquer. As long as its up for debate, this is the perfect time for those of us who want single payer to do an end-run around our corporate-compromised Congress and simply DEMAND to be allowed to appeal to the Canadians for healthcare. If enough of us sign up to this end-run, both governments would be FAR more likely to accept that petition, or accept the political consequences of denial. Then Congress can continue to hash out its 'vision' of corporate-dominated healthcare for all, and can stick it to those who weren't smart enough to jump ship when they had the chance.
ubrew12 July 11th, 2009 3:20 pm...My friend, I cannot but agree....BUT as I said, to get so many millions of Americans to agree on ANYTHING...even for their own good...is practically impossible...See, THEY have bred and conditioned us to be INDIVIDUALS...and believe me...they knew what the outcome would be....BUT, hell...go for it....I have one year left before I go on Medicare/Medicaid....I'll sign the darn thing...