Who Are We?
Policies that were wrong under George W. Bush are no less wrong because Barack Obama is in the White House.
One of the most disappointing aspects of the early months of the Obama administration has been its unwillingness to end many of the mind-numbing abuses linked to the so-called war on terror and to establish a legal and moral framework designed to prevent those abuses from ever occurring again.
The president deserves credit for unequivocally banning torture and some of the other brutal interrogation techniques that spread like a plague in the Bush administration’s lawless response to the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. But other policies that offend the conscience continue.
Americans should recoil as one against the idea of preventive detention, imprisoning people indefinitely, for years and perhaps for life, without charge and without giving them an opportunity to demonstrate their innocence.
And yet we’ve embraced it, asserting that there are people who are far too dangerous to even think about releasing but who cannot be put on trial because we have no real evidence that they have committed any crime, or because we’ve tortured them and therefore the evidence would not be admissible, or whatever. President Obama is O.K. with this (he calls it “prolonged detention”), but he wants to make sure it is carried out — here comes the oxymoron — fairly and nonabusively.
Proof of guilt? In 21st-century America, there is no longer any need for such annoyances.
Human rights? Ha-ha. That’s a good one.
Also distressing is the curtain of secrecy the Obama administration has kept drawn over shameful abuses that should be brought into the light of day. Back in April, the administration rightly released the “torture memos” detailing the gruesome interrogation techniques unleashed by the Bush crowd. But last month, Mr. Obama apparently tripped over his own instincts and reversed his initial decision to release photos of American soldiers engaged in the brutal abuse of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We saw the profound effect of the disclosure of the photos from Abu Ghraib in 2004. Imagine if they had never been released. Now, in an affront to a society that is supposed to be intelligent and free, the Obama administration is trying to sit on photos that are just as important for Americans to see. The president’s argument for trying to block the court-ordered release of the photos is a demoralizing echo of the embarrassingly empty rhetoric of the Bush years:
“The most direct consequence of releasing them, I believe, would be to further inflame anti-American opinion and to put our troops in danger.”
The Obama administration is also continuing the Bush administration’s abuse of the state-secrets privilege. Lawyers from the Obama Justice Department have argued, as did lawyers from the Bush administration before them, that a lawsuit involving extraordinary rendition and allegations of extreme torture should be dismissed outright because discussions of such matters in court would harm national security.
In other words, the victims, no matter how strong their case might be, no matter how badly they might have been abused, could never have their day in court. Jane Mayer, writing in the June 22 New Yorker, said of the rendition program, in which suspects were swept up by Americans and spirited off to foreign countries for imprisonment and interrogation: “As many as seven detainees were misidentified and abducted by mistake.”
The Bush and Obama view of the state-secrets privilege effectively bars any real examination of such egregious mistakes.
It was thought by many that a President Obama would put a stop to the madness, put an end to the Bush administration’s nightmarish approach to national security. But Mr. Obama has shown no inclination to bring even the worst offenders of the Bush years to account, and seems perfectly willing to move ahead in lockstep with the excessive secrecy and some of the most egregious activities of the Bush era.
The new president’s excessively cautious approach to the national security and civil liberties outrages of the Bush administration are unacceptable, and the organizations and individuals committed to fairness, justice and the rule of law — the Center for Constitutional Rights, the American Civil Liberties Union, and many others — should intensify their efforts to get the new administration to do the right thing.
More than 500 of the detainees incarcerated at one time or another at Guantánamo Bay have been released, and, except for a handful, no charges were filed against them. The idea that everyone held at Guantánamo was a terrorist — the worst of the worst — was always absurd.
Vincent Warren, executive director of the Center for Constitutional Rights, noted that Mr. Obama had promised to bring both transparency and accountability to matters of national security. It’s the only way to get our moral compass back.
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Show Alli don't recall which famous person , a philosopher probably, in history that said:
in reference to authoritarianism:
" POWER never abdicates. "
of course the writers of the US constitution- supposedly - were very suspicious of the "executive branch" - in that , according to Madison - it is the branch that is "most prone to gathering power unto itself and also the most prone to Mischief".
a new day, an old story....
Ball Of Confusion - The Temptations
1, 2... 1, 2, 3, 4, Ow!
People moving out, people moving in. Why, because of the color of their skin.
Run, run, run but you sure can't hide. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.
Vote for me and I'll set you free. Rap on, brother, rap on.
Well, the only person talking about love thy brother is the...(preacher.)
And it seems nobody's interested in learning but the...(teacher.)
Segregation, determination, demonstration, integration, Aggravation, humiliation, obligation to our nation.
Ball of confusion. Oh yeah, that's what the world is today. Woo, hey, hey.
The sale of pills are at an all time high.
Young folks walking round with their heads in the sky.
The cities ablaze in the summer time.
And oh, the beat goes on.
Evolution, revolution, gun control, sound of soul.
Shooting rockets to the moon, kids growing up too soon.
Politicians say more taxes will solve everything.
And the band played on.
So, round and around and around we go.
Where the world's headed, nobody knows.
Oh, great GoogaMooga, can't you hear me talking to you.
Just a ball of confusion.
Oh yeah, that's what the world is today.
Woo, hey, hey.
Fear in the air, tension everywhere.
Unemployment rising fast, the Beatles new record's a gas.
And the only safe place to live is on an Indian reservation.
And the band played on.
Eve of destruction, tax deduction, city inspectors, bill collectors,
Mod clothes in demand, population out of hand, suicide, too many bills,
Hippies moving to the hills. People all over the world are shouting, 'End the war.'
And the band played on.
Great GoogaMooga, can't you hear me talking to you.
Sayin'... ball of confusion.
That's what the world is today, hey, hey.
Let me hear ya, let me hear ya, let me hear ya.
Sayin'... ball of confusion.
That's what the world is today, hey, hey.
Let me hear ya, let me hear ya, let me hear ya, let me hear ya, let me hear ya.
Sayin'... ball of confusion.
- Norman Whitfield/Barrett Strong 1970 -
...peace...
Who are we? We are tubes and that is all. Our only purpose in life is to create waste. Either by our waste or our single ability to totally ruin just about everything we touch in the long run. Stuff in the tube out the other end.
Fear is a strong emotion in the war on terror, that can motivate hatred against people who have been stereotyped as militants in the news and entertainment media for many years. We rarely see most Muslims who are good, hardworking, peace loving, compassionate people in the news or entertainment industry.
Human rights activist have drawn attention to the prisoners at Guantanamo but not to the non violent, Muslim, American citizens who have been imprisoned and sentenced to the equivalent of life in prison, based on a policy of preemptive prosecution and/or collective guilt.Life in prison for an innocent man is tantamount to torture. During World war II, 100,000 Japanese were unjustly interned due to fear that they were or might become enemies of the U.S.. They were freed after the war. There is as much of a chance that the war on terror will end as there is that crime will end. This travesty of justice must be investigated and rectified.
I am not myself particularly religious....
\but has anyone ever noted:
in christianity - it is often the "word" of christ intoning benevolence towards those less fortunate but it is seldom , or rarely, if ever , GENERALLY followed as a custom. especially in the capitalist poisoned world.
in islam -- as far as I understand it - ALMS-GIVING is never seen as it is in the west: "charity that makes people LAZY".....no
rather it is even , as far as i know, literally COMMANDED...as part of what muslims consider their "jihad" or "cleansing oneself of oppressions"....which would include GREED.
so , as far as I understand it, muslims who are true to their tenets - seems to consider it a SIN NOT TO GIVE alms to ANYONE that asks .
there is to be NO PREJUDGEMENT towards the one that is begging or needing help.
unlike among Christians. who would even say:
"well -- you are POOR because , really GOD doesn't APPROVE of YOU. so you DESERVE it".
Here's what happened:
The Democratic primaries represented a major power struggle within the Democratic Party. That's why the primaries so closely resembled World War III. The real power struggle in 2008 occurred before the actual election.
The fight was between the Obama Democrats and all the other Democrats, especially the Clinton contingent.
The Obama gang won the battle, largely by dint of pure nastiness (their favorite trick was to call their fellow Democrats racists), and some creative vote-counting from the DNC leadership.
When the dust had settled, Democratic voters had rejected Obama, but got Obama anyway.
(They had rejected Obama in the sense that Hillary received more votes and yet lost the nomination--an historical first, by the way. Just for fun, imagine how the Obama supporters would have reacted if they'd gotten screwed like that.)
Riding the tide of public support that would have elected any Democrat, Obama won--destroying our chances for publicly-funded elections in the process. The Obama Dems have now moved Democratic headquarters to Chicago.
Ruh uh!
It's painful to realize that progressives supported this guy, got all excited about this guy, and even fought dirty so their crappy candidate would beocme the crappy President we have now. So much for the theory that progressives are smart.
I should mention that I was never a Hillary supporter. So it cannot be said I am disgruntled. I am a fully gruntled progressive who knows a Democrat from a neocon.
That's the sad story. Progressives had their shot at the big-time, and they picked the wrong candidate. The Obama contingent are not progressives, nor even very liberal. They have virtually insured a Republicans Presidency in 2012. I'm guessing Jeb Bush.
so the moral of the story is Hillary Clinton would have been a better president?. Pullease....
Of course Hillary would have been better. She's a Democrat. ;)
But the real moral of the story is: 1) vet your candidates, and 2) don't listen to Clinton-haters. They will destroy any party.
If you cared to follow your advice, the least you would have done is actually examine the candidates issue after issue. Having done that, it was clear that neither Clinton nor Obama were really different for the most part. And don't you dare call me a Clinton hater. I vote on issues, not party or personality. I voted for Dennis Kucinch in the primary by the way and that was based on the issues as usual as I did for Ron Paul in the Republican primary.
Who are we?
Our country has killed more people than any other country since WWII. We spend our treasure on finding new ways to kill and maim human beings. We let 20,000 Americans die every year because they can't afford the medicine or the hospital. We torture our prisoners. We kill children and unarmed civilians. We are the only nation to drop an atomic bomb on a city full of civilians. We trick our citizens into supporting wars by staging incidents(gulf of Tonkin).
I could go on listing examples of our wonderful behavior, but I think that's enough for any fair minded individual to answer the question.
add to this:
what was eventually to become SO obvious anyway: that the Bushies DELIBERATELY wanted to provoke Hussein into certain positions such as offering demands or deals which they knew was impossible from HIS standpoint to accept - in order to justify the Invasion of Iraq - topped of course with the BIG LIE of "imminent attacks" with WMD's crossing the ocean to shower "Mushroom clouds of destruction on our cities" (condi rice, etc. in their various statements) .
add to this:
SANCTIONS - economic and even humanitarian sanctions that only serve to make regimes that are recalcitrant already into even more extreme positions - AGAIN in order to provoke them and justify Invasions....as happened of course in Iraq SINCE the clinton administration...which of course proves it is NOT about "who is in power in the US white house or congress" but that it is a CONSISTENT US policy , REGARDLESS of which party is in power.
this has been done to countries everywhere; particularly the use of SANCTIONS to make them "bend their knees" - which of course most will hold out for as long as they can - AND BY THAT BE painted by the USA as "Threats to world peace"...
it is like starving a rat - or a cat, because it WON'T BARK like a DOG the way the person wants it to bark like a dog -or any animal and then when the animal becomes DESPERATE and is cornered NATURALLY becomes very feisty than it has to be - purely out of desperate self-defense -- and THEN ITS natural reactions are USED as a justification to main that cat , to kill that cat .
this is also what the USA has done to CHINA for generations (sanctions, "isolation") because china , in DEFENSE of ITS sovereignty FROM WESTERN IMPERIALISM since the 19th century LED by the British AND Americans , joined by the French and others for "spheres of influence" dividing UP china and forcing China to GIVE UP ANY rights to defend itself (known as "favored nation status" GIVEN to the western imperialists by THEMSELVES in forced treaties when at least SIX western nations massed together to attack china in the late 19th to early 20 centuries) -- because china CHOSE to become communist or socialist as a final resort when its Nationalists were COERCED by the USA primarily to "become"
RIGHT WING "nationalists" to FIT the USA's CAPITALIST imperialism.
SO _- "isolate china" . of course - the problem with THAT country , as opposed to the USSR , is China was smarter than that ..they bided their time - and emerged SUCCESSFUL in eventually REPELLING western imperialism to this day.
only a society or leaders or government that is Criminal and INSANE in its core will deliberately do such things .
it is represented by the way the Bushes and Cheney DELIBERATELY TORTURED people IN ORDER to elicit "responses" that would justify INVASION of iraq , and justify a Police surveillance state OPENLY practiced in the name of "security".
Deepa
The American mindset that the US is exceptional, benevolent and morally superior has not only concealed the US-sponsored terrorism for what it is, but, most importantly, construed it as sacred violence to promote and protect the system of peace and freedom.
Pointing out the double standards in US behavior, in July of 2006 Edward Peck, former US Ambassador to Iraq and Deputy Director of Reagan’s Task Force on Terrorism, stated:
"In 1985, when I was the Deputy Director of the Reagan White House Task Force on Terrorism, they asked us - this is a Cabinet Task Force on Terrorism; I was the Deputy Director of the working group - they asked us to come up with a definition of terrorism that could be used throughout the government. We produced about six, and each and every case, they were rejected, because careful reading would indicate that our own country had been involved in some of those activities."
The US Joint Chiefs of Staff publication defines terrorism as, “The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence against people or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives.”
Based on the US definition of terrorism, in July of 2006 Edward Peck has termed the US activities as terrorism. He said:
"U.S. Code Title 18, Section 2331[1], and read the U.S. definition of terrorism. And one of them in here says • one of the terms, “international terrorism,” means “activities that,” I quote, “appear to be intended to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping”…Yes, well, certainly, you can think of a number of countries that have been involved in such activities. Ours is one of them."
A concerned Peck in an interview on CNN Crossfire on October 8, 2001 retorted, "Why it is that all of these people hate us. It's not because of freedom…They hate us because of things they see us doing to their part of the world that they definitely do not like."
Commenting on Bin Laden’s opposition to the US, Michael Scheuer, the senior CIA analyst responsible for tracking Osama bin Laden from 1996, writes, “Bin Laden has been precise in telling America the reasons he is waging war on us. None of the reasons have anything to do with our freedom, liberty, and democracy, but have everything to do with U.S. policies and actions in the Muslim world.” According to Scheuer, Osama’s objective was “to drastically alter U.S. and Western policies toward the Islamic world." Scheuer further notes, "He (bin Laden) is a practical warrior, not an apocalyptic terrorist in search of Armageddon."
True to his name, the O-man has done 0.
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
After writing the above, I just remembered that during his campaign (in Feb. 2008) Obama talked about "some people trying to pull the old Oki-doke on you" --- which I seem to remember Obama bringing up to the audience about Clinton trying to imply that he would be un-beatable as her VP.
Well, "Surprise, surprise, surprise", as Jim Nabors used to say.
Obama's warning about someone trying to "run the old Oki-doke on you" was prescient after all --- because that someone was him.
Here's a video of the O-man talking about the old 'Oki-doke' that he certainly was running on us. [His Oki-doke comment is about 1:30 into the video].
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh69Zi2rV-U
What ironic foreshadowing!
Alan MacDonald
Nonviolent non-cooperation is the path that Gandhi wrote about and practiced to extraordinary effect. It runs counter to the conditioning we receive in our culture; one that preaches comfort, consumption, and selfishness. It requires a willingness to move well beyond comfort zones and to suffer patiently, fearlessly, and joyfully. Perhaps this is why it remains a largely unused tool even though it is the greatest and most powerful weapon in the arsenal of those of us who seek Truth, Justice, Peace and Freedom in our world. Who will sacrifice for what they believe? Who will withdraw their cooperation in order to create the change we wish to see in the world?
When are we going to learn that when morals are inconvienent is the most important time to uphold them! When are we going to learn that laws are there to protect us, and when the rule of law is compromised, everyone is in danger. That's been known even since man started having conversation with one another, but Obama seems to have forgotten it. I don't include Bush and the neo-cons. They are completely without any moral since whatsoever. But Obama should know better. There is such a thing as becoming too much the politician. It's about time Obama had a little soul search, if indeed he has one left.
I'd say Obama threw his soul out the window the minute he entered Washington. He'd much rather worship Mammon. Joe Liebernazi was his "mentor" since 2005 which explains why Obama joined the rest of the corrupt wing. I'd say Obama like most pols is simply amoral at this point. At one point, Obama made it clear that he preferred "convenience" over principle back in 2006. 2007 and after he really got worse and this year? I won't even try to be surprised.
WE;THE PEOPLE
We the people of the US of A have come to where, other peoples have been and some who still are.
We the people spend more on a warmongering war dept., misnamed the defense dept, than all the rest of the world by far.
We the people agree, for we do nothing, on the ongoing mayhem going on in Iraq and Afghanistan and where ever else we decide that people should do as we say , not as we do.
We the people think I or me is more important than “we” and act as if the rest of humanity and whatever else I or me can use no matter the cost to all of the “we” peoples or the environment is our due.
There can be more written but my heart wont let me and tears fall from my eyes but no one can see the ones that flow from my heart and soul for a “We the people” that went to I or me the people.
The future is our choice. Tony 10/13/08
For me, obama is just a black version of bush. Things just haven't changed much at all and the same CRIMINALS that played on all the previous administrations going back to at least nixon are still doing their 'thing' under obama.(how much is that fuck kissinger still calling the shots?)
Too much points to the continuance of a set agenda and/or goal, otherwise, our 'new' president would have already made some very decisive actions to hold those responsible for this mess accountable and made decisions that would have stopped this attack on the american people, the people of the world and the very much accellerated destruction of the planet's natural resources not to forget either that the pollution that continues unabated for the convenience of the corporate sector.
So this all has to be coming down from 'above' through some plan for an upcoming event that will not be kind to what is left of the so called middle class and it is obama's ball now because he just went in for the last team that just left and his actions speak far louder to me than his well 'oiled' coated snake tongue's words.
So? Who are we? Well, luckless fools if you ask me because we still foolishly stand around hoping tomorrow our precious leaders will finally take charge... and if not tomorrow then the next day or maybe next week or month or year, hell, next century.
A big hint, the msm better get fixed first otherwise nothing changes!
The ARticle From Truthout
"DESTROYING INDIGENOUS POPULATIONS" is really just a Symbol of the US History defined by General Smedley Butler - US MARINES, 1933:
"OUR FOREIGN POLICY HAS ALWAYS been geared towards gathering as much of the world's resources unto ourselves at the expense of others...we are a PREDATOR NATION and a Nation of Racketeers".
and John Perkins , US Former CIA Economic Hitman (2008/2009 interviews) :
"WE are an Empire...and we have gotten away with it through manipulation, torture, murder, assassinations, blackmail, fomenting insurrections and destabilizing uncooperative governments, covert and overt wars and Plain Thievery of other nation's resources ..our project is designed to render weaker nations PERMANENTLY subjugated to the will of our Chamber of Commerce....it is all part of a Very , Very Vicious system of Exploitation that Dehumanizes and Enslaves people Everywhere".
Saturday 20 June 2009
by: Dahr Jamail, t r u t h o u t | Perspective
DESTROYING INDIGENOUS POPULATIONS
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Most of the Sioux's land has been taken, and what remains has been laid waste by radioactive pollution. (Photo: Library of Congress)
The Fort Laramie Treaty once guaranteed the Sioux Nation the right to a large area of their original land, which spanned several states and included their sacred Black Hills, where they were to have "the absolute and undisturbed use and occupation" of the land.
However, when gold was discovered in the Black Hills, President Ulysses S. Grant told the army to look the other way in order to allow gold miners to enter the territory. After repeated violations of the exclusive rights to the land by gold prospectors and by migrant workers crossing the reservation borders, the US government seized the Black Hills land in 1877.
Charmaine White Face, an Oglala Tetuwan who lives on the Pine Ridge Reservation, is the spokesperson for the Teton Sioux Nation Treaty Council (TSNTC), established in 1893 to uphold the terms of the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868. She is also coordinator of the voluntary group, Defenders of the Black Hills, that works to preserve and protect the environment where they live.
"We call gold the metal which makes men crazy," White Face told Truthout while in New York to attend the annual Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues at the United Nations in late May. "Knowing they could not conquer us like they wanted to ... because when you are fighting for your life, or the life of your family, you will do anything you can ... or fighting for someplace sacred like the Black Hills you will do whatever you can ... so they had to put us in prisoner of war camps. I come from POW camp 344, the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. We want our treaties upheld, we want our land back."
Most of the Sioux's land has been taken, and what remains has been laid waste by radioactive pollution.
"Nothing grows in these areas - nothing can grow. They are too radioactive," White Face said.
Although the Black Hills and adjoining areas are sacred to the indigenous peoples and nations of the region, their attempts at reclamation are not based on religious claims but on the provisions of the Constitution. The occupation of indigenous land by the US government is in direct violation of its own law, according to White Face.
...and some wonder why we are called the Great Satan?
It's surprising this hasn't caught on in more cultures! Our history of treating 'others' is abominable (and that is a kind word).
To top it off, by pretending that this is a democracy, even while having absolutely no say as to what those in power do in our names, we encourage and enable this.
She references Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
The spokesperson for the TSNTC declares, "We need our treaty upheld. We want it back. Without it we are disappearing. They might have made us into brown Americans who speak the English language and eat a different kind of food, and are not able to live with the buffalo like we are supposed to, but that is like a lion in a cage. You can feed it and it will reproduce, but it is only a real lion when it gets its freedom and can be who it's supposed to be. That's how we are. We are like that lion in a cage. We are not free right now. We need to be able to govern ourselves the way we did before."
Delegations from the TSNTC began their efforts in the United Nations in 1984 after exhausting all strategies for solution within the United States.
Homeland Contamination
There is uranium all around the Black Hills, South and North Dakota, Wyoming and Montana. Mining companies came in and dug large holes through these lands to extract uranium in the 1950's and 1960's prior to any prohibitive regulations. Abandoned uranium mines in southwestern South Dakota number 142. In the Cave Hills area, another sacred place in South Dakota used for vision quests and burial sites, there are 89 abandoned uranium mines.
In an essay called "Native North America: The Political Economy of Radioactive Colonialism," political activists Ward Churchill and Winona LaDuke state that former US President Richard Nixon declared the 1868 Treaty Territory a "National Sacrifice Area," implying that the territory, and its people, were being sacrificed to uranium and nuclear radiation.
The worst part, according to White Face, is that, "None of these abandoned mines have been marked. They never filled them up, they never capped them. There are no warning signs ... nothing. The Forest Service even advertises the Picnic Springs Campground as a tourist place. It's about a mile away from the Cave Hills uranium mines."
The region is honeycombed with exploratory wells that have been dug as far down as six to eight hundred feet. In the southwestern Black Hills area, there are more than 4,000 uranium exploratory wells. On the Wyoming side of the Black Hills, there are 3,000 wells. Further north into North Dakota, there are more than a thousand wells.
The Black Hills and its surroundings are the recharge area for several major aquifers in the South Dakota, Nebraska, and Wyoming regions. The crisis can be gauged from the simple description that White Face gives: "When the winds come, they pick up the [uranium] dust and carry it; when it rains or snows, it washes it down into the aquifers and groundwater. Much of this radioactive contamination then finds its way into the Missouri River."
She informs us that twelve residents out of about 600 of the sparsely populated county of Cave Hills have developed brain tumors. A nuclear physicist has declared one mine in the area to be as radioactively "hot" as ground zero of Hiroshima.
Red Shirt, a village along the Cheyenne River on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, has had its water tested high for radiation and local animals have died after consuming fish from the river.
After three daughters of a family and their mother died of cancer, a family requested White Face to have the municipal water tested. The radiation levels were found to be equal to those inside an x-ray machine. Little wonder then that the surviving sons and their father are afflicted with the disease. People procuring their grain and cattle from the region are advised to be extra cautious.
One cannot but feel the desperation of her people when White Face bemoans, "It's pure genocide for us. We are all dying from cancer. We are trying not to become extinct, not to let the Great Sioux Nation become extinct."
The Ogala Sioux are engaged in ongoing legal battles with the pro-uranium state of South Dakota. They are aware of the unequal nature of their battle, but they cannot afford to give up. White Face explains how "... Our last court case was lost before learning that the judge was a former lawyer for one of the mining companies. Also, the governor's sister and brother-in-law work for mining companies [Powertech] and a professor, hired by the Forest Service to test water run-off for contamination, is on contract with a company that works for the mining company. When I found out the judge was a lawyer for the mining company I knew we would lose, but we went ahead with the case for the publicity, because we have to keep waking people up."
Other tribes, such as the Navajo and Hopi in New Mexico, have been exposed to radioactive material as well. Furthermore, the July 16, 1979, spill of 100 million gallons of radioactive water containing uranium tailings from a tailing pond into the north arm of the Rio Puerco, near the small town of Church Rock, New Mexico, also affected indigenous peoples in Arizona.
Her rage and grief are evident as White Face laments, "When we have our prayer gatherings we ask that no young people come to attend. If you want to have children don't come to Cave Hills because it's too radioactive."
The exploitative approach to the planet's resources and peoples that led to these environmental and health disasters collides with White Face's values: "I always say that you have to learn to live with the earth, and not in domination of the earth."
Nuking the Colonies
The US government practices another approach. In occupied Iraq and Afghanistan, the uranium that has caused genocide of sorts at home has proceeded to wreak new havoc.
Two Iraqi NGO's, the Monitoring Net of Human Rights in Iraq (MHRI) and the Conservation Center of Environment and Reserves in Fallujah (CCERF) have extensively documented the effects of restricted weapons, such as depleted uranium (DU) munitions, against the people of Fallujah during two massive US military assaults on the city in 2004.
In March 2008, the NGO's were to present a report titled "Prohibited Weapons Crisis: The effects of pollution on the public health in Fallujah" to the 7th Session of the United Nations Human Rights Council
Muhammad al-Darraji, director, MHRI and president, CCERF, was to present the report with an appeal, "We are kindly asking the High Commissioner for Human Rights to look at the content of the report in accordance with the General Assembly's resolution 48/ 141 (paragraph 4) of 20 December 1993, to investigate the serious threat (to the) health right in Fallujah and Iraq, and to relay the results of this investigation to the Commission on Human Rights to take the suitable decisions."
Attached to the aforementioned is another report co-authored by Dr. Najim Askouri, a nuclear physicist trained in Britain and a leading Iraqi nuclear researcher and Dr. Assad al-Janabi, director of the Pathology Department at the 400-bed public hospital in Najaf. Their report includes a section on the "Depleted Uranium Crisis" from Najaf, 180 miles from where DU was used in the First Gulf War.
Dr. Najim begins the report by noting that Coalition Forces, mostly US, used 350 tons of DU weapons in about 45 days in 1991, primarily in the stretch of Iraq northwest of Kuwait where Iraqi troops were on their retreat. Then, in 2003, during the Shock and Awe bombing of Baghdad, the US used another 150 tons of DU. He says that cancer is spreading from the conflict area as a health epidemic and will only get worse. The cancer rate has more than tripled over the last 16 years in Najaf.
According to Dr. Najim, "When DU hits a target, it aerosolizes and oxidizes, forming a uranium oxide that is two parts UO3 and one part UO2. The first is water soluble and filters down into the water aquifers and also becomes part of the food chain as plants take up the UO3 dissolved in water. The UO2 is insoluble and settles as dust on the surface of the earth and is blown by the winds to other locations. As aerosolized dust, it can enter the lungs and begin to cause problems as it can cross cell walls and even impact the genetic system."
One of Dr. Najim's grandsons was born with congenital heart problems, Down Syndrome, an underdeveloped liver and leukemia. He believes that the problems are related to the child's parents having been exposed to DU.
Detailing a skyrocketing rate of cancer and other pollution-related illnesses among the population of Fallujah since the two sieges, the report states, "Starting in 2004 when the political situation and devastation of the health care infrastructure were at their worst, there were 251 reported cases of cancer. By 2006, when the numbers more accurately reflected the real situation, that figure had risen to 688. Already in 2007, 801 cancer cases have been reported. Those figures portray an incidence rate of 28.21 [per 100,000] by 2006, even after screening out cases that came into the Najaf Hospital from outside the governorate, a number which contrasts with the normal rate of 8-12 cases of cancer per 100,000 people.
"Two observations are striking. One, there has been a dramatic increase in the cancers that are related to radiation exposure, especially the very rare soft tissue sarcoma and leukemia. Two, the age at which cancer begins in an individual has been dropping rapidly, with incidents of breast cancer at 16 (years of age), colon cancer at 8 (years of age), and liposarcoma at 1.5 years (of age)." Dr. Assad noted that 6 percent of the cancers reported occurred in the 11-20 age range and another 18 percent in ages 21-30.
"The importance of this information confirms there is a big disaster in this city.... The main civilian victims of most illnesses were the children, and the rate of them represents 72 percent of total illness cases of 2006, most of them between the ages of 1 month and 12 years.... Many new types and terrible amounts of illnesses started to appear [from] 2006 until now, such as Congenital Spinal cord abnormalities, Congenital Renal abnormalities, Septicemia, Meningitis, Thalassemia, as well as a significant number of undiagnosed cases at different ages. The speed of the appearance these signals of pollution after one year of military operations refers to the use of a great amount of prohibited weapons used in 2004 battles. The continued pollution maybe will lead to a genetic drift, starting to appear with many abnormalities in children, because the problems were related to exposure of the child's parents to pollution sources and this may lead to more new abnormalities in the f uture. According to the security situation with many checkpoints and irregular cards to allow the civilians to enter or exit the city until now, all this helps to continue the terrible situation for this time. Therefore, we think that all these data is only 50 percent of the real numbers of illnesses."
The Sioux tell their youth to avoid their radioactive native lands if they wish to procreate and prosper. Those in Iraq have no option but to lead maimed lives in their native land.
On February 4, 2009, Muhammad al-Darraji sent President Barack Obama a letter, along with the aforementioned report. A few excerpts are presented here:
"We have the honor to submit with this letter our report on the effects on public health of prohibited weapons used by the United States during its military operations in Fallujah (March-November 2004). It was our intention to present the report to the Human Rights Council of the United Nations on 4 March 2008, but both security and political reasons played a significant role in making this task impossible. The report, now in your hands, contains vast evidence and documentation on the catastrophic and continuous pollution in Iraq (to prevent) which nobody has taken any real action to help the victims or clean up polluted places. Some months ago, and in June 2008, I sent this report directly to some US congressmen. Two of them went to my town, Fallujah, and visited the general hospital to investigate the claims contained in our report. No substantial result came out of this visit. In February 2009 one of my colleagues, who worked in the hospital's statistical office and helped gather information about the pollution, was killed by unknown individuals. The blood of my friend is the driving force that led me to write to you directly in order for you to release the facts for which my friend paid with his life. Therefore, we are kindly asking you to look at the content of the attached report and to investigate the serious threats to the right to life of the inhabitants of Fallujah and other polluted places in Iraq, as well as to publicly release the results of this investigation under right of information about what really happened in Iraq."
The president has yet to respond.
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Jason Coppola and Bhaswati Sengupta contributed to this article.
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Dahr Jamail, an independent journalist, is the author of "Beyond the Green Zone: Dispatches From an Unembedded Journalist in Occupied Iraq," (Haymarket Books, 2007). Jamail reported from occupied Iraq for eight months as well as from Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Turkey over the last four years.
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Sioux Rose
TEDDY: Powerful posts!
SiouxRose -- that article about Destroying Indigenous populations - it really makes me weep...it's just so heartbreaking.
and MEANWHILE - obama has the GALL to say to IRAN:
that "the world is offended by the deaths and violence" -
AT THE SAME TIME that HIS own US EMPIRE Drone Attacks struck another wedding party - (in search of course for "terrorists") - and killed 60 people....AND hsi own Afghan-Pakistan "surge" has already displaced MILLIONS of people from their homes and villages....
at the same time that the long-genocide of Native Indians continues unabated - at the SAME time that America's NAFTA is directly responsible for massacres of Native Indians in South america trying to protect their forests...at the same time as........
welll---- what else is there to say?
does the USA have NO limit in its mendacity and cravenness and hypocrisy?....
"does the USA have NO limit in its mendacity and cravenness and hypocrisy?...."
perhaps that's what they're trying to find out . . .
"And yet we’ve embraced it, asserting that there are people who are far too dangerous to even think about releasing but who cannot be put on trial because we have no real evidence that they have committed any crime, or because we’ve tortured them and therefore the evidence would not be admissible, or whatever"
It is odd that I have not heard much in the way of consideration that the only real reason these people may be too dangerous to release is because they've been kidnapped, held without trial or legal counsel, presumed guilty, and tortured. They might be justifiably angry about it, enough to be unwilling to relinquish any ties to the unsavory world they have been accused of being a part of, or might actually seek such ties once released due only to the way they've been treated.
My own ancestry in this country leads directly back to the Hessians captured by Washington during the Revolution, many of whom switched loyalty after they were captured and held prisoner simply because they were treated better by their Yankee captors than by the British who had bought their mercenary services, services they were forced to offer to the world's monarchs and emperors due to the fact that they were divested of productive livelihood and land in their own homeland, a part of what is now Germany, by those same leaders who used them to further their own Imperial aims.
I've told this story so many times in the past seven years it bores me, but it bears repeating in a time when a president who promises change with his mouth, but does everything to stay inestimably attached to the status quo, actually sees some usefulness in the anti-democratic maladies introduced by his discredited predecessors.
But then, I failed to see any indication before his election that, aside from a much appreciated and woefully missed talent for speechifying, any real change was forthcoming, judging from the kinds of equivocated actions that were present during the course of the campaign. I voted Green.
This does not negate the nature of justified celebration we all felt when Bush was gone after the first non-Caucasian president won in an election process that had been sorely compromised especially in the previous two elections.
Is Bush really gone? His policies certainly remain, thanks to who you call "the first non-Caucasian president". So the "justified celebration" was in fact a superficial silliness, a symbolic banality. There were other black war criminals who achieved prominence like Obama: Powell and Rice.
as I told my friend who was "proud to have voted for and elected a black man" - even Mugabe was elected.
I tend to agree with you, but celebrate the symbol... or rather the falling of the symbol of the presidency being the exclusive territory of white guys.
That blacks and women are just as suceptible to becoming representatives of the evil in any Imperial empire perhaps only demonstrates the basic premises of the Declaration of Independence, however in something of a reverse way: can we assume that human frailty and evil are equally represented in all races and genders, just as goodness is? For me both Obama and H. Clinton have clearly proven that political evils have no racial or gender boundaries when it becomes necessary to protect and sustain the status quo over the changes needed to move that status quo in a more ethical direction. If that ain't equality I don't know what is.
the real reason they are dangerous is because they are DANGEROUS to government....because they will tell the TRUTH about what was done TO them . REGARDLESS of their status as terrorists or not.
what was done TO them is in fact called STATE TERRORISM - the USA practices it, BETTER, MORE EXPERTLY than any other nation...the others are NOTHING compared to the USA in this particular EXPERTISE.
using ITS "monopoly on violence" - from having guards with arms, to shackles, to expensive prisons, to high-tech surveillance, to drones, to bombs, to planes and aircraft carriers, to Police and firement standing in as spies on the population, to even its so-called "laws of order" which are nothing but a PROTECTION RACKET for the Big Banks, Big Businesses etc....so that the people will not OPPOSE the status quo or be threatened with being ostracised or worse -- jailed ....it's all a MONOPOLY ON VIOLENCE .
the only words fit for OBAMA at this point is "STFU" if you can't speak from BOTH sides of your mouth. coz the WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING and you haven't GAINED an IOTA of being and making the USA
WORTHY of being LISTENED TO or TRUSTED!
So what do we do now folks? Is anyone familiar with how to go about a tax protest? I'm not all that eager to live in a cage but I'm really feeling sick about giving any support to the organized crime cabal that has taken over our country.
"It was thought by many that a President Obama would put a stop to the madness..."
No - it was hoped by many who simply refused to accept the facts on the ground, most namely BO's regular campaign promise to continue and 'win' the "war on terror."
"War on Terror" = a "nightmarish approach to national security."
Some of us of the non-many heard him loud and clear.
Deepa
Bob Herbert, do you really want an honest answer to your question: "Who Are We?"
My answer is based on the US history and the present reality:
YOU are EUROPEAN INVADERS, PLUNDERERS, and KILLERS of Native Americans;
YOU are the SUCKERS of blood of slaves to fatten your body and heart;
YOU remain the CANNIBALS, who feed on the flesh and blood of innocent children, women and men of other countries;
YOU remain the INVADERS, PLUNDERERS, AND KILLERS.
"YOU" meaning the ruling class...right?
Deepa
Let me just give two examples to support my comment:
- General Suharto, a close ally of the US, came to power in October 1965 through a military coup by massacring an estimated 500,000-1,000,000 people. On March 12, 1966 The New York Times described it as "one of the most savage mass slaughters of modern political history." Commenting on the US role in this genocide, Gabriel Kolko, a historian, wrote, “No single American action in the period after 1945 was as bloodthirsty as its role in Indonesia, for it tried to initiate the massacre.”
During Hearings on Foreign Assistance before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in 1966, US Senator Sparkman asked Robert McNamara, then US Secretary of Defense: “At a time when Indonesia was kicking up pretty badly - when we were getting a lot of criticism for continuing military aid - at that time we could not say what that military aid was for. Is it secret anymore?” McNamara replied, “I think in retrospect, that the aid was well justified.” When Sparkman asked again, “You think it paid dividends?” McNamara responded, “I do, sir.”
- The US soldiers’ CANNIBALISM in Iraq is epitomized by a video posted on the YouTube website. This video, called "Hadji Girl", shows a serving US Marine in uniform strumming a guitar and singing about killing Iraqis, while his colleagues laughed and cheered. It also refers to Iraqis as "hajis", a term usually applied to someone who has completed the pilgrimage to Mecca, but commonly used among the US troops as a derogatory term for the Iraqis. The four-minute song includes graphic descriptions of killings. Dressed in a green T-shirt and military style trousers and boots, the American psychopath sings: "I grabbed her little sister and put her in front of me. As the bullets began to fly, the blood sprayed from between her eyes, and then I laughed maniacally."
As strongly as language needs to put it, as DiRECTLY and without further mincing of words - THAT is what the USA has been. as Deepa points out.
to be sure - americans are also people - with families, lives, dreams, etc who hope for the best for themselves and their loved ones.
BUT that is where it seems to stop. americans in general have become a nation of ENABLERS because of their own delusions about "being american" .
indirectly or directly, innocently or knowingly - the WARS of American Empire - both economic and military and cultural - CAN NOT BE separated from the "american way of life".
that is exactly what John Perkins , Former Cia "Economic Hitman" has described :
"WE AMERICANS DO NOT REALLY UNDERSTAND OR ADMIT that we are only living our lifestyles because it is ONLY PART of a Very, Very Vicious System of Exploitation that Dehumanizes and Enslaves People Everywhere".
Thank you teddy, this is analogous to a description of the Third Reich. "...a Very, Very Vicious System..." just much, much more refined.
Superlatives of abomination simply fail the description. Read and shudder:
“Collateral Damage” by E. P Heidner, part I and II.
>>> www.scribd.com/people/documents/2169400-ep-heidner <<<
I would pose the theory that many Americans have become MORE than enablers, because their delusions about "being American" include a sense of exceptionalism (i.e. we can do no wrong) and a very overt push for the American military to roll over the rest of the world.
and just ANOTHER CURRENT example to ADD to the history of US imperial exploitation :
In south america - another rightwing country, chile, a client of US "chamber of commerce" dictates through NAFTA - has just been massacring NATIVE INDIANS who have been trying to protect the forests from logging and other corporate concessions.
WHAT is the HAND behind all of that? the USA of course.
the USA doesn't LIKE EVO MORALES of Ecuador because he has put in place a Constitution that natives had long wanted to INCLUDE:
"THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE and the RIGHTS OF NATIVE ENVIRONMENT from harmful exploitation".
I completely agree with what you are saying in all of your posts.
I just wanted to make one minor correction.
Rafael Correa is the president of Ecuador... not Evo Morales. Mr Morales is the president of Boliva.
But, you stand correct with the fact that the US gov't doesn't like Morales or Correa because they are saying NO to neo-liberalism and US exploitation.
Substitute “we” for “you” and there may be a point.
The president deserves credit for unequivocally banning torture...
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Mr. Herbert you obviously don't read Jeremy Scahill.
The torture is continuing at Gitmo and Obama is looking the other way.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/15-9
Major point.
If he deserves credit for equivocally banning torture, he deserves responsibility for torturing.
what it is, is:
OBAMA's VERSIOn of the SAME thing.
it is papered over with his fine rhetoric standing in for george bush's clumsy speeches..but what does it really amount to?
just DRESSING UP the same EVIL , CRAVEN things more "attractively" so americans in general - already themselves probably almost devoid of REAL CONSCIENCE anyway - can continue to "believe" in "america" - and "believe" that "we are REGAINING OUR MORAL high ground"
EVEN IF - their entire existence and culture of "americanISM" has been founded AND maintained UPON
EXACTLY such things as Torture, CRUELTY, UNFAIR trade, LIES, MYTHS etc...
the truth of the matter is - NO COUNTRY in the history of the world has been SUCH a DESTRUCTIVE force and the cause of SO MUCH WAR and UNNECESSARY suffering across the globe as a consequence of its IMperial , exceptionalist MYTHOLOGIES!
the ROMANS - for all their own cruelties STILL left eh world with much of what are considered among the highest intellectual achievemtns - such as Law, Jurispudence, Architecture, Engineering, etc...
the GREEKS - despite THEIR own period of Cruelties and sense of exceptionalism STILL left the world with the highest achievements of Thinking, of Inquiry, of sense of TRUTH no matter the consequence and Art and Philosophy and scientific inquiry
the PERSIANS and INDIANS and OTTOMANS despite THEIR cruelties STILL left the world with much of the Mathematical foundations of our ENTIRE civilization ...and the richness and depth of their art , culture, literature, religions and music and commerce
WHAT HAS THE USA REALLY contributed APART from
"Gathering as much of the world's resources unto ourselves at the expense of others"
AFTER BUILDING technologies based on what Former Civilizations had created foundations with - in order tob ecome the world's PRIME THREAT for the destruction of our owncivilization and planet?
ONLY THIS:
PROFITEERING! that's .............it. the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR. .
a piece of woven cloth marked with sublimities that mean NONSENSE and is a contribution to humankind's WORST instincts of greed and selfishness and exploitation .
and its LEADERS have the GALL to "teach democracy, governance, and social order and culture?"
it is SO LAUGHABLE if it wasn't so tragic in its hypocrisy and self-delusions.
Through example, Obama is teaching Americans how to abandon principle for the sake of self-interest and how to connect not to individual conscience and human freedom but instead to amorality and the power of the free market.
That is, Obama is using "pragmatism" to show Americans how to abandon the core beliefs at the heart of American government--who we are.
We are the slaves of the owning class.
Blackbush is just as bad as Whitebush.
Obama isn't BV$H! He's a better BV$H.
0 has brought transparency.
I can see right through him.
Good one!
Amen! Bullseye!
It's simple: "We" are the Nazis of the 21st century.
Some around the world already refer to it as the Fourth Reich.
So long as Bush and that cabal walk free, I see no reason to obey any law I can break and get away with.
one old atheist
The CABAL !
That's a good description.
Read below and you will get a picture, which will be extremely hard to swallow and very painful to digest: “Collateral Damage” by E. P Heidner, part I and II.
>>>> www.scribd.com/people/documents/2169400-ep-heidner <<<<
The two documents have just recently been published and are very well researched and referenced (over 400 footnotes). The articles are lengthy, some parts not easy to follow and to digest and they need to be read with an open mind. But they are well worth the effort. They provide the most distressing information (some reads like a thriller).
The implications will challenge how we look at politics, economy, history, finance, war and terrorism. Many persons in the documents are well known; many are right now in pivotal positions of politics and finance. These people do shape OUR life and that of our children right now. The details are stunning. The consequences are BEYOND BELIEF.
How do you turn a liberal into a conservative? Give him lots of money and power.
To the Question by BOB HERBERT - who is one of my favorite writers :
the answer was long ago given :
GENERAL SMEDLEY BUTLER , US MARINES, 1933 speeches:
"WE ARE A NATION OF PREDATORS AND RACKETEERS..Our Foreign Policy has alwasy been geared towards gathering as much of the world's resources unto ourselves at the expense of others...we have our Big Corporations, Big Finance, Big Banks and our Chamber of Commerce...and their Big Brains who identify and mark those to be destroyed as threats to our will...our US Armed Forces's TRUE purpose is to make the World Safe for our Capitalism and our Cultural and Economic Assault.....and i was its chief Enforcer for 30 years, in 3 Continents...The Trouble with US Americans is - if our Dollar can not buy more than 5% of its own value at home -- we go abroad so it can buy 100% more...and where the Dollar Goes, the Flag Follows, where the Flag goes, our Army Follows..it has nothing to do with justice, or democracy or fairness...it is all about Serving our BIG BOSS. our Supernationalistic Capitalism....i will have no more to do with it, it is EVIL".
and Recently updated by
JOHN PERKINS, former CIA "economic hitman":
"WE are an EMPIRE. the largest the world has ever known - and we have gotten away with building this empire through manipulation, torture, murder, assassinations, fomenting rebellions and instabilities against uncooperative governments, supporting friendly dictators, blackmail and Plain Thievery of other nations' resources....I was part of this Project of Empire...Our Foreign policy is geared towards ensuring that weaker nations become PERMANENTLY subjugated to our will".
"Most Americans do not really understand or admit that the reason we are living our lifestyles is because it is ONLY PART of a Very, Very Vicious System of Explotaitation that Dehumanizes and Enslaves People Everywhere".
teddy,excellant response! Isn't it ironic that former generals like "Ike" and Smedly,and ex-company men like Perkins and others find enlightenment in retirement?I think the mark of a good journalist like Bob Herbert is asking very pointed questions?That is why alot of polititions pre-screen questions for consideration at public forums.Chris Dodd and Chris Murphy recently did that at a Town Hall style forum I recently attended.Questions like reheated Pabulum and answers like lumpy Cream of Wheat...no substance at all. peace
Exactly. We are also experts in PR, at least inside the country. Outside the country the "jig" has been up for some time.
excellent quotes, the vast majority (90%+) Americans have no idea. The education, cultural socialization, and conditioning by the media and govt. make sure of that
Seated on the far right of the plane are the republicans, being the biggest whiny brats, they get the window seats. While seated next to them are the democrats who willingly hand the republicans the drinks and hors d'oevres, (of course it's all first class). The left seating of the plane is pretty much empty, a few trouble makers, Kucinich, McKinney, even Ron Paul has to sit there because he's such a pain and they don't want to hear his crap about accountability and transparency and ending the wars.
Tilting seriously to the right the plane just circles and circles, around and around it goes, and the drinks just keep on coming.
I LOVE this extended metaphor, love it, love it, love it, and shall steal it shamelessly.
I have to say . . . that was one of the most poignant analogies I have read.
The further inflammation of anti-American opinion upon the release of detainees would occur most prominently and dangerously on Fox News and within the GOP.
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The only thing worse than a lier in the most powerful position in the world is a gifted lier...
Mr. obama seems to be able to pull the wool over the eyes of the majority of the amerikan people while still killing people all over the world. And the amassing thing to me is that any one would listen to someone who has to use a teleprompter to find his way to the bathroom..It really makes one stop watching the news and be grateful that I am not 10 years old and facing what is coming down.
I was about to mention that. The old PR meme about our moral compass is getting dog eared. Personally I think Herbert gets it and is just writing in code to Oblabla that the masses are on to him and if they don't get some crumbs disguised as significant progressive reform soon, Nader, Kucinich or Ron Paul with a new party will take over. The press is part of the establishment and will continue to defend it and undermine progressive legislation. A rejection of Obama MUST be gamed so it falls into republican hands. These hope killing bastard elites are single minded.
who are we? addicts. some recovering and some seeking and receiving more enabling than an addict could ask for. and what are we recovering -those of us attempting to find our sanity in truth- FROM? i can't find any better description than the soliloquy of that nasty corporate whip that shouts at howard beale in the conference room scene from 'network':
THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY! THERE IS ONLY ONE HOLISTIC SYSTEM OF SYSTEMS! ONE VAST AND IMMANE, INTERWOVEN, INTERACTING, MULTIVARIANT, MULTINATIONAL DOMINION OF DOLLARS! PETRO DOLLARS, ELECTRO DOLLARS, MULTI-DOLLARS!... IT IS THE INTERNATIONAL SYSTEM OF CURRENCY WHICH DETERMINES THE TOTALITY OF LIFE ON THIS PLANET. THAT IS THE NATURAL ORDER OF THINGS TODAY.
we can speculate all we want on obama's courage or lack thereof, but what it really comes down to is our individual and collective recovery.... getting off the sauce, doesn't it?
you'd think we'd all be able to find lots and lots and lots of sponsors. anybody workin on this? consumers anonymous or fossil-fools anonymous, anyone?
First they came for the foreign terrorists and I did not speak because I was not a foreign terrorist.
Then they came the domestic terrorists and I did not speak because I was not a domestic terrorist.
Then they came the dissidents and I did not speak because I was not a dissident.
Then they came the activists and I did not speak because I was not a activist.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.
With apologies to Martin Niemöller.
This witty response should make us all think. Yet, how long will people continue to make excuses for what our government is doing? It doesn’t seem to matter if it is Democratic or Republican who at the helm, because the same policies continue under both parties.
Will we the people have the courage, strength and will to do what it takes to bring this country back to the right path? Will those who have some power form a third party and be a leader who the American people can trust to tell them the truth and stand for the principles this country was founded on? I hope and pray there is, but I have to wonder if there is a will to do what is morally right as a country anymore?
It seems people would like to just take the easy way and continue to deny that those people in power have only thought about what was best for them and not for the country. I wonder if they even truly love this natian or if it is just something they say around election time but don’t really love this country with a true heart?
I truly love this nation and it breaks my heart to see and know what we have become and it breaks my heart even more to see that so many Americans don’t seem to care enough to at least try and start another political party to elect people who are not corrupted but who will do the right thing and tell the truth.
We need a leader who is not afraid to tell us the American people the truth. Tell us just how bad a shape we are in, and what your plan is save this country. We may fail, but at least we had the courage to try to save this country.
The more I read books on spirituality and happiness, the more I wonder "Why can't America just learn to find its inner strengths and use it towards peaceful and loving solutions and ideas?" From borrowing Saudi Arabia's religious tyrannical ideas to copy the bad aspects of the French version of justice where your presumed guilty until proven innocent, I suspect that our failure to find our country's inner strength is the reason we elect all the wrong pols to misrepresent and fail us completely. I had a lovely discussion yesterday with Moondoggy on this matter when I posted under that Iran topic and yes, I came to his defense because I truly believed that our meddling with other nations while allowing our own to rot from within is a strong reason that we must unite to find our country's inner strength for love and peace. In time, other nations will follow.
"tyrannical ideas to copy the bad aspects of the French version of justice"
Even people on a site like CD believe this propaganda, that is WRONG about the French justice system. This Anglo centric view is WRONG. It is self satisfied Anglo-Saxon, Anglo-American propaganda.
Article 9 of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen:
"Everyone is supposed innocent until having been declared guilty."
Also, the preliminary article of the criminal code:
"any suspected or prosecuted person is presumed to be innocent until their guilt has been established"
The French Constitutional Council threw out an attempt by the government to institute a three strikes law recently. The Council's opinion:
"Moreover, whereas under section nine of the Declaration of 1789, every man is presumed innocent until has has been proven guilty, it follows that in principle the legislature does not establish a presumption of guilt in criminal matters". This basic principle applies "to any sanction in the nature of punishment, even if the legislature has left the decision to an authority that is nonjudicial in nature.
Perhaps it was from a previous French Constitution and the idea stuck in American (un)consciousness. France has gone through several different republics...do they create a new Constitution each time?
The more I read books on spirituality and happiness, the more I wonder "Why can't America just learn to find its inner strengths and use it towards peaceful and loving solutions and ideas?"
That is an excellent question, Jennifer. In order to answer it you must find the prime motivator(s) of human behavior in the U.S. According to psychology, humans are governed by Maslow's hierarchy of needs. It starts with basic stuff like breathing, eating, bodily excretory functions, etc. and goes along an "achievement" path. I.E. if you can't breathe, you aren't going to think about poop or hunger. Once you get to the social interaction area, things start getting complicated. Peer group acceptance is a very big motivator. Different societies have different "cultural strait jackets" which define the "right" way to be. In the U.S. (and some other countries as well) we have a class structure with a VERY different indoctrination for the different class levels. The bottom line is that the rich NEVER think about food, clothing, cars, houses, money and other "things" the way you or I do. They also never think about laws and the consequences of breaking them as you or I do. Their class makes the laws for all of us, you see? Their world is about power over people. The more power, the more "peer group acceptance". They generate all the money for the PR to bamboozle the masses. They see religion as just another tool for manipulation and power. Their loyalty is to the elite. They fancy that "God", right and wrong, conscience, etc. are all subjects for the rubes to quarrel about. Their peers consider them abject failures if they embrace good will towards society. They are indoctrinated from birth in this. Some break away but the overwhelming majority are excellent actors without a shred of conscience and mighty proud of it too.
I need not mention our class (middle) values. The rich think we are fools for having them and have contempt for us. The search you are on is occuring in a social group that celebrates a spiritual search (the middle class). Hence, part of your behavior, from the elite's point of view, is motivated by peer group acceptance, NOT a genuine search for truth.
At any rate, I hope I have partially supplied an answer to the question you posed. And yeah, I had a chance to join hhe rich and rejected it because I think they are a bunch of losers. They're lack of love turns them into cruel zombies. But remember, they don't care. It's part and parcel of their culture and upbringing. And they run the world (this one, not the next one).
I am well aware of some of what you have said. The rest I shall keep notes of for future reference. Thank you so far. :)
"I suspect that our failure to find our country's inner strength is the reason we elect all the wrong pols to misrepresent and fail us completely."
I question the notion that we, that is, the American citizens, are given the opportunity to 'elect' anyone not 'pre-approved' for compliance...
Unfortunately, the 'inner strength' you refer to lies within the individuals that make up the citizenry...in other words, the very act of looking to someone else to solve your problem for you voids any solution...kind of like the Heisenberg uncertainty principle...the answer lies in letting go of the problem...if you can't nail down the electron, accept best probability...if others are not solving your issue ~ if they are, in fact, making it worse ~ then stop empowering them to affect you...take responsibility for yourself...I don't mean to preach to you, Jennifer, as I sense you know these things...I'm simply using your post as a soapbox, speaking as much to bolster my position within myself as to convince others...the road ahead lies in the self, and some selves are lazy and opportunistic...most selves, I hope, are not, and would embrace the chance to exercise self-direction...
The single, biggest problem I see in our world is our refusal to think and act according to our own observation and reflection, and to, instead, allow others to dominate our wills by inviting them to dictate what we see and contemplate...
Living by one's own lights is work, albeit enjoyable and fulfilling...easier, though diminishing and unfulfilling, to let others do it for us...therein lies destruction...
What you said I need to think about that. This looks like something to think more about.
Because as long as people who are hateful, racist, anti-intellectual, and lack compassion are bankrolled with their own media outlets without any forceful checks to their claims, millions of Americans will agree with these ideas and viciously oppose any attempts to create a peaceful and loving nation. They will claim it's un-American, it's amnesty to the illegals, it's welfare to the blacks, etc., and they will, and do, stop at nothing to stop it, including murder.
I read about that when I came across George Lakoff's "Moral Politics" 2nd edition. Reframing the issues and getting these same people off the insane "Strict Father Morality" thinking even when it doesn't benefit them is no easy task.
Jennifer, Lakoff's latest, "The Political Mind" will blow your mind.
Alan MacDonald
I have heard of that book although I hear that if I read "Moral Politics" and "Don't Think of an Elephant" that a lot of what's in that book isn't new. Still, I'm willing to give it a read somewhere down the road. First, I think I still have a long ways to go with understanding Lakoff's earlier works such as those two books I mentioned. Thanks.
That's why I love my job so much, it's important to counter these people. But the other side has way more funding and much better publicity...I wonder what it'll take to get them to stop.
I once read Thomas Frank's "What's the Matter with Kansas?" and according to Frank, dedicated economic populism can defeat money and that is what he said overcame the monied interests back then. However, taking the power of framing into account, the conservatives, well the radical rightwing really, learned from those lessons and figured out how to manipulate followed by the money. If the recent elections were any indication, it's going to take more than just populism and yet progressives and liberals will have to take some pages from the rightwing strategy book. I once got a hold of my father's notes while my brother was sleeping and discovered how conservatives unite and manipulate people. Lakoff was right that conservatives don't worry about the money because they have confidence that the money will pour in on top of their success. They tell their peers "Don't worry about the money. It'll come. Just get out there and do the job together." I can't really call them conservative when they're really political conservatives. Reading through on books on happiness, spiritual thinking, and even the basics of astrology in addition to my life's experiences, it is my guess that we cannot allow money to control our thinking. We must continue to take chances and not fall into concessions. The less we concede the more we succeed.
Jennifer-if this nation is to find its inner-spirituality it will have to forego its fascination with material objects, and then turn on the capitalistic piranhas that demand our time, energy, and focus in order to maintain their anti-spriritual hold on society.
Attach to that many Christians' beliefs that God wants them to be 'prosperous' in the materialistic sense, and you have a frightful, quasi-religious support system that will eventually rob us all of life, both material and spiritual.
I just finished Gandhi's autobiography and he constantly spoke of the necessity of complete, unadulterated truth as the basis for civil society. When one thinks of that creed, then contemplates what this country has become, the future indeed seems dim.
Odoco, you are so correct on how messed up Christianity has become. I doubt that Jesus would choose to be a Christian today. My parents, especially my father, used to be so much into religion and bug the lights out of me and my two brothers to attend church and keep thinking of religion. Up until the incidents in the past few months, my father used to keep acting so overprotective about me thinking differently and even insisted that God would punish me for thinking like a nonconformist. The economic crunch, my date hell on Valentine's Day, and my nearly losing my life due to health problems and later a car breakdown has lessoned his overprotective nature. I still don't feel like asking my parents why they keep thinking God will take care of ... all the time. I was never much of a dedicated Christian myself but wanted to do basic good. I would never use religion to justify any of my actions in life and I intend to keep it that way.
I have studied Gandhi and he is in fact one of my favorite historical figures for that inner strength and courage he put to great use even as he was forced to sacrifice so much against his own family. However, an Indian woman once told me that Gandhi is getting as much respect back in India as MLK is getting here in America and Jesus is getting in the Christian fundie circles. IOW, it's just a matter of uttering a famous name and yet quietly backstabbing their ideas while embracing the wrong ideologies that these same famous ones strongly opposed and for good reason.
> I still don't feel like asking my parents why they keep thinking God will take care of ... all the time. I was never much of a dedicated Christian myself but wanted to do basic good. I would never use religion to justify any of my actions in life and I intend to keep it that way."
Ever notice how "we" (meaning presumably our troops/nation in general) are always asking God to bless the U.S.A. Well...perhaps he has "blessed us" for all of the "wonderful" things we have done for humanity?
Nawww, just a fleeting thought.
I continue to receive these nice little emails from President Moral Failure and his lovely wife. Each time I get one I think of how all fascist governments attempt to control the message, assauge the masses, put the sweet and honey on each and every dripping syllable - AND THEN LIE, MISLEAD, OBSFUCATE AND CONCEAL WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING.
Obama is to true progressives what Bush was to true conservatives - a moral, ethical and intellectual failure. Bush was obviously stupid or simply suffered brain damage from years of alcoholism (and maybe more), and Obama is obviously intellectually gifted - AND THEY ARE BOTH MORAL COWARDS, AND YES - NOW BOTH WAR CRIMINALS. Once again I say, if obama covers Bush's crimes - Obama becomes an accomplice. He earns no respect from anyone who believes in the rule of law, the sanctity of other nations' sovereignty, or human rights.
More than 500 Guantanamo detainees have been released. Good. 99% should be released or charged. The 1% or so, who are deemed too knowledgeable in mass destruction or charismatically pathological should be reviewed by a truly independent body or at least a Senate panel. Then if deemed unreleasable, too bad for them.
"by a truly independent body"
Yes. A court of law.
Unfortunately there are a few individuals that I would guess, pose a real danger, but for various reasons are unconvictable. I realize it's a slippery slope to allow some to exist outside normal lawful bounds. To me, the greatest danger is to allow scores of individuals to become part of what would then be rightfully called a nightmare situation, which is about what we currently have.
Anyone who is "unconvictable" must be released, period. The "nightmare situation" you should fear is exactly what we have now, where we have so abandoned our own ideals that we are willing to lock up people for the rest of their lives without giving them fair, open trials where they have access to all the evidence against them and can defend themselves.
The world is FULL of individuals who "pose a real danger" to the U.S. Our strategy of trying to kill or imprison as many of them as we can is only creating more and more people with good cause to hate us and want to strike at the U.S.
We might want to consider changing our behavior, worldwide. It is the "nightmare" situations we have created in so many countries that will lead to our next 9/11, which will be celebrated by millions and millions of our victims.
"The world is FULL of individuals who "pose a real danger" to the U.S. Our strategy of trying to kill or imprison as many of them as we can is only creating more and more people with good cause to hate us and want to strike at the U.S." Yes, I totally agree. Still, I think there are on occasion an individual or 2 who for one reason or another is viewed as both extremely dangerous and unlikely to be found guilty in court. A future bin Laden, Hitler, or AQ Khan is better locked up in my opinion.
" A future bin Laden, Hitler, or AQ Khan is better locked up in my opinion."
So you are advocating for a legal system in which there are special laws for "special" people? Or "special" people to whom the legal system does not apply? Then in addition to pretending we can predict who will be a future bin Laden or Hitler, we must also predict who might be a future Tony Blair or George Bush (consider all their victims in Iraq, alone), or a future Harry Truman (someone who could order nuclear bombs dropped on the civilian populations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki), or Rush LImbaugh (skilled and dangerous propagandist), and then lock them up for life, too, to prevent the damage they MIGHT do? Many innocent people in Afganistan and Pakistan might be alive today if Barak Obama had been locked up for everyone's safety, years ago.
Or are you saying that all that matters is possible danger to Americans? Then shouldn't we be considering "prolonged detention" for, say, members of the Young Republicans, since they may be likely to become corporate executives who will continue to destroy American lives by denying them healthcare, poisoning the environment, selling unsafe products, and corrupting the government through bribery and extortion?
If we have a system where people in high positions can decide to lock up other people because they THINK they might pose a danger, but can't prove anything against them in a fair court of law, then we have a system of complete and utter tyranny.
I hate arguing for the position I take on this. It feels wrong and evil, but there are times when it would be the wise thing to do. Perhaps everything would work out well in most cases, using "a fair court of law." If the government hired the best lawyers and they made it totally clear to the jury that anything less than a guilty verdict could easily mean the death of good red-blooded Americans and that their fellow Americans would remember an innocent verdict and any repercussions to the jurors or their families would be truly unfortunate...yeah, it does seem possible that a fair court of law could render a proper verdict.
tell me - what's it like wearing a necklace of haemorrhoids?
It feels wrong and evil because what you espouse is wrong and evil, as I believe you well know.
"... and that their fellow Americans would remember an innocent verdict and any repercussions to the jurors or their families would be truly unfortunate ..."
Your ideas are truly repugnant.
Repugnant? Yes, very. But, stated or unstated, this thought would likely be in the heads of most jurors in the event of the trial of someone considered to be highly dangerous. In this scenario I'm sure the government would also enlist the aid of a 'hanging judge.'
tell me - what's it like wearing a necklace of haemorrhoids?
It is wrong and evil.
Preventively locking up someone, because he MIGHT commit some horrible crime in the future, is really no different from torturing someone, because he MIGHT know information that MIGHT prevent the death of poor little children.
In a perfect world, in a world where you can look in the future and know for a certainty that that person will indeed commit those crimes, then you have an argument for preventive detention.
Furthermore, Adolph Hitler's crimes were not inevitable. Nor did he commit them on his own. Are you also going to lock up every German who went along with those crimes?
Courts of law have evolved to deal with such questions.
I tire of the hyperbole of locking up every German and petrkrop's Young Republicans and I accede to the argument that a US jury is the way to go. Our good citizens are unlikely to release someone who even looks like a Mideasterner. Justice is truly blind, I'm sure, o yeah..
"I tire of the hyperbole of locking up every German"
I said every German who went along with Hitler's crimes. Not every single German. If you don't like the comparison, then don't bring up Hitler. A future Hitler cannot kill millions on his own.
Furthermore, that was one minor point. My main point is your desire for preventive detention. Unless you can look into the future, you have no guarantee of the effects of your preventive detention. What if preventively detaining someone leads to his supporters, his family, his whatever, to commit even more atrocious acts? What if preventively detaining someone only adds more fuel to the fire? And what happened to the idea of innocent until proven guilty?
Your last sentence is a strawman. I never made the argument that the courts are perfect, or even close to perfect. You will be hard pressed to find anyone in modern society who believes that the legal system is perfect, or anywhere close to being so. My argument is that the legal system is what society has created to deal with crimes. You appear to want to only use the legal system when it suits you. When it convicts the people you want convicted. When it doesn't, preventive detention and "independent" panels.
Who are we? Citizens of a cheesy casino who know we are citizens of a cheesy casino. There are no clocks. The lights are always on. It's noisy. Party on!
Even if one was an Obama supporter during the election process, the moment he crapped all over his pastor of 20 years should have given a person fair warning that all we had was a smooth talking politician. I suppose for many after GWB, the fact that Obama could put together a coherent sentence was enough reason to vote for him.
Who are we? I do not know who Bob Herbert thinks he is or who most Americans are but I believe I am the subject of a corporatist dictatorship who is trying to find allies over in the "free speech zone" left open in the hinterlands of the Internet, left open in accordance with the corporatists' belief that as long as they control the mainstream media, directly through ownership or editorial control or indirectly through flood speech, they have nothing to worry about. They may allow the occasional article by someone like Herbert that only assaults the program at the edges and that is based on the assumption that aggressive war and torture are aberrations, just as they allow what they believe to be innocuous websites like CD to remain open. Such magnanimity apparently does little to thwart the oligarchs in pursuing their grand schemes and can even be useful in demonstrating their "commitment to free speech," provided that such "free speech" can be appropriately and inevitably overwhelmed through flood speech by corporate "persons."
Unfortunately, "the hinterlands of the internet" will not last long, most likely. As more and more people get their news and views from the internet and start questioning the mainstream take on things, watch how net neutrality begins to wane and the powers that be start cracking down on "free speech" here.
I have to agree with that. It goes without saying that the corporatist oligarchs own more than two-thirds of the congressvermin and can get such legislation passed if they need to, regardless of how the electorate feels. It is no surprise that the growing disconnect between the desires and needs of the people and their congressvermin "representatives" is rarely remarked on by the corporatist media. So the corporatists understand that even if most of the people do at some point manage to see through the fog, with the help of those in the hinterlands of the Internet, and recognize what is going on they still will not be able to get their congressvermin to act. And when they try to elect replacements, which would have to be third party, the corporate media will make sure such alternatives are thoroughly discredited, either by making mountains out of molehills in the candidates' personal or professional lives or by simply fabricating stories. And if that does not work, there are always the electronic voting machines.
It is easy to get frustrated and tempting to reach for extreme solutions such as trying to blow a hole through this maze they have created for us, but there may be a better way out and I hope that progressives keep on searching for it.
Who are we? The vast "we" of America are in denial. Pride in ones group only goes so far and as the saying goes comes before a fall. Rome is falling because of mass denial of our transgressions. I thought we had some hope with Obama, but seems like he is quite willing to hide those filthy secrets which will only putrefy and stink 'til the soul rots entirely.
What to do?
Who are we, indeed? We are the ones who have agreed to let 550 questionable individuals completely run our lives...we've even supplied them weapons to use against us...
What to do? Abandon participation with this bloated, toxic form of government and this bloated, toxic description of economy...the ultimate question we will face will be the ownership of property, which affects one's ability to procure water, food and shelter, and forces employment...the ultimate challenge will be the resistance to this change, both personal resistance and systemic resistance...leaving behind the moneyed and powered world can be frightening, but would be much less so with some basic information, community support, and lots of growing food around you...legal jurisdiction, and accompanying judgement and enforcement, must return to local citizenry...
The fascinating tidbit? Change will come, regardless, thanks to our destruction of the living world...might as well take our lives back, and see if we can do some good before we die...better than shopping yourself to death...might get some great sex in, too! I mean, as long as we're remodeling our philosophies, maybe we could add some variety to the menu? I love lasagna, but a good chowder now and then...
“The most direct consequence of releasing them, I believe, would be to further inflame anti-American opinion and to put our troops in danger.” obama says.
the consequence of NOT releasing them is the continued enabled denial of their EXISTENCE and the FACTS of actions taken unbecoming of a nation (because such actions were supposedly taken by those representing the nation's best interests) that likes to posture as 'leader of the free world'. NOT releasing them feeds into the smug impunity of the previous administration's executors of very real crimes and a further (justified) erosion of trust in the government's ability, or even willingness to DO ITS JOB and see that constitutional rights have protection and real meaning. how long until the grip of washington psychopathology loosens enough to allow sanity to breathe? healing from an illness (and i don't know how else to describe the bush years) can't take place until it is SEEN for what it is.... 'moving on' before that takes place just allows what's hidden to fester.
the most direct consequence of releasing the dreaded photos would not be to 'further inflame' anti-american opinion.... world opinion couldn't sink much lower regarding our so-called 'democracy'.... but releasing them could certainly EXPOSE the inconvenient TRUTHS of just how far into the netherworlds of corruption and cruelty certain people were ALLOWED to plunge in the name of 'national security' and open public discourse to a point where we could actually come up with a more transparent and accountable government, and, who knows? maybe even more transparent and accountable corporations so that they couldn't get away with OWNING the government. hopefully those with strong lights to shine will do us all a favor and not hesitate to do so just because of those too caught up in the webs of deceit and secrecy to see their way out. what reality do we want to live in? transparency and accountability are good words for what's needed. releasing the photos would be a good start .
Agreed, Sioux Rose -
Had this outrage been thwarted, had the "leaders" been made to account for the lies and deceptions that "brought it on," then perhaps we would not see the same choreography of destruction being waged slowly, but surely, against Afghanistan.
But WE ARE Afghanistan- just another front in the steam roller of global supremacy! Why can't Americans realize that war is being waged against us??
From the article:
"The idea that everyone held at Guantanamo was a terrorist â€---the worst of the worst---†was always absurd."
NOW you tell us!
Is this the NYT's idea of contrition for the sins of Judith Miller?
Alas, we have two identical political parties, both controlled by AIPAC.
Alas, we have two identical political parties, both controlled by AIPAC.
Seriously. As long as neoimperialism and capitalism drive US politics and economics, I doubt there can ever be any real change in Washington.
The parties are not identical. The Democrats are a lawless gang of thieves, but we are safer with them than with the Republicans who are completely insane and probably would push the button.
The people have no voice at all. We cower in a corner hoping each morning that the mafia in charge won't wake up in a bad mood.
It was the race baiting Republicans who got us here. Other countries must wonder how we could have been---and still are---so stupid.
It works every time. Just start to talk about unions or open borders or prison reform and you will hear it: "They are going to get your job". It even works best on people who have no job.
If we only had a brain.
"The Democrats are a lawless gang of thieves."
CREW's annual list of the 20 most corrupt Congresspeople suggests you're wrong:
http://www.crewsmostcorrupt.org/
The list is always dominated by Republicans. If Democrats were a "gang of thieves," this would not be so. There ya go.
"The Democrats are a lawless gang of thieves, but we are safer with them than with the Republicans who are completely insane and probably would push the button."
Nietzsche, based on your entirely accurate characterization of the Democrats and the Republicans I'm sure you can understand why Nader has always, and just as accurately, said, "it's insane to vote for the least worst".
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
-"If only we had a brain"
But even if you/we did, it would not do us much good in and of itself, because (a) the sociopaths always make it to the top of the pile and (b) it's the fanatics who have the staying power and the bloody mindedness to see their projects through to the end while humanists stop to help others, feel pity and smell the roses.
Which of these do you want to be? Or should I ask which one does your make-up allow you to be?
Amen!
Sioux Rose
SEVENTH: True.
The CEO of brand America obviously gets his orders to protect former persons who held that office. If the lawless behavior of one is held against a solidly legal framework to render an accounting, like a house of cards, the behaviors of others would also stand "trial." Instead a climate of trespass is what's being protected, and the president gets to act like a king. Without congress holding tight on the reins that loosen to make war, the anointed "sovereign" can declare war "at his pleasure."
Many have noted that the torture campaign, while egregious, takes the focus off the greater crime which is THE supreme crime, a war of aggression launched on false pretenses, with a purported MILLION now dead, a nation left in abject ruin. Had this outrage been thwarted, had the "leaders" been made to account for the lies and deceptions that "brought it on," then perhaps we would not see the same choreography of destruction being waged slowly, but surely, against Afghanistan.
It seems to me American presidents are far more dangerous to the world than any of these men held without trial.
How about intercepting our emails, phone calls overseas; how about spying on Americans?
Does that go on as before? Nobody talks about that from either side of the divide.
American presidents are tools of the CIA. The CIA will kill them poliyically or physically if they stop pushing war profiteering. We are a plutocratic kleptocracy. The demos plays no part in governing.
Did not get a chance to say anything when you posted on the 22nd;to do no harm even in extreme danger is a tough place to be and should be the wave of the future.My own story of this is when in Vietnam during TET 68 at the airbase outside of Saigon,I was AF,the Vietcong were on the base and we could get a weapon for defense,a rifle,but I told my friend who was walking with me on the way to work fixing machines used to service planes while they were on the ground including bombloaders.Anyway when I told my friend that I would die first before I would shoot anyone and as soon as the words were spoken there was a feelig of total peace within me that had never happened before or since I knew that my life would not be taken there and my friend was and is a friend because he said he would watch over me.Strange and to show how dumb I was;it could have been a defining moment for me but it turned into just another day in this life.Keep your conscience because that is the only thing keeping body and soul together on this planet.Tony
Sioux Rose
TONY: Poetic, you met the Light and it became you. Bravo!
Thank you Sioux Rose.Tony