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MoveOn – Fan Club or Force?
I'd gone to a couple of MoveOn anti-Iraq War events in the past, but
it wasn't until last week that I actually attended my first MoveOn
meeting. The past events seemed modestly successful, but left me unsure of
the organization's capacity outside of cyberspace. This meeting, on the
other hand, was downright impressive. There were about a hundred people
gathered at a downtown San Francisco restaurant. The group was mostly
young, probably to be expected since the event was initially organized by the
Young Democrats and only opened to oldsters when other meetings rapidly filled
up. And, according to MoveOn, it was just one of more than 1,000 events
around the country that night. If only the content had matched the
organization.
The event ran according to a tight script – a recorded MoveOn introduction and instructions, with interruptions for conversation on directed topics. And while this highly structured format did not allow for real breadth of expression of opinion, it did serve the purpose of keeping the event on course and on a neat hour-and-a-half schedule. No one was likely to walk away swearing off MoveOn meetings because they didn't get to the point. The point was a "Real Voices for Change" campaign that would involve taking thousands of pictures of people holding signs that, in the words of a MoveOn fund appeal, would "put Congress on notice that we expect them to help pass Obama's bold agenda.
"All of Obama's agenda?" I wondered. Including his proposal to send 7,000 additional troops to Afghanistan? Or the "plans to increase the size of the Army by 65,000 troops and the Marines by 27,000 troops" in the words of his website? And which bold agenda? The pre-election plan to repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy or the post election economic plan that reportedly no longer includes their repeal, despite the arguably greater current need for the revenue?
Well, probably those parts of the agenda won't make it into the photos on the website, but even the ones that have cry out for more. Like the signs that say "I stand with Obama for an end to the war in Iraq" – do the MoveOn members holding them really want sixteen to eighteen more months of combat troops followed by an American military presence continuing indefinitely, as his current plan calls for? I'm guessing a lot of people attending the meetings and getting the e-mail were a lot closer to the more get-out-ASAP positions that Kucinich, Gravel, Richardson, or even Edwards were arguing way back when. Have they really changed their minds on that? No one's asked.
Or the pictures with the "I stand with Obama for Health Care" signs. I'm guessing there's a lot of people out there who helped put Obama over the top who think his health care plan could use some improving. The smart betting money may not be on passing a single payer plan right away, but don't we still need to remind Congress that in these economic times, we can't afford to be diverting our health care dollars into the redundant and wasteful private health insurance industry boondoggle? And the "I stand with Obama for Clean Energy" sign holders – might they not want to get a clearer idea where the President-elect stands on nuclear power before writing him a blank check?
The real question is who's supporting whose agenda? MoveOn is an organization of potentially immense influence – the "Real Voices for Change" meetings alone demonstrated that. And were they to poll their members on what they wanted to see in an Iraq withdrawal plan, a health care plan, or a clean energy plan, the organization might be able to throw valuable ideas into the mix that would be quite different from the advice Obama will get from the centrist Cabinet he is in the process of assembling.
Whether you think Obama's the second coming of FDR or Abraham Lincoln, or whether you consider him comfortably within the Carter-Mondale-Clinton-Gore- Kerry tradition, we should be able to agree that he
needs agitators, not cheerleaders. Let's not allow all the deals to be
sealed between the Democratic Wall Street types and the Republican Wall Street
types. If MoveOn really wants to make something happen, it should make
Obama look moderate (which shouldn't be awfully hard) by letting Congress know
that there are millions of us out there who want far more than he's talking
about. And who knows, if there's enough of us, maybe he will
too.
Besides, we should be a bit embarrassed by this kind of thing. If we could just step out of our shoes long enough to imagine how we would view Bush or Reagan supporters cheering their man on to do whatever was on his agenda – no questions asked -- we might get an idea of how foolish this blind boosterism looks to the non-believers.
MoveOn has an impressive decade under its belt. It could have an even more important one in front of it – but not if it resigns itself to handing out pom-poms.
The event ran according to a tight script – a recorded MoveOn introduction and instructions, with interruptions for conversation on directed topics. And while this highly structured format did not allow for real breadth of expression of opinion, it did serve the purpose of keeping the event on course and on a neat hour-and-a-half schedule. No one was likely to walk away swearing off MoveOn meetings because they didn't get to the point. The point was a "Real Voices for Change" campaign that would involve taking thousands of pictures of people holding signs that, in the words of a MoveOn fund appeal, would "put Congress on notice that we expect them to help pass Obama's bold agenda.
"All of Obama's agenda?" I wondered. Including his proposal to send 7,000 additional troops to Afghanistan? Or the "plans to increase the size of the Army by 65,000 troops and the Marines by 27,000 troops" in the words of his website? And which bold agenda? The pre-election plan to repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy or the post election economic plan that reportedly no longer includes their repeal, despite the arguably greater current need for the revenue?
Well, probably those parts of the agenda won't make it into the photos on the website, but even the ones that have cry out for more. Like the signs that say "I stand with Obama for an end to the war in Iraq" – do the MoveOn members holding them really want sixteen to eighteen more months of combat troops followed by an American military presence continuing indefinitely, as his current plan calls for? I'm guessing a lot of people attending the meetings and getting the e-mail were a lot closer to the more get-out-ASAP positions that Kucinich, Gravel, Richardson, or even Edwards were arguing way back when. Have they really changed their minds on that? No one's asked.
Or the pictures with the "I stand with Obama for Health Care" signs. I'm guessing there's a lot of people out there who helped put Obama over the top who think his health care plan could use some improving. The smart betting money may not be on passing a single payer plan right away, but don't we still need to remind Congress that in these economic times, we can't afford to be diverting our health care dollars into the redundant and wasteful private health insurance industry boondoggle? And the "I stand with Obama for Clean Energy" sign holders – might they not want to get a clearer idea where the President-elect stands on nuclear power before writing him a blank check?
The real question is who's supporting whose agenda? MoveOn is an organization of potentially immense influence – the "Real Voices for Change" meetings alone demonstrated that. And were they to poll their members on what they wanted to see in an Iraq withdrawal plan, a health care plan, or a clean energy plan, the organization might be able to throw valuable ideas into the mix that would be quite different from the advice Obama will get from the centrist Cabinet he is in the process of assembling.
Whether you think Obama's the second coming of FDR or Abraham Lincoln, or whether you consider him comfortably within the Carter-Mondale-Clinton-Gore-
Besides, we should be a bit embarrassed by this kind of thing. If we could just step out of our shoes long enough to imagine how we would view Bush or Reagan supporters cheering their man on to do whatever was on his agenda – no questions asked -- we might get an idea of how foolish this blind boosterism looks to the non-believers.
MoveOn has an impressive decade under its belt. It could have an even more important one in front of it – but not if it resigns itself to handing out pom-poms.
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Show All"cheering their man on to do whatever was on his agenda – no questions asked"
Democrats call this "holding his feet to the fire", get used to those mega-bases in Iraq, guys.
Nicely stated. Obama's appointments of neo cons and conservatives sends a clear message. Those to the left of Democratic Party are being asked to bend over again and take it with a smile on thier face. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
I've been getting email messages from Moveon asking me to buy expensive T-shirts to celebrate Obama's victory - when I reply to inquire whether the organization is worried about being seen as an Obama tool I get not reply. Moveon needs to pick one issue to emphasize, and for me it's ending the Iraq was ASAP.
MoveOn COULD re-invigorate the progressive movement (including real universal health care, an end to our wars of empire and 760 military bases worldwide, clean and sustainable energy, and social/economic justice) IF it "MovedOn" beyond cheerleading for Obama & other centrist Democrats, started listening to its progressive members, and worked with United for Peace and Justice, Veterans for Peace, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Gold Star Families for Peace, Peace Action, and environmental and social justice organizations to forge a true Progressive Movement instead of merely supporting a political party with a very mixed record on peace and social justice.
remember! it's "change we can believe in", not change we can actually see, feel, touch or prove factually.
Obama's Bold Agenda? I sure like satire.
I've moved on from move-on during the Kerry campaign.
Supporting the Democratic Party at any cost and without any dissent is not my idea of progressive action, especially in these dire times. Yes, dire for the environment, dire for economic reasons, and dire because we are turning into a imperialistic state (yes, I know, we always were), and supporting the corporate elite.
Oh yeah, it must not be so bad, the price of a gallon of gasoline in low enough to get that SUV you've been thinking about. I guess I'm just complaining still. Weren't things so good under Clinton? Don't worry about NAFTA, WTO, and corruption, as long as your making money too.
No koolade for me thank you.
www.NotOneMore.US
In early 2007, Moveon split the antiwar movement. They focused on opposing the surge while other antiwar groups were opposing the war in general. Moveon lobbied for the Congressional Democrats' plan to ask Bush to remove combat troops from Iraq. There was no cap on the number of "trainers" that would be left in Iraq or a timeline for bringing them home. Moveon ignored an amendment sponsored by Rep. Barbara Lee that would have brought ALL troops home within one year, because the Democratic leadership wasn't interested.
I called my Congresscritter's office and asked him why the Democrats weren't supporting or even allowing a vote on her amendment when 58% of the American people wanted all troops out within one year. I was told that Congress didn't agree with the majority, and that the left had to suck it up and be "pragmatic". Of course, if 58% of the American people supported a right-wing position, it would be time for the left to suck it up and be "pragmatic" and accept that Congress had to bow to the wishes of its constituents. It's always time for the left to suck it up and be "pragmatic", but never the center or the right. "Politics is the art of the possible" in practice means that "Politics is the art of being a little less right-wing than the Republicans"!
I always find it amusing that regardless of the position of the Democrats in Congress, they "never have enough votes" if they were the only party on the planet and had every seat, they would tell us that they can't really do anything because they don't have the votes.
Frankly, I believe them. They can't do anything.
Everyone needs to move on from Move On. MoveOn is almost as bad as KOS. KOS is nothing but a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party. Try speaking out against the Dems on KOS. Personally, I moved on from MoveOn pretty quickly and haven't moved back.
I have to say I agree about KOS these days. After I heard that Obama got a congratulatory note from the President of Iran and hearing Obama's convoluted response I wrote a diary wondering why he couldn't just say "Thank You" and leave it at that if he's so interested in diplomacy. Crap, I was attacked from every which-way.
That along with getting pummeled whenever I point out israel's mistakes; I've about had it with that site. (Though I still like DarkSide's science observations.)
I am for Obama, voted for him, but I still expect what he promised and more.
You can go to http://www.change.gov and find the feedback (or whatever) page and leave input. Maybe flood that page with what we want and maybe, just maybe, we'll get what we deserve.
Like other posters here, I also tried to move on from MoveOn but kept myself on their 3.4 million "members" list to get updates on what they were doing. I wouldn't want to count the number urgent messages I got wanting me to contribue to BO's campaign or do volunteer work for him or whatever. I described one odious request on my blog that others may have received: a "funny" newscast tailored to my own name which detailed how I would be personally blamed on the morning after the election with McCain's victory if I failed to vote for Obama. See: http://sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/?p=41 Then after the election (speaking of cheer-leading) I was given all kinds of opportunities to celebrate the victory, first with a "free" artistically designed sticker (mentioning that you could of course donate to MoveOn to carry on their vital "work". http://sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/?p=71 And then it went from there into a victory t-shirt (as a DNC bailout) and a poster sized version of the sticker for which you WERE asked for a donation http://sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/?p=74
Gallagher and other posters are right about MoveOn's total oblivion to any correspondence coming from "grassroots." And I'm not surprised at his description of one of those support "Obama's Bold Agenda" post-election celebration house parties in which it appears that those who attended had nothing to say about the nature of MoveOn's own (tepid) agenda. With George Boros finally having his "man" in the White House (after Kerry failed him), maybe he'll have more productive things to do with his billions than support MoveOn.
"I described one odious request on my blog that others may have received: a "funny" newscast tailored to my own name which detailed how I would be personally blamed on the morning after the election with McCain's victory if I failed to vote for Obama. See: http://sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/?p=41"
That is some really creepy peer pressure and scare tactics.
My reaction exactly! (though some just said "lighten up, it's a joke."
Move On was only designed to be a fan club. Any organization that is embraced by either political party is now a mouth piece for that party. That’s what Move On has always been about. A place to talk change, but mostly to build audiences. Numbers are all that Move On needs to stay running. It doesn’t need results. In fact it likes the game and wants to play with the big boys. It happens to everything that tries to live in D.C. You’ve got to sell-out to play in the game. Look what happened to VVA.
Hoa binh
Soros/Brezinzski--already a part of the "Big Boy" club. MoveOn is just a sheperding tool for the neoliberal fascists.
Well at least all the responders to this article see through the BS - the scary thing is how many don't. I like the pictures with signs idea - might try some variation of that with our state legislators. Anyway, I think Move On is dangerous for democracy, and will lead a whole generation of progressive youth down a dirty path. How can we match Move On's mailing list and "collective" voice to make sure people know there's another way?
James A. Swanson, Los Altos, California
www.bushleagueofnations.com [for free download of entire book]
For now, I’m sticking with MoveOn. For now, I'll try to influence MoveOn’s agenda from within.
Nevertheless, I’m encouraged by all the negative comments about MoveOn’s agenda. I agree.
Whether to abandon an organization is, or course, an individual's decision.
At one of the spectrum are people—negatively described as “cry babies”—who leave because they don’t get their way on a particular issue.
At the other end of the spectrum are people—negatively described as “good Germans”—who are unthinking cheerleaders no matter what the agenda is.
Many progressives left MoveOn because it endorsed Obama rather than Hillary. (MoveOn’s policy was to endorse a candidate only if he or she got at least two-thirds of a vote by MoveOn members, which Obama got.)
Personally, I was most unhappy that MoveOn refused to put impeachment on its agenda.
For now at least, I'm looking at MoveOn much like I look at Obama and other Democratic leaders. All will disappoint me from time to time. All already have!
Let’s remember that electing Obama was the easy part. The really hard work for progressive activists begins today, and again tomorrow, and again every day thereafter.
The important question is whether “our guys”—Obama, MoveOn, the Democrats in Congress—will tenaciously fight for legislation that is truly transforming and progressive.
We thus trust our Democratic leaders, including Obama, at our peril. Ditto for MoveOn.
Here's my main point: We must stay vigilant, take names, kick butt, and never give up. Let’s redouble our efforts.
The Military Industrial Complex, Big Oil, Big Insurance, Big Pharma—the list goes on—and their lobbyists have not left town.
Time will tell if Obama and the rest of “our good guys” have the will to withstand their toxic influence.
True progressive transformation of America must be driven from the grassroots up, not from the top down by business-as-usual career politicians or by MoveOn.
We must keep our friends close, our enemy closer, and “our good guys” closest.
Jim Swanson, Los Altos, CA
www.bushleagueofnations.com
This is an excellent post!
I too still am a supporter of MoveOn, for now.
They really upset me when they dropped the anti-war message. Then they recovered somewhat when they went back to the membership and asked us to decide what issues we thought were important. The anti-war message re-appeared although not as strongly as issues around health-care. I'm sure that, if today, they did the same thing, the economy would top the war despite many of us on here who vehemently oppose it.
That organization went to the membership to decide whether or not to support a candidate. I remember taking part in that on-line vote and the result was clear, support Obama.
Which they then did.
Not at the behest of the Obama campaign, nor at the behest of monied interests, but because WE ASKED THEM TO!
Right now, they are carrying out the last stages of that support.
I am not going to abandon them now after they did what they promised they were going to do!
I read some of your chapter on the Valerie Plame Case and was delighted to see that you, too, had read the July 2006 Vanity Fair Article, "The War They Wanted; The Lies They Needed" by Criag Unger........
Thanks for offering a free read!!!!
The only "Hope" we now have is starting a third political party called, "Progressive Democrats of America" .........I urge Tom Hayden and Dennis Kucinich to lead a political break from the "Conservative Democratic Party".....
The Invasions will go on and no one wants to remember that the United States created Al Qaeda(Islamic Freedom Fighters, Mujeheddin etc), not in the 80´s but in the early 70´s and the CIA went off book with accounts in the Pakistani Commerce Bank later known as Bank of Credit and Commerce International which was used for money laundering, spying, islamic terrorist groups etc.
Blackwater will be used to transport illegal arms to terrorist groups and pay a few fines here and there.......What an industry we have created !!!
Obama can do nothing, Move On can do nothing.......By having a third party, somebody would have negotiate with a party representing the People of the United States not corporate America and the "Elite"
It seems to me MoveOn has been extremely successful in what they have set out to do -- mobilize people in concentrated bursts to support particular policies and reforms. It's not the only organizing model, and there is certainly something to be said for not uncritically accepting the entire Obama agenda (e.g., I have been critical of his call for more troops, the notion that we should have larger forces in Afghanistan, etc.). But there is much that is good in the Obama agenda, and we need to support that, not JUST stand on the side criticizing him before he has even taken office.
I don't care for MoveOn.Org, their tactics remind me of Karl Rove, their ethics are a bit above whale ---- on the ocean floor, they have anything but good in mind for the country.
They started out well, but they degenerated into contemptable practices.
I posted this late yesterday, but I'd like to get a few more people thinking about it if I could.
This doesn't really belong on this string, but when I left the Food Bank yesterday we were out of almost everything and nothing was coming in.
PLEASE donate to your local Food Bank, I understand this is not just happening to us. Giving is down everywhere for obvious reasons, but even one can would help. Please give what you can.
To any that are offended by my posting off point, my apologies.
Mary Anderson, Alna, ME
Yeah I'd say it's become a fan club. I quit in disgust after the mid-term elections.
Somehow the history of these folks keeps reminding me "You Don't Know Jack", part of what was sold to finance Moveon. At one time I e-mailed them to find out how they decided what issues were important enough for fund raising. The urgency on some levels made me wonder just how democratic this whole business was and whose issues were being greased and for what particular reason. I had hoped they had some sort of public group, outside of the Moveon organization who made decisions about what issues they worked on. Hopefully it would all coorespond to the general views of the public. Unfortunately I heard nothing back, so I dropped them like the proverbial hot potato they have the capacity to potentially be. We are really looking into the face of a Swiftboat outfit that is funded by those $35 little guy contributions. I, for one, want to see the new administration move past little "L" liberal and get on to the big "L" left of Liberal. Moveon is the sort of outfit that will keep a strong arm on making the agenda a much more conservative one by force feeding the same old Clinton crap. I don't want NAFTA stuff to supercede Health Care. I don't want to hear how we need to keep this war business going when many voted for Obama to get our troops out of the middle and far east. We don't need complete reverses in election policy, especially when the votes that elected Obama were based on those election promises.
MoveOn was originally devised to support Bill Clinton against impeachment. It initially took some antiwar stances, and then quickly abandoned them as Democrats gained power. It has solidified as a political fundraising group for mainstream corporate Democrats.
It's probably good to revisit John Stauber's article looking at MoveOn here. Stauber is a founder of PR Watch, which checks how corporations mold public opinion.
It is possible - quite easy, really - to make definitive statements about what we want from an Obama Presidency. Activists should avoid groups like MoveOn when they promulgate nonspecific demands. As author Tom Gallagher points out, Obama's positions on the Iraq war, healthcare and energy policy are quite weak.
Ask Obama to withdraw the troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, and to not bomb Pakistan. An 18-month period is too long to endure for that to happen.
Ask Obama to establish a single-payer national healthcare plan that cuts out insurance companies.
Ask Obama to work toward a national energy policy that emphasizes renewable energy - not nuclear, "clean coal" and offshore oil drilling as Obama has proposed.
Some people on this site want you to cut Obama slack, but he's already cut campaign fundraising deals with various industries that don't have the public interest in mind - to the tune of millions of dollars. Unfortunately, MoveOn may be greasing the skids of public opinion to make such deals more palatable.
So, stay on message, progressives, but don't stay on MoveOn's message.
-TIA
Read jswanson's post everyone, it is very good.
I suspect that those who are slagging MoveOn had left before the candidate vote. I will be generous for now and assume so. Fair enough. it is foolish to support an organization that is wholly orthogonal to your views.
However, I was still a member when the candidacy support vote took place. I believe I didn't even vote for Obama in that case (I think I voted for Edwards.) but I was and still remain a BIG supporter of democracy. Part of democracy is that you learn to go along with the majority unless you absolutely cannot stomach it...and many many others voted for Obama...which was good enough.
So it makes perfect sense to me, at this stage (remember, Obama is still NOT the President yet!) for MoveOn to continue to carry out the plan that it formulated on advice from its membership way back when it decided to back Obama.
To abandon that strategy right now would be beyond ridiculous surely!
But I, like jswanson, will be watching and I will be critical. If MoveOn doesn't conduct another poll this coming year, or if it continues to remove substance and blindly support anything that our new President wants, you will see me drop them very fast!
For the moment though, I will not punish them for carrying out the wishes of their members.
On social policy, don't expect change. Obama sharply criticized "trickle down economics" early in his campaign, yet that is the whole of his poverty agenda. As we've been hearing since 1980, corporate "tax relief" (whereby the public pays the tax debts of the richest) will lead to the mass creation of "family supporting jobs", which will trickle down to the poorest. Uh huh. Obama utterly disregards the fact that not everyone can work, and there aren't enough jobs for those who can. His discussion ends at "middle class"; but without shoring up the poor, the middle will continue to shrink.