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Mayor Bill de Blasio, Comptroller Scott M. Stringer and other trustees of the City's $189 Billion pension funds today announced a goal to divest City funds from fossil fuel reserve owners within five years, which would make New York City the first major US pension plan to do so. In a first-in-the-nation step towards the goal of divestment, the Mayor and Comptroller will submit a joint resolution to pension fund trustees to begin analyzing ways to divest from fossil fuel owners in a responsible way that is fully consistent with fiduciary obligations. In total, the City's five pension funds hold roughly $5 billion in the securities of over 190 fossil fuel companies. The City's move is among the most significant divestment efforts in the world to date.
"New York City is standing up for future generations by becoming the first major US city to divest our pension funds from fossil fuels," said Mayor de Blasio. "At the same time, we're bringing the fight against climate change straight to the fossil fuel companies that knew about its effects and intentionally misled the public to protect their profits. As climate change continues to worsen, it's up to the fossil fuel companies whose greed put us in this position to shoulder the cost of making New York safer and more resilient."
"This is a first-in-the-nation step to protect our future and our planet - for this generation and the next. Safeguarding the retirement of our city's police officers, teachers, firefighters and city workers is our top priority, and we believe that their financial future is linked to the sustainability of the planet. Our announcement sends a message to the world that a brighter economy rests on being green," Comptroller Stringer said. "It's complex, it will take time, and there are going to be many steps. But we're breaking new ground, and we are committed to forging a path forward while remaining laser-focused on our role as fiduciaries to the Systems and beneficiaries we serve."
The Mayor also announced that the City has filed a lawsuit against the five largest investor-owned fossil fuel companies as measured by their contributions to global warming. The City will be seeking damages from BP, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Exxon Mobil, and Royal Dutch Shell for the billions of dollars the City will spend to protect New Yorkers from the effects of climate change. This includes damages to pay for harm that we've already seen and damages that are necessary to address harm we expect to happen over the course of this century.
New York City's lawsuit seeks to recover the billions needed to fund climate change resiliency measures that the City needs to implement to protect the City, its property, and its residents from the ongoing and increasingly severe impacts of climate change. This includes physical infrastructure, like coastal protections, upgraded water and sewer infrastructure, and heat mitigation, but also public health campaigns, for example to help protect residents from the effects of extreme heat. To recover from past harm and prepare for future events, New York City is already executing an over $20 billion resiliency program to protect New Yorkers and build resilience against rising seas, more powerful storms, and hotter temperatures.
Recently uncovered documents make it clear that the fossil fuel industry was well aware of the effects that burning fossil fuels would have on the planet's atmosphere and the expected impacts of climate change as far back as at least the 1980s. Nonetheless, they deliberately engaged in a campaign of deception and denial about global warming and its impacts, even while profiting from the sale of fossil fuels and protecting their own assets from the effects of rising seas and a changing climate. More than half of the greenhouse gas pollution from the fossil fuel industry has occurred since 1988, according to a recent analysis. Sea levels have risen about one foot since 1900 with much of that rise due to climate change, the most powerful storms are becoming more frequent, and flooding is becoming more frequent and intense.
Climate change is perhaps the toughest challenge New York City will face in the coming decades. Sandy taught us how destructive weather events exacerbated by climate change can be. Rising sea levels, increasing temperatures and precipitation, and the likelihood of more frequent and intense flooding threaten our neighborhoods and infrastructure while exacerbating many underlying social inequities. To adapt to these threats, the City is implementing an over $20 billion program to ensure our neighborhoods, economy, and public services will be ready to withstand and emerge stronger from the impacts of climate change. These investments are known to be just the first step in making the City prepared for the impacts of climate change, and more will continue to be needed over the course of the century. The City's resiliency programs and projects are a shift in the way we live now and how we must develop and implement tools that will make our City more resilient against future risks.
The first step is for the trustees at each fund to instruct the Office of the City Comptroller's Bureau of Asset Management (BAM) to commission an analysis of the proposed divestment and advise the trustees as to the anticipated impact on the risk and return characteristics of the portfolio. The trustees will also seek legal opinion as to whether carrying out the divestment would be consistent with trustees fiduciary duties to beneficiaries. Assuming a positive legal opinion, the trustees would then instruct BAM to carry out the divestment with specified steps and timelines. In the case of this divestment, transactions would likely be carried out in stages in order to reduce transaction and implementation costs.
Henry Garrido, DC37 Executive Director and NYCERS trustee said, "For the sake of future generations, we support the call by the Mayor and the Comptroller for responsible divestment from fossil fuels. It is no longer a question of if, but rather how and when. The five year goal is sensible. What we've learned about the extent to which fossil fuel-producing companies deceived the public about the harm to the environment makes expedient and prudent action necessary."
Eric Adams, Brooklyn Borough President and NYCERS Trustee said, "As a NYCERS trustee, I am responsible for investing in the future of our city and the long-term stability of hard-working New Yorkers' pensions. Divesting from fossil fuels is a reflection of our municipal commitment to combat climate change. The green in our wallets can and should go toward greener policies which lead to a greener planet."
UFT President Michael Mulgrew said, "Two years ago the UFT began looking at ways to mitigate the risk posed by climate change to the Teachers Retirement System portfolio. I'm happy to stand here today with Mayor de Blasio, Comptroller Stringer and representatives of the other city pension funds to announce our shared goal of divesting from fossil fuels within the next five years."
"Climate change is fact, climate change is real and it is having a devastating impact on our environment. The over 40,000 members of the New York State Nurses Association joined this profession to help people and make this world a better place- that's why we applaud the Mayor, the Comptroller and the pension trustees for making these bold moves. It's the right thing to do for the environment and for our children," said Jill Furillo, RN, Executive Director, New York State Nurses Association (NYSNA).
"The burning of fossil fuels is the single largest contributor to human-caused climate change. Unfortunately, those most responsible for the damage done to our planet have denied and buried this fact despite knowing it for decades," said Daniel Zarrilli, NYC's Senior Director of Climate Policy and Programs and Chief Resilience Officer. "Today, after a decades-long pattern of deception and denial by fossil fuel companies, New York City is holding them to account. By seeking damages for the investments necessary to protect New Yorkers from the impacts of climate change, and divesting our pension funds from fossil fuel reserves, we are taking the largest action by any city to confront the growing climate crisis and demonstrate the leadership necessary to win this fight against fossil fuels and the damages they've caused."
"Internal industry documents demonstrate that the defendants engaged in large-scale, sophisticated public relations campaigns to portray fossil fuels as environmentally responsible and essential to human well-being - even as their own scientists warned them that continued fossil fuel production would contribute, and was contributing, to dangerous global warming and associated accelerated sea level rise that threatened catastrophic consequences for New York and other coastal cities. Our suit seeks to recover the billions of dollars the City has spent or will be required to spend to protect the public from the devastating consequences of the defendants' choice to pursue profit over the public welfare," said NYC Corporation Counsel Zachary Carter.
"New York City is as a global leader in combatting climate change, and today's announcement that the City's five pension funds will divest an estimated $5 billion in fossil fuel securities marks yet another step forward. This decision is not only environmentally sound, but also financially prudent," said Congressman Joseph Crowley. "Today, New York City is sending an important message - to invest in our financial future, we must also invest in the energy of the future. Climate change poses a very real threat to New York City, and I applaud Mayor de Blasio, Comptroller Stringer, and the other trustees for taking this important step to divest the city from energy sources that exacerbate that threat."
"New York City has long been a leader when it comes to fighting climate change, and this decision to divest from fossil fuels is further proof of that," said Congressman Eliot Engel. "Our energy sector is moving toward cleaner, renewable fuel sources and government should be doing all it can to foster that move. I applaud the City for its decision to divest from the past and invest in the future."
"I am proud that New York is stepping up and taking a firm stand to protect our city from climate change. Climate change is the single greatest threat humanity faces today and it is up to all of us to act, especially in light of this Administration's flagrant disregard for science and the need to combat climate change," said Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney.
Rep. Nydia M. Velazquez said, "We have a responsibility to make decisions that preserve our planet for future generations. By ensuring New York's pension funds divest from polluters, our City will be voting with its dollars for a greener, more sustainable future. I applaud the Mayor and the Comptroller for taking this important step."
Assistant Speaker Felix W. Ortiz said, "It's critical for New York to reduce our dependency on fossil fuels. The city's effort to divest city funds from fossil fuel reserve owners within five years is a step in the right direction. Today's initiative and the new lawsuits complement my efforts in Albany to create a carbon tax on the use of fossil fuels in New York State and to eliminate the investment of public pension funds in large fossil fuel companies."
Senator Liz Krueger said, "Our pension funds are investments in our future, and fossil fuels are best left in the past. Divestment is the only financially responsible course of action in the face of fossil fuel producers' continued failure to acknowledge the reality of climate change and the necessity and inevitability of the clean energy transition. Divestment sends the clear message that it is no longer acceptable to support companies whose fundamental business model puts our entire society at risk. I congratulate Mayor de Blasio, Comptroller Stringer, and all the advocates who worked tirelessly to push this vital issue, and I look forward to continuing to push for divestment at the state level."
State Senator Brad Hoylman said: "Climate change poses an existential threat to our city. Five years from the devastation of superstorm Sandy and one year since the inauguration of our climate-denying president, it's up to cities and states to take the lead in our crusade against climate change. Divestment sends an important message that New York will not profit from activities that directly threaten our planet and our city. I'm grateful to Mayor de Blasio and Comptroller Stringer for moving New York City away from the declining fossil fuel industry and look forward to continuing the fight for divestment at the state level by requiring SUNY and CUNY to divest as well."
"Today marks an enormous victory for my fellow environmentalists. The divesting of billions of dollars from fossil fuel interests will minimize their effects on the Earth's atmosphere," said Assemblymember Latrice Walker. "This is just the start of changing the narrative of Climate Change in New York. I applaud Mayor Bill de Blasio and Comptroller Scott M. Stringer for this massive victory regarding the fossil fuel industry and I'm excited to see more joint initiatives from our elected officials to protect our city from the destruction of climate change."
"Climate change is one of the most serious threats we face as a nation and world," said Assemblymember Linda B. Rosenthal. "Bold, decisive leadership is needed to tackle this crisis, and New York is putting its money where its mouth is, thanks to New York City Comptroller Scott M. Stringer and Mayor Bill de Blasio. They knows that our financial future is inextricably linked with our environmental health, and this step recognizes that reality and helps preserve the future for the next generation."
"The city's move to divest city pension funds from fossil fuel reserve owners within five years and to sue large investor-owned fossil fuel companies for climate change damages is a brilliantly unique move that hopefully will become a game changer picked up by other municipalities and states across the nation. I wish it much success!" said Assemblyman Luis Sepulveda.
With the devastating effects of climate change rapidly increasing, we must do all we can to safeguard our environment and future from further destruction," said Assemblymember Dan Quart. "With today's announcement, New York City is tackling climate change by striking fossil fuel companies at the heart of the only thing they seem to care about, their profits. Our city is the first major US pension plan to take this step which will help lead the nation towards a more sustainable energy future, while also protecting the retirement of our city workers."
Council Member Costa Constantinides, Chair of the Council's Environmental Protection Committee, said, "I am proud that our city will no longer invest our pension funds in fossil fuel interests. After years of advocacy, this divestment underscores the benefits of renewable energy. As fossil fuel securities have underperformed recently, divestment is a sound economic decision that will make our city greener while saving money. I am also proud that our city is seeking damages from fossil fuel companies to help make us more resilient and sustainable as the effects of climate change make their impact. Thank you to Mayor de Blasio and Comptroller Stringer for taking these necessary steps for our environment."
"As elected officials, we have a responsibility, not only to divest from an industry that is destroying our collective future, but to reinvest in solutions to prevent further climate change. New York City would benefit in myriad ways from reinvesting in everything from public transportation to green infrastructure projects, spaces which do not put our future in jeopardy and frankly have far have better returns than fossil fuel stocks and bonds. Pension funds are for the future. If we keep investing in fossil fuels, there won't be a future. I applaud Mayor de Blasio and Comptroller Stringer for this critical step forward," said Council Member Justin Brannan.
"New York City is again setting a precedent and demonstrating leadership by saying that the center of the economic universe can thrive without the fossil fuels of yesterday. I commend Mayor de Blasio on his leadership and foresight on this issue," said Council Member Rafael Salamanca, Jr.
"Since my election to the City Council, climate change activists and I have urged the pension trustees to divest from all fossil fuels, and I am thrilled that this first step is being taken. Divestment is critical to both our city's financial security and our planet's collective future. As the world takes action to address climate change, the value of fossil-fuel companies will steadily decline- which we've already seen with coal. We must align our financial interests with our goal of achieving a cleaner, fossil fuel-free energy system, and I eagerly await findings about the feasibility of directing investment toward enterprises with low carbon emissions. Thank you to the Mayor and the Comptroller for moving this groundbreaking effort forward, and to the environmental advocates who have pushed us to get to this place," said Council Member Helen Rosenthal.
Council Member Rafael Espinal said: "As the largest city in the country, New York should always lead and set the bar for how we will combat climate change. Divesting our pensions from fossil fuels is a big step in that direction. I'm looking forward to the lawsuits against oil tycoons and what this will mean for the fight against climate change, as well as, the precedent we are setting for how we want our world to be.
"Climate change is the existential issue of our time," says Council Member Brad Lander. "Weaning ourselves and our city off fossil fuels is critical to protect our shared future. Our city's teachers, cops, caseworkers and nurses can't have real retirement security without a safe planet to live on. So I commend Comptroller Stringer and Mayor de Blasio for taking this historic step. The City's divestment from fossil fuels will help us break the addiction that is wreaking havoc on our plant, and open up opportunities to invest in a far more sustainable future."
"Today's decision to divest City funds from fossil fuel reserve owners is a win-win for City employee pensions and for the future of New York City," said Council Member Donovan Richards. "For those of us who are still rebuilding after Sandy in the Rockaways, Brooklyn and Staten Island, we see the toll climate change can and will take without strong, common sense decisions to phase out dirty and inefficient energy resources. I'd like to thank Mayor de Blasio and Comptroller Stringer for their dedication to preserving a future for New York City and coastal cities all over the globe."
"Those who are directly responsible for the damaging effects fossil fuel emissions have on our city must be held accountable for their actions. I am looking forward to these companies paying for the resiliency improvements that will benefit the city's efforts beyond what's already been committed to." said Council Member Carlina Rivera. "Combined with a historic divestment, these two important actions cement New York's status as a leader in the fight against climate change."
"I'm proud of New York City for taking this bold step to divest from fossil fuels," said Council Member Andrew Cohen. "It's up to us to make the responsible decision for future generations and do everything we can to curb the devastating effects of climate change."
"Yet, they never have the funds for healthcare coverage for all," said Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib.
Reality once again clashed uncomfortably with Argentinian President Javier Milei's so-called "libertarian revolution" Wednesday as the Trump administration said it is working to double a $20 billion private sector bailout to prop up the South American nation's moribund currency amid enduring high poverty and inflation and broader economic fragility.
US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent told reporters in Washington, DC Wednesday that the $20 billion currency swap—essentially a loan—for Argentina announced last month "would be a total of $40 billion," with funding coming from banks and sovereign wealth funds to enable the country to pay off its more than $300 billion in external debt.
The bailout is aimed at boosting Argentina's flagging peso, which has fallen by nearly one-quarter against the US dollar this year. A decade ago, $1 was equal to 18 pesos. Today, a single dollar will buy 1,361 pesos. That's a loss of more than 99% in value over the past 10 years.
The Argentine peso has lost more than 99% of its value against the US dollar over the past decade. (Image by xe)
Although poverty in Argentina has fallen significantly from over 50% shortly after Milei's election, around 30% of Argentinians remain poor and prices and inflation are again rising significantly. While Milei has drastically slashed inflation, the reduction has come via the devaluation of the peso and massive cuts in government spending, including the evisceration of social programs resulting in more expensive housing, healthcare, and education.
Bessent's announcement comes ahead of Argentina's October 26 midterm elections that will test the mandate for Milei—an admirer and close ally of President Donald Trump—to continue with his slash-and-burn approach to streamlining government.
While meeting with Milei at the White House Tuesday, Trump said the bailout is contingent upon the Argentine president remaining in power.
“If he loses, we are not going to be generous with Argentina,” Trump told reporters. “I think he’s going to win, and if he wins, we’re staying with him, and if he doesn’t win, we’re gone.”
The combination of fiscal austerity, gutting of government agencies, dangerous deregulation, inflation, and currency devaluation have caused Milei's unfavorability rating to soar to over 60% in some polls, it's highest level ever.
Milei—a self-described anarcho-capitalist who was elected in November 2023 on a wave of populist revulsion at the status quo—campaigned on a platform of repairing the moribund economy, tackling inflation, reducing poverty, and dismantling the state. He made wild promises including dollarizing Argentina’s economy and abolishing the central bank.
However, the realities of leading South America’s second-largest economy have forced Milei’s administration to abandon or significantly curtail key agenda items, leading to accusations of neoliberalism and betrayal from the right, and hypocrisy and rank incompetence from the left.
“Let’s not get confused: Milei went to beg for money and a photo of Trump because his economic plan failed," Argentine lawmaker Emilio Monzó said Tuesday.
Another lawmaker, Margarita Stolbizer, said on social media Tuesday that "freedom is crawling."
"Trump tells us Argentines that if we don't vote for Milei, we'll be punished," she added. "The interference is absolute, the libertarian surrender is total. Let's have confidence in the pride of our people: We are millions who don't want to be told what we have to do."
US singer and political commentator Blakeley Bartley skewered Milei, "the based anarcho-capitalist conservative," in a social media post on Wednesday."
"He was gonna get in power, cut government spending," Bartley continued. "Remember, all your favorite right-wingers and American media said, 'You gotta support him, man, he's a based conservative that's gonna save Argentina."
"What's that?" Bartley added. "Oh, that's right, he drove the economy into the fucking ground and now he needs a welfare check from Daddy America."
Others—ranging from progressives angry over tens of billions of dollars being spent on foreign bailouts while so many people are struggling and suffering in the US to hardcore MAGA supporters—are asking, how is bailing out Argentina "America First?"
"Trump wants to DOUBLE Argentina's bailout to $40 billion to save his political ally," Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said on social media. "Yet he is doing nothing to prevent 15 million Americans from losing their healthcare and 20 million from seeing a doubling in their premiums. Is this what Trump means by America first?"
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) said: "Apparently $20 billion of our taxpayer money wasn't enough to bail out Argentina. Now Trump wants US banks to divert ANOTHER $20 billion away from lending to American businesses, farmers, and families to prop up Milei's corrupt presidency and failing economy."
Former US Labor Secretary Robert Reich said, "So much for 'America First.'"
John Bartam, a soybean farmer from Illinois, slammed the bailout in a Tuesday interview with the Daily Beast, noting that Trump’s $20 billion lifeline enabled Milei to lower his country's export tax, leading to China buying seven million tons of Argentinian soybeans at the expense of the US. This, as American soybean farmers reel from Trump's tariff war with China, which until recently was the world's leading buyer of the top US export crop.
“MAGA," Bartam said, "now means Make Argentina Great Again."
The reporting came as rights groups sought the legal memo on the president's deadly strikes on alleged drug-running boats in the Caribbean.
As outrage over US President Donald Trump's deadly boat bombings mounts, The New York Times reported Wednesday that his administration secretly authorized the Central Intelligence Agency "to carry out lethal operations in Venezuela and conduct a range of operations in the Caribbean," with the ultimate aim of ousting the country's leader, Nicolás Maduro.
"The agency would be able to take covert action against Mr. Maduro or his government either unilaterally or in conjunction with a larger military operation," according to the Times, which cited unnamed US officials. "It is not known whether the CIA is planning any operations in Venezuela or if the authorities are meant as a contingency."
"But the development comes as the US military is planning its own possible escalation, drawing up options for President Trump to consider, including strikes inside Venezuela," the newspaper noted. The administration's Venezuela strategy was "developed by Secretary of State Marco Rubio, with help from John Ratcliffe, the CIA director."
The White House and CIA declined to comment on record, though some observers speculated it was "an authorized leak." The reporting comes as Democrats in Congress, human rights groups, and legal scholars sound the alarm of Trump's five known strikes on boats he claims were smuggling drugs, which have killed at least 27 people.
Critics highlighted the United States' long history of covert action in Latin America, as well as how the reported CIA authorization contrasts with Trump's so-called "America First" claims.
"This is absolutely insane," said Tommy Vietor, a former Obama administration official who went on to co-found Crooked Media. "America First was not sold as CIA regime change operations in Venezuela."
Critics also noted Trump's mission to secure the Nobel Peace Prize; this year, it went to María Corina Machado, a right-wing Venezuelan who dedicated the award to not only the people in her country, but also the US president.
"Now that Trump has delegated his preposterous politicking for a Nobel Peace Prize to sycophants, he can finally get around to declaring unilateral war on Venezuela, a war crime, as he murders Colombian civilians at sea, another war crime, and endorses collective punishment in Gaza, another war crime," journalist Seth Abramson said Wednesday.
As Senate Democrats last week unsuccessfully fought to stop Trump's boat strikes of the Venezuelan coast, Colombian President Gustavo Petro said on social media that one of the bombed vessels appeared to be carrying citizens of his country.
"A new war zone has opened: the Caribbean," he said at the time. "Evidence shows that the last boat bombed was Colombian, with Colombian citizens inside. I hope their families come forward and file complaints. There isn't a war against smuggling; it's a war for oil, and the world must stop it. The aggression is against all of Latin America and the Caribbean."
The Trump administration recently claimed in a confidential notice to Congress intended to justify the deadly bombings that the president decided drug cartels "are nonstate armed groups, designated them as terrorist organizations, and determined that their actions constitute an armed attack against the United States."
While that notice leaked to the press, the ACLU and Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) on Wednesday filed a Freedom of Information Act request seeking the Office of Legal Counsel's guidance and other related documents regarding the strikes.
"All available evidence suggests that President Trump's lethal strikes in the Caribbean constitute murder, pure and simple," said Jeffrey Stein, staff attorney with the ACLU's National Security Project. "The public deserves to know how our government is justifying these attacks as lawful, and, given the stakes, immediate public scrutiny of its apparently radical theories is imperative."
CCR legal director Baher Azmy stressed that "in a constitutional system, no president can arbitrarily choose to assassinate individuals from the sky based on his whim or say-so."
"The Trump administration is taking its indiscriminate pattern of lawlessness to a lethal level," Azmy added. "The public understanding of any rationale supporting such unprecedented and shocking conduct is essential for transparency and accountability."
"The United States and particularly the Democratic Party, we have to be leaders on this issue," said podcast host Jennifer Welch.
Two podcast interviews with potential Democratic 2028 presidential candidates went viral Tuesday—but observers said they served only to illustrate how disconnected the party establishment is from its base on the subject of Israel and Palestinian rights and how much work Democrats have ahead of them to reach out to the growing number of voters who oppose Israel after two years of its US-backed assault on Gaza.
US Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) appeared on I've Had It, hosted by Jennifer Welch and Angie "Pumps" Sullivan—Oklahoma-based former Bravo reality TV stars who were called "the future of viral left podcasting" by Rolling Stone last month.
With Welch and Sullivan's "thick southern accents made complete by their Ann Taylor-coded outfits, sharp red lipstick, and blonde highlighted hair" as Rolling Stone noted, some progressive commentators have mused that Democratic politicians eager to engage with podcast audiences are likely to underestimate the pair, who are outspoken in their criticism both of the Trump administration and Democratic leaders.
That appeared to be the case with Booker, who claimed he had to leave the interview as Welch hammered him on Democrats' support for Israel and his vote for Charles Kushner, the disbarred attorney and father of President Donald Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, to be US ambassador to France.
When Welch asked Booker what he had to say about "the capitulation that [he] participated in" the senator replied with a criticism of "purity tests" that Democratic lawmakers and organizers force on each other.
"That’s such bullshit,” Welch replied, echoing her response to former Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel when he criticized Democrats for standing up for transgender rights on the podcast earlier this year. "It's not a purity test, it's, 'Are we in this fight and are we being beholden to corporations and corporate interests or are we being really the party of the working class?'"
“That is such bullshit” @MizzWelch isn’t having it when @CoryBooker tries to blame Democratic failures to stand up to Trump (including his own vote for Kushner’s dad) on a “circular firing squad”
Full @ivehaditpodcast ep: https://t.co/Qg8kAl0LuH pic.twitter.com/MjMHFSa836
— The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) October 14, 2025
The hosts were no less direct when the discussion turned to Israel. Welch and Sullivan have been outspoken in their condemnation of Israel's assault on Gaza over the past two years and the support that both the Biden and Trump administrations have given to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as civilian casualties have mounted, a famine has been declared, and top Israeli officials have publicly said they aim to ethnically cleanse Gaza.
"The United States and particularly the Democratic Party, we have to be leaders on this issue, with Israel and Benjamin Netanyahu. It's something that there is a big loud beat in the base that's permeating all across the country," said Welch. "I think for us to come together as a party in 2026, it's going to take leadership saying things like, 'Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal.'"
Booker attempted to turn the conversation to conflicts in Africa and claimed the International Criminal Court, which has a warrant out for Netanyahu's arrest for war crimes, "singles out Israel," before dodging what Welch called a "simple yes or no question."
"Do you think he's a war criminal, Benjamin Netanyahu?" asked Welch.
Booker, who voted several times to provide Israel with military aid since it began bombarding Gaza in 2023, answered that such questions "undermine" his efforts to solve the conflict in the Middle East.
It’s a simple yes or no question pic.twitter.com/D6jY01uflY
— I've Had It Podcast (@ivehaditpodcast) October 14, 2025
"The thing that Democrats get so frustrated with, where we are right now, where you see the Zohran Mamdanis and the Graham Platners rise up, because they can go on podcasts and you can say, 'Do you think Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal?' and they just say yes," said Welch. "And that's the end of it, it's not all of the rhetoric."
Some observers said the interview, in which Welch also pressed Booker about the more than $871,000 in donations he's received from the powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), should be taken as a warning to Democratic lawmakers as they look toward the 2026 midterms and the 2028 presidential election in a country where polls show the public is shifting away from decades of support for Israel.
"Democratic politicians are getting a preview of the gauntlet they'll have to run in 2028 if they can't break from Israel," said journalist Branko Marcetic.
Mehdi Hasan of Zeteo added that "not only is Jennifer Welch awesome, but what an indictment of our mainstream media and political press that it takes nontraditional journalist podcasters to ask these simple and direct questions of our electeds."
That preview was also visible in an interview Democratic California Gov. Gavin Newsom did on the podcast Higher Learning with Van Lathan, who told Newsom he would not vote for the candidate who had accepted money from AIPAC.
"It's interesting, I haven't thought about AIPAC—it's interesting, you're the first to have brought up AIPAC in years, which is interesting," said Newsom. "Not relevant to my day-to-day life."
When asked about AIPAC Gavin Newsom freezes and repeats “it’s interesting” 10 times.
He’s a Zionist btw. Never trust him.
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— ADAM (@AdameMedia) October 15, 2025
Any candidate hoping to run for president in 2028, said Matt Duss of the Center for International Policy, "is gonna have to come up with a waaaaay better answer on this than 'it’s interesting.'"
In addition to revealing that top Democrats are unprepared for tough questions on US relations with Israel, said a number of observers, the interviews showed "the utter failure and brokenness of corporate media."