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"What I'm absolutely clear about is that I have
complete confidence in the American people and our legal traditions and
the prosecutors, the tough prosecutors from New York who specialize in
terrorism" -- Barack Obama, yesterday."Holder said five other Guantanamo detainees would be tried by military tribunals.
The five include Abd al-Rahim al Nashiri, who is accused of
masterminding the 2000 attack on the USS Cole warship in Yemen; and
Canadian Omar Khadr, accused of killing a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan"
-- NPR, yesterday."'Administration
officials say they expect that as many as 40 of the 215 detainees at
Guantanamo will be tried in federal court or military commissions . . .
. and about 75 more have been deemed too dangerous to release but cannot be prosecuted
because of evidentiary issues and limits on the use of classified
material' . . . If true, that means that there are 75 so-called 'Fifth
Category' detainees who might be subject to indefinite detention without trial" -- The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder, yesterday, quoting The Washington Post.
* * * * *
Can
anyone reconcile Obama's homage to "our legal traditions" and his
professed faith in jury trials in the New York federal courts with the
reality of what his administration is doing: i.e., denying trials to a large number of detainees, either by putting them before military commissions or simply indefinitely imprisoning them without any process at all?
During his appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday,
Eric Holder struggled all day to justify his decision to put Khalid
Sheikh Mohammed on trial because he has no coherent principle to
invoke. He can't possibly defend the sanctity of jury trials in our
political system -- the most potent argument justifying what he did --
since he's the same person who is simultaneously denying trials
to Guantanamo detainees by sending them to military commissions and
even explicitly promising that some of them will be held without
charges of any kind.
Once you endorse the notion that the Government has the right to imprison people not captured on any battlefield
without giving them trials -- as the Obama administration is doing
explicitly and implicitly -- what convincing rationale can anyone offer
to justify giving Mohammed and other 9/11 defendants a real trial in
New York? If you're taking the position that military commissions and
even indefinite detention are perfectly legitimate tools to imprison
people -- as Holder has done -- then what is the answer to the Right's
objections that Mohammed himself belongs in a military commission? If
the administration believes Omar Khadr belongs in a military
commission, and if they believe others can be held indefinitely without
any charges, why isn't that true of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed? By denying
jury trials to a large number of detainees, Obama officials have
completely gutted their own case for why they did the right thing in
giving Mohammed a trial in New York.
Even worse, Holder was reduced to admitting
-- even boasting -- that this concocted multi-tiered justice system
(trials for some, commissions for others, indefinite detention for the
rest) enables the Government to pick and choose what level of due
process someone gets based on the Government's assessment as to where
and how they're most likely to get a conviction:
Courts
and commissions are both essential tools in our fight against terrorism
. . . On the same day I sent these five defendants to federal court, I
referred five others to be tried in military commissions. I am a
prosecutor, and as a prosecutor, my top priority was simply to select
the venue where the government will have the greatest opportunity to present the strongest case with the best law.
. . . At the end of the day, it was clear to me that the venue in which
we are most likely to obtain justice for the American people is a
federal court.
Does that remotely sound
like a "justice system"? If you're accused of being a Terrorist,
there's not one set procedure used to determine your guilt; instead,
the Government has a roving bazaar of various processes which it, in
its sole discretion, picks for you based on ensuring that it will win.
Even worse, Holder repeatedly assured Senators that the administration
would continue to imprison 9/11 defendants even in the very unlikely case that they were acquitted, citing what they previously suggested
was their Orwellian authority of so-called "post-acquittal detention
powers." Is there any better definition of a "show trial" than one in
which the defendant has no chance of ever being released even if
acquitted, because the Government will simply thereafter assert the
power to hold him indefinitely without charges?
I understand
that sending even a limited number of Terrorism suspects to federal
court is politically difficult and controversial, as the last couple of
days have demonstrated. But by refusing to embrace and defend the core
principle of justice at stake here -- that a distinguishing feature of
our political system is that we don't imprison or kill people without
charging them with a crime and proving their guilt in a real court, and
that military commissions and indefinite detention are un-American
(which Democrats argued under Bush) -- the Obama administration has made it far more difficult for it to defend what it is doing, as well as for those who want to defend their decision to give trials to 9/11 defendants.
To see how that works, here is part of the exchange I had on MSNBC this week with George Pataki, while debating trials for 9/11 defendants:
MR.
GREENWALD: If you look at how the British treated the people who did
the London subway bombings, the Spanish who treated the people who did
the Madrid subway bombings -- even India just put on trial the sole
surviving terrorist who perpetrated the Mumbai massacre last year. Even
Indonesia gave trials in their real cities to the people who blew up
the nightclubs in Bali.It's only the American conservatives who are feeding the terrorist agenda by saying that we're too scared to hold trials --
MR. RATIGAN: Hold on, Glenn.
MR. PATAKI: Can I respond to that, Dylan? Only the -- only the -- only the American conservatives? Then tell me why Obama and Holder are using military tribunals against those who blow up Americans in acts of war overseas?
They're just picking these particular terrorists for trial in New York
because they blew up civilians in New York. So what their logic is,
"Kill thousands of civilians and you can get a civilian trial; kill one
or two overseas, and we're going to use military tribunals."That makes no sense.
For
those wanting to defend the administration, what's the answer to
that? The same thing happened when Rep. Nadler, as part of the same
segment, tried to defend the Obama administration's decision to try the
9/11 defendants in New York:
REP.
NADLER: I think that our tradition is that people accused of heinous
crimes get trials, and they get trials in the area in which the crime
is committed, which is right here. And I think it's exactly the right
thing to do. . . .That's the way it ought to be, and we ought to show
the world that we adhere to our traditions of justice and that these
terrorists are not going to cause us to abandon the law.MR. PATAKI: ... We
are going to use military tribunals. They're saying they're perfectly
fine for some terrorists, but these terrorists they're going to try
here. What's the justification for that, Jerry?REP. NADLER: Well, I -- well, I don't think there is any justification.
MR. PATAKI: I don't either.
The
administration should have the courage of its convictions and defend
jury trials as a linchpin of American justice, which would entail
giving them to all Terrorism suspects not captured on any battlefield.
But by refusing to do so -- by exhibiting the very cowardice of which
Holder accused Republicans, i.e.
denying Terrorism suspects a trial -- the administration has no cogent
argument to make in its own defense. It's just another case of the
administration wanting to bask in the rhetorical glory of "the rule of
law" while simultaneously trampling on it for petty political
convenience.
UPDATE:
The blogger Patterico -- who, notably, is a prosectuor himself and
thus inclined to be empathetic with prosecutorial goals -- nonetheless compiles additional evidence to criticize Holder's decision as follows:
You
can see that what we have is an administration that is choosing where
to try the detainees, not based on some principle or neutral protocol
(as they claim), but based on where they can win. They're rigging the
game.And if they lose, they won't let him go anyway.
This is just further evidence that the KSM trial will be a show trial.
It's worth reading the arguments from a prosecutor
about why the administration's conduct is such a breach of basic
justice, even as they cynically wrap themselves in the rhetoric of the
sanctity of jury trials and the rule of law.
UPDATE II: For a crystal clear refutation of the claim that it's normal to use military commissions for the crimes at issue here, see this comment from the always-enlightening Pow Wow, which is based on this equally enlightening interview
by Marcy Wheeler of Lt. Col (and now-Law Professor) David Frakt,
highlighting the numerous myths on which the case for military
commissions is predicated.
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"What I'm absolutely clear about is that I have
complete confidence in the American people and our legal traditions and
the prosecutors, the tough prosecutors from New York who specialize in
terrorism" -- Barack Obama, yesterday."Holder said five other Guantanamo detainees would be tried by military tribunals.
The five include Abd al-Rahim al Nashiri, who is accused of
masterminding the 2000 attack on the USS Cole warship in Yemen; and
Canadian Omar Khadr, accused of killing a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan"
-- NPR, yesterday."'Administration
officials say they expect that as many as 40 of the 215 detainees at
Guantanamo will be tried in federal court or military commissions . . .
. and about 75 more have been deemed too dangerous to release but cannot be prosecuted
because of evidentiary issues and limits on the use of classified
material' . . . If true, that means that there are 75 so-called 'Fifth
Category' detainees who might be subject to indefinite detention without trial" -- The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder, yesterday, quoting The Washington Post.
* * * * *
Can
anyone reconcile Obama's homage to "our legal traditions" and his
professed faith in jury trials in the New York federal courts with the
reality of what his administration is doing: i.e., denying trials to a large number of detainees, either by putting them before military commissions or simply indefinitely imprisoning them without any process at all?
During his appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday,
Eric Holder struggled all day to justify his decision to put Khalid
Sheikh Mohammed on trial because he has no coherent principle to
invoke. He can't possibly defend the sanctity of jury trials in our
political system -- the most potent argument justifying what he did --
since he's the same person who is simultaneously denying trials
to Guantanamo detainees by sending them to military commissions and
even explicitly promising that some of them will be held without
charges of any kind.
Once you endorse the notion that the Government has the right to imprison people not captured on any battlefield
without giving them trials -- as the Obama administration is doing
explicitly and implicitly -- what convincing rationale can anyone offer
to justify giving Mohammed and other 9/11 defendants a real trial in
New York? If you're taking the position that military commissions and
even indefinite detention are perfectly legitimate tools to imprison
people -- as Holder has done -- then what is the answer to the Right's
objections that Mohammed himself belongs in a military commission? If
the administration believes Omar Khadr belongs in a military
commission, and if they believe others can be held indefinitely without
any charges, why isn't that true of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed? By denying
jury trials to a large number of detainees, Obama officials have
completely gutted their own case for why they did the right thing in
giving Mohammed a trial in New York.
Even worse, Holder was reduced to admitting
-- even boasting -- that this concocted multi-tiered justice system
(trials for some, commissions for others, indefinite detention for the
rest) enables the Government to pick and choose what level of due
process someone gets based on the Government's assessment as to where
and how they're most likely to get a conviction:
Courts
and commissions are both essential tools in our fight against terrorism
. . . On the same day I sent these five defendants to federal court, I
referred five others to be tried in military commissions. I am a
prosecutor, and as a prosecutor, my top priority was simply to select
the venue where the government will have the greatest opportunity to present the strongest case with the best law.
. . . At the end of the day, it was clear to me that the venue in which
we are most likely to obtain justice for the American people is a
federal court.
Does that remotely sound
like a "justice system"? If you're accused of being a Terrorist,
there's not one set procedure used to determine your guilt; instead,
the Government has a roving bazaar of various processes which it, in
its sole discretion, picks for you based on ensuring that it will win.
Even worse, Holder repeatedly assured Senators that the administration
would continue to imprison 9/11 defendants even in the very unlikely case that they were acquitted, citing what they previously suggested
was their Orwellian authority of so-called "post-acquittal detention
powers." Is there any better definition of a "show trial" than one in
which the defendant has no chance of ever being released even if
acquitted, because the Government will simply thereafter assert the
power to hold him indefinitely without charges?
I understand
that sending even a limited number of Terrorism suspects to federal
court is politically difficult and controversial, as the last couple of
days have demonstrated. But by refusing to embrace and defend the core
principle of justice at stake here -- that a distinguishing feature of
our political system is that we don't imprison or kill people without
charging them with a crime and proving their guilt in a real court, and
that military commissions and indefinite detention are un-American
(which Democrats argued under Bush) -- the Obama administration has made it far more difficult for it to defend what it is doing, as well as for those who want to defend their decision to give trials to 9/11 defendants.
To see how that works, here is part of the exchange I had on MSNBC this week with George Pataki, while debating trials for 9/11 defendants:
MR.
GREENWALD: If you look at how the British treated the people who did
the London subway bombings, the Spanish who treated the people who did
the Madrid subway bombings -- even India just put on trial the sole
surviving terrorist who perpetrated the Mumbai massacre last year. Even
Indonesia gave trials in their real cities to the people who blew up
the nightclubs in Bali.It's only the American conservatives who are feeding the terrorist agenda by saying that we're too scared to hold trials --
MR. RATIGAN: Hold on, Glenn.
MR. PATAKI: Can I respond to that, Dylan? Only the -- only the -- only the American conservatives? Then tell me why Obama and Holder are using military tribunals against those who blow up Americans in acts of war overseas?
They're just picking these particular terrorists for trial in New York
because they blew up civilians in New York. So what their logic is,
"Kill thousands of civilians and you can get a civilian trial; kill one
or two overseas, and we're going to use military tribunals."That makes no sense.
For
those wanting to defend the administration, what's the answer to
that? The same thing happened when Rep. Nadler, as part of the same
segment, tried to defend the Obama administration's decision to try the
9/11 defendants in New York:
REP.
NADLER: I think that our tradition is that people accused of heinous
crimes get trials, and they get trials in the area in which the crime
is committed, which is right here. And I think it's exactly the right
thing to do. . . .That's the way it ought to be, and we ought to show
the world that we adhere to our traditions of justice and that these
terrorists are not going to cause us to abandon the law.MR. PATAKI: ... We
are going to use military tribunals. They're saying they're perfectly
fine for some terrorists, but these terrorists they're going to try
here. What's the justification for that, Jerry?REP. NADLER: Well, I -- well, I don't think there is any justification.
MR. PATAKI: I don't either.
The
administration should have the courage of its convictions and defend
jury trials as a linchpin of American justice, which would entail
giving them to all Terrorism suspects not captured on any battlefield.
But by refusing to do so -- by exhibiting the very cowardice of which
Holder accused Republicans, i.e.
denying Terrorism suspects a trial -- the administration has no cogent
argument to make in its own defense. It's just another case of the
administration wanting to bask in the rhetorical glory of "the rule of
law" while simultaneously trampling on it for petty political
convenience.
UPDATE:
The blogger Patterico -- who, notably, is a prosectuor himself and
thus inclined to be empathetic with prosecutorial goals -- nonetheless compiles additional evidence to criticize Holder's decision as follows:
You
can see that what we have is an administration that is choosing where
to try the detainees, not based on some principle or neutral protocol
(as they claim), but based on where they can win. They're rigging the
game.And if they lose, they won't let him go anyway.
This is just further evidence that the KSM trial will be a show trial.
It's worth reading the arguments from a prosecutor
about why the administration's conduct is such a breach of basic
justice, even as they cynically wrap themselves in the rhetoric of the
sanctity of jury trials and the rule of law.
UPDATE II: For a crystal clear refutation of the claim that it's normal to use military commissions for the crimes at issue here, see this comment from the always-enlightening Pow Wow, which is based on this equally enlightening interview
by Marcy Wheeler of Lt. Col (and now-Law Professor) David Frakt,
highlighting the numerous myths on which the case for military
commissions is predicated.
"What I'm absolutely clear about is that I have
complete confidence in the American people and our legal traditions and
the prosecutors, the tough prosecutors from New York who specialize in
terrorism" -- Barack Obama, yesterday."Holder said five other Guantanamo detainees would be tried by military tribunals.
The five include Abd al-Rahim al Nashiri, who is accused of
masterminding the 2000 attack on the USS Cole warship in Yemen; and
Canadian Omar Khadr, accused of killing a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan"
-- NPR, yesterday."'Administration
officials say they expect that as many as 40 of the 215 detainees at
Guantanamo will be tried in federal court or military commissions . . .
. and about 75 more have been deemed too dangerous to release but cannot be prosecuted
because of evidentiary issues and limits on the use of classified
material' . . . If true, that means that there are 75 so-called 'Fifth
Category' detainees who might be subject to indefinite detention without trial" -- The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder, yesterday, quoting The Washington Post.
* * * * *
Can
anyone reconcile Obama's homage to "our legal traditions" and his
professed faith in jury trials in the New York federal courts with the
reality of what his administration is doing: i.e., denying trials to a large number of detainees, either by putting them before military commissions or simply indefinitely imprisoning them without any process at all?
During his appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday,
Eric Holder struggled all day to justify his decision to put Khalid
Sheikh Mohammed on trial because he has no coherent principle to
invoke. He can't possibly defend the sanctity of jury trials in our
political system -- the most potent argument justifying what he did --
since he's the same person who is simultaneously denying trials
to Guantanamo detainees by sending them to military commissions and
even explicitly promising that some of them will be held without
charges of any kind.
Once you endorse the notion that the Government has the right to imprison people not captured on any battlefield
without giving them trials -- as the Obama administration is doing
explicitly and implicitly -- what convincing rationale can anyone offer
to justify giving Mohammed and other 9/11 defendants a real trial in
New York? If you're taking the position that military commissions and
even indefinite detention are perfectly legitimate tools to imprison
people -- as Holder has done -- then what is the answer to the Right's
objections that Mohammed himself belongs in a military commission? If
the administration believes Omar Khadr belongs in a military
commission, and if they believe others can be held indefinitely without
any charges, why isn't that true of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed? By denying
jury trials to a large number of detainees, Obama officials have
completely gutted their own case for why they did the right thing in
giving Mohammed a trial in New York.
Even worse, Holder was reduced to admitting
-- even boasting -- that this concocted multi-tiered justice system
(trials for some, commissions for others, indefinite detention for the
rest) enables the Government to pick and choose what level of due
process someone gets based on the Government's assessment as to where
and how they're most likely to get a conviction:
Courts
and commissions are both essential tools in our fight against terrorism
. . . On the same day I sent these five defendants to federal court, I
referred five others to be tried in military commissions. I am a
prosecutor, and as a prosecutor, my top priority was simply to select
the venue where the government will have the greatest opportunity to present the strongest case with the best law.
. . . At the end of the day, it was clear to me that the venue in which
we are most likely to obtain justice for the American people is a
federal court.
Does that remotely sound
like a "justice system"? If you're accused of being a Terrorist,
there's not one set procedure used to determine your guilt; instead,
the Government has a roving bazaar of various processes which it, in
its sole discretion, picks for you based on ensuring that it will win.
Even worse, Holder repeatedly assured Senators that the administration
would continue to imprison 9/11 defendants even in the very unlikely case that they were acquitted, citing what they previously suggested
was their Orwellian authority of so-called "post-acquittal detention
powers." Is there any better definition of a "show trial" than one in
which the defendant has no chance of ever being released even if
acquitted, because the Government will simply thereafter assert the
power to hold him indefinitely without charges?
I understand
that sending even a limited number of Terrorism suspects to federal
court is politically difficult and controversial, as the last couple of
days have demonstrated. But by refusing to embrace and defend the core
principle of justice at stake here -- that a distinguishing feature of
our political system is that we don't imprison or kill people without
charging them with a crime and proving their guilt in a real court, and
that military commissions and indefinite detention are un-American
(which Democrats argued under Bush) -- the Obama administration has made it far more difficult for it to defend what it is doing, as well as for those who want to defend their decision to give trials to 9/11 defendants.
To see how that works, here is part of the exchange I had on MSNBC this week with George Pataki, while debating trials for 9/11 defendants:
MR.
GREENWALD: If you look at how the British treated the people who did
the London subway bombings, the Spanish who treated the people who did
the Madrid subway bombings -- even India just put on trial the sole
surviving terrorist who perpetrated the Mumbai massacre last year. Even
Indonesia gave trials in their real cities to the people who blew up
the nightclubs in Bali.It's only the American conservatives who are feeding the terrorist agenda by saying that we're too scared to hold trials --
MR. RATIGAN: Hold on, Glenn.
MR. PATAKI: Can I respond to that, Dylan? Only the -- only the -- only the American conservatives? Then tell me why Obama and Holder are using military tribunals against those who blow up Americans in acts of war overseas?
They're just picking these particular terrorists for trial in New York
because they blew up civilians in New York. So what their logic is,
"Kill thousands of civilians and you can get a civilian trial; kill one
or two overseas, and we're going to use military tribunals."That makes no sense.
For
those wanting to defend the administration, what's the answer to
that? The same thing happened when Rep. Nadler, as part of the same
segment, tried to defend the Obama administration's decision to try the
9/11 defendants in New York:
REP.
NADLER: I think that our tradition is that people accused of heinous
crimes get trials, and they get trials in the area in which the crime
is committed, which is right here. And I think it's exactly the right
thing to do. . . .That's the way it ought to be, and we ought to show
the world that we adhere to our traditions of justice and that these
terrorists are not going to cause us to abandon the law.MR. PATAKI: ... We
are going to use military tribunals. They're saying they're perfectly
fine for some terrorists, but these terrorists they're going to try
here. What's the justification for that, Jerry?REP. NADLER: Well, I -- well, I don't think there is any justification.
MR. PATAKI: I don't either.
The
administration should have the courage of its convictions and defend
jury trials as a linchpin of American justice, which would entail
giving them to all Terrorism suspects not captured on any battlefield.
But by refusing to do so -- by exhibiting the very cowardice of which
Holder accused Republicans, i.e.
denying Terrorism suspects a trial -- the administration has no cogent
argument to make in its own defense. It's just another case of the
administration wanting to bask in the rhetorical glory of "the rule of
law" while simultaneously trampling on it for petty political
convenience.
UPDATE:
The blogger Patterico -- who, notably, is a prosectuor himself and
thus inclined to be empathetic with prosecutorial goals -- nonetheless compiles additional evidence to criticize Holder's decision as follows:
You
can see that what we have is an administration that is choosing where
to try the detainees, not based on some principle or neutral protocol
(as they claim), but based on where they can win. They're rigging the
game.And if they lose, they won't let him go anyway.
This is just further evidence that the KSM trial will be a show trial.
It's worth reading the arguments from a prosecutor
about why the administration's conduct is such a breach of basic
justice, even as they cynically wrap themselves in the rhetoric of the
sanctity of jury trials and the rule of law.
UPDATE II: For a crystal clear refutation of the claim that it's normal to use military commissions for the crimes at issue here, see this comment from the always-enlightening Pow Wow, which is based on this equally enlightening interview
by Marcy Wheeler of Lt. Col (and now-Law Professor) David Frakt,
highlighting the numerous myths on which the case for military
commissions is predicated.