Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) speaks to guests during a campaign stop at Fisher Elementary School on Jan. 12, 2020 in Marshalltown, Iowa. (Photo: Scott Olson/Getty Images)
Jan 12, 2020
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren said Monday night that she has "no interest in discussing this private meeting any further," but after making an explosive charge against her 2020 Democratic rival Sen. Bernie Sanders that stated desire is clearly not going to matter very much--and critics of how Warren levied the accusation suggested that could likely be the point.
"Warren and Sanders need to squash this by tomorrow night's debate. I think Warren's in the wrong. But more importantly: this helps Biden."
--Emma Vigeland, The Young Turks
In a statement issued by her campaign's communication manager Kristen Orthman, Warren claimed that in a private 2018 conversation Sanders "disagreed" with her that a woman candidate could beat President Donald Trump in the 2020 general election--a difference of opinion she characterized as having something to do with "punditry."
What Sanders was alleged to have said in the 2018 conversation was first made by anonymous sources "familiar with" the meeting in a report earlier Monday by CNN--a piece of journalism pilloried by critics as an irresponsible hit job. In response to the claims in the story, Sanders said it was "ludicrous to believe that at the same meeting where Elizabeth Warren told me she was going to run for president, I would tell her that a woman couldn't win."
Warren offered a different version. In her statement about their private discussion, she said the two discussed "the 2020 election, our past work together, and our shared goals: beating Donald Trump, taking back our government from the wealthy and well-connected, and building an economy that works for everyone."
Among the other topics that came up, Warren added, "was what would happen if Democrats nominated a female candidate. I thought a woman could win; he disagreed," she said. "I have no interest in discussing this private meeting any further because Bernie and I have far more in common than our differences on punditry."
For longtime political observers of Sanders, Warren's characterization of the private discussion seemed incompatible with how Sanders conducts himself and what he's been saying publicly about women in general and female politicians in particular for decades:
\u201cThe version of the story where Bernie says a woman \u201ccan\u2019t win\u201d just doesn\u2019t scan. That\u2019s not how he talks. His explanation, that he said Trump will weaponize misogyny, makes more sense (and is obviously true).\u201d— Ryan Grim (@Ryan Grim) 1578955437
Offering his perspective, the Washington Post's campaign reporter Dave Weigel responded to Warren's statement by remarking, "There are Rashomon vibes to this Warren/Sanders meeting but it would be weird if a frank conversation didn't get into mysogyny and how Trump would use it. Sanders's statement hints at that. It's just a ways from that to 'a woman can't win.'"
In a separate tweet, he added:
\u201cNot gonna tweet all night about this, but the initial Sanders statement denied that he said a woman can\u2019t win, and added that they discussed how Trump was a \u201csexist\u201d who would \u201cweaponize whatever he could.\u201d That\u2019s where I see the overlap w Warren statement.\u201d— David Weigel (@David Weigel) 1578966177
Other observers remained unconvinced Sanders would ever flatly assert that a woman could not be president, but gave Warren the benefit of the doubt and suggested that she, and now her campaign, possibly misinterpreted something said during that "frank conversation" about how Trump would deploy sexist and misogynistic attacks into a claim that Bernie himself made.
\u201cI\u2019m sure there are elements of truth in both versions of the story.\n\nBut this was a private conversation from year ago\u2014 two friends talking politics. A \u201cversion\u201d of the story isn\u2019t enough, especially when the charge is so extreme... and beneficial to the one dipping in the polls.\u201d— Emma Vigeland (@Emma Vigeland) 1578969639
\u201cwithout a transcript, the Warren/Sanders story is basically two dueling characterizations of a conversation from over a year ago. I don't for one second believe that he said "a woman can't win," nor did she explicitly attribute those words to him in her confirmation.\u201d— Natalie Shure (@Natalie Shure) 1578965505
Rolling Stone's Matt Taibbi pointed out: "There were only two people in that Sanders-Warren meeting. Outlets like CNN are saying the 'revelation' that Bernie didn't believe a woman could win is sourced to four people, but the story is really entirely sourced to Warren."
Some reporting, meanwhile, indicated a belief within the Sanders campaign that this was all coordinated in advance by Warren and her staff.
According to Steve Peoples, political reporter for the Associated Press: "A senior Bernie Sanders' adviser tells me they believe that Elizabeth Warren's campaign intentionally leaked a false description of their 2018 meeting. Says it's a recent pattern of Warren attacking the Dem front-runner."
Ryan Grim, Washington bureau chief for The Intercept, tweeted that he asked Warren directly Monday night "if the leak from the Sanders meeting was intentional, and she said that it was not." Regardless, Grim added, "questions about how it came about" will persist.
Many Sanders supporters were unwilling to give Warren much benefit of the doubt and characterized the accusation as a "cynical," "desperate," and "sad" effort to attack her rival--leading her in most polling--just a day before the next Democratic debate and only three weeks ahead of the Iowa caucus.
\u201cReally low to shop around a damning story about a private and therefore, if both parties present disagree, categorically unverifiable conversation in the eleventh hour.\u201d— Meagan Day (@Meagan Day) 1578963048
\u201cThere's 2 possibilities as far as I can tell:\n1- Warren is lying\n2- She's being purposely dense to the context. IE Bernie saying something like: "bc of the role of sexism, a woman will unfairly have a harder time getting elected"\n\nEither way she stabbed her "friend" in the back\u201d— Secular Talk\ud83c\udf99 (@Secular Talk\ud83c\udf99) 1578963348
\u201c@emilycrockett I would concede that I could've misinterpreted it and would call my "good friend" for clarity before asserting something that clearly goes nuclear on his campaign . unless that is, my intention was to go nuclear on his campaign. in which case, I'd do what Warren did\u201d— Emily Crockett (@Emily Crockett) 1578962525
\u201cI think it is insulting that @EWarren seems to believe that women are politically shallow enough that we would buy the lie that @SenSanders does not think a woman can win the presidency. \n\nThis is truly disgraceful. \n\n#Bernie2020\u201d— RoseAnn DeMoro (@RoseAnn DeMoro) 1578967849
For her part, Sanders national press secretary Briahna Joy Gray was unsparing to those co-opting the language of the 'Me Too' movement and trying to use a faux form of feminism to argue that Warren's version of what transpired is beyond reproach simply because she is a woman:
\u201cI honestly can't stop thinking about how this is one of the most despicable, craven, cynical exploitations of sexual assault I've ever seen -- all because a political operative who, herself, has a checkered record on protecting survivors, doesn't like Bernie.\u201d— Briahna Joy Gray (@Briahna Joy Gray) 1578970892
After CNN's story earlier in the day, but prior to Warren's evening statement, Sanders campaign manager Faiz Shakir claimed the reporting--which cited anonymous sources not even present during the private discussion--was troubling precisely because the accusation was unequivocally false. "It's a lie," Shakir asserted. Watch:
\u201cNEW: @BernieSanders campaign manager responds to report that in 2018 Sanders told @ewarren that a woman couldn\u2019t win in 2020.\n\n@fshakir: \u201cIt is a lie.\u201d\u201d— Ryan Nobles (@Ryan Nobles) 1578953143
With progressives warning that a distracting and drawn out imbroglio between Warren and Sanders at this point in the primary is a lose-lose for the movement overall--and that only corporate interests and Republicans will benefit from a division between the two most left-leaning candidates--many wished the story would just go away.
Meanwhile, the emerging unified message from the Sanders campaign was a call to "stay focused" on the issues that matter and keep the eye on the prize of winning the primary and then beating Trump in order to enact a bold vision to transform the nation.
\u201cStay focused, everyone\u201d— Faiz (@Faiz) 1578965365
As the controversy stirred up by a private conversation between Warren and Sanders in 2018 raged on social media and among the cable news pundits, Emma Vigeland of The Young Turks warned of the damage being done and called for a renewed truce between the two candidates:
\u201c.@ewarren and @BernieSanders need to squash this by tomorrow night\u2019s debate.\n\nI think Warren\u2019s in the wrong. But more importantly: this helps BIDEN.\n\nAnti-single payer, pro-Wall St, Iraq war voting, mass incarcerating, can\u2019t remember anything BIDEN.\n\nHe\u2019d lose to Trump. End this.\u201d— Emma Vigeland (@Emma Vigeland) 1578972818
"Everything about this Bernie/Warren story sucks," Vigeland stated. "I hate it."
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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren said Monday night that she has "no interest in discussing this private meeting any further," but after making an explosive charge against her 2020 Democratic rival Sen. Bernie Sanders that stated desire is clearly not going to matter very much--and critics of how Warren levied the accusation suggested that could likely be the point.
"Warren and Sanders need to squash this by tomorrow night's debate. I think Warren's in the wrong. But more importantly: this helps Biden."
--Emma Vigeland, The Young Turks
In a statement issued by her campaign's communication manager Kristen Orthman, Warren claimed that in a private 2018 conversation Sanders "disagreed" with her that a woman candidate could beat President Donald Trump in the 2020 general election--a difference of opinion she characterized as having something to do with "punditry."
What Sanders was alleged to have said in the 2018 conversation was first made by anonymous sources "familiar with" the meeting in a report earlier Monday by CNN--a piece of journalism pilloried by critics as an irresponsible hit job. In response to the claims in the story, Sanders said it was "ludicrous to believe that at the same meeting where Elizabeth Warren told me she was going to run for president, I would tell her that a woman couldn't win."
Warren offered a different version. In her statement about their private discussion, she said the two discussed "the 2020 election, our past work together, and our shared goals: beating Donald Trump, taking back our government from the wealthy and well-connected, and building an economy that works for everyone."
Among the other topics that came up, Warren added, "was what would happen if Democrats nominated a female candidate. I thought a woman could win; he disagreed," she said. "I have no interest in discussing this private meeting any further because Bernie and I have far more in common than our differences on punditry."
For longtime political observers of Sanders, Warren's characterization of the private discussion seemed incompatible with how Sanders conducts himself and what he's been saying publicly about women in general and female politicians in particular for decades:
\u201cThe version of the story where Bernie says a woman \u201ccan\u2019t win\u201d just doesn\u2019t scan. That\u2019s not how he talks. His explanation, that he said Trump will weaponize misogyny, makes more sense (and is obviously true).\u201d— Ryan Grim (@Ryan Grim) 1578955437
Offering his perspective, the Washington Post's campaign reporter Dave Weigel responded to Warren's statement by remarking, "There are Rashomon vibes to this Warren/Sanders meeting but it would be weird if a frank conversation didn't get into mysogyny and how Trump would use it. Sanders's statement hints at that. It's just a ways from that to 'a woman can't win.'"
In a separate tweet, he added:
\u201cNot gonna tweet all night about this, but the initial Sanders statement denied that he said a woman can\u2019t win, and added that they discussed how Trump was a \u201csexist\u201d who would \u201cweaponize whatever he could.\u201d That\u2019s where I see the overlap w Warren statement.\u201d— David Weigel (@David Weigel) 1578966177
Other observers remained unconvinced Sanders would ever flatly assert that a woman could not be president, but gave Warren the benefit of the doubt and suggested that she, and now her campaign, possibly misinterpreted something said during that "frank conversation" about how Trump would deploy sexist and misogynistic attacks into a claim that Bernie himself made.
\u201cI\u2019m sure there are elements of truth in both versions of the story.\n\nBut this was a private conversation from year ago\u2014 two friends talking politics. A \u201cversion\u201d of the story isn\u2019t enough, especially when the charge is so extreme... and beneficial to the one dipping in the polls.\u201d— Emma Vigeland (@Emma Vigeland) 1578969639
\u201cwithout a transcript, the Warren/Sanders story is basically two dueling characterizations of a conversation from over a year ago. I don't for one second believe that he said "a woman can't win," nor did she explicitly attribute those words to him in her confirmation.\u201d— Natalie Shure (@Natalie Shure) 1578965505
Rolling Stone's Matt Taibbi pointed out: "There were only two people in that Sanders-Warren meeting. Outlets like CNN are saying the 'revelation' that Bernie didn't believe a woman could win is sourced to four people, but the story is really entirely sourced to Warren."
Some reporting, meanwhile, indicated a belief within the Sanders campaign that this was all coordinated in advance by Warren and her staff.
According to Steve Peoples, political reporter for the Associated Press: "A senior Bernie Sanders' adviser tells me they believe that Elizabeth Warren's campaign intentionally leaked a false description of their 2018 meeting. Says it's a recent pattern of Warren attacking the Dem front-runner."
Ryan Grim, Washington bureau chief for The Intercept, tweeted that he asked Warren directly Monday night "if the leak from the Sanders meeting was intentional, and she said that it was not." Regardless, Grim added, "questions about how it came about" will persist.
Many Sanders supporters were unwilling to give Warren much benefit of the doubt and characterized the accusation as a "cynical," "desperate," and "sad" effort to attack her rival--leading her in most polling--just a day before the next Democratic debate and only three weeks ahead of the Iowa caucus.
\u201cReally low to shop around a damning story about a private and therefore, if both parties present disagree, categorically unverifiable conversation in the eleventh hour.\u201d— Meagan Day (@Meagan Day) 1578963048
\u201cThere's 2 possibilities as far as I can tell:\n1- Warren is lying\n2- She's being purposely dense to the context. IE Bernie saying something like: "bc of the role of sexism, a woman will unfairly have a harder time getting elected"\n\nEither way she stabbed her "friend" in the back\u201d— Secular Talk\ud83c\udf99 (@Secular Talk\ud83c\udf99) 1578963348
\u201c@emilycrockett I would concede that I could've misinterpreted it and would call my "good friend" for clarity before asserting something that clearly goes nuclear on his campaign . unless that is, my intention was to go nuclear on his campaign. in which case, I'd do what Warren did\u201d— Emily Crockett (@Emily Crockett) 1578962525
\u201cI think it is insulting that @EWarren seems to believe that women are politically shallow enough that we would buy the lie that @SenSanders does not think a woman can win the presidency. \n\nThis is truly disgraceful. \n\n#Bernie2020\u201d— RoseAnn DeMoro (@RoseAnn DeMoro) 1578967849
For her part, Sanders national press secretary Briahna Joy Gray was unsparing to those co-opting the language of the 'Me Too' movement and trying to use a faux form of feminism to argue that Warren's version of what transpired is beyond reproach simply because she is a woman:
\u201cI honestly can't stop thinking about how this is one of the most despicable, craven, cynical exploitations of sexual assault I've ever seen -- all because a political operative who, herself, has a checkered record on protecting survivors, doesn't like Bernie.\u201d— Briahna Joy Gray (@Briahna Joy Gray) 1578970892
After CNN's story earlier in the day, but prior to Warren's evening statement, Sanders campaign manager Faiz Shakir claimed the reporting--which cited anonymous sources not even present during the private discussion--was troubling precisely because the accusation was unequivocally false. "It's a lie," Shakir asserted. Watch:
\u201cNEW: @BernieSanders campaign manager responds to report that in 2018 Sanders told @ewarren that a woman couldn\u2019t win in 2020.\n\n@fshakir: \u201cIt is a lie.\u201d\u201d— Ryan Nobles (@Ryan Nobles) 1578953143
With progressives warning that a distracting and drawn out imbroglio between Warren and Sanders at this point in the primary is a lose-lose for the movement overall--and that only corporate interests and Republicans will benefit from a division between the two most left-leaning candidates--many wished the story would just go away.
Meanwhile, the emerging unified message from the Sanders campaign was a call to "stay focused" on the issues that matter and keep the eye on the prize of winning the primary and then beating Trump in order to enact a bold vision to transform the nation.
\u201cStay focused, everyone\u201d— Faiz (@Faiz) 1578965365
As the controversy stirred up by a private conversation between Warren and Sanders in 2018 raged on social media and among the cable news pundits, Emma Vigeland of The Young Turks warned of the damage being done and called for a renewed truce between the two candidates:
\u201c.@ewarren and @BernieSanders need to squash this by tomorrow night\u2019s debate.\n\nI think Warren\u2019s in the wrong. But more importantly: this helps BIDEN.\n\nAnti-single payer, pro-Wall St, Iraq war voting, mass incarcerating, can\u2019t remember anything BIDEN.\n\nHe\u2019d lose to Trump. End this.\u201d— Emma Vigeland (@Emma Vigeland) 1578972818
"Everything about this Bernie/Warren story sucks," Vigeland stated. "I hate it."
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren said Monday night that she has "no interest in discussing this private meeting any further," but after making an explosive charge against her 2020 Democratic rival Sen. Bernie Sanders that stated desire is clearly not going to matter very much--and critics of how Warren levied the accusation suggested that could likely be the point.
"Warren and Sanders need to squash this by tomorrow night's debate. I think Warren's in the wrong. But more importantly: this helps Biden."
--Emma Vigeland, The Young Turks
In a statement issued by her campaign's communication manager Kristen Orthman, Warren claimed that in a private 2018 conversation Sanders "disagreed" with her that a woman candidate could beat President Donald Trump in the 2020 general election--a difference of opinion she characterized as having something to do with "punditry."
What Sanders was alleged to have said in the 2018 conversation was first made by anonymous sources "familiar with" the meeting in a report earlier Monday by CNN--a piece of journalism pilloried by critics as an irresponsible hit job. In response to the claims in the story, Sanders said it was "ludicrous to believe that at the same meeting where Elizabeth Warren told me she was going to run for president, I would tell her that a woman couldn't win."
Warren offered a different version. In her statement about their private discussion, she said the two discussed "the 2020 election, our past work together, and our shared goals: beating Donald Trump, taking back our government from the wealthy and well-connected, and building an economy that works for everyone."
Among the other topics that came up, Warren added, "was what would happen if Democrats nominated a female candidate. I thought a woman could win; he disagreed," she said. "I have no interest in discussing this private meeting any further because Bernie and I have far more in common than our differences on punditry."
For longtime political observers of Sanders, Warren's characterization of the private discussion seemed incompatible with how Sanders conducts himself and what he's been saying publicly about women in general and female politicians in particular for decades:
\u201cThe version of the story where Bernie says a woman \u201ccan\u2019t win\u201d just doesn\u2019t scan. That\u2019s not how he talks. His explanation, that he said Trump will weaponize misogyny, makes more sense (and is obviously true).\u201d— Ryan Grim (@Ryan Grim) 1578955437
Offering his perspective, the Washington Post's campaign reporter Dave Weigel responded to Warren's statement by remarking, "There are Rashomon vibes to this Warren/Sanders meeting but it would be weird if a frank conversation didn't get into mysogyny and how Trump would use it. Sanders's statement hints at that. It's just a ways from that to 'a woman can't win.'"
In a separate tweet, he added:
\u201cNot gonna tweet all night about this, but the initial Sanders statement denied that he said a woman can\u2019t win, and added that they discussed how Trump was a \u201csexist\u201d who would \u201cweaponize whatever he could.\u201d That\u2019s where I see the overlap w Warren statement.\u201d— David Weigel (@David Weigel) 1578966177
Other observers remained unconvinced Sanders would ever flatly assert that a woman could not be president, but gave Warren the benefit of the doubt and suggested that she, and now her campaign, possibly misinterpreted something said during that "frank conversation" about how Trump would deploy sexist and misogynistic attacks into a claim that Bernie himself made.
\u201cI\u2019m sure there are elements of truth in both versions of the story.\n\nBut this was a private conversation from year ago\u2014 two friends talking politics. A \u201cversion\u201d of the story isn\u2019t enough, especially when the charge is so extreme... and beneficial to the one dipping in the polls.\u201d— Emma Vigeland (@Emma Vigeland) 1578969639
\u201cwithout a transcript, the Warren/Sanders story is basically two dueling characterizations of a conversation from over a year ago. I don't for one second believe that he said "a woman can't win," nor did she explicitly attribute those words to him in her confirmation.\u201d— Natalie Shure (@Natalie Shure) 1578965505
Rolling Stone's Matt Taibbi pointed out: "There were only two people in that Sanders-Warren meeting. Outlets like CNN are saying the 'revelation' that Bernie didn't believe a woman could win is sourced to four people, but the story is really entirely sourced to Warren."
Some reporting, meanwhile, indicated a belief within the Sanders campaign that this was all coordinated in advance by Warren and her staff.
According to Steve Peoples, political reporter for the Associated Press: "A senior Bernie Sanders' adviser tells me they believe that Elizabeth Warren's campaign intentionally leaked a false description of their 2018 meeting. Says it's a recent pattern of Warren attacking the Dem front-runner."
Ryan Grim, Washington bureau chief for The Intercept, tweeted that he asked Warren directly Monday night "if the leak from the Sanders meeting was intentional, and she said that it was not." Regardless, Grim added, "questions about how it came about" will persist.
Many Sanders supporters were unwilling to give Warren much benefit of the doubt and characterized the accusation as a "cynical," "desperate," and "sad" effort to attack her rival--leading her in most polling--just a day before the next Democratic debate and only three weeks ahead of the Iowa caucus.
\u201cReally low to shop around a damning story about a private and therefore, if both parties present disagree, categorically unverifiable conversation in the eleventh hour.\u201d— Meagan Day (@Meagan Day) 1578963048
\u201cThere's 2 possibilities as far as I can tell:\n1- Warren is lying\n2- She's being purposely dense to the context. IE Bernie saying something like: "bc of the role of sexism, a woman will unfairly have a harder time getting elected"\n\nEither way she stabbed her "friend" in the back\u201d— Secular Talk\ud83c\udf99 (@Secular Talk\ud83c\udf99) 1578963348
\u201c@emilycrockett I would concede that I could've misinterpreted it and would call my "good friend" for clarity before asserting something that clearly goes nuclear on his campaign . unless that is, my intention was to go nuclear on his campaign. in which case, I'd do what Warren did\u201d— Emily Crockett (@Emily Crockett) 1578962525
\u201cI think it is insulting that @EWarren seems to believe that women are politically shallow enough that we would buy the lie that @SenSanders does not think a woman can win the presidency. \n\nThis is truly disgraceful. \n\n#Bernie2020\u201d— RoseAnn DeMoro (@RoseAnn DeMoro) 1578967849
For her part, Sanders national press secretary Briahna Joy Gray was unsparing to those co-opting the language of the 'Me Too' movement and trying to use a faux form of feminism to argue that Warren's version of what transpired is beyond reproach simply because she is a woman:
\u201cI honestly can't stop thinking about how this is one of the most despicable, craven, cynical exploitations of sexual assault I've ever seen -- all because a political operative who, herself, has a checkered record on protecting survivors, doesn't like Bernie.\u201d— Briahna Joy Gray (@Briahna Joy Gray) 1578970892
After CNN's story earlier in the day, but prior to Warren's evening statement, Sanders campaign manager Faiz Shakir claimed the reporting--which cited anonymous sources not even present during the private discussion--was troubling precisely because the accusation was unequivocally false. "It's a lie," Shakir asserted. Watch:
\u201cNEW: @BernieSanders campaign manager responds to report that in 2018 Sanders told @ewarren that a woman couldn\u2019t win in 2020.\n\n@fshakir: \u201cIt is a lie.\u201d\u201d— Ryan Nobles (@Ryan Nobles) 1578953143
With progressives warning that a distracting and drawn out imbroglio between Warren and Sanders at this point in the primary is a lose-lose for the movement overall--and that only corporate interests and Republicans will benefit from a division between the two most left-leaning candidates--many wished the story would just go away.
Meanwhile, the emerging unified message from the Sanders campaign was a call to "stay focused" on the issues that matter and keep the eye on the prize of winning the primary and then beating Trump in order to enact a bold vision to transform the nation.
\u201cStay focused, everyone\u201d— Faiz (@Faiz) 1578965365
As the controversy stirred up by a private conversation between Warren and Sanders in 2018 raged on social media and among the cable news pundits, Emma Vigeland of The Young Turks warned of the damage being done and called for a renewed truce between the two candidates:
\u201c.@ewarren and @BernieSanders need to squash this by tomorrow night\u2019s debate.\n\nI think Warren\u2019s in the wrong. But more importantly: this helps BIDEN.\n\nAnti-single payer, pro-Wall St, Iraq war voting, mass incarcerating, can\u2019t remember anything BIDEN.\n\nHe\u2019d lose to Trump. End this.\u201d— Emma Vigeland (@Emma Vigeland) 1578972818
"Everything about this Bernie/Warren story sucks," Vigeland stated. "I hate it."
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