Apr 18, 2009
Last week, a leading "pro-life" blogger Jill Stanek made a cameo appearance in the comments section of a blog of mine, "The Call for Common Ground on Abortion,"
on Huffington Post. My post basically reported on, and offered
perspective about, a conference call the White house organized for
pro-life and pro-choice groups. It took the opportunity to announce the
administration's intent to explore common ground in the abortion
conflict. In my post, I pointed out that it's clear Obama's team wants
to make progress on an issue that has divided and damaged us as a
country for too long. They had explained the areas they hoped could
unite pro-choice and pro-life people: reducing unintended pregnancy,
including teen pregnancy, making adoption a more accessible choice for
women confronting unintended pregnancy, and supporting struggling
families with wanted pregnancies. They want to move forward, and have
set up a common sense framework to do so. It's hard to demean such
earnest intent.
But many veteran leaders in the "pro-life"
movement are immovably stuck in their positions. They appear deeply
invested in rehashing the same, seemingly eternal arguments, in
continuing what even to a staunch pro-choicer like myself seems like a
tedious fight. The natural inclination of rational Americans pining for
common ground, as most of both persuasions on the abortion issue are,
might be to zone out the heckling. But listening to this increasingly
out of the mainstream arguments by people like Jill Stanek helps to
understand the reason we have suffered from intransigence for so long.
Too many of the most committed people, and here, the pro-choice side is
not immune, feel that anything the opponent agrees to must be suspect.
Bloggers like Stanek, those speaking into the echo chamber, are
apparently so invested in continuing the fight that they won't budge.
One suspects their incalcitrance is based not just on morality, but
self-interest as well. If the vitriol isn't high enough they worry
their base might drift away.
Jill is the perfect example of the
unbending culture warrior. The one committed to fanning the flames of
the ethereal, abstract side of debate and belittling or ignoring the
common sense, brick and mortar proposals for problem solving. Jill is
no doubt a smart chick. Her posts are always engaging even for those of
the pro-choice persuasion like myself. If only she used her abilities
not to undermine
common ground efforts. Obama's common ground pledge (and my piece about
it) did not muster any interest in Jill in finding a solution. It did
inspire her to return for the billionth time to the well-worn
arguments. She writes,
"Cristina, the basic questions: Why care about reducing the need for abortion? What's wrong with it?"
I answered,
"Hi
Jill, nice to hear from you. I think it's the same reason to reduce
teen parenthood and to reduce the need to place a child for adoption.
If any woman in one of those circumstances were to be asked, "if you
could go back in time and avoid being in this predicament, would you?"
nearly all would say yes. I think we should reduce teen parenthood and
the need for adoption too. These are each often tremendously difficult
choices that ideally no woman should have to face. Adoption, abortion,
and parenthood are all the results of unintended pregnancy and I
believe women should have access to each of these options legally and
safely. But it's unintended pregnancy that's the real problem here.
That's what we need to work to avoid."Sorry to not give you the
"gotcha" moment you were looking for. For Huffpo readers, Jill Stanek
is a leader in the anti-abortion movement and probably the most popular
blogger on that side of the issue. Jill, here are my questions for you:
Why are you opposed to preventing unintended pregnancy and access to
contraception as one vehicle toward that end? Why do you pursue the
outlawing of abortion even though it has failed to reduce abortion
rates wherever it's been tried? Why not institute the policies that
result in the lowest abortion rates on earth? So what if it's the most
pro-choice countries that have the lowest abortion rates, aren't
"pro-life" results what you're after?"
She replied,
"Christina, seriously, thanks for the kind words on my credentials.But
you didn't answer me. You may consider my question a "gotcha," but it's
foundational. How can we devise solutions when we haven't defined the
problem? What exactly is the problem with abortion? Why is it "a
tremendously difficult choice[ ] that ideally no woman should have to
face"?"What is wrong with abortion? Is it or is it not morally
neutral or even superior, as new Cambridge Episcopal Divinity School
pro-abort President Rev. Katherine Hancock Ragsdale tagged it - "a
blessing" and "holy work"?"
I replied,
"Well,
actually, if you read what I wrote again, you'll see I was referring to
adoption and teen parenthood as "often tremendously difficult choices."
Sure, abortion can be a difficult choice for some women too (though or
some women it is accompanied by no grief, though, just relief) and
studies show that the more religious a woman is the harder struggle she
has with it. So possibly, it's the culture she's in that creates guilt
with her decision."Regardless, my point is that all choices
accompanying an unintended pregnancy can be (but aren't always)
difficult, but that's no reason to outlaw any of them. Based on your
logic, it's grief that is the measure of what the "right" decision is.
Then a woman who suffers grief after placing a child for adoption made
the wrong choice, an immoral choice, right? Why not ban adoption then?
Why not tell her that the reason she's feeling bad is because she made
the wrong decision, one that God does not condone? That would be a
terrible thing to do with women choosing adoption, and it's a terrible
thing to do to women choosing abortion too."I've attempted to
answer your question twice. You have not answered my questions even
once. Please do. Why can't we agree to try to help women avoid having
to make these decisions in the first place? Tell me Jill, honestly,
what do you think are the areas we can agree on? Because I think
there's a bunch."
In the end, Jill never once
attempts to answer any of my simple questions, which is typical. I've
noticed this tactic used often by those pro-lifers who work in the
movement. Whenever the discussion gets off ethereal principles and onto
the problem solving, they revert back to airy lectures. They continue
to want to talk about the morality of abortion and are desperate to
change the subject when it's about solving what they consider a moral
crisis. They're the ones who have a problem with abortion. Why is the
pro-choice camp the only side trying to come up with solutions, often
successfully, to their problem? President Bush didn't promise to
attempt to reduce abortion rates during his Presidency and, early
indicators suggest, he lived up to that disinterest. The decline in
abortion rates slowed during his administration, teen birth rates
spiked, and the economic nightmare he left us in seems to already be
causing an uptick in abortions. All that is traceable to Bush policies
and mismanagement.
Meanwhile, the dramatic declines in
abortion rates brought to us by President Clinton and the Obama
administration's promise to deliver the same results elicit sneers and
ire from the "pro-life" movement. (I put "pro-life" in quotes because
you can't really be pro-life if your actions create more of the
abortions you profess to hate.) Bill Clinton, if based on results
alone, was the most pro-life president we've ever had and the pro-life
movement hates him for it.
This is why the Obama team needs to
look past the old-guard culture warriors. People like Jill Stanek
approve of the rhetoric of the "culture of life" but are not interested
in reducing the need for abortion. She's seems more interested in
attracting eyeballs to her site. Looking for common ground solutions
from operatives like her is like turning to Michael Vick for
dog-training tips.
The common ground movement Obama is hoping
to advance will come about because of people who want real solutions,
whose livelihoods don't depend on the conflict continuing, people who
believe we deserve a better national dialogue and better leadership on
this issue. We've finally got an administration willing to moderate a
productive discussion. It's time to get the hecklers out of room, and
get on with the work.
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Cristina Page
Cristina Page is a prominent reproductive rights activist and author of "How the Pro-Choice Movement Saved America: Freedom, Politics and the War on Sex" and spokesperson for birthcontrolwatch.org.
Last week, a leading "pro-life" blogger Jill Stanek made a cameo appearance in the comments section of a blog of mine, "The Call for Common Ground on Abortion,"
on Huffington Post. My post basically reported on, and offered
perspective about, a conference call the White house organized for
pro-life and pro-choice groups. It took the opportunity to announce the
administration's intent to explore common ground in the abortion
conflict. In my post, I pointed out that it's clear Obama's team wants
to make progress on an issue that has divided and damaged us as a
country for too long. They had explained the areas they hoped could
unite pro-choice and pro-life people: reducing unintended pregnancy,
including teen pregnancy, making adoption a more accessible choice for
women confronting unintended pregnancy, and supporting struggling
families with wanted pregnancies. They want to move forward, and have
set up a common sense framework to do so. It's hard to demean such
earnest intent.
But many veteran leaders in the "pro-life"
movement are immovably stuck in their positions. They appear deeply
invested in rehashing the same, seemingly eternal arguments, in
continuing what even to a staunch pro-choicer like myself seems like a
tedious fight. The natural inclination of rational Americans pining for
common ground, as most of both persuasions on the abortion issue are,
might be to zone out the heckling. But listening to this increasingly
out of the mainstream arguments by people like Jill Stanek helps to
understand the reason we have suffered from intransigence for so long.
Too many of the most committed people, and here, the pro-choice side is
not immune, feel that anything the opponent agrees to must be suspect.
Bloggers like Stanek, those speaking into the echo chamber, are
apparently so invested in continuing the fight that they won't budge.
One suspects their incalcitrance is based not just on morality, but
self-interest as well. If the vitriol isn't high enough they worry
their base might drift away.
Jill is the perfect example of the
unbending culture warrior. The one committed to fanning the flames of
the ethereal, abstract side of debate and belittling or ignoring the
common sense, brick and mortar proposals for problem solving. Jill is
no doubt a smart chick. Her posts are always engaging even for those of
the pro-choice persuasion like myself. If only she used her abilities
not to undermine
common ground efforts. Obama's common ground pledge (and my piece about
it) did not muster any interest in Jill in finding a solution. It did
inspire her to return for the billionth time to the well-worn
arguments. She writes,
"Cristina, the basic questions: Why care about reducing the need for abortion? What's wrong with it?"
I answered,
"Hi
Jill, nice to hear from you. I think it's the same reason to reduce
teen parenthood and to reduce the need to place a child for adoption.
If any woman in one of those circumstances were to be asked, "if you
could go back in time and avoid being in this predicament, would you?"
nearly all would say yes. I think we should reduce teen parenthood and
the need for adoption too. These are each often tremendously difficult
choices that ideally no woman should have to face. Adoption, abortion,
and parenthood are all the results of unintended pregnancy and I
believe women should have access to each of these options legally and
safely. But it's unintended pregnancy that's the real problem here.
That's what we need to work to avoid."Sorry to not give you the
"gotcha" moment you were looking for. For Huffpo readers, Jill Stanek
is a leader in the anti-abortion movement and probably the most popular
blogger on that side of the issue. Jill, here are my questions for you:
Why are you opposed to preventing unintended pregnancy and access to
contraception as one vehicle toward that end? Why do you pursue the
outlawing of abortion even though it has failed to reduce abortion
rates wherever it's been tried? Why not institute the policies that
result in the lowest abortion rates on earth? So what if it's the most
pro-choice countries that have the lowest abortion rates, aren't
"pro-life" results what you're after?"
She replied,
"Christina, seriously, thanks for the kind words on my credentials.But
you didn't answer me. You may consider my question a "gotcha," but it's
foundational. How can we devise solutions when we haven't defined the
problem? What exactly is the problem with abortion? Why is it "a
tremendously difficult choice[ ] that ideally no woman should have to
face"?"What is wrong with abortion? Is it or is it not morally
neutral or even superior, as new Cambridge Episcopal Divinity School
pro-abort President Rev. Katherine Hancock Ragsdale tagged it - "a
blessing" and "holy work"?"
I replied,
"Well,
actually, if you read what I wrote again, you'll see I was referring to
adoption and teen parenthood as "often tremendously difficult choices."
Sure, abortion can be a difficult choice for some women too (though or
some women it is accompanied by no grief, though, just relief) and
studies show that the more religious a woman is the harder struggle she
has with it. So possibly, it's the culture she's in that creates guilt
with her decision."Regardless, my point is that all choices
accompanying an unintended pregnancy can be (but aren't always)
difficult, but that's no reason to outlaw any of them. Based on your
logic, it's grief that is the measure of what the "right" decision is.
Then a woman who suffers grief after placing a child for adoption made
the wrong choice, an immoral choice, right? Why not ban adoption then?
Why not tell her that the reason she's feeling bad is because she made
the wrong decision, one that God does not condone? That would be a
terrible thing to do with women choosing adoption, and it's a terrible
thing to do to women choosing abortion too."I've attempted to
answer your question twice. You have not answered my questions even
once. Please do. Why can't we agree to try to help women avoid having
to make these decisions in the first place? Tell me Jill, honestly,
what do you think are the areas we can agree on? Because I think
there's a bunch."
In the end, Jill never once
attempts to answer any of my simple questions, which is typical. I've
noticed this tactic used often by those pro-lifers who work in the
movement. Whenever the discussion gets off ethereal principles and onto
the problem solving, they revert back to airy lectures. They continue
to want to talk about the morality of abortion and are desperate to
change the subject when it's about solving what they consider a moral
crisis. They're the ones who have a problem with abortion. Why is the
pro-choice camp the only side trying to come up with solutions, often
successfully, to their problem? President Bush didn't promise to
attempt to reduce abortion rates during his Presidency and, early
indicators suggest, he lived up to that disinterest. The decline in
abortion rates slowed during his administration, teen birth rates
spiked, and the economic nightmare he left us in seems to already be
causing an uptick in abortions. All that is traceable to Bush policies
and mismanagement.
Meanwhile, the dramatic declines in
abortion rates brought to us by President Clinton and the Obama
administration's promise to deliver the same results elicit sneers and
ire from the "pro-life" movement. (I put "pro-life" in quotes because
you can't really be pro-life if your actions create more of the
abortions you profess to hate.) Bill Clinton, if based on results
alone, was the most pro-life president we've ever had and the pro-life
movement hates him for it.
This is why the Obama team needs to
look past the old-guard culture warriors. People like Jill Stanek
approve of the rhetoric of the "culture of life" but are not interested
in reducing the need for abortion. She's seems more interested in
attracting eyeballs to her site. Looking for common ground solutions
from operatives like her is like turning to Michael Vick for
dog-training tips.
The common ground movement Obama is hoping
to advance will come about because of people who want real solutions,
whose livelihoods don't depend on the conflict continuing, people who
believe we deserve a better national dialogue and better leadership on
this issue. We've finally got an administration willing to moderate a
productive discussion. It's time to get the hecklers out of room, and
get on with the work.
Cristina Page
Cristina Page is a prominent reproductive rights activist and author of "How the Pro-Choice Movement Saved America: Freedom, Politics and the War on Sex" and spokesperson for birthcontrolwatch.org.
Last week, a leading "pro-life" blogger Jill Stanek made a cameo appearance in the comments section of a blog of mine, "The Call for Common Ground on Abortion,"
on Huffington Post. My post basically reported on, and offered
perspective about, a conference call the White house organized for
pro-life and pro-choice groups. It took the opportunity to announce the
administration's intent to explore common ground in the abortion
conflict. In my post, I pointed out that it's clear Obama's team wants
to make progress on an issue that has divided and damaged us as a
country for too long. They had explained the areas they hoped could
unite pro-choice and pro-life people: reducing unintended pregnancy,
including teen pregnancy, making adoption a more accessible choice for
women confronting unintended pregnancy, and supporting struggling
families with wanted pregnancies. They want to move forward, and have
set up a common sense framework to do so. It's hard to demean such
earnest intent.
But many veteran leaders in the "pro-life"
movement are immovably stuck in their positions. They appear deeply
invested in rehashing the same, seemingly eternal arguments, in
continuing what even to a staunch pro-choicer like myself seems like a
tedious fight. The natural inclination of rational Americans pining for
common ground, as most of both persuasions on the abortion issue are,
might be to zone out the heckling. But listening to this increasingly
out of the mainstream arguments by people like Jill Stanek helps to
understand the reason we have suffered from intransigence for so long.
Too many of the most committed people, and here, the pro-choice side is
not immune, feel that anything the opponent agrees to must be suspect.
Bloggers like Stanek, those speaking into the echo chamber, are
apparently so invested in continuing the fight that they won't budge.
One suspects their incalcitrance is based not just on morality, but
self-interest as well. If the vitriol isn't high enough they worry
their base might drift away.
Jill is the perfect example of the
unbending culture warrior. The one committed to fanning the flames of
the ethereal, abstract side of debate and belittling or ignoring the
common sense, brick and mortar proposals for problem solving. Jill is
no doubt a smart chick. Her posts are always engaging even for those of
the pro-choice persuasion like myself. If only she used her abilities
not to undermine
common ground efforts. Obama's common ground pledge (and my piece about
it) did not muster any interest in Jill in finding a solution. It did
inspire her to return for the billionth time to the well-worn
arguments. She writes,
"Cristina, the basic questions: Why care about reducing the need for abortion? What's wrong with it?"
I answered,
"Hi
Jill, nice to hear from you. I think it's the same reason to reduce
teen parenthood and to reduce the need to place a child for adoption.
If any woman in one of those circumstances were to be asked, "if you
could go back in time and avoid being in this predicament, would you?"
nearly all would say yes. I think we should reduce teen parenthood and
the need for adoption too. These are each often tremendously difficult
choices that ideally no woman should have to face. Adoption, abortion,
and parenthood are all the results of unintended pregnancy and I
believe women should have access to each of these options legally and
safely. But it's unintended pregnancy that's the real problem here.
That's what we need to work to avoid."Sorry to not give you the
"gotcha" moment you were looking for. For Huffpo readers, Jill Stanek
is a leader in the anti-abortion movement and probably the most popular
blogger on that side of the issue. Jill, here are my questions for you:
Why are you opposed to preventing unintended pregnancy and access to
contraception as one vehicle toward that end? Why do you pursue the
outlawing of abortion even though it has failed to reduce abortion
rates wherever it's been tried? Why not institute the policies that
result in the lowest abortion rates on earth? So what if it's the most
pro-choice countries that have the lowest abortion rates, aren't
"pro-life" results what you're after?"
She replied,
"Christina, seriously, thanks for the kind words on my credentials.But
you didn't answer me. You may consider my question a "gotcha," but it's
foundational. How can we devise solutions when we haven't defined the
problem? What exactly is the problem with abortion? Why is it "a
tremendously difficult choice[ ] that ideally no woman should have to
face"?"What is wrong with abortion? Is it or is it not morally
neutral or even superior, as new Cambridge Episcopal Divinity School
pro-abort President Rev. Katherine Hancock Ragsdale tagged it - "a
blessing" and "holy work"?"
I replied,
"Well,
actually, if you read what I wrote again, you'll see I was referring to
adoption and teen parenthood as "often tremendously difficult choices."
Sure, abortion can be a difficult choice for some women too (though or
some women it is accompanied by no grief, though, just relief) and
studies show that the more religious a woman is the harder struggle she
has with it. So possibly, it's the culture she's in that creates guilt
with her decision."Regardless, my point is that all choices
accompanying an unintended pregnancy can be (but aren't always)
difficult, but that's no reason to outlaw any of them. Based on your
logic, it's grief that is the measure of what the "right" decision is.
Then a woman who suffers grief after placing a child for adoption made
the wrong choice, an immoral choice, right? Why not ban adoption then?
Why not tell her that the reason she's feeling bad is because she made
the wrong decision, one that God does not condone? That would be a
terrible thing to do with women choosing adoption, and it's a terrible
thing to do to women choosing abortion too."I've attempted to
answer your question twice. You have not answered my questions even
once. Please do. Why can't we agree to try to help women avoid having
to make these decisions in the first place? Tell me Jill, honestly,
what do you think are the areas we can agree on? Because I think
there's a bunch."
In the end, Jill never once
attempts to answer any of my simple questions, which is typical. I've
noticed this tactic used often by those pro-lifers who work in the
movement. Whenever the discussion gets off ethereal principles and onto
the problem solving, they revert back to airy lectures. They continue
to want to talk about the morality of abortion and are desperate to
change the subject when it's about solving what they consider a moral
crisis. They're the ones who have a problem with abortion. Why is the
pro-choice camp the only side trying to come up with solutions, often
successfully, to their problem? President Bush didn't promise to
attempt to reduce abortion rates during his Presidency and, early
indicators suggest, he lived up to that disinterest. The decline in
abortion rates slowed during his administration, teen birth rates
spiked, and the economic nightmare he left us in seems to already be
causing an uptick in abortions. All that is traceable to Bush policies
and mismanagement.
Meanwhile, the dramatic declines in
abortion rates brought to us by President Clinton and the Obama
administration's promise to deliver the same results elicit sneers and
ire from the "pro-life" movement. (I put "pro-life" in quotes because
you can't really be pro-life if your actions create more of the
abortions you profess to hate.) Bill Clinton, if based on results
alone, was the most pro-life president we've ever had and the pro-life
movement hates him for it.
This is why the Obama team needs to
look past the old-guard culture warriors. People like Jill Stanek
approve of the rhetoric of the "culture of life" but are not interested
in reducing the need for abortion. She's seems more interested in
attracting eyeballs to her site. Looking for common ground solutions
from operatives like her is like turning to Michael Vick for
dog-training tips.
The common ground movement Obama is hoping
to advance will come about because of people who want real solutions,
whose livelihoods don't depend on the conflict continuing, people who
believe we deserve a better national dialogue and better leadership on
this issue. We've finally got an administration willing to moderate a
productive discussion. It's time to get the hecklers out of room, and
get on with the work.
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