Ben Cohen, one half of Ben & Jerry's, is recalling the time he got in trouble with the bosses at Unilever, which bought the ice-cream maker in 2000.
had just taken a stake in Innocent drinks, a small British maker of
smoothies with a reputation for being a socially responsible business.
A British reporter called to get Cohen's opinion. He, after all, had a
similar experience. Ben & Jerry's,
which had been founded in the liberal US state of Vermont in the 1970s,
was the prototype hippy business-with-a-conscience, promoting liberal
causes on the lids of its tubs, giving a percentage of its profits to
charity and having a rule that no executive would earn more than five
times the lowest-paid worker. Unilever, by contrast, could be a synonym
for the faceless multinational, bestriding the globe, selling
detergents and cleaning products.
"So the BBC called me up and
said 'you have been in a somewhat similar situation; you were a
socially responsible little business, you got bought by some big giant,
you know, what do you think?'" he recalls.
"I said, 'you know, it
doesn't sound good to me' ... I think that if you get bought by a company
that doesn't really share the same values, it is hard to have your
values continue and then I suggested ..." he says, starting to laugh,
"that it would be good for Unilever to abide by their agreements - and
they didn't like that." The laughs get louder.
"You know," adds
Jerry Greenfield, his co-founder in the business, "we have these annual
franchise meetings every year, so it's a gathering in January, we have
all the franchise shops of Ben & Jerry's around the world and the
head of the franchise department always tries to sit down with Ben and
me before the meeting, to find out what Ben is going to talk about. And
he never tells him, because he doesn't know till like 10 minutes before
anyway, but their people are always a little nervous, always a little
on edge about what Ben is going to talk about."
The pair, raised
on Long Island, New York, and both 59, were in London to promote the
announcement that Ben & Jerry's planned to take all the ingredients
in its ice cream from Fairtrade sources by 2013. Walking into the room
to meet them, they bellow their names in turn "Ben", "Jerry", and offer
a firm handshake, as though they long ago dispensed with the need of a
Both wear their liberal views on their sleeves. But on
the evidence of an hour-long meeting, Greenfield is the more emollient;
Cohen, the sharper-edged, less predictable of the two, swallowing
half-sneers and chuckles of disbelief as he touches on subjects ranging
from the US military budget to Wal-Mart and the relationship with
Unilever, which he describes as a "forced marriage".
since school, they sound like an old married couple, finishing each
other's sentences, constantly referring to the other by name and making
each other laugh; deep sonorous, belly laughs. The pair stood back from
day-to-day running of the firm years ago. Greenfield describes their
role as akin to limbo. "We are employees. We have no responsibilities
at the company and no authority," he says, with some authority. But
they still act as spokesmen when the company does something they
approve of, such as the move to Fairtrade, with Unilever doubtless
realising the maverick pair can still generate column inches.
wonder, given his remarks about Innocent, whether Cohen would accuse
Unilever of "greenwash" - using Ben & Jerry's as a socially
responsible fig leaf.
Greenfield says not. "But on the other
hand," says Cohen, not quite able, or apparently willing, to stop
himself, "Unilever quite likes to hold up Ben & Jerry's as kind of
the poster child of socially responsible business and does use that to
try to give an example of 'here is how socially concerned Unilever is,
you know, we have the Ben & Jerry's brand'. And you know Ben and
Jerry's does happen to be very high profile but when Unilever holds up
Ben & Jerry's as 'our example of how socially responsible we are',
you know, we should understand that Unilever is what? - a $40bn-$50bn
business and we're a little piece of that." So it is greenwash? "Yeah,
Even so, Cohen says he is more convinced than ever that
business can be a force for good. "If there is any hope for our
countries and society in general, it is through business. Business has
risen to this level of the most powerful force in society. I mean it
used to be that the most powerful forces in society were religion and
then nation states and the purpose of those two entities was to support
the common good, and maybe they didn't do everything exactly right, but
now those two are subservient to business."
Greenfield says that
trust in corporations "is pretty darn low" at the moment, but suggests
that is a good thing. "Well, along with trust in the government," adds
Cohen. "And you do know the entity that people most trust in the US?"
The church? "The Pentagon," he says, with another big laugh.
spends much of his time on the company's charitable foundation; Cohen
on his mission to shift money out of the Pentagon (he is currently
making a documentary on this). Cohen almost expresses surprise that Ben
& Jerry's has managed to maintain its progressive identity. "The
company took a major stand on the issue of gay marriage. It renamed its
Chubby Hubby flavour to Hubby Hubby and people loved it. Sure, some
people hated it. But our consumers loved it. And it is interesting that
Unilever itself is very gay friendly."
"Yeah, that's been sort of
an unusual thing," Greenfield adds. "We came out with this flavour
American Pie [which had a pie chart showing how much taxpayers' money
is spent on defence], and we weren't involved in any of those
conversations, but I don't think there is a lot of pushback on that
Cohen describes the move to Fairtrade as
"certainly the best thing that Ben & Jerry's has ever done since
the acquisition. I think it is the harbinger that the day of
first-world corporations making huge profits off the exploitation of
the third world is over.
"I mean it was even our president George
Bush," he says with a big laugh, "who said that poverty is the breeding
ground of terrorism. I mean if you are not going to treat the world
justly, you are not going to have peace."
Then he adds: "Well, it
would certainly be a lot better for the world and a much stronger
statement if Unilever said everything we sell, all $40bn a year, is now
going to be fair trade, but Ben & Jerry's was never Unilever, and you know, I never had any illusions."
pair say chose Britain to launch the Fairtrade initiative partly
because Europe has gone further in adopting the idea. The old world,
Cohen says, "is a lot more civilised, as evidenced by things like how
advanced Fairtrade is here and how behind the US is. The US excels at
maximising profits and exporting weapons."
drifts to politics. Cohen is disappointed with President Barack Obama.
"Obama was dealt an incredibly bad hand. But the continued absurdity of
thinking you can defeat terrorism by having a global war without end
and bombing and killing populations continues to be misguided,"
"So wasn't that the most amazing thing? Not
George Bush being in office, but how he got re-elected? Was that a
shock? Man, how discouraging was that as an American."
what they think of Sarah Palin, and the room erupts into laughter.
Greenfield yells in the din: "Weird country, isn't it?"
Cream of the crop
Cohen and Jerry Greenfield became friends because they were "the two
slowest, fattest kids in the gym class", according to their official
They remained close through college, Greenfield
working as a lab technician and Cohen training in art therapy. But when
they were 27 they decided to set up their own company. The first idea
was a bagel business but the equipment needed cost $40,000, so instead
they took a $5 correspondence course on how to make ice cream.
first shop was at a disused petrol station in Burlington, Vermont, and
became so successful the pair decided to sell up, fearing they were in
danger of becoming the type of capitalists they abhorred. "The idea of
becoming real businesspeople had negative connotations," they say in
the book. Greenfield went to Arizona and Cohen put the shop up for sale.
Cohen then met an eccentric 80-year-old artist and restaurateur who
suggested that they could create a business that was a force for
Today, there are 58 flavours for sale in 26
countries. Known as much for an affection for bad puns as their liberal
views, flavours include Jamaican Me Crazy, Cherry Garcia and Phish Food.