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A Contrarian Optimist View of the Upcoming Iran Nuclear Talks
When President Obama nominated global health superhero Dr. Jim Young Kim to lead the World Bank, Harvard development economist Dani Rodrik remarked, "It's nice to see that Obama can still surprise us."
In this 2007 photo, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaks at a ceremony in Iran's nuclear enrichment facility in Natanz. (Photo: Hasan Sarbakhshian, AP)
Is it possible that Obama could pleasantly surprise us in the upcoming talks with Iran over its nuclear program? Much of the media coverage would suggest otherwise.
Nonetheless, there are actually quite a few positive signs that we can point to:
1. There have been no reported major explosions in Iran or assassinations of Iranian scientists recently, as have seemed to occur in the run-up to previous talks. This could be a sign that U.S. pressure on Israel and the Iranian MEK terrorist group is working to keep things quiet on that front. There is some evidence that this might be the case.
2. No-one appears to be talking about Israel much at all. Israeli officials appear to be keeping a relatively low profile, and Israeli Defense Minister Barak recently put forward a proposed list of Western demands that is at least on the planet of plausibility - in particular, Barak made no demand that Iran cease enriching uranium.
3. Thanks in no small part to the leadership of Senate Majority Leader Reid, Congress has also been relatively quiet. And this week Congress is out of session.
4. No-one is talking about pre-conditions for the talks, except for an expectation that the talks be serious.
5. Nobody is talking about lifting all Western sanctions on Iran. Just as ending all uranium enrichment in Iran is a non-starter for Iran, so ending all Western sanctions on Iran is a non-starter for the West. The horizon that we can see right now is an intermediate deal that addresses the most pressing concerns on each side. Since it's an interim deal is not going to address all the concerns of one side, it's not going to address all the concerns of the other side.
The impending tightening of the oil sanctions is widely perceived as a real threat to Iran (as well as to the world economy.) Just as Iran has proved that it is willing to endure significant pain in the form of sanctions to keep its nuclear program, so the West has proved that it's willing to endure pain in the form of significantly higher oil prices in order to increase pressure on Iran. Regardless of whether arriving to this point was the result of the wisest possible course, at least we can now say that each side has had the opportunity to publicly stick its hand into the fire.
6. None of the demands that the U.S. has put forward ahead of the talks would represent humiliations for Iran, with the arguable exception of the last minute demand to close the Fordow enrichment facility, which I explore further below. In particular, the demand that Iran cease all enrichment of uranium has largely disappeared from view. The U.S. has signaled ahead of the talks that its dealbreaker bottom line is that Iran stop adding to its stockpile of 20% enriched uranium, on the grounds that 20% is too close to nuclear weapons grade, and thus the further accumulation of a stockpile of 20% enriched uranium makes the gap between Iran and the immediate ability to produce a nuclear weapon too small for comfort. This is a plausible concern not just from a nonproliferation of nuclear weapons point of view, but also from a nonproliferation of conventional warfare point of view.
For better and for worse, the U.S. has clearly put out that a decision by Iran to produce a nuclear weapon is the U.S. "red line" - that is, an evidenced-based U.S. belief that Iran had made such a decision would trigger the U.S. use of military force. On the downside: this threat is a flagrant violation of the UN Charter; nothing in international law gives the US the unilateral right to use or threaten force against Iran if Iran were to decide to produce a nuclear weapon; furthermore, laying down the explicit threat could have the effect of locking the U.S. into using military force if Iran clearly made such a decision. On the upside: if this is the underlying U.S. policy, it's far better for everyone to know this in advance; it's a million times better than having a fuzzy - and much closer - "red line" like "nuclear weapons capability" as Sens. Lieberman, Graham, and McCain would like; and the Iranians have said clearly and repeatedly that they have no intention of trying to produce a nuclear weapon ever, therefore so long as these remain the bottom line U.S. and Iranian positions, then we can have peace between the U.S. and Iran forever. Given that a decision by Iran to produce a nuclear weapon is the U.S. red line, it's in the broad interests of humanity to have a big grassy field that everyone can see between Iran and the immediate ability to produce a nuclear weapon.
Of course, there are a lot of big grassy fields that one can imagine. The UN Security Council could issue a fatwa that from now on, no-one in Iran is allowed to study physics. But big grassy fields that can't be achieved don't do us any good. The consensus of reasonable expert opinion is that barring Iran from enriching uranium is a big grassy field that cannot realistically be achieved. But an Iranian agreement to cease enrichment of uranium to 20% and/or to address concerns about its 20% stockpile - that is a different story.
7. What's the ultimate evidence that the demand to stop stockpiling 20% enriched uranium is plausible? Iranian officials have clearly indicated that they agree that it is a plausible thing to talk about. The Washington Post reports:
In a signal that Iran is willing to negotiate over its stockpile of 20 percent enriched uranium, the head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, Fereydoon Abbasi, said Sunday that his country was considering a stop to the activity and [lowering] the enrichment levels.
"We do not produce more 20 percent fuel than we need," Abbasi told the Iranian Students' News Agency. He said it was easy to change the centrifuges now enriching uranium up to 20 percent and use them for making nuclear fuel up to 3.5 percent enriched. "Our systems are capable of making this change," Abbasi said.
AP reports:
Abbasi said production of uranium enriched up to 20 percent is not part of the nation's long-term program - beyond amounts needed for its research reactor in Tehran - and insisted that Iran "doesn't need" to enrich beyond the 20 percent levels.
"The job is being carried out based on need," he said. "When the need is met, we will decrease production and it is even possible to completely reverse to only 3.5 percent" enrichment levels.
None of this guarantees that there will be a deal. But at least on the core U.S. demand, U.S. and Iranian officials are playing on the same ballfield.
8. Now, what about that last minute demand that Iran shut down and eventually dismantle its underground enrichment facility at Fordow? Stephen Walt finds the demand alarming and questions whether it means that the U.S. isn't serious about a negotiated solution. Walt's concern is sensible, but here is the contrarian optimist view.
a. As the New York Times notes, "opening bids in international negotiations are often designed to set a high bar." If the talks fail, the U.S. can say it took a hard line. If the Iranians agree to a reasonable deal that addresses the 20% enrichment and stockpiling issues, the Fordow demand can be deferred indefinitely. Indeed, if the U.S. drops the Fordow demand in the context of a deal, this could help Iranian officials sell the deal to the Iranian public. "See," they can say, "we gave up 20% enrichment, but we stood firm against the running dog imperialists when they demanded that we close Fordow."
b. The question of Fordow is deeply entangled with the 20% enrichment issue. A significant component of why Fordow is considered provocative by the West is because 20% enrichment is happening there. If 20% enrichment stops and/or Iran agrees to a reasonable deal to address the issue of its 20% enrichment stockpile, then Fordow is less of an issue.
c. The question of Fordow is also deeply entangled with the threat of an Israeli or U.S. military strike. The Israelis find Fordow particularly annoying because it would be especially hard for Israel to bomb it.
On the one hand, it's easy to see why the Iranians would see the expression of this concern in negotiations to be quite annoying. There is no international law or agreement that says you have to make your nuclear facilities available for easy bombing (indeed, even the threat to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities is a flagrant violation of the UN Charter.)
On the other hand, at the end of the day, all these issues are entangled; tunnels aren't the only way, and at the end of the day they are not the best way, for Iran to deter an Israeli or U.S. strike. There are four reasons for Iran to have a nuclear program, stated and not-so-stated: energy, medical isotopes, national prestige, and deterring a U.S. or Israeli attack. At the end of the day, all four of these Iranian national goals can be achieved without the operation of the facility at Fordow; and in the context of a deal that addresses the other pressing concerns of both sides, Fordow will be less of an issue to both sides.
In particular, a perverse benefit of all the warmongering against Iran is that every time U.S. officials counter the warmongering by saying that a military strike against Iran would be counterproductive because it would drive the Iranians towards nuclear weaponization, it underscores the fact that Iran derives important national security benefits from enrichment without ever needing to crack a textbook on weaponization, nor enrich to 20%, nor build a deeper tunnel. If I'm an official in Iran's enrichment program, every time a U.S. official says that a military strike on Iran's nuclear program would be counterproductive to U.S. interests, I get a little bit more convinced that I'm never going to need to try to build a nuclear weapon to protect my country from military attack.
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Show AllI think there is a good chance that something will get agreed. Iran has more to win from slowing their program than from the risks of keeping it going at this pace. If the goal is peaceful nuclear reactors, then they are certainly within reach of getting enough enriched U on their own and if Brazil and Turkey broker the same plan they did earlier, then Iran could get it from outside sources which would make everyone more comfortable. Iran proved they can do it themselves, now they can prove that they don't need to do it themselves.
In any event, I hope all sides walk away with a little less urge to fight about it.
Sometimes rationality wins. Hey, it could happen. Or, you know, we could put the republicans in charge.
The trouble with this analysis is that it assumes the issues are what the spokespeople say they are--that the threat of war with Iran is based on the fear that they will devlop a nuclear weapon and use it to threaten or attack Israel and/or the United States. That's as real as saying the US attacked Iraq because A-it had weapons of mass destruction B-Saddam Hussein was Hitler/Satan C--the US had an overwhelming need to spread democracy to the Middle East. It proved useless for weapons inspectors to prove there were no WMDs. The real issues were A--Iraq had a lot of oil and was selling it to companies not headquartered in the US, B--in currencies other than the dollar and C-Hussein had stopped taking orders from the CIA. Seems to me the threat of war can best be averted by talking about the real issues, not the ostensible ones. How can anyone take seriously the outrage of US and Israeli leaders about the mere possibility of Iran creating a nuke or two, when many countries have them, Israel has 200 and does not submit to the IAEA, and the US has at least 7000, is developing more, and is the only country to have actually used them? What are the real issues here? Apparently, that possession of a nuke would reinforce Iran as a regional power and check Israeli aggressions; probably that Iran has oil it's selling in denominations other than the dollar, and its government doesn't take orders from the CIA. Then there are the generic universal reasons for war, involving feeding the military industrial complex and reaping the public opinion surge that follows the onset of a new war, and the extra permission for further encroachment on civil liberties because "we are at war."
Will the talks address any of this?
Well said.
Agree, Naiman's article is based on his naive belief that the US/Israel actually believes their own propaganda that Iran is a nuclear weapons threat. That propaganda is for public consumption to support the US/Israel policy towards Iran. It makes me wonder if Naiman believed the US actually thought Iraq had WMD's before the invasion.
Selling oil in dollars means virtually nothing. The pound, yen, the renminbi don't need that kind of 'support' and neither does the dollar. If Iran gets a couple of nuclear bombs we can no longer even consider a ground attack. Iran is crazy if they do not get a couple of nuclear weapons.
Robert Naiman's feel-good optimism glosses over the real U.S./Israeli motives in the campaign against Iran, which is regime change. During the Bush years, the neo-con mantra was "after Baghdad, real men invade Tehran" -- under Obama, whose neo-con leanings are more and more apparent, this hasn't changed. It's just that a new war (added to at least six) would be very inconvenient in an election year for the Nobel Peace Laureate Commander-in-Chief... Wait till after the election; then all hell breaks loose, betcha!
"Just as Iran has proved that it is willing to endure significant pain in the form of sanctions to keep its nuclear program, so the West has proved that it's willing to endure pain in the form of significantly higher oil prices in order to increase pressure on Iran. "
The US cares about the price of oil and payments in dollars, not about Iran's little nuclear program. Iran has finished its end of the Pakistan pipeline and the US fears that other countries like China and Japan will buy Iranian oil in non-US dollars.
As to the US enduring the pain of higher oil prices, that pain hits only the 99%, the 1% profit with each rise in the price of oil.
It's funny how many think that payment in dollars is so important. Look at all the other currencies in the world that are not as ubiquitous as the dollar. There's virtually no difference in the inherent value of the currency. It would be so helpful to us all if everyone made a real effort to learn at least a bit about economics and macro especially. The US gets no 'power' from the reserve status of the dollar. The US gets power from its military might and its status as a major economic player.
Of course Israel is the pusher of war with Iran but is backing off some after Obama told them to stand down.
Iran could make a deal and it looks like it would be a victory for Iran and put the pressure on Israel for not allowing UN inspectors of their Nuke program.
Also US intel has outed ISRAEL AS BEHIND THE ASSASSINATIONS which Israel is proud of.
The one important thing behind the pressure for a deal and not mentioned here is the warnings of other nuclear weapons powers like China, Russia, Pakistan and India to not bomb Iran and this really is the key.
Iran will never surrender and If Israel does it alone which it has threatened it will be the end of Israel as we know it since they are not loved by many and know it... so I conclude they are probably bluffing but could be insane enough to do it.
"Optimist", indeed. I wish I had some of it.
If it appears too-good-to-be-true, it probably is.
Look at your dollar bill-it has a pyramid with an eye on top. That eye is the Elite watching us peons fight these wars. They don't send their sons and daughters to fight, only us.The United States goal, along with Israel, and Britain, is to surround the poor countries of the middle east and take their resources and kill anyone who gets in their way.We still in Iraq, Afghanistan, Uganda, Libya, Yemen and Somalia (because murder-by-drone doesn’t count as war) , and Unofficial-with Pakistan and SOON IRAN AND SYRIA.
Henry Kissinger said" MILITARY MEN ARE DUMB STUPID ANIMALS TO BE USED AS PAWNS IN FOREIGN AFFAIRS". He is an elitist,and so are Obama, Hillary Clinton, all the Bush family, and others, and this is very destructive to our Democracy and society. He is a member of the secret Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Affairs and makes policy decisions for us-when it comes to wars.
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Truth Hurts Lies Kill. Real Truth Behind the Phony Wars by Dr Dahlia Wasfi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7VeWRrhEsk&feature=relmfu
*Parts of her awesome and truthful speech*
"All of this carnage has been done in our name. Since WWII 90% of the casualties have of war are unarmed civilians , a third of them children. They don't hate us because of of our freedoms, they hate us because every day we are funding and committing crimes against humanity. The so called "War on Terror " is a cover for our military aggression to gain control of resources of Western Asia.This is sending the poor of this country to kill the poor of those Muslim countries and to most of the world, we are the terrorists. The civilians at the other end of our weapons don't have a choice, but American soldiers have a choices, Our soldiers don't sacrifice for duty, honor, country, They sacrifice for Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) . They don't fight for America ,they fight for their lives and their buddies beside them because we put them in a war zone. They are not defending our freedoms. They are laying the foundation for 14 permanent military bases to defend the freedoms of Exxon Mobil and British Petroleum. They are not establishing Democracy, they are establishing the bases for an economic occupation to continue after the military occupation has ended. Iraqi society today,thanks to American HELP--is defined by house raids, death squads, check points, detentions curfews, and blood in the streets, and constant violence. We must dare to speak out in support of those American war resisters , the real military heroes, who uphold their oath to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic including those terrorist cells in Washington DC more commonly known as the Legislative, Executive and Judicial branches. Everyone of us must keep demanding ,keep fighting, keep thundering, keep struggling -until peace is served. No Justice-No Peace".
We need to publish what Kissinger has said and maybe, just maybe, our military men will put down their "weapons of mass destruction" and see the light. If you know of any American soldier who is fighting these illegal occupations, please share this with them. Please, for humanity.
I agree with everything you said ddills.
Mr. Naiman posts his magical thinking pieces and they appear in the magical thinking "progressive" universe.
The 1% have trained the 99% to worship the troops and to equate capitalism with patriotism, and they have numbed Amerikans with opiates provided by the pharmaceuticals (over 60 tons of oxycodone, or hillbilly heroin) as well as many more tons of other mind numbing drugs like the SSRIs, anti-psychotics, lesser opiates like vicodin (a combination of acetaminophen and hydrocodone, a group of drugs called opioid pain relievers). And they sell the 99% alcohol, coke, heroin, pot, MMDA (ecstasy), and a zillion other mind altering substances.
Fuck the troops. Kissinger proves that the entire theory of karma means nothing.