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I spent four hours in a third-floor conference room at 86 Chambers St. in Manhattan on Friday as I underwent a government deposition. Benjamin H. Torrance, an assistant U.S. attorney, carried out the questioning as part of the government’s effort to decide whether it will challenge my standing as a plaintiff in the lawsuit I have brought with others against President Barack Obama and Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta over the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), also known as the Homeland Battlefield Bill.
The NDAA implodes our most cherished constitutional protections. It permits the military to function on U.S. soil as a civilian law enforcement agency. It authorizes the executive branch to order the military to selectively suspend due process and habeas corpus for citizens. The law can be used to detain people deemed threats to national security, including dissidents whose rights were once protected under the First Amendment, and hold them until what is termed “the end of the hostilities.” Even the name itself—the Homeland Battlefield Bill—suggests the totalitarian concept that endless war has to be waged within “the homeland” against internal enemies as well as foreign enemies.
Judge Katherine B. Forrest, in a session starting at 9 a.m. Thursday in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, will determine if I have standing and if the case can go forward. The attorneys handling my case, Bruce Afran and Carl Mayer, will ask, if I am granted standing, for a temporary injunction against the Homeland Battlefield Bill. An injunction would, in effect, nullify the law and set into motion a fierce duel between two very unequal adversaries—on the one hand, the U.S. government and, on the other, myself, Noam Chomsky, Daniel Ellsberg, the Icelandic parliamentarian Birgitta Jónsdóttir and three other activists and journalists. All have joined me as plaintiffs and begun to mobilize resistance to the law through groups such as Stop NDAA.
The deposition was, as these things go, conducted civilly. Afran and Mayer, the attorneys bringing the suit on my behalf, were present. I was asked detailed questions by Torrance about my interpretation of Section 1021 and Section 1022 of the NDAA. I was asked about my relationships and contacts with groups on the U.S. State Department terrorism list. I was asked about my specific conflicts with the U.S. government when I was a foreign correspondent, a period in which I reported from El Salvador, Nicaragua, the Middle East, the Balkans and other places. And I was asked how the NDAA law had impeded my work.
It is in conference rooms like this one, where attorneys speak in the arcane and formal language of legal statutes, that we lose or save our civil liberties. The 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force Act, the employment of the Espionage Act by the Obama White House against six suspected whistle-blowers and leakers, and the Homeland Battlefield Bill have crippled the work of investigative reporters in every major newsroom in the country. Government sources that once provided information to counter official narratives and lies have largely severed contact with the press. They are acutely aware that there is no longer any legal protection for those who dissent or who expose the crimes of state. The NDAA threw in a new and dangerous component that permits the government not only to silence journalists but imprison them and deny them due process because they “substantially supported” terrorist groups or “associated forces.”
Those of us who reach out to groups opposed to the U.S. in order to explain them to the American public will not be differentiated from terrorists under this law. I know how vicious the government can be when it feels challenged by the press. I covered the wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua from 1983 to 1988. Press members who reported on the massacres and atrocities committed by the Salvadoran military, as well as atrocities committed by the U.S.-backed Contra forces in Nicaragua, were repeatedly denounced by senior officials in the Reagan administration as fellow travelers and supporters of El Salvador’s Farabundo Marti National Liberation (FMLN) rebels or the leftist Sandinista government in Managua, Nicaragua.
The Reagan White House, in one example, set up an internal program to distort information and intimidate and attack those of us in the region who wrote articles that countered the official narrative. The program was called “public diplomacy.” Walter Raymond Jr., a veteran CIA propagandist, ran it. The goal of the program was to manage “perceptions” about the wars in Central America among the public. That management included aggressive efforts to destroy the careers of reporters who were not compliant by branding them as communists or communist sympathizers. If the power to lock us up indefinitely without legal representation had been in the hands of Elliott Abrams or Oliver North or Raymond, he surely would have used it.
Little has changed. On returning not long after 9/11 from a speaking engagement in Italy I was refused entry into the United States by customs officials at the Newark, N.J., airport. I was escorted to a room filled with foreign nationals. I was told to wait. A supervisor came into the room an hour later. He leaned over the shoulder of the official seated at a computer in front of me. He said to this official: “He is on a watch. Tell him he can go.” When I asked for further information I was told no one was authorized to speak to me. I was handed my passport and told to leave the airport.
Glenn Greenwald, the columnist and constitutional lawyer, has done the most detailed analysis of the NDAA bill. He has pointed out that the crucial phrases are “substantially supported” and “associated forces.” These two phrases, he writes, allow the government to expand the definition of terrorism to include groups that were not involved in the 9/11 attacks and may not have existed when those attacks took place.
It is worth reading Sections 1021 and 1022 of the bill. Section 1021 of the NDAA “includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.” Subsection B defines covered persons like this: “(b) Covered Persons—A covered person under this section is any person as follows: (1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks. (2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or its coalition partners.” Section 1022, Subsection C, goes on to declare that covered persons are subject to: “(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.” And Section 1022, Subsection A, Item 4, allows the president to waive the requirement of legal evidence in order to condemn a person as an enemy of the state if that is believed to be in the “national security interests of the United States.”
The law can be used to detain individuals who are not members of terrorist organizations but have provided, in the words of the bill, substantial support even to “associated forces.” But what constitutes substantial? What constitutes support? What are these “associated forces”? What is defined under this law as an act of terror? What are the specific activities of those purportedly “engaged in hostilities against the United States”? None of this is answered. And this is why, especially as acts of civil disobedience proliferate, the NDAA law is so terrifying. It can be used by the military to seize and detain citizens and deny legal recourse to anyone who defies the corporate state.
Torrance’s questions to me about incidents that occurred during my reporting were typified by this back and forth, which I recorded:
Torrance: In paragraph eight of your declaration you refer to the type of journalism we have just been discussing, which conveyed opinions, programs and ideas as being brought within the scope of Section 1021’s provision defining a covered people as one who has substantially supported or directly supported the acts and activities of such individuals or organizations and allies of associated forces. Why do you believe journalistic activity could be brought within that statute?
Hedges: Because anytime a journalist writes and reports in a way that challenges the official government narrative they come under fierce attack.
Torrance: What kind of attack do they come under?
Hedges: It is a range. First of all, the propaganda attempts to discredit the reporting. It would be an attempt to discredit the individual reporter. It would be a refusal to intercede when allied governments physically detain and expel the reporter because of reporting that both that allied government and the United States did not want. And any foreign correspondent that is any good through their whole career has endured all of this.
Torrance: Remind me, the phrase you used that you believed would trigger that was “coverage disfavorable to the United States”?
Hedges: I didn’t say that.
Torrance: Remind me of the phrase.
Hedges: I said it was coverage that challenged the official narrative.
Torrance: Have you ever been detained by the United States government?
Hedges: Yes.
Torrance: When and where?
Hedges: The First Gulf War.
Torrance: What were the circumstances of that?
Hedges: I was reporting outside of the pool system.
Torrance: How did that come about that you were detained?
Hedges: I was discovered by military police without an escort.
Torrance: And they took you into custody?
Hedges: Yes.
Torrance: For how long?
Hedges: Not a long time. They seized my press credentials and they called Dhahran, which is where the sort of central operations were, and I was told that within a specified time—and I don’t remember what that time was—I had to report to the authorities in Dhahran.
Torrance: Where is Dhahran?
Hedges: Saudi Arabia.
Torrance: And that was a U.S. military headquarters of some sort?
Hedges: Well, it was the press operations run by the U.S. Army.
Torrance: And what was the asserted basis for detaining you?
Hedges: That I had been reporting without an escort.
Torrance: And was that a violation of some law or regulation that you know of?
Afran: Note, object to form. Laws and regulations are two different things.
Hedges: Not in my view. …
Torrance: Did the people who detained you specify any law or regulation that in their view you violated?
Hedges: Let me preface that by saying that as a foreign correspondent with a valid journalistic visa, which I had, in a country like Saudi Arabia, the United States does not have the authority to detain me or tell me what I can report on. They attempted to do that, but neither I [nor] The New York Times [my employer at the time] recognized their authority.
Torrance: When you obtained that journalistic visa did you agree to any conditions on what you would do or where you would be permitted to go?
Hedges: From the Saudis?
Torrance: The visa was issued by the Saudi government?
Hedges: Of course, I need a visa from the Saudi government to get into Saudi.
Torrance: Did you agree to any such conditions?
Hedges: No. Not with the Saudis.
Torrance: Were there any other journalists of which you were aware who [were] reporting outside of the pool system?
Hedges: Yes.
Torrance: Were they also detained, to your knowledge?
Hedges: Yes.
The politeness of the exchanges, the small courtesies extended when we needed a break, the idle asides that took place during the brief recesses, masked the deadly seriousness of the proceeding. If there is no rolling back of the NDAA law we cease to be a constitutional democracy.
Totalitarian systems always begin by rewriting the law. They make legal what was once illegal. Crimes become patriotic acts. The defense of freedom and truth becomes a crime. Foreign and domestic subjugation merges into the same brutal mechanism. Citizens are colonized. And it is always done in the name of national security. We obey the new laws as we obeyed the old laws, as if there was no difference. And we spend our energy and our lives appealing to a dead system.
Franz Kafka understood the totalitarian misuse of law, the ability by the state to make law serve injustice and yet be held up as the impartial arbiter of good and evil. In his stories “The Trial” and “The Castle” Kafka presents pathetic supplicants before the law who are passed from one doorkeeper, administrator or clerk to the next in an endless and futile quest for justice. In the parable “Before the Law” the supplicant dies before even being permitted to enter the halls of justice. In Kafka’s dystopian vision, the law is the mechanism by which injustice and tyranny are perpetuated. A bureaucratic legal system uses the language of justice to defend injustice. The cowed populations in tyrannies become for Kafka so broken, desperate and passive that they are finally complicit in their own enslavement. The central character in “The Trial,” known as Josef K, offers little resistance at the end of the story when two men arrive to oversee his execution. Josef K. leads them to a quarry where he is expected to kill himself. He cannot. The men do it for him. His last words are: “Like a dog!”
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Show AllMany thanks for your patriotic work, Mr. Hedges. You are one of the few who might make one proud to be an American citizen these days. On returning home from overseas yesterday, passing through security and immigration, I knew I was not a citizen, I was a suspect. This fascistic authoritarian virus is spreading daily.
Tony Vodvarka
Never stoop to being proud of being an American citizen. It reduces our expansive and universal humanity to fit within the narrowness of national identity.
Be proud, instead, of being a world citizen and an American dissident.
Quibbler
It is also puzzling why Robert Riversong would be so proud of being an American given the fact that the United States is slaughtering numerous innocent people overseas, can illegally spy on its citizens and is the only industrialized country on the face of the earth without universal health care.
"Never stoop to being proud of being an American citizen. It reduces our expansive and universal humanity to fit within the narrowness of national identity." (Robert Riversong)
Errol,
I don't believe Robert was describing anything resembling national pride. He said, "never stoop" ...etc.
Thomas Gilbert-
"Never stoop to being proud of being an American citizen."
Why should you be proud about which country you live in? There's nothing to be proud for about being an American.
In the immortal words of one-time Bush press secretary, Ari Fleischer, "Americans need to watch what they say." This country is turning into a fascist totalitarian police state. It IS "happening here."
Wrong verb tense. You meant the past tense as in 'has tirned into a fascist totalitarian police state', 'It HAS happened here'.
Thanks, Chris - too few of you true patriots left these days. We are becoming a totalitarian state so quickly now that it is almost dizzying, the constant slew of new "laws" and executive orders that are quickly wiping out what is left of our civil liberties and freedoms under the Constitution. And scarier still: how apathetic and passive the Amereichan sheeple are as it occurs. Far too many of them will become Good Germans in the fascist USA that is being constructed. Watch what you say, and to whom.
And to you Obama-bots and Dem-diehards: you are to blame. These draconian, fascist laws that have been enacted, like the NDAA, and Presidential Killings, are being done by your golden "lesser evil" boy and almost total Dem support in the Congress. You make me sick.
"These people are beginning to remind me of McCarthy."
That's the picture that came to my mind while reading this.
If you want to read a very scary article on just how authoritarian we have become on Obama's watch, read this article at Wired Magazine:
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/
If you aren't completely shocked and horrified after reading it, you need to check your pulse.
Damnliberal: don't bother reading it. It would just force you into further denial about your culpability.
Go ahead. Elect another George W.!
You already did in 2008, and will do so again in November. Worse, actually. Even George W. didn't claim he had the right to murder anyone on the planet on his say-so alone. Took a Democrat to do that.
Arguing with damnliberal is a futile endeavor. He can not possible understand that there is very little difference between the two corporate parties. ALL someone like damnliberal cares about is that the Blue Team beats the Red Team in the national circus known as presidential elections.
You are right. I couldn't resist...
Right on the nose, Demonstorm, exactly!
Don't fall for the good cop/bad cop act.
damnliberal
D'oh!
If you voted for Barack Oboombox, then you did elect aother George W. and then some -- only worse! -- haven't you noticed? Where the hell have you been?
Obama even wears a replica of that ridiculous, brand-new, cardboard-stiff, brown leather bomber jacket with the "Commander-in-Chief" logo that Bush used to wear when he flew off to do a photo-op using the hapless troops as stage props.
Are you waiting for the Hopey Changey Train to carry you to the "Promised" (but not delivered) Land? If so, it's gonna' be a very long wait.
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The Shrub was rightly lampooned for his "mission accomplished" act at the end of the first phase of the second Iraq war. But how much more disgusting and false was Obama's act of pretending to be part of the raid that allegedly murdered Osama bin Laden? The "Commander in Chief", together with his top advisors are filmed in a pretend conference that supposedly is watching over an assassination, entirely false. We have sunk to the point that our chief executive wants to take credit for a lynching.
Tony Vodvarka
It's far too facile to blame your favorite target. American totalitarianism has been, and is, a fully bi-partisan and cross-spectrum affair.
Those who declare "you are to blame" are merely those who refuse to acknowledge their own culpability. Everyone seems to make you sick, because you refuse to confront the sickness within you and that you exude with every comment you make here.
Demonstorm is an appropriate name for you, since you see a storm of demons circling around you and fail to notice the demons within that storm your soul.
Another bitchy loudmouth totally convinced of his own flawless wit and virtue.
You lesser-evilists ARE to blame. And I certainly have the right to call you little bastards out on it, when your pathetic actions are resulting in the loss of our democracy and turning our country into a fascist dictatorship. YOU need to take responsibility for your pathetic actions, rather than turning the finger around on those like myself who are simply pointing out your culpability. If you're going to continue to vote for the Tag-Team Corporate Duopoly that is running this country into the ground, then by God I will continue to call you out on it. You are traitors and enemies of democracy and the Constitution, since your actions directly result in the destruction of both.
Would that we could all take our medications and relax a bit. I'm on to my favorite at the moment, an amber Bicardi and water.
Mmmm. Soma.
Mary Jane rules.
Heh. Yes, yes it does. I'm of the mind that if we fed the rabid-right a daily dose of weed, the world would be a much more loving place.
No doubt about it, one of the greatest anti-depressants in the world, among other attributes.
Speaking of soma, I have heard Chris Hedges brilliantly lecture that we are leaving the age of "Brave New World" and entering the age of "1984".
Perhaps. I personally think it's a hybrid of both. Those who readily accept the diktats of the elite will have the Brave New World of distractions to keep them content and passive. Those who resist, will be met with the full force of big-brother's re-education Room 101.
This is my soma
Thank You Chris. You are truly a hero for our age.
Also, in regard to the 'lesser evil' king of the WH, please read this transcript of a speech by Glen Ford of Black Agenda Report. He nails it perfectly:
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/03/25/why-barack-obama-is-the-more-effective-evil/
Peace
Pet
Glen Ford provided one of the most realistic speeches on President Obama being the most "effective evil" I have read to date. Thanks for that link. I followed up by going to his blog. However, unless the black community takes heed of what Mr. Ford is saying, they will be complicit in the destruction of civil rights as we are seeing happening under this president. Sad and ironic after all the people who died or had their lives ruined in the past for justice.
There is so much wrong here, it is hard to know where to begin. The statute creates a whole body of "criminal" activity without defining the "crime", and imposes criminal (note: no quotes) punishments without defining them as criminal punishments. All it does is impose a duty on the Armed Forces to imprison ("hold") a "COVERED PERSON" for an indefinite term. The language defining "COVERED PERSONS" is sufficiently broad to allow the detaining (holding) authority to apply it to almost any person and any activity it deems subject to the act. Every person on the face of the earth is subject to its provisions. And yet the plaintiffs are required to prove their standing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_(law)) before the court (apparently, the government is not).
The court could, in this case, deny standing to the plaintiffs with a wave of its majestic hand, and the Second Circuit could sustain the dismissal with a similar wave, and the Supremes deny certiorari (any doubts where Kagan would be on this?) with a last dismissive wave, and there we are, folks.
And our noble lawmakers, sometime down the road, can state that they "had no idea!". And everybody walks...except, of course, the COVERED PERSON, a/k/a detainee.
Why isn't Benjamin H. Torrance, assistant U.S. attorney representing the government here a COVERED PERSON? Because the entity he represents determines who will or will not be a COVERED PERSON. Why isn't Benjamin H. Torrance, assistant U.S. attorney representing the government here a war criminal? Because the power holding the new Nuremburg trials on the ashes of the fallen American Empire has not yet convened the new Nuremburg tribunal.
Any ideas on how to fix the system?
“(b) Covered Persons—A covered person under this section is any person as follows: (1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks. (2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or its coalition partners.” Section 1022, Subsection C, goes on to declare that covered persons are subject to: “(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.” And Section 1022, Subsection A, Item 4, allows the president to waive the requirement of legal evidence in order to condemn a person as an enemy of the state if that is believed to be in the “national security interests of the United States.”
Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the United States government give aid and material support to the Mujahidin in Afghanistan when the Soviet Union invaded that country? The same Mujahidin that was the precursor to Al-Qaeda? The same Mujahidin that spawned Osama Bin-Laden? The very same Osama Bin-Laden who was on the CIA payroll right up to 11, September 2001? The same United States government that today pays large sums of American taxpayer dollars to representatives of the Taliban so that our supply convoys can travel through Pakistan and Afghanistan unmolested? Gee, under current United States law, wouldn't that make the United States government an accessory before and after the fact?
Go to jail, Go directly to jail! Do not pass go, do not collect your $200 million in kickbacks from the Military, Congressional, Industrial Complex!
Right ON!
"...or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or its coalition partners"
Please note the subtle switch here from past tense to present tense. A rather neat way, I think, to apply criminal penalties ex post facto to non-criminal behavior. Pretty well thought out for something so slapdash in appearance, don't you think?
Not to mention what constitutes a "coalition partner" (to which the jump of tenses is also apparently applicable). Is Yemen a "coalition partner"? Is Israel?
Excellent points. For that matter, how does the term "coalition partners" apply to another one of our "global contingency operations", in Libya? Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't there elements of al-Qaeda in the coalition that deposed Muammar Gaddafi? If I remember correctly, that little factoid was even confirmed by a Defense Dept. official in sworn testimony to Congress.
It seems that all of this language -- "substantial support", "associated forces", "coalition partners", the changing of past tense to present tense, etc. -- is designed precisely to mean "whatever we say it means." Look at Bradley Manning, being held for two years in pre-trial detention, facing the charge of "aiding the enemy," i.e., treason -- simply for leaking documents that revealed U.S. war crimes and diplomatic wrongdoing. And let's not forget that the 1917 Espionage Act is being used against government whistleblowers in complete contradiction to the law's original intent. The 2001 Authorization of Military Force is being used to provide legal cover for assassinating U.S. citizens far from any battlefield. The Patriot Act, we are being told by U.S. senators, has been interpreted and expanded in ways that would "shock" the American people.
Now, we are supposed to believe that the government will interpret the NDAA restrictively, in line with Obama's signing statement, that it won't be used in a way that encroaches on the Americans' constitutional rights. Give me a break. OF COURSE they will use it to the fullest extent possible, probably in ways that we can't even imagine right now.
Best of luck to Chris Hedges and this legal challenge. It may be our only hope.
How binding is Obama's signing statement against Obama? Can it be effectively raised as a defense against a criminal prosecution by his DoJ?
It's not binding at all. If he ACTUALLY opposed the language in the NDAA providing for indefinite military detention of US citizens without charge, then the appropriate thing to do would be to veto the legislation so that it doesn't become the law of the land.
Senator McCain spoke of the NDAA's “strong, unambiguous language that recognizes that the war on terror extends to us at home.”
Remember the US already has held two citizens in indefinite detention -- Yaser Hamdi and Jose Padilla. The US supreme court upheld the indefinite detention policy in 2004 in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld. With congress writing this law and Barack the Baby Killer signing it, I can't see the US supreme court finding anything wrong with the law.
The combination of the NDAA allowing the military to operate against American citizens and the new HR 347 law that makes it a felony to protest near "protected" persons -- read politicians, especially candidates and conventions -- we can expect a long hot election season.
The idea of ever being "proud" to be an American as opposed to someone who is not a "covered person" once again raises for me the evolution from the notion of pride to that of 'dignity'. The latter requires tracing unbroken connections of well-being; the rooting out of lies both of commission and omission by the powers wielding the decision making apparatus. In short, that their rationales cannot,from jump-street, dignify the choices to force abrogation of the social contract. And this torpid self-indulgence in the name of security they have been chopping and greasing long and hard
The history of manipulation, unaccountability, waste, fraud, murder, and all form of abuse by the economic forces at play here is undeniable. In the long run, it really is the looming natural restriction of the balance of planetary health that will be the final arbiter. No doubt those occupying the upper echelon toss back a guffaw or two - if they even deign to "waste" the breath - right now.
I hold an image for conscience, that most essential aspect of our lives, that it flood their dreams - both sleeping and waking, that whenever they choose to approach a door, their deepest undeniable consciousness be penetrated. Their hand reaches for a door handle, the door to a dark room opens and the darkness does not pour out - it is the light that floods in.
Thank you for that. You correctly describe the grim situation. I will borrow your image.
old goat,
Your provide an inspirational and spiritually suffused clarion call, and I greatly appreciate that.
I've moved my FULL response to the top of this thread, for greater visibility, and to literally project my own LIGHT over the obfuscating and obscuring darkness (and closed door thinking) of several posters whose names need not be mentioned.
see Mar 27 2012 - 2:52pm
May the blessings of LIGHT, TRUTH, and LOVE -- fill us ALL -- so that we all can only express and project THAT onto any other.
Condemnation, judgement, criticism, and blame -- are all about embellishing the darkness, closing the door on our own future possibilities.
Yes, let us celebrate the LIGHT
Be the LIGHT
Be the CHANGE
Even in 1979, when John Gofman, nuclear physicist, Manhattan Project, and later medical doctor and strident anti-nuclear activist wrote "Irrevy" ("An Irreverent, Illustrated View of Nuclear Power"), not even then was there an effective Trial by Jury, as envisaged by Magna Carta, and by free and responsible citizens. Not even in the time of Lysander Spooner, in the mid-1800's, when this constitutional lawyer first illuminated the problem in his classic "An Essay on the Trial by Jury."
And here we are, behind the world's largest eight-ball, fighting for the survival of our natural rights and freedoms - the ball being carried by Chris Hedges et al.
If things are as bad as they look to me, Chris and company will be rolled over in short order, or subjected to endless litigation, which is in effect the same thing - Nelson Mandela(s) with an American twist.
Or perhaps the powers that be are still afraid of free citizens, and if so, what does that say about these powers? Have they ever been other than a so called necessary evil?
And what have we all been doing marching to this type of drummer?
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We are like the frog in the kettle on the fire. The temperature is steadily rising, but most people don't feel it. They are too consumed with their daily struggles and entertainment. Meanwhile, we are steadily becoming more and more fascistic. Chris Hedges and Glenn Greenwald are true American patriots of the first order. Obama is an enormous disappointment.
Jim Shea
~"Chris Hedges and Glenn Greenwald are true American patriots of the first order."~
jim, i'd say they rate much better than that! consider that billions of people world wide simmer like lobsters in the kettle with us. if we could but peer through the fog we would see our own doubts, desires, hopes, fears and frustations mirrored in their eyes. and know "we're ALL in this together.
found this in my notes from a friend:
"the fall of our great empire is accomplishing a feat that you and i have long attempted, the simple realization that we are all in this boat together--the war of words between the passengers on the right and the passengers on the left serves only to rock the boat. calm waters are close at hand, but to find them the oarsmen on each side need work together."
Jim Shea's got it right, we are frogs in the soup kettle, but, most still can't feel the intense heat. As far as Obama being an enormous disappontment - this is very clear but many who supported him still aren't willing to acknowledge it or look at reality. Hedges and Greenwald are two of the very best we've got. Both will probably end up in jail before long for being so bold to challenge the government in the land of pretend we are the good guys. -- JDR
I feel such gratitude to this exemplary bunch, not only for this legal action but for all they have been doing for decades.
On a positive note--there is a reason that more and more explicitly fascist laws are being passed. They know that the coming depression will bring out serious resistance such as hasn't been seen since the Thirties, and they're terrified by the new possibility of a globally united citizenry standing up for its rights and for the planet. Last year brought more than a glimpse of such a prospect--what will this year bring?
I see it the way you do, MWildfire.
Old Goat: As to opening the door that the light stream in, what a high sentiment! You appear to be one capable of praying for your enemies. Bravo.
So, I'm halfway down the thread and so far not one status-quo apologist, character assassin aiming at Chris Hedges' motives or integrity, or dis-information specialist seeking to discredit the Truth of this article. Amazing grace...
I'm afraid that the same people you are petitioning to are products of the system you seek to overturn. Generally you cannot rise to the ranks of 'judge' without proving your loyalty to the alleged 'squeaky clean' system you pledge to support. Your interrogators are naive pawns who have little or no concept of the crimes committed by the government they represent. To acknowledge such crimes would be grounds for immediate dismissal and therefore you will be portrayed behind closed doors as a de facto 'Enemy of the State' who believes in the 'liberal fantasies' about America being the "greatest purveyor of violence in our time."
Now you Mr. Hedges must pray for or hope that somehow an enlightened person of authority has slipped through the cracks, an anomaly who hasn't pledged an allegiance to America or God, but has taken the only honest pledge worth its salt out there, a pledge to humanity. This enlightened 'person of authority' must then base their decision on what is morally right, though they have promised their superiors to rule by the letter of the law. Any deviation from this demand may seriously disrupt their future career plans thereby placing them in a most precarious decision process.
Your application for justice will receive scant attention from the general public even though it is a noble cause that is at the heart of protecting the general public. Kafka's depressing representation of State sponsored injustice was based on his contemporary observations of a totalitarian system that was far less sophisticated or advanced as what we have here today in America. Public outcry may reverse decisions like setting Trayvon Martin's killer free or stopping the occassional State execution of a child, but these are just bones that the corporate State throws to the public to reinforce the illusion of a functioning democracy. George Zimmerman doesn't represent the 1% and therefore is expendable. However your petition could seriously interfere with the Sate's ability to counter a public uprising to establish a functioning democracy here at home. An Arab Spring could manifest itself in a OWS movement that may actually bring about a challenge to the entrenched interests you so gallantly speak out against in your articles. I wish you the best of luck, but I have little faith that justice will be served.