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Usual Suspects Are Beating Drum for Ill-Advised Attack on Iran
It’s hard to believe, especially after the tragic decision to invade Iraq over nonexistent weapons of mass destruction, that the Republican candidates for president and even the Republican candidates for Wisconsin’s soon-to-be-vacant U.S. Senate seat appear all to be on the same page — we’ve got to attack Iran to prevent the country from developing a nuclear weapon.
Tehran University students (Photo: Hamed Saber/Flickr/Creative Commons
This, despite everyone from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to the heads of this country’s intelligence agencies insisting that attacking Iran would be a foolish thing for the United States — or Israel, for that matter — to do.
Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, claims that despite all the rhetoric that emanates from Iran, “We are of the opinion that Iran is a rational actor.” But, if Iran is attacked, the results would destabilize not only that country, but the entire region, he said in a CNN interview.
An attack on Iran would “guarantee that which we are trying to prevent: an Iran that will spare nothing to build a nuclear weapon,” former CIA chief Michael Hayden commented last month, adding that the intelligence community isn’t at all sure that Iran is even trying to build an atomic bomb.
In a report last week in The New York Times, U.S. intelligence analysts say they continue to believe that there is no hard evidence that Iran has decided to build a nuclear weapon. Yes, the country seems to be preserving its options to build a bomb, they admit, but that decision has been put off for sometime in the future, they believe.
Ron Burgess, the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, told Congress that “the agency assesses Iran is unlikely to initiate or provoke a conflict.” Even Meir Deagan, who headed Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad until last year warns that attacking Iran “would mean regional war, and in that case you would have given Iran the best possible reason to continue the nuclear program.”
Peter Beinart of the Web magazine the Daily Beast remarked: “I’ve never seen a more lopsided debate among the experts paid to make these judgments. Yet it barely matters. So far, the Iran debate has been a rout, with the Republican presidential candidates loudly declaring their openness to war and President Obama unwilling to even echo the skepticism of his own security chiefs.”
Yes, the usual suspects are all there, from Elliott Abrams to John Bolton, the same neo-cons who sold us on Iraq, pounding the drums to once again attack another Mideastern country, apparently not learning anything from the a 10-year war that cost America trillions of dollars and many thousands of dead and maimed young people.
“How can it be, less than a decade after the U.S. invaded Iraq, that the Iran debate is breaking down along largely the same lines?” asked Beinart.
What would make it worse is if the country once again accepts their flawed advice.
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Show AllBecause all of the candidates and almost all of the lawmakers in capitol are whores for Israel......what is so difficult to understand?
American foreign policy is completely dominated by the zionists in both parties whose first loyality is to Israel. This is a sick relationship that must be broken if there is to be any chance of real peace in the middle east.
And the only way to break this stranglehold is to inform voters.
Here's how the Zionists took over the American government.
http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/Controversybook_eng_43.htm
Here's how Israel profits from war.
http://www.whenvictimsrule.blogspot.com/search/label/28.%20Israel%20and%20Zionism
You are attempting to paint Israel as a victim and give them them a pass for creating yet another war of aggression. If Israel does not want to be the pariah in the in the region it should stop. Stop terrorizing the Palestinians. Stop bombing its neighbors. Stop using its control of the senate, congress and the media to create war. Stop the targetted assassinations.
It is its Jewish identity that defines Israel--which would suggest "accepting others" is in violation of its very identity.
So remind me, which country has around 200 nuclear weapons, and has stated many times that it will use them not only in neighboring countries, but also in Europe?
"There is no need to say anything else after this headline.
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So don't say anything.
"There will never be any peace in the Middle East untill Islam accepts the State of Israel and another religion in the region. The idea that it is Israel that won't accept others is absurd and uneducated.
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There will never be peace until Israel stops killing Palestines, which Israel is doing right now, as I write this post: 7 Palestinians have been killed in the latest Israeli attack on Gaza. The idea that Israel accepts Palestines is absurd and uneducated, typical of Thomas More / Henry8 / mightymite / prometheus.
As usual, you are full of zionazi crap....
Very simply, the U.S. govt is Israel's bitch., as they say in the Dogg pound. The Yahoo, who went to high school in the Philadelphia suburb and speaks "American" sounds like us. But the Palestinian reps who are paraded on the news have almost incompehensible accents in order to further alienate their views. Another one of the efforts by Zionists to shape our views. When will we ever see live reports from the West Bank or Gaza that dont come through the Zionist filter.,keyn mol nisht.
Every Nation must bow it's knee to Israel or they will pay with blood. Israel is a pox.
I love what they are doing to Gaza. It is an exact repeat of the Warsaw Ghetto.
Is this what is meant by peace to Zionists??
Iran is separated from Israel and poses no threat but no never mind they will not bow their knee to Israel. This can not be so Israel beats the drums and America will be the army that pays with blood for the emperialist demands of Israel.
Can't Egypt open its borders?
You mean like how Germany tried to eradicate those who weren't of the master race?
Eqypt is under US occupation via the military rulers....are you that fcking naive? Answer me this; Why did Lieberman and McCain go to Egypt after Mubarak stepped down??
Ok. So why hasn't Jordan done anything about the situation in the last 40 years? Why hasn't Syria done anything in the last 30 years? If the Arabs cared that much about Palestine, they would have done something. I just think the Palestinians are the pawn of everyone in the region. It isn't just the Israelis that need protesting.
You are absolutely fcking naive. Who do you think are propping these regimes up? Are you really that fcking clueless Shady Mcnutter? Without Western support, the monarchies in the region will fall like dominoes. You must think that Iraq is now a democracy.....Libya too. Egypt too....You need to get your head out of FAUX's arse.
Yeah come to think of it. Why does mexico or canada not opens its borders to all them Natives in The USA.. I mean if they cared about them those Indians just would get the heck out of the USA and turn that land over to people who are entitled to it rather then complain about how it was all taken away...right?
Now all those Sioux and Nez perce and Comanche do is sit around complaining how badly they were treated. Problem solved if they just got out...right?
Yes this is sarcasm
How can it be, less than a decade after the U.S. invaded Iraq, that the Iran debate is breaking down along largely the same lines?”
Simple answer really. Obama's Presidency has neutered the Left.
On top of that, the American people, by enlarge, could care less what happens over in the Mid East. They have no skin in the game.
These war mongerers can do whatever they want.........and they are. It's all in their plan (Control the Mid East) hatched years ago.
I agree that this has a great deal to do with our politicians bowing to Israel and AIPAC, but that's not all that's involved - we have our own agenda and that agenda is regime change. With Syria collapsing (and McCain and the neocons screaming for us to intervene on the side of the rebels), Iran is the last bastion of oil-rich but anti-Western resistence and we want it. We want our hands firmly on the last oil spigots in the Mideast, so we control how much to open them up to the Russians or Chinese when they come calling, so we continue to price petroleum only in dollars, and we (our oil companies) finally have full control over worldwide supply, allowing us to manipulate scarcities and prices as we see fit. Consequences and blowback from attacking Iran? They don't care.
The former PNAC now refers to themselves as the Foreign Policy Initiative, and constitute a fulltime corporate & govt subsidized war lobbying organization.
http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/
The interesting part of this article is what is missing. Ten years ago the Intelligence community did not think Iraq had or was building nuclear weapons, and said so in its reports. Then, Dick Cheney made several trips to CIA headquarters to talk to mid-level analysts to find out why they were not giving him what he wanted to hear. So the tenor of the reports changed, and everyone in the administration pushed for the invasion.
This time, we have the same situation, except that no one fom the White House seems to be pushing the spooks to change their estimates. I wonder how long it will be before that changes.
Thanks sheepherder. That was well worth pointing out.
The Prime Minister of the United States and Israel, Netanyahu, just made a deal with His Terminal Weakness to postpone a Israel/US attack on Iran until after the elections (which will presumably return HTW to office) in return for bigger bunker-busters and more long-range refueling planes from the US.This is so wrong in so many countless ways--all CD readers know the litany by heart. The bottom line is, however, that numerous anti-regime Iranians are bound to be killed by the Israeli Luftwaffe, many Israelis and Americans will die in the retaliation, and Iran will definitely resolve to build or obtain a nuclear deterrent in years to come--all to ensure that the Israeli Wehrmacht maintains its nuclear hegemony in the ME, in aid of its long-term project of Lebensraum and ethnic cleansing (all supported by the US). (Historical designations used to emphasize that we have seen and condemned this type of international thuggery before--lets recognize it now for what it is.)
When a culture indoctrinates its children to let others do the thinking, planning, and deciding, it will likely get a deity-based mythology in place of a real philosophy, and a doctrine of expansive disconnect, where the weave of the natural fibers of life have been severed, to allow more entry points for the myths and lies to destroy the truth, and the people's appreciation for it, and benefit from it. Medieval times in Merka! So it's a good thing the people are jettisoning elite influence in droves today and are moving on over to the far left, by personal initiative, to help build The People's Enlightenment, including a replacement doctrine to propel the replacement philosophy. As a key part of our enlightenment, we're also learning, in droves, to recognize classic liberal propaganda, such as the article above, that in the dreary past allowed the slaves to criticize their imperial masters in a non-threatening way, to vent steam, so to preserve their health, and thus the wealth/privilege of their masters. The people's official nulling of this ominous propaganda racket is probably the greatest news of all. Exciting times for the people! Party over for the Zionists.
Why is "ill-advised" part of the headline instead of the proper term Criminal, as in "... Criminal Attack on Iran?
I have always thought that the "close relationship" between Israel and the US was bad for both countries, as well as being bad for the whole Middle East (if not the whole world). If the US treated Israel as (surprise!) a FOREIGN COUNTRY and not the 51st state, Israeli Jews would have to come to their senses and make an accomodation with the Palestinians. It's obvious to all, but the most fanatical and the most demented, that the current situation, involving brutal oppression and dispossession of Palestinians, is totally unsustainable. Those who know Israel from the inside, will tell you that the country has already paid a heavy moral price for its colonialist policies: crime and drug abuse are common, as are corruption and cynicism and despair. Many Israeli Jews would like to leave the country, as they see no peaceful future. Ultra Orthodox right wingers are increasingly successful in pushing their "medieval" world view. Racism towards Israeli Arabs is freely expressed in public discourse. In short, Israel is a country without moral compass or rational direction--and this is wholly because of its mad committment to Zionist expansionism. The US would benefit from "divorcing" Israel, because Israel is central to US Middle East policy: the settler state is one of the key ways in which the Empire keeps the Middle East riven and divided, so that the US might exercise control over the "stupedndous prize" of Middle East oil. Even if Israel did not exist the USA would still be mightily interested in the Middle East, but the presence of Israel, as an expansionist and militarisitc "Jewish state" makes a bad situation even worse. The US and Israel are gangster states and while it might be objectively insane for them to attack Iran, the imperial criminal mind is hardly interested in objectivity. It takes itself to be THE TRUTH. Given this fact, we can expect war sometime soon...
A well-known joke in Israel, repeated by an Israeli writer on the Charlie Rose Show, is that Israel wouldn't want to be the 51st state because then it would only have 2 Senators.
What ever happened to the U.N.? Didn't we go there before the Iraq blunder? I guess a UN mandate is sooo 1990. You don't hear it mentioned because Russia and China are now wise to us. All the arm-twisting and extortion in the world won't get another UN resolution authorizing the use of force. Of course, Israel wouldn't approach the UN to borrow a cup of sugar, since they know better.
While Zionist influence in the US government is appalling, their influence in the media is just as troubling. It is the media which shapes public opinion, and that is far too important a responsibility to be ceded to one group. But here we are.
What is so obfuscatingly obscured, and so contrary to USA exceptionalism,
to mostly escape most people's only seemingly RIVETED attention ?
EVEN TALKING ABOUT GOING TO WAR AGAINST IRAN
IS ITSELF A _ W A R _ C R I M E _ , AGAINST THE PEACE
I wish more people read this, from Dave Lindorff: :
"President Barack Obama and His Key Advisors are a Gang of War Criminals"
See http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/02/28-11
Read his penetrating analogy, of violent street thugs set loose on the world:
<<" If a bunch of street toughs decided to gang up and beat the crap out of some guy in the neighborhood because they feared he might be planning to buy a gun to protect his family, I think we’d all agree that the police would be right to bust that crew and charge them with conspiracy to commit the crime of assault and battery. If they went forward with their plan and actually did attack the guy, injuring or killing him in the process, we’d also all agree they should all be charged with assault and battery, attempted murder, or even first-degree murder if he died.
In international relations and international law, the same applies. Under the Nuremberg Principles, later incorporated into the United Nations Charter, to which the United States is a signatory, the planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, which is defined as a war started against another nation that does not pose an imminent threat of attack on the aggressor nation or nations, is the highest of war crimes, for which the perpetrators are liable for the death penalty. Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of those above acts is an equally serious capital crime.
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That alleged threat, even if it were real, doesn’t even come close to constituting an “imminent” threat of attack of the kind which might justify a pre-emptive strike on Iran, as is being publicly contemplated and threatened by the US and Israel.">>
_ W A R _ C R I M I N A L _ I N _ C H I E F _
<<" The simple fact is that the president of the United States, Barack Obama, and his top generals and cabinet officers, are committing a war crime every time they threaten Iran with attack.
The president is also committing a crime of conspiracy when he sends his generals to Israel, which is also committing the crime of threatening to attack Iran and planning to attack Iran.
This is because by discussing options for an attack, or by providing Israel with the weapons and delivery systems it would need for such an attack, as the US is doing by sending Israel super large bunker-buster bombs and bomb-capable aircraft, they are furthering that conspiracy.">>
Clearly, this is grounds for impeachment, among dozens of other things.
The taint on Auntie Clinton's & Uncle T'Obama's blue dress,
is the BLOOD of innocents
is the bleating WAR DRUMS
is the DECEIT under the COLOR of AUTHORITY
is the HEINOUS rapacious WARMONGERING
are the GAPPING wounds puncturing our MURDERED Constitution
are the Vacuous WHISPERS of 800 yo MAGNA Charta's
HABEAS CORPUS, heart-torn from US, in NDAA
Let's not forget that the Obama administration has already managed to instigate a financial transfer embargo on Iran. These economic embargoes are tantamount to acts of war. It's like blockading a port (something the U.S. government did illegally after Reagan set up a proxy war against Nicaragua). The U.S. economic embargo against Cuba is another act of war, this time stretching over 50 years.
Of course, the U.S. embargo on Iraq turned out to be a prelude to mass U.S. carpet-bombing of the Iraqi people and their civilian infrastructure. It's one of the greatest unpunished international crimes of our age.
Obama himself did what he promised during the 2008 election and escalated the Bush-instigated occupation of Afghanistan, a country that has not harmed the United States in any way. Now, of course, U.S. troops stationed in that country are subject to improvised explosive devices and other attacks.
So, for those reasons and more, I think Zweifel is getting a bit misled by the Washington cross-talk. The CIA's policy from the Bush years toward Iran likely hasn't changed from "regime change," as it was during the Bush administration. At this point, it's undeniable that the Obama administration has merely continued and escalated the fascist Bush agenda. Obama is at least as war-like and hawkish as Bush, if not more so, given his fondness for troop buildups, drone attacks and assassinations. In his meglomania and disregard for the rule of law, he's even put the cross-hairs on any U.S. citizen he deems as a terrorist, as our compromised Attorney General Holder has made so clear.
U.S. foreign relations with Iran have always been brutal. The rise of the U.S. national security state and its propensity to instigate coups abroad really seemed to start about that time with Iran, particularly when you reflect on the U.S. role (via Kermit Roosevelt Jr.) in carrying out the 1953 Iranian coup that put the hated Shah in power. It got the United States some control over international oil supplies there for a time.
I have no doubt that nothing has changed between the Obama and Bush administrations. It's still regime change. Under such circumstances, and with a militant Israel at their door, it really does make sense for the Iranians to build the bomb. The United States has not set a good example in nuclear deterrence. How different it was in a worse situation - when Pakistan got the bomb. The Bush administration did nothing about it (no embargos, etc.), and for a while it seemed like India and Pakistan were ready to nuke each other.
Really, this is about oil again with Iran. While Obama may have used weak words about others wanting to rush to bomb Iran, his policies aren't moving toward diplomacy and disarmament. No, I can't see him as any rational voice here at all.
The Israel ambassador on Bill Maher tonite was accusing Iranians of being suicidal bombers while threatening to bomb them.