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Fukushima – Worse Than Chernobyl
There is good news and bad news: The good news is that 11 months after the Fukushima meltdown, thousands of Japanese marched in the streets to protest the continuing operation of nuclear power plants in their country, and urged a shift to renewable energy. Some 250,000 people signed petitions to close the reactors in the Tokyo area. Meanwhile in the U.S. the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) approved the building of two new nuclear power plants in Georgia.
Masses of Japanese rallied in Tokyo on Feb. 11. Even larger demonstrations are planned for March 11, the first anniversary of the Fukushima meltdown.The investigative reporter, Karl Grossman, for his program Envirovideo, interviewed Dr. Sherman on March 5, 2011, and she said that it was just a matter of time before we have another nuclear meltdown. Less than a week later, on March 11, following the earthquake and tsunami in Japan, Fukushima Daiichi did just that. On March 19, Professor Alexey Yablokov, the senior author of “Chernobyl – Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment,” arrived on a previously planned visit to Washington, D.C. In a series of radio and TV interviews, we opined, even that early, it appeared that Fukushima was worse than Chernobyl – the latter continuing to harm 25 years later.
On March 25, before Professor Yablokov flew to Seattle for a series of talks, Matt Wald of the New York Times interviewed him. In two follow-up emails asking Wald what he planned to do with the interview, Wald wrote on Nov. 7: “I have not published anything on that conversation and I’m not sure I will … I don’t think the thrust of the book has achieved sufficient scientific traction,” and “I don’t believe there’s evidence that human exposures from Fukushima approach those of Chernobyl.”
The stance of the New York Times is not surprising, as a bastion of corporatism, so well explained in Chris Hedges’ book: “Death of the Liberal Class.” Selective blackouts such as this must push citizens to educate themselves – if we do not understand the many adverse effects caused by Chernobyl, how can we prepare for and document the ones surely resulting from Fukushima. If we don’t know the history of Chernobyl, how can we prevent yet more nuclear meltdowns?
Xenon-133 from Fukushima fallout was detected in the United States just four days after the earthquake, tsunami and meltdowns, and additional isotope deposition was reported that week. Some samples of radioactivity in precipitation, air, water and milk, taken by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) showed levels hundreds of times above normal; however, the EPA, in its wisdom, stopped collecting weekly samples, reverting to quarterly ones.
There is no longer any doubt that radioisotopes in concert with industrial chemicals have caused the epidemic increase in childhood and adult cancer that has occurred since World War II.The U.S. Center for Disease Control (CDC) reported weekly deaths by age in 122 cities, which represents about 25 to 35 percent of the population total. Deaths rose 4.46 percent from 2010 to 2011 in the 14 weeks after the arrival of Japanese fallout, compared with a 2.34 percent increase in the prior 14 weeks. The number of infant deaths after Fukushima rose 1.80 percent, compared with a previous 8.37 percent decrease. Projecting these figures for the entire United States yields 13,983 total deaths and 822 infant deaths in excess of the expected numbers. An updated analysis using the entire year 2011 raised the excess deaths to 21,851.
By contrast to nuclear tests that prolong the release of radioisotopes by dispersion into the stratosphere, emissions from nuclear power plants are dispersed at low atmospheric levels, brought down by rain and snow in a matter of days to weeks. Every nuclear power plant releases a number of isotopes, whether it is operating “normally” or melting down. These include Sr-90, Cs-137, I-131, argon, krypton, xenon and barium, taken up by animals, plants and humans.
The epidemic increase in childhood and adult cancer has occurred since World War II, when both chemical and radiological pollution spread over the world. Half a century later, there is no longer any doubt that radioisotopes in concert with industrial chemicals have caused this epidemic.
All forms of cancer can be induced by radiation. The incidence increases with cumulative dose, and younger aged individuals – human, animals and plants alike – are more sensitive to ionizing radiation than adults. It is not only cancer that is of concern, but genetic damage, birth defects, over-all health and loss of intellectual capacity, the latter absolutely essential for survival. In Belarus, only 20 percent of children are considered well by official standards since the Chernobyl catastrophe.
A unique study of Norwegian children, exposed early before birth to low-level Chernobyl fallout, demonstrated lower intellectual capacity than a comparable group not exposed.
In Belarus, only 20 percent of children are considered well by official standards since the Chernobyl catastrophe.After the Chernobyl meltdown, not all biological systems were studied, but of those that were – wild and domestic animals, birds, fish, plants, fungi, bacteria, viruses, humans, etc. – all were altered, many irreversibly. Genetic damage and reduced viability across species continues to be documented.
Studies of mutation rates of plants and animals around Chernobyl have increased by up to a factor 20 due to release of radionuclides. Rare bird species suffered greater impact than more common ones. Given that each slightly deleterious mutation is expected to result in a selective genetic death and that an average fruit fly under normal conditions may carry as many as 80 mutations, the number of mutations in animals and plants around Chernobyl and hence the number of selective deaths is bound to be much higher.
Bird populations in Fukushima appear to fare worse than those near Chernobyl. Analysis of 14 species common to the two areas revealed a negative effect of radiation immediately after the March 11, 2011, accident upon abundance, differing between areas and species, during the main breeding season in March to July, when individuals work close to their maximum sustainable level.
The citizens of San Francisco’s Hunters Point neighborhood have long known that factors adversely impacting children, adults and the unborn are emissions from incinerators and dumps, chemicals released from various industrial processes, pesticides and other toxic chemicals. Repeated small exposures to radionuclides and to many industrial and agricultural chemicals produce additive and synergistic effects, resulting in greater toxicity than from a single equivalent dose.
What is to be done?
It is absolutely essential that health and environmental data be compiled and made available to the public in an open and transparent way so that contamination levels are known. This information is needed to anticipate and structure health care for those damaged by the fallout of radioactive isotopes. It is in this context that governments must be able to handle increased disease levels. Given the known fallout of radioactive iodine, it is likely that various thyroid diseases (hypo-, hyper-, non-malignant and malignant disease) will increase, thus testing and treatment must be planned for and available.
But beyond just diagnosing and treating more people with radiation-related disease, we can truly prevent these diseases by closing nuclear power reactors, thus reducing exposure to radiation. This is not a theory, but a reality with precedents. After President John F. Kennedy signed the 1963 treaty banning above-ground atom bomb tests, there was an immediate and drastic decline in U.S. infant deaths and cancer in young children. After the closing of eight U.S. nuclear power plants in the 1980s and 1990s, similar declines occurred in down-wind areas.
After President John F. Kennedy signed the 1963 treaty banning above-ground atom bomb tests, there was an immediate and drastic decline in U.S. infant deaths and cancer in young children.With one in six of our population living within 50 miles of a nuclear reactor, the opportunity for a healthier future is great indeed.
Every remaining nuclear power plant is a disaster waiting to happen. Twenty-three of these in the U.S. are the same design as those that are melting down at Fukushima Daiichi. California’s San Onofre and Diablo Canyon nuclear plants are located on the ocean, next to known earthquake faults, and up-wind of huge populations where evacuation is next to impossible. Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant, on the Hudson River, is 35 miles north of New York City, where it is a threat to one-fifth of the entire U.S. population.
If 100,000 protested nuclear power in Japan, why is this not happening in the U.S.? Is it because we are so poorly educated scientifically and politically that we don’t “get it”?
I hope not! Or is it the billions of dollars spent by the U.S. government and the nuclear industry in support of this dangerous and unsustainable industry? Protests against the excesses of Wall Street are taking place – can we mobilize to close all nuclear power plants?
Since the Fukushima disaster, only two of 54 Japanese reactors are operating – the rest closed for inspection and upgrades. Germany and Switzerland have pledged to phase out their reactors, and other nations are considering the same.
Unless the earth stops turning and the laws of chemistry, biology and physics are rescinded, the radioisotopes being released from Fukushima will cause worldwide harm to life. It is in our hands to prevent another Chernobyl or Fukushima.
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Show AllGood article, but considering the headline I wish they gave some actual evidence that Fukushima was worse than Chernobyl.
One reactor at Chernobyl went critical. Three reactors, including one fueled by PLUTONIUM, went critical at Fukushima.
Chernobyl was eventually mostly contained. Fukushima, nearly a year later still has ZERO containment, the reactions are ongoing, and there are still very real fears of a radioactive steam explosion that would spread radioactive debris and contamination on a scale unseen in human technological history.
That perfectly answered that question ~GW~.
And Tepco officials say they (hope) to have Fuku under control by the year 2051.. It is already far worse than Chernbyl.
Governments and press coverage cover ups of just how bad Fuku already has been have been worse too.
Governments and their corporate masters always lie about anything nuclear because it is inherently bad stuff that can never be fixed.
The first existential question for our species is: which will get us first -- nuke waste, toxic waste or global warming?
Answer: a combination of the above unless nuclear warheads get involved. Then it's end game for human beans.
The first existential question for individuals within our species: how do we live useful, meaningful, joyful lives given the scientific reality that our kind (and many others) is doomed because of our collective behavior?
Answer: with great difficulty.
My personal answer is that I'm going home, cooking a good supper, tubing out a bit, texting my daughter our nightly text. If I wake up, I'll get back to my work and on Feb 28 I'll be there.
Hope to see lots of others too.
Remember February 28.
Show up February 28!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stand up to police state repression of Occupy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Solidarity and Peace Out,
tj
You haven't been following Occupy, they are controlled and paid for by unions and are violent. Not all of occupy are bad but the ones being paid by obama are, and the unions are. Look what the Oakland Occupy has done. Bad people, violant people, obama has said he wants the occupy more violent. Google it.
Nuclear is irresponsible, they can't even control the waste much less a nuclear accident.
"Chernobyl was eventually mostly contained."
Don't be too sure about that.
A whole lot of concrete was poured on the Chernobyl reactor (sarcophagous), supposedly "containing" it. Fact is, it continues to leak into the soil under the concrete, which is crakcking and leaking all the time anyway.
Not to mention the vast amount of radiation that erupted into the environment throughout the Northern Hemisphere that will do damage for who knows how long.
That's the problem with nuke waste. It can never actually be fully "contained." At best, it can be "managed" while it screws up the environment burning off.
This is the original sin of all nukes.
That does not mean Daichi/Fukushima is not worse than Chernobyl. It just means that Chernobyl remains an ongoing horror of epic proportions.
I tend to agree ~tj~ but the Russians did a hell of a lot better job of sealing it off as best as possible in less than a month than the Japanese have done at Fukushima.
You are correct, much more needs to be done at Chernobyl, but I won't hold my breath waiting to see what might be done... At Fuku? They don't have a clue of what to do except to declare it is in "cold shutdown".
How many more hundred years are they going to be pumping water on those three cores of radioactive lava and the spent fuel rod ponds? When will another heavy earthquake hit that area? We'll see.
Due to the layout at Fukushima, it is not possible for them to dump sand and concrete from helicopters on the three melted down cores, they would first have to remove the spent fuel rods and put them in cold storage, which is near impossible, then remove the destroyed reactor building, which is near impossible, unless a few hundred workers are willing to die doing it as the Russian workers were willing to do. They all knew they were going to die a horrible painful death and they went in and did their best to stop the continual radiation releasing.
WayneWR:
I have to respectfully disagree again.
First, Chernobyl is on land, making it easier to seal off the area.
Second, the Russians are much more repressive than the Japanese and do a better job of controlling the flow of information.
Third, the West cooperates in Russia's ongoing disinformation campaign about Chernobyl because the West is much more nuclearized.
So both the scientific facts and the political facts are somewhat different.
But, in the end, these are quibbles because these vast horrors are so destructive and will continue to be for generations, centuries, millenia.
The only issue with all things nuke is we have to build power to stop all of it ASAP.
Something I'm sure we agree on.
Your last paragraph gets to the core (excuse me) of the problem. I salute the courageous workers of both Chernobyl and Fukushima.
Solidarity,
tj
Hi ~tj~, It alright if you wish to disagree with me again. I disagree with you about which is worse. But it really is not worth arguing over as they are both disasters.
Some reasons I believe Fukushima is worse than Chernobyl is because the three reactor cores’ are still on fire and radiating deadly isotopes of radioactive poisons, most of which are now going into the ground water and likely the ocean, however steam is still rising from all there of the reactor buildings and it isn‘t just steam.
Then this astute comment ~GalenW~ posted,, ("and there are still very real fears of a radioactive steam explosion that would spread radioactive debris and contamination on a scale unseen in human technological history")... He is correct.
Tepco officials say the reactor temps are below 80 degrees C so it’s in "cold shutdown", which is bullshit. The temp of the three now empty reactors is not relevant, the temp of the molten lava is what matters and they don’t even know where the radioactive lava is located.
Now Tepco plans to pour concrete in the ocean sea bed to stop the radiation. Of course that won’t stop it, but we do now know Tepco admits after 11 months that the three cores are still radiating isotopes of cesium, Pu, etc, or they wouldn’t say they have to try and stop it.
Chernobyl was put under good control in less than a month and Fuku is still smoking and Tepco officials say they won’t have it under control for another 40 years. So which is worse? It could be polluting the atmosphere and or the ocean for100 more years, or more than a 100 years. No one knows.
And the radioactive poisons are diluted in the ocean but apparently not diluted enough... All of a sudden massive numbers of sea mammals are now dying. Radiation poisoning seriously compromises animals immune systems and they are more apt to die from any number of diseases, virus, parasites, etc.
Btw, tons of plutonium was released into the atmosphere at Fukushima when the number 3 spent fuel rod pond blew up and geologist predict another massive earthquake is due to hit the plant area at any time... Look out then if that happens. We’ll think Chernobyl was a picnic in comparison.
Anyway; I believe global warming is the most serious (pending) killer of life on Earth as the Arctic permafrost melts and a trillion or even several trillion tons of methane gas enters the atmosphere... I give us no more than 20 year for that to happen, probably less than 10 years… We’ll see.
Another comparison, albeit not "promised in the title" but nonetheless topical, would be "Is Fukushima worse than a nuclear warhead explosion?".
I used to think it was obvious that a nuclear warhead would be worse, but some experts questioned it because of "the Iran warmongering in the face of nuclear power plant approvals in the USA" - pure hypocracy if Fukushima is worse!!
A warhead explosion is DEFINITELY worse.
Just think about the size of such an explosion compared to the little one that has caused such problems in Fukushima.
The article also said two nuclear reactors are being are being built in Georgia, the money was given to Georgia by obama in return for allowing him to be on their ballot in 2012. This is sick.
Your point is well taken, hamster. Those comparing Fukushima to Chernobyl make the mistake of comparing three reactors vs. one reactor. But they fail to recognize that while three reactors did suffer sufficent temperature rise to have the fuel rods begin to leak, at Chernobyl the one core went PROMPT Critical which means its fission rate went so high that the energy release rate was sufficient to actually blew up the core and disperse a significant fraction of it world-wide.
In Fukushima that did not happen, rather only those radiochemicals that are gaseous in the overheated fuel escaped into the environment: cesium, iodine and xenon primarily.
Thirty-two Russion fire-fighter died of acute radiation exposure and 200 experienced radiation sickness from which they recovered. Nothing like that happened at Fukushima. No significant strontium or plutonium has leaked from Fukushima, in contrast to Chernobyl.
The expert opinion is that Chernobyl was about 5 times more contaminating than Fukushima. Also a large fraction of the Fukishima release drifted over and into the ocean where is was diluted rather than on the surface of land masses of Europe as was the case with Chernobyl.
Janette Sherman and Joseph Mangano are not reliable scientifically on this subject of the relative harm of these accidents because they are clearly grinding their anti-nuclear axes in this article.
Welcome back!
I ask myself which is the morally more hazardous position, the climate change deniers or those who downplay Fukushima, largely to build the case for building more, allegedly-safe nuclear power plants. Granting False Witness is a moral sin. No one gets a free pass on that in the karmic long-run, even if it allows them to pay their mortgage now.
Any word on the radioactive debris mass heading towards California? The sunny beaches have, to my knowledge, made no forecasts on that troubling event.
It shouldn't "mass" it should disperse.
Can you link a reference please?
Hppt://XXX. fik-u/ radioactive -*mass*- heading for - matti. dufus.
So no real links?
One would think a "radioactive mass" could be spotted and broken up.
Yes, yes. Perhaps it could be towed out to sea, a bit like they did with hole in the ozone layer. Or perhaps we could use nuclear weapons to break up the radioactive mass.
Or use it to fuel Matti's Billionaire dream - The Safe Nuclear Reactor. We would have to pay TEPCO for using it, but they need the money since they can't sell that "too cheap to meter electricity" they produce.
Plutonium was found around the Daichi area, the cores did go critical, the "release" did not disperse in the ocean, it poisoned the ocean. You are a liar.
I feel Walt Disney tricked all us Baby Boomers. With his push for nuclear reactor cartoons in the early fifties. And I heard the gossip is Chernoble is still burning to the core. It's so funny. I feel too many people think their from the " Show Me" state. We're all in this together. It's not like some old science fiction movie where me and my family can escape to the moon or some new found planet and live happily for another 10 or so generations. Let's all get real and go for wind and water energy. Yea!
They say that one cigarette, maybe the next one, maybe not, is the one that gives you lung cancer. The same argument goes with nukes. It's only a matter of time before yet another plant melts down.
Shutting a nuclear power plant down now reduces the chance of a meltdown to nearly zero.
Once again we have an author pleading (I assume) with the US government to implement a series of studies, regulations and directives aimed at the nuclear industry, yet all of this will fall on deaf ears as long as we have a government that exists precisely because of the vested interests (including nuclear development corporations like GE & Westinghouse) that placed them in power. Combined with almost universal corporate control in the U.S. of the mainstream media with their "selective blackouts" of such critical issues connected to our very existence, does anyone seriously expect a sudden 'great awakening' by average Americans anytime soon?
Turn off the reality shows and the Idol shows and you'll see a bunch of people jump off their couch in anger (until baseball season starts).
Well the two of you waking up is a great start- can you both at least try?
for years the international community - the iaea - held to the lie that only 4000 people lost their lives as a result of the chernobly disaster
from jannette the writer of this column:
"A million people have died so far as a result of the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear plant accident, explains Dr. Janette Sherman, toxicologist and contributing editor of the book Chernobyl: Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment "
http://www.ratical.org/radiation/Chernobyl/C1Mcasualties.html
dr helen caldicott "estimates that 40 percent of the European land mass is now contaminated with cesium 137 and other radioactive poisons that will concentrate in food for hundreds to thousands of years. Wide areas of Asia — from Turkey to China — the United Arab Emirates, North Africa and North America are also contaminated. Nearly 200 million people remain exposed."
http://www.helencaldicott.com/2011/12/after-fukushima-enough-is-enough/#more-381
more: "In contrast, distinguished nuclear expert Helen Caldicott called Fukushima an unprecedented “absolute disaster,” multiples worse than Chernobyl. “The situation is very grim and not just for the Japanese people. If both reactors blow then the whole of the northern hemisphere may be affected. Only one (Chernobyl) reactor blew, and it was only three months old with relatively little radiation. (Fukushima’s) have been operating for 40 years, and would hold about 30 times more radiation than Chernobyl.”"
http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2011/03/19/japan-nuclear-meltdown-multiple-times-worse-than-chernobyl/
how about the good ole usa:
"Nearly 50 U.S. Nuclear Power Plants Are Leaking Radioactive Tritium
Somewhere around 75 percent of U.S. nuclear power plants have been found leaking the radioactive element Tritium into the ground to various extents."
http://gizmodo.com/5814212/nearly-50-us-nuclear-power-plants-are-leaking-tritium
aren gunderson from fairwinds on fukishima:
Exclusive Arnie Gundersen Interview: The Dangers Of Fukushima Are Worse And Longer-lived Than We Think
“I have said it’s worse than Chernobyl and I’ll stand by that. There was an enormous amount of radiation given out in the first two to three weeks of the event. And add the wind and blowing in-land. It could very well have brought the nation of Japan to its knees. I mean, there is so much contamination that luckily wound up in the Pacific Ocean as compared to across the nation of Japan – it could have cut Japan in half."
http://gramercyimages.com/blog1/tag/arne-gundersen/
here is a link to the audio of the fukushima quake, the fourth largest quake ever, as captured by the navy in alaska, worth a listen
http://www.ouramazingplanet.com/1205-japan-earthquake-audio.html
now the death master obummer has approved yet another new plant for amerika, over the objections of the chairman of the nrc
"Regulators on Thursday approved plans to build the first new nuclear power plant in the U.S. in more than 30 years, despite objections of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission chairman, who cited safety concerns stemming from Japan's 2011 Fukushima disaster.
The Obama administration has offered Southern and its partners $8.3 billion in federal loan guarantees as an incentive. Fanning said he expects the U.S. Energy Department to finalize the loan in the second quarter of 2012."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/09/us-usa-nuclear-license-idUSTRE8181T420120209
and still the sheeple slumber
oh yeah one more thing - no one and i mean no one has figured out as of yet - what the hell do we do with all of the radioactive fuel rods - the rods which will be toxic and deadly for another 230,000 years
all this crap is building up all over the world and no one knows what to do with it
just bat chit crazy stuff
I'm hoping the irradiated hyperintelligent (for them) mutant cockroaches will do a better job in actually caring for this planet...
On a more serious note, in 225,000 years, the Moon will have moved 10% further out in it's orbit from Earth. This will destabilize our rotation, and eventually our planet will 'fall over', and the pole of rotation will more or less point at the sun. During this process, most of life on Earth will perish.
This is not in dispute by any cosmologist or astrophysicist.
So even after most of the multi-billion year flourishing of life on this planet is over, from simple single-celled life to us and our decendants, our radioactive shitpile will still be there.
What a 'thank you' note to the cosmos...
"This is not in dispute by any cosmologist or astrophysicist."
But what about cosmetologists and astrologers? They are Amerika's leading scientists.
The first post looks like some guy paid by the nuclear industry to sit in a boiler room full of bloggers and write an off-topic piece of garbage. The industry has gotten so good at writing meaningless drivel over the years, maybe that's all they can write.
If you've ever noticed any of my posts on many topics on CD before you'd know I'm not what your imagination conjured up. To be clear, this piece was written for a general readership in the SF Bay View. My comment isn't so much about the validity of their assertion that Fukushima was worse than Chernobyl, but that it is presented with precious few facts to back it up. Some of the commenters here have graciously provided a lot more of these facts.
What makes you think Paul or others here do not know and associate this comment with your previous posts here? The article was filled with verifiable facts, and provided source material as well. In addition, the authors could not be more credentialed, experienced, and informed- as noted by their brief Bio's at the end of the Common Dreams news article. In addition, if you are a long time participant here you are well aware of the situation in Japan, and of the problem with devious operators on CD. If you wanted links, or assistance for searches, the community is ready to help; but to post a comment calling into question the "links" for verification and stating the article has no "facts", or even insinuate a paucity of them, is working to discredit the authors and article. Instead of casting doubt, aspersions, or lies why not try this: I need help finding source material about the Chernobyl Meltdown and the Daichi Meltdowns- can anyone help me? This is just my suggestion to another sincere and helpful member of our community.
PostScarcityAna... wrote (to hamster):
'...The article was filled with verifiable facts, and provided source material as well. In addition, the authors could not be more credentialed, experienced, and informed- as noted by their brief Bio's at the end of the Common Dreams news article....'
From the article:
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The U.S. Center for Disease Control (CDC) reported weekly deaths by age in 122 cities, which represents about 25 to 35 percent of the population total. Deaths rose 4.46 percent from 2010 to 2011 in the 14 weeks after the arrival of Japanese fallout, compared with a 2.34 percent increase in the prior 14 weeks. The number of infant deaths after Fukushima rose 1.80 percent, compared with a previous 8.37 percent decrease. Projecting these figures for the entire United States yields 13,983 total deaths and 822 infant deaths in excess of the expected numbers. An updated analysis using the entire year 2011 raised the excess deaths to 21,851.
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That is a reference to a study published by writers of the article, a study that was deeply flawed. The CDC data upon which the mortality figures were obtained were based on voluntary reports. And the dates given were those of the signing of the death certificates, rather than the dates of death. Of course, deaths attributed to a nuclear accident could occur years thereafter. But in the study, the authors do NOT claim a causal relationship between the Fukushima accident and the increased mortality rate. And no other possible cause is presented.
John
Do you propose another posible cause? Also you called into question the authors motivations because you think they are biased, your actions are more than suspect, especially in light of your casting aspersions on these two medical scientists; whom could not have more legitimacy regarding the study of nuclear fission processes and medical consequences even if they had worked on the Manhattan project and flown the Enola Gay. You have cast your web of deceit far too long. There is nothing flawed about the study cited,- in fact- the very fact that they drew no conclusions and asserted no causal relationship speaks to their professionalism, and calls into question your motivations. Statistically speaking the study gives every credence to the epidemiological conclusion that people are being harmed/killed by the spread of the poisons from the nuclear boiler Daichi complex. Your anecdote about "voluntary" reporting is quite clever, you fail to mention that this info is ALWAYS and has been always "volunteered"- it is part of being a concerned health professional to share data to better protect the health of the community. It is not surprising you would attempt to disparage anyone who is trying to help our community, and no reason for your malfeasance is needed to understand you, it is enough to have witnessed greed,avarice, and vengefulness in others to understand you: you are simple and plain.
Hi Galen,
I have come to respect your posts, so I wont dismiss it, but links ARE necessary here as are timelines to actual destruction.
Go with this for a start: http://starryskies.com/articles/2007/10/primal-future-moon.html
Read especially the second last paragraph.
Then there is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j43GCAHAHo
History Channel also ha d a documentary about the effects of the Earth/Moon system, and the effects of the moon moving further away.
medmedude
Thanks for all the work in your post.
I suppose an operative phrase from "Forrest Gump" applies:
"Stupid is as stupid does."
Manysummits
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"bat chit crazy stuff"
no chit
thanks for collecting it
tj i laughed myself chitless - thanks for the post
good stuff, very funny
When, oh when, will we see demonstrations like these in the United States? Over nuclear power, or any other issue?
Clearly our "leaders" believe that they're coming.
What else would account for the passage of indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens by overwhelming bipartisan majorities in both the House and Senate?
Why else did the US Government have Halliburton/KBR build the FEMA camps? Why else the creation of NORTHCOM and the suspension of Habeus Corpus and Posse Commitatus? Why else the brutal suppression of OWS?
Thanks to Dr. Sherman and Mr. Magano for this clear report that makes technical sense to the average reader.
Before too long, a nincompoop who operates under the handle of "matti" will show up to blast this solid research and reporting with his cannon of misinformation and sheer ignorance.
His comments are good for laughs sometimes; but usually not even worth that.
tj wrote:
'Thanks to Dr. Sherman and Mr. Magano for this clear report that makes technical sense to the average reader.'
But the article is somewhat flawed. From the article:
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Xenon-133 from Fukushima fallout was detected in the United States just four days after the earthquake, tsunami and meltdowns, and additional isotope deposition was reported that week. Some samples of radioactivity in precipitation, air, water and milk, taken by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) showed levels hundreds of times above normal; however, the EPA, in its wisdom, stopped collecting weekly samples, reverting to quarterly ones.
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There is no way that xenon-133 detected in the US can be attributed to the Fukushima accident. The radioisotope is produced in all US power and research nuclear reactors. Also, from the article:
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There is no longer any doubt that radioisotopes in concert with industrial chemicals have caused the epidemic increase in childhood and adult cancer that has occurred since World War II.The U.S. Center for Disease Control (CDC) reported weekly deaths by age in 122 cities, which represents about 25 to 35 percent of the population total. Deaths rose 4.46 percent from 2010 to 2011 in the 14 weeks after the arrival of Japanese fallout, compared with a 2.34 percent increase in the prior 14 weeks. The number of infant deaths after Fukushima rose 1.80 percent, compared with a previous 8.37 percent decrease. Projecting these figures for the entire United States yields 13,983 total deaths and 822 infant deaths in excess of the expected numbers. An updated analysis using the entire year 2011 raised the excess deaths to 21,851.
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The reference is to a recently published paper by the authors. While showing a correlation between Fukushima fallout in the US and increased mortality, the authors don't actually claim a causal relationship. Nor do they provide a bit of evidence that the Fukushima accident (or any other incident) was to blame.
John
Yes, yes.
I'm a witch and you want to burn me.
*yawn*
Why doesn't it seem to matter to you witch-hunters that I am for a global nuke power reactor shutdown, a forever ban on basically all current reactor types, and any new types that could make weapons material, and any new types that can't pass a cost/benefit test against other generator systems (such as solar), AND the disposal and forever ban of any and all nuke weapons or weapon systems, including depleted uranium tipped ordinance and radioisotope powered spy or weapon satellites?!?!?!
Do you REALLY so hate/fear me just because I think we should approach nuke issues calmly, rationally, and with objective science?
Or is it that I am of the semi-informed opinion that reactor designs employing thorium can work, will be orders safer for several reasons, and will eliminate the long-term wastes problem?
Or maybe it is because I go my own way and don't mindlessly follow the "party line" in general?
Whichever, this kinda crap is VERY counter-productive and I wish it would stop.
Your "suffering" does not matter because it is false, no one is claiming you are a Witch- we are pointing out you are a liar, and a villain.
Habituates of this site know well what will follow from this quarter: nukes are absolutely the worst man made poison in the history of this planet. This is due mainly to the half-life of the radiation, which encompasses the timeline of four stages of human evolution to before the Neanderthals. A second factor is the necessity for containment buildings for decommissioned nukes to remain intact for 50,000 years; which happens to be 10 times the length of the current longest still intact human structure, the Pyramids of Giza. Of course, one can be quite sure that the for-profit nuke companies have nowhere near the engineering expertise of the ancient Egyptians, or are willing to expend the resources necessary to build and maintain (can anybody name a corporation that has existed for more than 400 years?) such a structure.
It's fucking insane, the shit storm we're handing the future is unreal.
What gives us the right?
Japan has shut down all but two of their 54 nuclear reactors and they have not missed the loss of power from nuclear. That alone should be enough to say something of wake up importance to somebody. .
The Islands of Japan are geothermal heaven, and are also earthquake heaven, so using nuclear power there is stupider than doing it here in the United States..... Stupid is stupid wherever it is displayed however. .
"Fukushima – Worse Than Chernobyl"
Nothing new there. "Fukushima – Worse Than Chernobyl" was clear nearly a year ago (11 months) for anyone with eyes to see and a mind to reflect.
It's good the recognition's finally in - but the fight for healthier environments regarding nuclear reactors is far from over. A faith-based relationship to scientific facts, as quoted regarding the New York Times, is a throwback to the middle ages.
If only the issue with Iran's nuclear program was that the world had agreed to no more nuclear reactors and Iran was in breach of that, then I might've supported the pressure against Iran. But that's not the issue - it's rather a faint suspicion that Iran's nuclear program is NOT for nuclear reactors that's claimed to be a problem. - How upside down the world is...
And this latest article-great job, Janette and Joseph-again reinforces the frustration and anger in me over the decision my state, Florida, has taken to entertain, like Georgia, the renewed push for nuclear power. There are TWO new plants being considered/planned for Levy County, about 100 miles north of where I live and about 20 miles from the currently off-line Crystal River nuclear plant. It is just nightmarish to imagine not one but two plants there, their very presence having wiped out so much environmentally rare lands and then to think of all the readiation, spent fuel and all the other things that simply are not right for this planets life forms to survive.
God how I wish I knew why some are so hell-bent on pushing nuclear power!! Can't these people see what destructive poisons are born from the use of nuclear power? Or, maybe it's me-what is it that I'm not seeing here? ALl I know is that there must be a way to stop this nuclear madness.