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The president did something agile and wise the other day. And something quite important to the health of our politics. He reached up and snuffed out what some folks wanted to make into a cosmic battle between good and evil. No, said the president, we're not going to turn the argument over contraception into Armageddon, this is an honest difference between Americans, and I'll not see it escalated into a holy war. So instead of the government requiring Catholic hospitals and other faith-based institutions to provide employees with health coverage involving contraceptives, the insurance companies will offer that coverage, and offer it free.
The Catholic bishops had cast the president's intended policy as an infringement on their religious freedom; they hold birth control to be a mortal sin, and were incensed that the government might coerce them to treat it otherwise. The president in effect said: No quarrel there; no one's going to force you to violate your doctrine. But Catholics are also Americans, and if an individual Catholic worker wants coverage, she should have access to it -- just like any other American citizen. Under the new plan, she will. She can go directly to the insurer, and the religious institution is off the hook.
When the president announced his new plan, the bishops were caught flat-footed. It was so ... so reasonable. In fact, leaders of several large, Catholic organizations have now said yes to the idea. But the bishops have since regrouped, and are now opposing any mandate to provide contraceptives even if their institutions are not required to pay for them. And for their own reasons, Republican leaders in Congress have weighed in on the bishops' side. They're demanding, and will get, a vote in the Senate.
Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-KY, says:
"The fact that the White House thinks this is about contraception is the whole problem. This is about freedom of religion. It's right there in the First Amendment. You can't miss it, right there in the very First Amendment to our Constitution. And the government doesn't get to decide for religious people what their religious beliefs are. They get to decide that."
But here's what Republicans don't get, or won't tell you. And what Obama manifestly does get. First, the war's already lost: 98 percent of Catholic women of child-bearing age have used contraceptives. Second, on many major issues, the bishops are on Obama's side -- not least on extending unemployment benefits, which they call "a moral obligation." Truth to tell, on economic issues, the bishops are often to the left of some leading Democrats, even if both sides are loathe to admit it. Furthermore -- and shhh, don't repeat this, even if the president already has -- the Catholic Church funded Obama's first community organizing, back in Chicago. Ah, politics.
So the battle over contraception no longer seems apocalyptic. No heavenly hosts pitted against the forces of Satan. It's a political brawl, not a crusade of believers or infidels. The president skillfully negotiated the line between respect for the religious sphere and protection of the spiritual dignity and freedom of individuals. If you had listened carefully to the speech Barack Obama made in 2009 at the University of Notre Dame, you could have seen it coming:
The soldier and the lawyer may both love this country with equal passion, and yet reach very different conclusions on the specific steps needed to protect us from harm. The gay activist and the evangelical pastor may both deplore the ravages of HIV/AIDS, but find themselves unable to bridge the cultural divide that might unite their efforts. Those who speak out against stem-cell research may be rooted in an admirable conviction about the sacredness of life, but so are the parents of a child with juvenile diabetes who are convinced that their son's or daughter's hardships might be relieved. The question then is, "How do we work through these conflicts?"
We Americans have wrestled with that question from the beginning. Some of our forebearers feared the church would corrupt the state. Others feared the state would corrupt the church. It's been a real tug-of-war, sometimes quite ugly. Churches and religious zealots did get punitive laws passed against what they said were moral and religious evils: blasphemy, breaking the Sabbath, alcohol, gambling, books, movies, plays ... and yes, contraception. But churches also fought to end slavery, help workers organize and pass progressive laws. Of course, government had its favorites at times, for much of our history, it privileged the Protestant majority. And in my lifetime alone, it's gone back and forth on how to apply the First Amendment to ever- changing circumstances among people so different from each other. The Supreme Court, for example, first denied, then affirmed, the right of the children of Jehovah's Witnesses to refuse, on religious grounds, to salute the flag.
So here we are once again, arguing over how to honor religious liberty without it becoming the liberty to impose on others moral beliefs they don't share. Our practical solution is the one Barack Obama embraced the other day: protect freedom of religion -- and protect freedom from religion. Can't get more American than that.
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The odds against a 3rd party are, admittedly, formidable, but not insurmountable - we just can't quit. I am supporting Jill Stein for a number of reasons. I agree with the platform, but just as much I really like the candidate - I have seen/read interviews wherein she explains why she is putting her heart into this campaign and it really struck a chord with me - I think she is the real deal and deserves the support of anyone who claims they give a damn. Don't know if you have checked her out - but here it is;
http://www.jillstein.org/
Dozen's of states already have this law many of them very right wing. So now it is a problem because? Oh that's right, "that Guy in the White House".
This red-herring is second year law school stuff. It is axiomatic that no right is absolute. The state may legislate in this arena where the legislation is narrowly drawn to achieve it has a compelling state interest. Like preventing unwanted pregnancies. Religious freedom? Bigamy anyone? How about human sacrifice? How about stoning adulterers? How about simple inoculation which the church was steadfastly against? America is getting sick and tired of this. Keep your dogmas off our bodies. If they want to live by the blood-soaked book of a pre-literate Bronze Age nomadic tribe they might like Kabul or Tehran. This is a secular nation.
Simple answer to the problem - single payer healthcare, and repeal of the Hyde amendment. Way to get there - elect people who support the same. Problem solved ....
Agreed. I also think it is a good argument on behalf of going the British route, rather than the way of the Canadians, and opting for full nationalization. That would get the church out of the health care business entirely. I live in an area where the only hospital is a religious one. There are all kinds of insipid ways the religious authorities slip into a territory that is none of their business - even when you are not a religious person and not associated with any church - including outside the hospital and through many doctors and nurses in the community associated through their hospital. There you are, dealing with THEIR religion in YOUR health care, once again.
Nationalize the hospitals and, the entire health care system. Problem solved.
Let patients who want the blessings of their fundyism, privately and individually - ONLY - invite priests and pastors to their hospital rooms on their own. As far as the sane world is concerned, get them out and keep them out.
Nationalize NOW.
If I may make a suggestion, the first thing to nationalize is Medical Education.
I went to an audience microphone, in Edmonton, AB, and made that statement to a national gathering of Canada's top health care gurus, government and private. There were gasps from the crowd. There was a seated panel and one member asked me to elaborate and describe the benefits. So I did. He sought me out after the session closed and invited me to lunch. I could have had a job in Saskatchewan. Can you say Regina here without starting a riot? With what frequency or ratio?
Trylon
As a Jesuit trained progressive, a frustrating thing for me has been watching how Ralph Reed's so called "religious right" merged with the Tea Party, made Ayn Rand their Goddess, and supplanted the Gospels of Jesus with the Teachings of John Galt. This wing of "Christianity" is directly linked to those who supported and rationalized slavery, segregation, and whom Martin Luther King chastised for turning a blind eye to, enabling, and/or participating in the lynching and burning alive of Black men on the same day they went to Sunday Church service.
And now they have made the commandment, "THOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS" into a virtue, and those who do it the best and the most, like Santorum, Gingrich, Perry, Romney, Bachmann, Cain et al are the ones they support the most. In my view, their apostasy and hypocrisy are so thick that THEY are the ones responsible for so many who have turned away from religion since they have successfully hijacked the media and made themselves the "official" version of Christianity.
When you get a chance, please check out my article, "Crusader Christianity, Tea Party Cult, & the Left."
http://open.salon.com/blog/ronrobinson/2011/08/02/crusader_christianity_tea_party_cult_the_left_wip
When Obum sold us out to the insurance co's, this mess was inevitable and will only get worse. Single Payer/Medicare for all, is the only workable system, period! Nationalize the hospitals, the banks too, and revoke Tax Free status for any church who meddles in politics. Just a few things that might avert the disaster we are heading for.
ATTENDED A RALLY featuring RICK SANTORUM THIS WEEK (more like an I hate Iran/Muslims rant, and you should too..) BUT HE COULD NOT MODIFY HIS RHETORIC ON THE CONTRACEPTIVE ISSUE..(THE PRESIDENT HAD RE-ADJUSTED THE PROGRAM THE DAY BEFORE so HE DID NOT HAVE HIS NEW SCRIPT READY TO GO...) BUT HERE IS WHAT IS REALLY AT STAKE for the ROMAN CATHOLICS... Republicans in alliance with Catholic Bishops want to make the contraceptive access issue a matter of a sacred violation of our constitutional Freedom of Religion. WHAT HOGWASH! The irony is MEN DO NOT GET PREGNANT, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church is entirely governed by MEN, so what is it they are actually defending? Church Doctrine? Wikipedia states: "Catholics for a Free Choice claimed in 1998 that 96% of U.S. Catholic women had used contraceptives at some point in their lives and that 72% of Catholics believed that one could be a good Catholic without obeying the Church's teaching on birth control. [31] According to a nationwide poll of 2,242 U.S. adults surveyed online in September 2005 by Harris Interactive, 90% of Catholics supported the use of birth control/contraceptives.[32]" [31. Catholics for a Choice (1998). "A Matter of Conscience: Catholics on Contraception" (pdf). Catholics for a Choice. Retrieved 2006-10-01. 32. Harris Interactive (2005). "The Harris Poll #78". Harris Interactive. Retrieved 2006-10-01.] THIS IS WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON... "Family planning proponent Stephen D. Mumford has argued that the primary motivation behind the Church's continued opposition to contraceptive use is the Church's fear of losing papal authority if the pope were to contradict the dogma of papal infallibility.[35] [Wikipedia: 35. "WHY THE POPE CAN'T CHANGE THE CHURCH'S POSITION ON BIRTH CONTROL: IMPLICATIONS FOR AMERICANS," A presentation by Stephen D. Mumford D.Ph.] IF THE CURRENT "POPE" SAYS PHARMACUTICAL CONTRACEPTION IS OK, THEN IT WOULD UNDERMINE ALL THE PRIOR DECLARATIONS OF CHURCH DOCTRINE. THUS, THE CHURCH WOULD HAVE TO ADMIT THE POPE DOES NOT SPEAK FOR CHRIST, GAME OVER. Maybe they should take a Chapter from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons)...at least their doctrines can change over time according to "new revelations" from God to their "Prophet." Protestants and other Christian Churches changed their position on this issue decades ago. The President did not tell them what to believe or how to worship; he said in the interest of the health of women, if the women need such assistance and desire to access this care on their own accord, then it should be available to them by their government. IF MEN CARRIED CHILDREN, GAVE BIRTH, and ACTUALLY PROVIDED THEM THE MAJORITY OF CARE and NURTURING UNTIL THE AGE OF MAJORITY...THIS WOULD NOT EVEN BE A MATTER FOR DEBATE or DISCUSSION. THANK YOU MR. MOYERS for STANDING UP AND SHINING A LIGHT ON THEIR SPECIOUS ARGUMENTS. Namaste ♥
If men got pregnant, contraception and abortion would be a sacrament!!
If the Pope wants to let all these kids be born, then he should anti-up some of his gold to feed the starving, house the homeless, and heal the sick. Their hospitals make a fortune off insurance companies so there's no loss there. The Pope has a responsibility to give up his coffers to help the world...but that won't happen. Instead he relies on the good faith of nuns around the world to do the work without enough money to take care of people who need and force the nuns to languish in jails, or be killed in foreign countries because the Catholic church supports the regimes of fear and money power in many places.
I love my Catholic sisters who work for peace and justice, but they are trying to function within a system that is as greedy and ugly as AmeriKKKa.
And about this contraception thing...why would women accept the premise that does NOT exist anywhere in the Bible, but has been deemed true by a bunch of questionably celibate men? I think the spilled seed part should be reviewed for men. No more masturbation boys...you are spilling seed...and no more bj's either. Turn this whole church thing on the men's parts and see how they like it.
Let me help you OUT...
http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2012/01/20/jill-stein-and-rocky-anderson-stand-with-occupy-the-courts-protest/
jillstein.org voterocky.org
Not too many years back I remember the mantra from the religious right was "It doesn't mean Freedom From Religion," regarding the Constitution. Their meaning being that no one is free to be a non-believer. Having gotten that view pretty much imbedded in peoples' minds, they moved on to the next step - and then the next.
This contraceptive issue is the foot in the door to their taking it to the Supreme Court of Catholicism, where, like how the court did whatever it took to rule corporations the right to take over the government with their unlimited contributions as "people," they can now rule for freedom of religion in all public places, which is the goal of these people.
I have a brochure and letter sent to my mother after she was pulled into a fundamentalist church in the time she was struggling after my father died. This mailing came in the 1970s, from The American Center for Law and Justice, and of course a letter asking for money because they didn't charge their church clients.
In one paragraph it states this law center "is working to protect your precious First Amendment freedoms every day. Nationwide, we are fighting for your freedom to express your deeply held religious beliefs -- in the schools, in public buildings and parks, for 'peaceful' protest against abortion, in the workplace, for a free press, and in the church itself."
Next paragraph says: "Religious cleansing is real. It is taking place all across America. It is dangerous. It can cause irreparable long-term damage to this nation if it is not confronted now and defeated."
While they yell that we're trying to do away with religion, they're in essense on a non-religion cleansing crusade to deny those who don't believe their way, our rights.
Excellent & interesting array of comments on today's expansion of this thread.
Bill Moyers, you are a National Treasure!
What role does religion play in civilized culture? Can a State operate without standing on a firm and an equitable system of belief? How does Religion function within the law? And can land be possessed without there being a common belief system?
Social culture has three aspects: the fundamental belief system about the world, the body of laws and the authority to possess the land. Any and every belief about the world is a religious position because that belief determines the common understanding on which the society stands. The common understanding allows the law to function according to the Rules of Law which can be applied by the State to those whose actions deviate from the social norm. The authority to possess land operates as a personal right which will be enforced by the courts of law. While you might exclaim that your State has no Religious position in fact your culture is inherently religious.
A problem of the modern age, causing you to debate these topics without solution, is that the world has drawn in on itself and become smaller than when the Nation-State paradigm began extending itself and so, you might consider that the common beliefs of 1776 no longer apply. What worried your Founders about the conflicts over how to interpret the Bible, as Catholicism or Protestantism, has evolved into the broader conflict between Islam, Christianity and of course, the Religion of No-Religion. It should be noted that all three of these major world Faiths expect to be resolved into one Religion by the advent of Jesus Christ.
When you separated from the British Crown it severed the inherent and the explicit belief system that is derived from Eurasian history which had over the ages established that Synagogues and Churches and Mosques provided the institutional connection to Heaven which guided that world. What remained then, for your people to abide by in identifying reasons why half of the American continent would be possessed by you?
The answer in 1776 was that no religion would be applied by the State.
We suggest that your discussion is now becoming geo-politically irrelevant since history is rapidly eclipsing the Nation State. It seems apparent that world order will either collapse or evolve into a single global Community. How will we form a common global understanding capable of uniting all of the people on the Planet?
We point to the prophecies of Jesus Christ, saying the world will be brought into His Kingdom after just such a social collapse as is impending. That belief is the penultimate religious position.
We are interested in your quandary because it seems to us that the issues you discuss all arise out of your uncertainty about reality, which uncertainty prevails because of the position taken against Religion. In Canada it is unconstitutional as well, for the State to advance or retard any religious conduct. But Canada still has its religious institutional context built in within the Crown, which we say is the Crown that Christ will don upon appearing.
We pose these question to you: will Jesus Christ come with a religious message? Or will we hear from him that all of our modern knowledge is nonsense? Will the Lord teach us how to be a world community with a monist belief system?
The Common Law already does promote HIS social model in the form of our many 'legal' freedoms and His rights in all the land in the World will allow the world's people to share their world together, possessing their land as parts of their World, not as portions of parts of the Planet all following their own interests and desires.
We are not necessarily advocating these ideas but do believe they are about to become our common understanding.
Here's another thing that we convict-descended sinners from the Land Down Under can't understand.
Y'see, to our poor unenlightened minds, the phrase "Freedom of Religion" necessarily includes the freedom to have NO religion.
Yet such is the hold on American minds of this toxic belief in invisible friends that no public figure and no public mouthpiece in the US is willing to defend the right of atheists and agnostics not to be subjected to constant propagandizing or harassment by god-botherers or protect them from having to jump hurdles to be considered worthy members of society.
Rather like the US client states of the Gulf, Afghanistan under the mujahedin who 'freed' the country from the 'Evil Empire' of the USSR, or what Libya, Egypt and Syria will be like under the 'moderating influence' of the muslim brotherhood, don't ya think?
This is all about the christian taliban trying to impose christian sharia law on everyone else. Such despicable hypocrites!
I do not understand why anyone in the anti-big PHRMA group would even be in favor of a pill in the name of women's "health" that is anything but that. Once again, the Republicans are trying to shore up votes from the Catholics because they use unborn babies to win elections. I am pro-life and it is one of the biggest reasons I vote Democrat...
In characteristic Moyer's fashion, the words are well crafted but obfuscate the truth. First of all, this is not a partisan issue as he asserts. Our president is in essence a poitical animal, and as with all political animals, party notwithstanding, they are guided by what may be popularized to support their personal agenda. Obama didn't offer this "compromise" because of Catholic bishops, but because a host of his own party in Congress refused to support the original initiative and he knew he couldn't get it through. Secondly, not only is it not a partisan issue, it is not a Catholic issue. The proposed order cuts across religious lines of anyone, believer or not, who contends for the sanctity of human life. One need not be religious at all to resist a government order that may facilitate the death of the unborn, and it is the nature of government to place itself in authoritarian position over individual rights and demand compliance. Hence, it is not freedom of OR from religion, but freedom itself that is at stake with this burgeoning STATE under our current President's agenda. Ultimately, this whole issue is about responsibility, and whose it is or should be regarding "reproductive rights." To say that it is an employer's responsibility to provide contraceptives surely misplaces that role. To say that either an employer or a provider do that for "free" is laughable...someone pays for everything somewhere. And for a government to require anyone, whether Democrat/Republican/Independent, Catholic/Protestant/None of the above, corporation/small business/private citizen to obey an order that viiolates the essence of moral value and of every American's right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," ought somehow to awaken whatever last shreds of dignity and statemanship in our nation, and particularly in our leadership, such that decisions are made in light of a higher law than that of HHS.
"One need not be religious at all to resist a government order that may facilitate the death of the unborn,"
This particular issue is not about "facilitating the death of the unborn", it is about contraception, or do you have a problem with that, too?
I think many do if it involves killing the unborn.
Please explain how contraception - the prevention of conception - involves killing the unborn ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8&feature=colike
every sperm is...
LOL Pre-cisely! I was going to suggest that might be IMT's thinking, but i thought i would wait and see ...
Of course, in the usual fashion, the egg is ignored - I suppose that's because in order to conceive an omelet, one of them must be cracked ...
What the President really did was to dictate to private companies that they will offer a service and offer it for free.
Please tell me where in the Constitution the President is afforded that power.
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There is a field out beyond the ideas of good and evil. I'll meet you there. -Rumi
Is it not a violation of a person's liberty and freedom of religion and conscious if that person disagrees with contraception but the government takes their money from them by force (via taxes) and them uses that same money to pay for the contraception of another via 'universal health care?' If a person wants contraception, he/she can (and still do - as Mr Obama is giving the Catholics a year to comply) pay for it themselves at a place that wants to sell it. In this no one's freedoms or conscious are violated. Plus Bill Moyer speaks as if the new Universal Health Care put recently in place by a partisan, minority effort is (and always has been) the norm. His point of view might become mute if either the supreme court agrees that the government does not have constitutional authority to force its citizens to purchase health care, or contraception, or if a new president and government is elected and reverses universal health care. Moyer's use of statistics is skewed. Saying that 99% of Catholic women have used contraception is not the same as saying 99% (now) agree ideologically with its use, or use it currently (although it might not be surprising to find that a majority of women, both Catholic and non-Catholic agree with it or use it – does this still mean that those who object should pay for it for others?). It is like the difference between saying that 99% of men have at some time in the past looked at pornography. Does this mean that they currently "use" it, or that they ideologically agree with it or its use.
I disagree, on moral grounds, with a lot of what my country does with my tax money, making war, for example - so why don't we have a check off box on our tax return of what we want our money used for? I suspect there are a few things you might want that i certainly wouldn't - like subsidizing abstinence only programs, maybe?
Obamacare ain't "universal health care" - don't worry, there still will be a lot of people who won't have insurance and who will suffer and die for lack of it ...
The question isn't whether they "ideologically" agree with it - the question is do they have a right to it ....
Freedom of Religion
What role does religion play in civilized culture? Can a State operate without standing on a firm and an equitable system of belief? How does Religion function within the law? And can land be possessed without there being a common belief system?
Social culture has three aspects: the fundamental belief system about the world, the body of laws and the authority to possess the land. Any and every belief about the world is a religious position because that belief determines the common understanding on which the society stands. The common understanding allows the law to function according to the Rules of Law which can be applied by the State to those whose actions deviate from the social norm. The authority to possess land operates as a personal right which will be enforced by the courts of law. While you might exclaim that your State has no Religious position in fact your culture is inherently religious.
A problem of the modern age, causing you to debate these topics without solution, is that the world has drawn in on itself and become smaller than when the Nation-State paradigm began extending itself and so, you might consider that the common beliefs of 1776 no longer apply. What worried your Founders about the conflicts over how to interpret the Bible, as Catholicism or Protestantism, has evolved into the broader conflict between Islam, Christianity and of course, the Religion of No-Religion. It should be noted that all three of these major world Faiths expect to be resolved into one Religion by the advent of Jesus Christ.
When you separated from the British Crown it severed the inherent and the explicit belief system that is derived from Eurasian history which had over the ages established that Synagogues and Churches and Mosques provided the institutional connection to Heaven which guided that world. What remained then, for your people to abide by in identifying reasons why half of the American continent would be possessed by you?
The answer in 1776 was that no religion would be applied by the State.
We suggest that your discussion is now becoming geo-politically irrelevant since history is rapidly eclipsing the Nation State. It seems apparent that world order will either collapse or evolve into a single global Community. How will we form a common global understanding capable of uniting all of the people on the Planet?
We point to the prophecies of Jesus Christ, saying the world will be brought into His Kingdom after just such a social collapse as is impending. That belief is the penultimate religious position.
We are interested in your quandary because it seems to us that the issues you discuss all arise out of your uncertainty about reality, which uncertainty prevails because of the position taken against Religion. In Canada it is unconstitutional as well, for the State to advance or retard any religious conduct. But Canada still has its religious institutional context built in within the Crown, which we say is the Crown that Christ will don upon appearing.
We pose these question to you: will Jesus Christ come with a religious message? Or will we hear from him that all of our modern knowledge is nonsense? Will the Lord teach us how to be a world community with a monist belief system?
The Common Law already does promote HIS social model in the form of our many 'legal' freedoms and His rights in all the land in the World will allow the world's people to share their world together, possessing their land as parts of their World, not as portions of parts of the Planet all following their own interests and desires.
We are not necessarily advocating these ideas but do believe they are about to become our common understanding.
See: Physicians for a National Health Program
YES, SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE
Ted Kennedy: For me this is a season of hope -- new hope for a justice and fair prosperity for the many, and not just for the few — new hope.
And this is the cause of my life — new hope that we will break the old gridlock and guarantee that every American — north, south, east, west, young, old — will have decent, quality health care as a fundamental right and not a privilege.
I'VE HAD ENOUGH! In this Holy War on Religion, of Religion, and by Religion. I SURRENDER! I’m a lover, not a fighter. Instead... I’m gonna start my OWN religion, and get in on the good stuff: tax exemptions, and lots of taxpayer money to do what I want, in the name of religious liberty. Most definitely! Hey NEWT -wanna join? We’re gonna have open marriages and multiple wives and all SORTS of neat stuff that you’re just gonna love! But don’t you worry your little head Newt: we’ll have no -I repeat- NO nasty stoning of adulterers. None of that stuff. I Promise! As for SANTORUM, he just LOVES to tell other people how they should live. He’ll make us a REAL fine preacher-man. In fact, we’ll make him Saint Santorum. AND fix his Google search results! As for Mr. Obama, obviously, we’ll need to (severely) demonize him, even further. And his dog Toto too. Last but not least: MITT and RON. Hmmm. Hey, I know. Just for you two guys: if you join we’ll insist on NO TAXES AT ALL for church members…AND human sacrifice of illegal aliens. Out with their hearts! Televised! Live! Whoooppee! WHAT A COUNTRY! :-)
By the way, please don’t mention the REASON that Mitt Romney’s dad was born in Mexico (i.e. The fact that Mitt’s Mormon grand-dad left the United States in the 1880’s. He went to Mexico BECAUSE laws against polygamy were passed in the U.S. ; Being a Mormon back then, Mitt’s grand-dad wanted to keep his multiple wives. Hey, who wouldn’t?) Bottom line: if we follow the “logic” of the people crying crocodile tears about a non-existent “war on religion”, then the U.S. should have allowed polygamy (and who knows what else) just because a particular religion claimed it as their cherished belief. GIVE ME A BREAK!
Absolutely NO ONE is coming into our Churches or places of worship and trying to tell parishioners what to believe.....or forcing them to use contraception. BUT If the Bishops (and other denominations) want to continue running businesses that employ millions of people of varying faiths -or no "faith" at all- THEN they must play by the same rules and rights that other workers have and enjoy...especially if their businesses use our tax dollars (and skip paying taxes) in the process. This is not a “war on religion”. It’s a war on women and men who simply want to plan their families and control their future. Now that’s REAL religious liberty!
p. s. I come from a religious background. I know that their are MANY good people out there, in various faiths (and outside of those faiths); many good people searching for answers, for community, for a way....in this all-too-harsh world. There's only one thing I can say to you: think for yourself, be yourself, trust yourself. Don't just accept something because it comes from a "voice of authority". That’s why you have a conscience: to choose, not just to follow....
The U.S. of A. was founded on the basis of rejecting three kinds of tyranny:
Monarchy
Feudal lords
and
Theocracy
So, U.S. of A., how's that all been workin' for ya? ;->
I have left the Catholic church. The endless war against women by the church is unbearable and evil. I believe the only possibility of ending the church's war against women is for women, every single one of them, to leave the church. Something better will arise.