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What Is Morally Required?
In a high, trembling voice, Middlebury student Abigail Borah interrupted the UN climate change talks in Durban last week, shouting over US Climate Envoy Todd Stern until she was led away by guards. Why did she do it? "I've stopped settling for what is deemed 'politically feasible' by obstructionists and started asking for what is morally required and scientifically necessary," she explained later.
"No one is listening to you," the president of the session chided. Maybe not, but US leaders should be paying close attention to both the scientific and the moral arguments. Scientists have spoken clearly about what steps are necessary to prevent catastrophic climate change. What we need are equally clear and insistent ethical voices, telling why immediate action to prevent climate catastrophe is required of us as moral beings and as a moral nation.
Many times, the American people have created dramatic and rapid social change -- the War of Independence, the emancipation of the slaves, the mobilization during World War II, the civil rights movement. In every case, while economic and political considerations were undeniably at play, the change itself was powered by widespread public affirmation of great moral principles of justice and human decency. Action on the greatest of our challenges -- climate change -- will require the same moral resolve. The essential questions are not what is politically feasible or what is profitable, but what is right and what is deeply, devastatingly wrong.
So let us say it loud and clear: It's wrong to wreck the world. To take what we need for our comfortable lives and leave a ransacked and dangerously unstable world for the future is not worthy of us as moral beings. And when, to enrich a powerful few, rich nations threaten to disrupt forever the great hydrological and climatic cycles that support all the lives on Earth? This is moral monstrosity on a planetary scale. We have a responsibility, individual and collective, to leave a world as beautiful and life-sustaining as the world that has nourished us.
Why?
Here are three reasons.
One: to honor human rights. All people have a right to life, to liberty, even to the pursuit of happiness. Yet the material conditions that sustain life and permit the exercise of liberty will be undermined by the effects of climate change; the familiar short list includes catastrophes from destabilized economies to food and water shortages -- all the forces that wreck peoples' homes and hopes. Without quick action, climate change will create the greatest violation of human rights the world has ever seen. Sheila Watt-Cloutier, former International Chair of the Inuit Circumpolar Council, speaks of the effects of climate change on the Northern people: "These monumental changes absolutely threaten the memory of who we were, who we are, and all that we wish to be."
Two: to honor duties of justice. Those who spew carbon in the air for profit or convenience are reaping the benefits of their profligacy, even as they cast off the burdens on those least able to speak in their own defense -- children, future people, plants and animals, marginalized people everywhere. This is not fair. It violates the basic principle of equity, that benefits and burdens should be deserved, and the principle of retributive justice, that one person should not be punished for the wrongdoing of another.
The wrongful taking of the necessary conditions for thriving "is our shame," says ecologist Carl Safina. "Shame, because the unborn, who did not choose it, will come saddled with all conceivable consequences. Shame because the poor, who likewise did not choose it, will be hit first and foremost."
Three: to honor duties of compassion. "In matters of climate change, as in all our lives," Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu says, "our obligation is clear: we must do unto others as we would wish them to do unto us." Scientists give us the probable numbers -- numbers of wildfires, durations of drought, intensity of tropical storms, etc. Our moral imagination allows us to translate the numbers into the suffering of parents and children, and our capacity for empathy allows us to understand that the suffering is morally intolerable.
As science converges on a consensus about the dangers of climate change and as violent winds converge on villages, the moral and religious traditions of the world are converging too. We are called to act, they all tell us, for the sake of the children, for the sake of human survival, for the stewardship of divine creation, for the sake of compassion, for the sake of justice, for the rights of present and future generations, for the sake of human integrity -- and for the sake of the beautiful, beloved, life-sustaining Earth.
"The key thing is the sense of universal responsibility," says His Holiness, the Dalai Lama. "If our generations exploit everything -- the trees, the water, and the minerals -- without any care for the coming generations or the future, then we are at fault, aren't we."
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Show AllNice article.
Brings up thoughts about "Natural Law" and the Declaration of Independence. "...All men are created equal and endowed ... with unalienable rights...". Those rights apply to every human on the globe - not only US citizens.
AsI had posted elsewhere.
This is all so sad. As a nation, we no longer know what it means to be fully human. We no longer recognize the spiritual nature of our own humanness. We have relinquished the power of democratic citizenship to corrupt egomaniac leaders. As a consumer nation, we have been on a unsustainable consumer treadmill, incapable of spiritual discernment. The middle class ignored the poor. Because of this indifference, the vast majority of Americans may become one
step above the poor, as corporate surfs. As a nation, we have been totally entrenched within our own selfishness. We are mesmerized by new technology but remain the Planet of the Apes. Our complete reliance on technology to heal a broken world has taken away our ability to think. Our most important institutions, our churches and universities have been corrupted by the love of money and the dysfunctions of the human ego. This is what the monster of consumer capitalism feeds upon.
Recognizing the evil of the love of money and the dysfunction of the human ego goes to the root tenants of all the major religions of the world. But the institutions of religion have failed humankind because they are more concerned with the perpetuation of the exclusive nature of the institution rather than coming together in humility to heal the world. Religious Institutions, like most institutions, have an ego of their own
In a nutshell, Capitalism has made America stupid.
Hopefully, the OWS movement from below is part of a evolutionary shift in human consciousness, waking America up from our national delusions of greatness and empire. Our evolution as a species requires the recognition that we are truly spiritual beings waking up in our material bodies that has been imprisoned by the human ego.
That is an excellent essay you wrote although I am not quite sure that capitalism alone made USA stupid as is. Capitalism exists throughout Europe yet is regulated and allows for socialism for the people unlike the USA version of "socialism for the privileged only".
"...the vast majority of Americans may become one step above the poor..."
That's a very optimistic outlook Stephen. Actually, I think amerika is destined to become a bona fide third world nation.
"...the US has by far the most unequal distribution of income of any developed country in the world, and is actually worse than many 3rd world gangster states.”
From an interview with Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, former assistant secretary of the US Treasury.
Motivation is there...... sometimes spread too thinly among those unaware of The Peril. But it exists. The 1% for the most part are in denial and too busy scraping off the best of everything for themselves, and taking measures to protect their positions, that they have no foresight. Many are psychopaths anyway. Awareness among the 99% must be raised. It must become an issue.
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BTW, I love your sign name. dh
Corporate/government power and greed trump morality. It would take an enormous and overwhelming mass of very motivated people to change that, and most AmeriKans are so ambivalent or ignorant about catastrophic climate chaos (CCC), due very much to corporate media, that any mass movement to reverse CCC is impossible to even imagine.
what is morally required?
searched the whole article for the word 'sacrifice'...
not there...
infinitesimal wonder...
dubet, it's inherent.
hey, Art...
respectfully, I disagree...
to be more specific, I would need you to clarify your position, as I will mine...
are you claiming the concept of sacrifice is inherent to the human creature, or to the concept of morality?
I would argue against the former, but in favor of the latter, while continuing to suggest that, if we agree on this point, my issue would be with the omissions these authors make in their work...
do they believe sacrifice lies ahead? do they believe it inherent? why not say so?
to be completely clear, is not the very definition of a moral code the sacrifices one selects, among the many options, to make, or not make?
what else defines a person, but their choices in word and deed?
if we agree sacrifice lies ahead, the question becomes the nature of the sacrifice...
are we sacrificing electricity?
cars?
iPods?
property?
food produced elsewhere?
quantity or quality of food?
industry?
chemicals?
metals?
the planet?
sex?
children?
what?
it is time to flesh these things out, and quickly, as things are beginning to decline in exponential ways, with mass death of all life forms looming, due to nothing more than the warping of the delicate nature of life, and the altering of the intricate balances of conditions required...
the only thing that appears inherent to me, at this time, is the predilection for word over deed...
inevitable things appear, as well, such as drones...and chips...and oil all over...
a world in which terrible deeds are done, in automated fashion, regardless of word...
a world with a dramatically different atmosphere, and all that that implies...
a world with an acidic, oily, elevated and expanded ocean, and radioactivity permeating every crevice...
where natural nutrients can only be found by filtering out the vast majority of non...
as always, I offer but one light: a date upon which we might all begin to live in a new way, together, that we might not fear or suffer so, individually, the unknown future...
a way free of industry, energy and property...a way of local management of local resources...
odd that we have now arrived within my once-randomly-selected year, 2012...
I have suggested September 22, 2012, as this date...
I cannot see how maintaining even the smallest vestiges of our current existence, culminating in our mindset regarding delegation of authority/responsibility, allows for planetary survival...
we must turn off our world, and manage our remaining viable resources to the best of our common abilities...
dubet... I agree that some should sacrifice and some others should be acknowledged for having been sacrifing too much all along.... such as the man who died on a heating grate in Burlington recently. He died of hypothermia. Not enough compassion in Vermont. Too many have been 'sacrificed', while too many are unwilling to live more simply.
The constant question is, is it really good to have cell phones, dish washers, large houses, etc. It would help if consumers just refused to buy the latest electronic device. Let's start demanding a computer that will not become obsolete - how about a computer that would last for 10 or more years. Telephones used to last 'forever'. My phones (land line) are all many decades old.
I appreciate you finally bringing out the specifics which I found lacking in the comments and the Essay "What is Morally Required".. In your list of things we can sacrifice, I find it interesting that you did not include FLYING ON AIRPLANES (which I believe to be causing even more damage to the atmospher than cars, but I have to do research on this). Rarely do I hear flying mentioned when people talk about changing our lifestyles and consumption levels.
What may appear initially as a sacrifice can end up being very rewarding:
less personal debt (e.g. not flying saves a lot of money and keeps time and money investments inside your community); cleaner quieter cities; stronger and healthier communities and families. Many dirty, noisy industrial occupations could be replaced by truly productive/constructive/progressive occupations such as doctors, social workers, scientists, artists. (of course how to support these healthy occupations is the trick but it must be possible). e.g. For every 10 factory jobs an employer could be required to hire a healing person.
This was a travesty. I know it's all in a day's work for the almighty USA... Ulcered Sphincter of Ass-erica. Any one that followed the talks in Durban should be disgusted and alarmed at the rate and the chicanery with which the US is leading the world to destruction. If Capitalism doesn't kill us, Imperialism will and if that doesn't do the job, Mother Nature will sure finish us off. I wish I could say that we haven't earned it but I can't. Let the Righties or the Democrats or any and all other forms of flag-waving idiots try to fool her on that.
That was the fun part, pointing out the foibles of others. The hard part is to make a difference, the part left out. What's needed is a critical mass working for sane economic policies -- but that's work, not fun. So, to show real concern for Earth, balance the blathering with advocating the green tax shift and green subsidy shift. Check out geonomics. Then keep working.
You left out one of the strongest moral arguments I know; in the 70s, we were exhorted to "save the whale", or the elephant, or some other great mammal on the point of extinction.
Now WE are on the point of extinction. This is a shame, as we are the only species we know, or are ever likely to know, which exhibits some evidence of intelligence.
If we also add in the debt we owe to future people and to other species, the moral case is unassailable, other than by the utterly moral-less.
You're right, though; without the moral case, the science means next to nothing.
I'm going to make an uncomfortable suggestion in answer to this question. What is needed is direct, full spectrum resistance to the ongoing omnicide. There is no longer enough time to organize mass movements to demand change from within the system. Mass movements working within the system have had little or no success in stopping the destruction anyhow.
The omnicidal action of industrial civilization needs to be met head on, with force. By all means we need to keep trying above ground strategies such as lawsuits, propaganda, electoral action and civil disobedience. Perhaps they might actually, one day, perhaps, work, if only as focal points of organization for committed envronmentalists seeking a more ethical way of life. And perhaps, given an underground resistance committed to armed struggle, the goals of
aboveground groups might suddenly seem more acceptable to the ruling elite.
But we have reached the point where to construe the climate movement as implicitly non-violent is largely to accede to the murder of every living thing on the planet, including billions of people, in the name of profit and economic growth. Non-violence is a tactic. It's not a religion. If the climate movement wants to save the earth, and the billions of people who will die from a business-as-usual approach to carbon-based energy, we need to employ the full range of tactics for creating social and political change.
This is not a comfortable thing to suggest on a national venue under my own name. But it's a conclusion that should be well-nigh irresistible to anyone who's paying attention..
It's a sad day Will, since I've been committed to non-violence for as long as I can remember; but I must admit I'm beginning to share your viewpoint.
Richard William Posner.
ColdWarBaby -- Most people who favor non-violence favor it as a means short of the ultimate means, which they think is violence. Non-violence is peaceful, relatively cheap, polite, and of course does not involve extreme bloodshed. So by all means, it should be tried; but when push comes to shove, violence is the answer.
On the other hand, people truly committed to non-violence favor it because it is more powerful than violence. They believe the advances made by humankind have all resulted from non-violent action, while violence, such as wars and oppression, has suppressed moral and political progress.
The big picture on climate change discussion is that the people like myself, who believe in non-violence, but also believe that drastic steps are needed to curb GHG's, are being urged toward violence by what I would call the "gloom and doom" faction, which is amply represented here on CD. Resort to violence will impede progress against global warming.
Non violence is not necessarily peaceful, not necessarily inexpensive, and most certainly not polite. Non violence is powerful, forceful, courageous, in-your-face, resistance. It takes much more strength to face violence with non violence than to give into the natural urge to respond to violence with violence.
If you begin non violent protest with your lame notation that it is only going to be of use until the violence begins, than you have already lost because it will take very little to push your bottoms so that you respond to violence with violence. When the powers that be succeed in provoking a violent response, they win, you loose.
You may not be cut out for such courageous action. It is a challenging road to travel and not for the faint of heart.
alanl -- Excellent comment. My post was a little misleading in suggesting that non-violence is peaceful, etc. I was describing it the way those who believe violence is the ultimate answer tend to view it.
Will Watson capably lays out the argument accepted by believers in the ultimate power of violence. My answer, which probably won't be accepted, is that non-violence wasn't really used to defeat Hitler, for example. We'll never know if the kind of intelligent, creative non-violence MLK and Ghandi employed would have worked against Hitler, and incidentally saved 40 million or so lives that were lost by the resort to violence. With MLK's birthday coming up, I hope people will ponder this. I fear that the vast majority out walking and praising King secretly think the way Will Watson does.
And exactly what "progress against global warming" is it that violence will impede? 2010 was a record year for GHG emissions. I must have missed that "progress" that was made.
And from where I stand--where the head economist of the IEA just warned we were on the path for 11F warming--hope is an improper response. Today another 200 species went extinct. Nothing the climate movement has tried will stop this culture from completely destroying this planet, the only one we've got.
Another thing that non-violence is not is "necessarily effective". I'm not saying violence is the only solution. What I am saying is that neither is non-violence. We need to stop the planetary ecocide. How we do it is seems increasingly less important than that it gets done. The powers that be have made peaceful change impossible, thus making violent revolt inevitable. But the system itself practices violence every day as a matter of course.
By the way, Hitler was not stopped by non-violence. Neither was the genocidal American war in Vietnam. Nor was slavery in the USA. Hell, the Civil Rights movement in the USA triumphed over its foes in part because the organized violence of the state was brought to bear against the segregationists. And Martin Luther King was known to point out that violent revolt was waiting in the wings if the racists didn't want to deal with him. I'm sorry, your analysis simply doesn't account for history.
Compared to the damage that corporate-directed ecocide is doing to the planet, the damage done by segregation, slavery, US aggression in Vietnam and even Hitler is miniscule. Study war. To everything there is a season.
I think 'moral being' is key. It's a power only humans have, and it's mostly discarded in favor of ideology or corrupted by the darkness of greed and authority.
When will we ever learn? Gerard Manley Hopkins, long before the word ecology was invented, mourned the mistreatment of the environment in his moving poem, Binsey Poplars:
Felled 1879
MY aspens dear, whose airy cages quelled,
Quelled or quenched in leaves the leaping sun,
All felled, felled, are all felled;
Of a fresh and following folded rank
Not spared, not one
That dandled a sandalled
Shadow that swam or sank
On meadow and river and wind-wandering weed-winding bank.
O if we but knew what we do
When we delve or hew—
Hack and rack the growing green!
Since country is so tender
To touch, her being só slender,
That, like this sleek and seeing ball
But a prick will make no eye at all,
Where we, even where we mean
To mend her we end her,
When we hew or delve:
After-comers cannot guess the beauty been.
Ten or twelve, only ten or twelve
Strokes of havoc únselve
The sweet especial scene,
Rural scene, a rural scene,
Sweet especial rural scene.
We're NOT going to learn. We're going to be made extinct. That's the point. Got it?
I love poetry as much as anyone--especially Hopkins--but a melancholy-tinged Victorian elegy to some lost aspens is not a useful response to planetary deforestation.
This is not a time for sadness. It's a time for rage. For sharp, withering scorn, moral clarity and indomitable purpose. Earth needs us to stop killing her. She needs us to stop the killers.
"the War of Independence, the emancipation of the slaves, the mobilization during World War II, the civil rights movement"
The war for independence, thriggered by tax-dodging, slave-owning plutocrats who tortured and abused those loyalist civilians who opposed them.
The emancipation of the slaves; William Wilberforce beat the USA to it by about 70 years and the British Navy was attacking slaver strongholds in Africa in the early 1800s.
The mobilisation in WW2. Only when Japan forced the USA into it, after the USA had bled the UK dry for 2 years and 4 months.
Civl Rights movement. A bit slow there too, if I recall.
Just another view of the USA's history. Sorry. But you have a nice Constitution. Pity it doesn't work any more, as its destruction will lead others elsewhere to do the same with our civil liberties.
The data indicates that we are experiencing global warming. And I believe that increased levels of Carbon Dioxide have contributed to it.
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What I am not sure about is whether elimination of fossil fuels will be sufficient to stop the increase in Carbon Dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere. Farm land does not sequester carbon to the same degree as natural habitat. A significant portion of our current population is starving or suffering from malnutrition and it is estimated that we will have 3 billion more by 2050. Certainly we will need more farm land to adequately feed all these people.
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If we attempt to replace fossil fuels with bio-fuels even more natural habitat will be destroyed. A shift towards organic farming to eliminate agricultural pollution would require even more land because of decreased yields. I mention this because of recent articles about agricultural pollution killing off coral reefs and other aquatic life that converts carbon dioxide into limestone.
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The other question I have has to do with how much more serious the problem is going to get. I have seen charts on the web that seem to indicate that 100% of the energy, in the wavelengths associated with carbon dioxide, is already being absorbed. If true, this would mean that higher levels of carbon dioxide would not increase global warming. I have uploaded one of these charts and you can see it at https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1I7g2POBssZ2lPfc-XyjyWKT-N7B7cLENm5wIkPGOky4
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I would really appreciate it if somebody could direct me to a site where scientists who are proponents of global warming and the reduction of fossil fuels have addressed these two issues and taken them into account.
I would like to add a fourth reason to complete this powerful moral and ethical statement:
Fourth: To honor our responsibility to our planet Earth and to the myriads of other beings who share it with us. Humans own neither the Earth nor its creatures. We are fellow passengers with our evolutionary destination unknown. We all benefit from this beautiful world and have a responsibility to it and our fellow creatures to not degrade, but to maintain it.
it's 3:23 in the morning
and I'm awake
because my great great grandchildren
won't let me sleep
my great great grandchildren
ask me in dreams
what did you do while the planet was plundered?
what did you do when the earth was unraveling?
surely you did something
when the seasons started failing?
as the mammals, reptiles, birds were all dying?
did you fill the streets with protest?
when democracy was stolen?
what did you do
once
you
knew?...
- Drew Dellenger, "Hieroglyphic Stairway"
Thank you. I've been thinking for some time now that we need far fewer cerebral disquisitions on the perils of climate change and some very direct, simple and ultimately personal statements of what confronts us. This poem does it for me.
There is something about the undertaking of this article, on the other hand, that's eerily nonhuman. A no-brainer that it's wrong to continue to knowingly, deliberately and with malice aforethought kill the earth; but to have to be told why? Isn't that on a par with providing moral arguments against summarily and casually doing away with other human beings? (As though there were also perfectly reasonable arguments in favor of doing so?)
'Morality' can be a sticky wicket. In my experience, it's the courageous stuff of folks who, similar to Abigail Borah, exercise deep sincerity and the courage of one's convictions. You know: "If [you] don't stand for something, [you'll] fall for anything." Status quo is easy.
MK Gandhi's seven human 'blunders' that cause all violence in the world come to mind. My sense is that if one agrees with Gandhi, 'ethics' would be non-participation in these human blunders--which would be both a choice and commitment:
wealth without work
knowledge without character
worship without sacrifice
science without humanity
commerce without morality
pleasure without conscience
politics without principles
Grandson Arun Ghandi added an 8th: rights without responsibilities
Not content with throwing Christian preachers at us to claim OWS as their own about once/week, we're now getting a teaspoonful of Dalai Lama to wash it down.
Is there anyone is this forum with enough cash to buy the carbon offsets for the DL's jetsetting lifestyle? Is anyone remotely familiar with the educational and gender-based opportunities available to Tibetans under the Chinese as opposed to under the monks? Is anyone remotely familiar with the the violent history (even recent) of the intra-monk jockeying for position to be the feudal lords of Tibet, the top 10% of that society who reserved literacy and most other rights for themselves (screw the peasants), who hold women to be unclean and a lower form of life? Is anyone remotely familiar with the ongoing monk sex abuse scandal which mirrors the Catholic one to an absurd degree?
Is there any religious leader who isn't totally and completely full of it? And yet in article after article even on the liberal sites we get religion and morality conflated.
How does the spiritual leader of the following group get the parting word in what is morally necessary? http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
Thanks for saying what I was thinking that once again "we get religion and morality conflated."
I'm an average guy who barely understands right from wrong, but I see a country that sends robot-planes to bomb women and children. I see the ineffectual liberal elite who sit in their ivory towers and want a piece of the 99% action to feel relevant, but they don't actually like the smell and uncouthness of the poor. In their isolated splendor they speak of duty and honor, the common words of war. If you want to change the world, you have to reach the average man -- and you just ain't cutting it. Now that I've had my say, I can't even recall what you said, that's how pointless you are. I hate the smell of superiority in the morning, it reeks of false victory.
If you understand right from wrong, even barely, then you are hardly an average man.
Homo Sapiens had become to strong for its own good ;-)! WE are over 7 billions and growing even more... However, Gaia will self-regulate and we may eventually become a species to be rid of ;-)!
Stop bitching about AMERICA! US is still a GREAT country where even morons who suggest its dismissal are free to express their inane opinions ;-)! EVERYBODY wants to live like Americans and China is now number ONE CO2 emissions producer with India catching up! So stop bitching about US and see what you can do for your country IF you are an American.
For starters you can stop driving your car, if it is not electric and if you get your electricity from a power plant that burns fossil fuels. For second, get off the grid, by collecting solar and wind energy that falls on your roof or back yard.
Third, collect your rain water which can supply over 90% of your water needs. Do not expect government to make US sustainable, but YOU can do your part by doing rather then talking about global climate change and bitching about US government.
"Scientists have spoken clearly about what steps are necessary to prevent catastrophic climate change. What we need are equally clear and insistent ethical voices, telling why immediate action to prevent climate catastrophe is required of us as moral beings and as a moral nation."
We do have ethical voices telling us that. But they're not being listened to. One reason is that scientists have told us there's a big problem, but not "clearly" what possible steps will prevent catastrophic climate change. Moreover, exactly what will happen if the steps aren't taken isn't clear, either. This lack of clarity or certainty is part of the problem. The War of Independence, emancipation of the slaves, World War II, and the civil rights movement all involved objectives, and means toward accomplishing those objectives, that were clear and easy to understand.
I'm optimistic. The scientific consensus isn't that our world will come to an end in the next decade or two if certain steps are not taken. If scientists knew that, they wouldn't be conducting further studies and debating the nuances of climate change. When the scientific consensus tightens, with regard to both what will happen and what steps humans can take to meliorate the damage, the ethical arguments will take hold. To that end, strong support for study of climate change is imperative. Also, because the progress of science isn't as rapid as we would like, patience, not panic, should prevail.
I've noticed in comments like yours, Manning, that the Koch Brothers approach to climate change denial is now softer & gentler, resembling a mild mannered attorney who just plants "reasonable" doubts posed as Everyman's questions.
Your logic belongs in a cesspool. There is a grave scientific consensus, but the remedies require political will. With politics controlled by financial elites who see profit as holy, and human life as cheap, the muscle is not in place to craft law that would actually do something constructive about the ominous facts of climate chaos. It's like not telling all the people in the lower cabins of the sinking Titanic that there simply are not enough lifeboats to go around. Better to let them think they're "free" to just keep watching T.V.
Also, James Hansen made it abundantly clear that if the Tar Sands project gets underway, it will effectively mean GAME OVER for mankind.
The rising methane levels are also VERY troubling, and they represent a new glitch in the previous climate models. One unanticipated factor (as Mother Nature manages thousands of ecosystems) feeds off another to amplify the nature and speed of the various tipping points.
Your post is disingenous. Shame on you.
That's right Rosie baby, the massive arctic methane release is being shunted aside. Some say it's the result of seismic activity, others say it's anaerobic bacteria. No matter, it's the beginning of runaway, irreversible planet over-heating. Methane is 70 times stronger than CO2 in the first 20 years. Help spread the word. A lot of people respect and admire you. Even if these guys are only half-right, it's still way over the top. Here are some links.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/vast-methane-plumes-seen-in-arctic-ocean-as-sea-ice-retreats-6276278.html
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http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/April11/GasDrillingDirtier.html
Siouxrose -- You forgot to mention where I was wrong.
Anyway, I'll bet you eventually my point of view will be vindicated. Meanwhile, you might want to measure your words in terms of how they will go over with the millions of people who still either deny GW entirely or deny that humans can do anything to stop it.
P.S. I set aside time to research some of the points in your post. (I have to admit feeling a little p.o.’d to be called insincere and dishonest (or even “disingenuous”) every time I state my climate change views on CD.)
I think the following quotations from Hansen are fair (my emphasis):
“. . . if emissions from coal are phased out OVER THE NEXT FEW DECADES and if unconventional fossil fuels including tar sands are left in the ground, it is conceivable to stabilize earth's climate. . . . Phasing out emissions from coal is itself an enormous challenge. However, if the tar sands are thrown into the mix, it is essentially GAME OVER. There is no practical way to capture the CO2 emitted while burning oil, which is used principally in vehicles. . . . we cannot get back to a safe CO2 level if all coal is used without carbon capture or if unconventional fossil fuels, like tar sands are exploited.” http://huff.to/jvqdcK
“Rapid reduction of fossil fuel emissions is required for humanity to succeed in preserving a planet resembling the one on which civilization developed.” http://arxiv.org/abs/1105.0968
If you have something better, I’d be glad to see it. Hansen doesn’t say that destruction of the globe equivalent to a massive asteroid collision will occur this century absent drastic action to prevent global warming. He says we have “the next few decades” to phase out use of coal, provided that we leave tar sands in the ground. By “game over,” he seems, in my opinion, to be saying that we can’t “get back to a safe CO2 level” if “unconventional fossil fuels, like tar sands are exploited,” even if coal use is stopped in “the next few decades.” I don’t know what he thinks will happen if we don’t get CO2 in the atmosphere down to “a safe level.” His comment on this is an example of scientists being uncertain or unclear about the effects of warming. I don’t mean to be critical of them. They just don’t yet have the ability to be as accurate about the weather in the next 100 years as they can be, for example, about next summer’s weather.
(Hansen also is a little careless. Nothing could ever bring back “a planet resembling the one on which civilization developed.” Maybe he meant a planet with a climate resembling the climate when civilization developed.)
I also researched the Koch brothers, who always come up when I comment on CD about climate change. I never before researched their position (let alone got any money from them!). David Koch seems to be the most prominent opponent of what he calls “alarmists.” He subscribes to the following: “Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. On the contrary it makes crops and forests grow faster. We exhale carbon dioxide.” http://bit.ly/fDMrRt
This is nonsense. I’m unaware of claims by people like you that CO2 is a pollutant. If CO2 is, so is water, because too much of it can kill you (in all sorts of ways, including ingestion). Ridiculous.
Koch is skeptical about anthropogenic Global Warming, and thinks a warmer planet would be good because "[t]he Earth will be able to support enormously more people because a far greater land area will be available to produce food." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H._Koch
This I find highly questionable. I believe the scientific consensus is overwhelmingly that loss from warming would exceed gain. However, adaptation to warming could involve cultivating new areas (as well as making more efficient use of areas degraded by the effects of warming, not mentioned in the quotation). It would be unwise, in my opinion, to ignore that option.
“To kick off the New Year, Koch Industries published on January 1, 2010, a piece titled ‘Blowing Smoke’ in its Discovery Newsletter. ‘We are often told our planet will be devastated unless we immediately make drastic reductions in man-made greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions,’ the piece contends. Then it levels the bogus charge: ‘ Rather than encouraging open and honest scientific enquiry and debate about the issue, climate extremists are trying to shout down any and all dissenters.’” http://bit.ly/gVBQIY
With regard to “We are often told . . .”, I agree that some people tell us the planet will be devastated “unless we immediately make drastic reductions” in GHG’s. Can you fault me on that? I think there’s some truth to the so-called “bogus charge.” I’ve experienced people here on CD who’ve stated it’s time to lock up anyone who dissents from their views, and certainly it’s not worth trying to discuss the issues with such persons. This bothers me. Persons on the “scientific consensus” side of the issue who don’t tolerate dissent from their global warming views play into the hands of people like the Koch brothers who, notwithstanding their ridiculous and highly questionable views, are clearly winning the public debate. I’ve had a lot of experience debating climate change with conservatives, who were very antagonistic to my views. However, they didn’t challenge my right to express my views.
Finally, the recent results of Igor Semiletov of the 8th joint US-Russia cruise of the East Siberian Arctic seas suggest that more attention is urgently needed to arctic seabed methane release, including scientific observation and study.
Manning, I read your post and I do not believe that you are one of those who would deny global warming. Yes, solutions to address the issue need to come forth and scientists who are not being listened to should be listened to. It is a sad fact that in the USA, creativity has been stifled to death. There are probably plenty of young geniuses with interesting solutions. Yet, their ideas are either ignored or bought out by phony patents. As for those who say that the planet is doomed, I agree up to a point. The planet is only doomed if good solutions are not given a chance and profit over caring remains dominant.
P.S.: I have enjoyed reading your posts all these years on CD and am glad to see you return. Happy New Year.
JenniferBedingfield -- Happy new year to you! And the same to everyone on CD, even those who think I'm disingenuous, or worse.
She mentioned where your reasoning is wrong: "There is grave scientific consensus.". That includes defining the problem and as to what the solutions are.
Though, must add, denial is not a form of reasoning. Denial can only be maintained with the suppression of conscious reasoning.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the corporate states of America. And to the conglomeration, for which it stands, one nation, under many CEOs, always divisible, with liberty and privilege for some.
Nice article but corporations, althought they are persons, still have no capacity for moral and ethical reasoning.