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Urging Obama to Stop Rush to Iran War
A torrent of war propaganda against Iran is flooding the American political scene as U.S. neocons and Israeli hardliners see an opening for another war in the Middle East
President Obama needs to put an abrupt halt to the game of Persian Roulette about to spin out of control in the Persian Gulf. If we were still on active duty at the CIA, this is what we would tell him:
This informal memorandum addresses the escalating game of chicken playing out in the waters off Iran and the more general issue of what can be done to put the exaggerated threat from Iran in some kind of perspective.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu meeting with President Barack Obama at the White House in 2009In keeping with the informality of this memo and our ethos of speaking truth to power, we may at times be rather blunt. If we bring you up short, consider it a measure of the seriousness with which we view the unfolding of yet another tragic mistake.
The stakes are quite high, and as former intelligence analysts with no axes to grind, we want to make sure you understand how fragile and volatile the situation in the Gulf has become.
We know you are briefed regularly on the play by play, and we will not attempt to replicate that. Your repeated use of the bromide that “everything is on the table,” however, gives us pause and makes us wonder whether you and your advisers fully recognize the implications, if hostilities with Iran spin out of control.
You have the power to stop the madness, and we give you some recommendations on how to lessen the likelihood of a war that would be to the advantage of no one but the arms merchants.
If your advisers have persuaded you that hostilities with Iran would bring benefit to Israel, they are badly mistaken. In our view, war with Iran is just as likely in the longer term to bring the destruction of Israel, as well as vast areas of Iran — not even to mention the disastrous consequences for the world economy, of which you must be aware.
Incendiary (but false) claims about how near Iran is to having a nuclear weapon are coming “fast and furious,” (and are as irresponsible as that ill-fated project of giving weapons to Mexican drug dealers).
In our view, the endless string of such claims now threaten to migrate from rhetoric to armed clashes to attempted “regime change,” as was the case nine years ago on Iraq. You know, we hope, that influential — but myopic — forces abound who are willing to take great risk because they believe such events would redound to the benefit of Israel. We make reference, of course, to the reckless Likud government in Israel and its equally reckless single-issue supporters here at home.
Inept Advisers
Judging by recent performance, your foreign policy and military advisers, including the top generals now in place, appear unable to act as sensible counterweights to those who think that, by beginning hostilities with Iran, they will help Israel do away with a key regional rival.
You are not stuck with such advisers. You’re the President; you deserve better. You need some people close to you who know a lot more about the outside world.
You may wish to think also about how the recent remarks of Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Martin Dempsey, during an interview with the Washington Post’s Greg Jaffe, reflect on the chairman’s acumen in the strategic matters in which he has been immersed for decades.
In the interview with Jaffe, Dempsey referred to his 20-year involvement with Iraq (where he made his mark) and, according to Jaffe, Dempsey acknowledged that “he and his Army did not fully understand the nature of the conflict they were fighting.”
Jaffe quotes a particularly telling lament by Dempsey: “People say, ‘For God’s sakes, you were a two-star general. How could you say you didn’t understand?’ … I don’t know how I can say it, but I lived it. And I mean it.”
Suffice it to say that there are serious questions as to how much Gen. Dempsey understands about Iran and whether his meteoric rise to Chairman of the JCS is due more to the crisp salute with which he greets any idea voiced by those above him.
Discussing last week the possibility of military action against Iran, Dempsey said, “The options we are developing are evolving to a point that they would be executable, if necessary.” He added that his “biggest worry is that (Iranians) will miscalculate our resolve.”
That’s not our biggest worry. Rather it is that Dempsey and you will miscalculate Iran’s resolve. We haven’t a clue as to what, if anything, the Chairman is telling you on that key issue. Our distinct impression, however, is that you cannot look to him for the kind of stand-up advice you got from his predecessor, Adm. Mike Mullen.
The consummate military professional, Mullen pointed to the military and strategic realities — and the immense costs — associated with a war with Iran, which in turn buttressed those who successfully withstood pressure from President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for war with Iran.
Dempsey = No Mullen
During the Bush administration, Mullen argued strongly that there would be no way a “preventive war” against Iran would be worth the horrendous cost. He did all he could to scuttle the idea.
Mullen was among those senior officials who forced Bush and Cheney to publish the unclassified Key Judgments of the November 2007 National Intelligence Estimate on Iran’s nuclear program — the NIE that judged “with high confidence that in the fall of 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program.”
As Bush and Vice President Cheney have since acknowledged, that drove an iron rod through the wheels of the juggernaut then rolling off to war with Iran. And, as you know, that judgment still stands despite Herculean efforts to fudge it.
In his memoir, Decision Points, Bush, complains bitterly that, rather than being relieved by the surprising news that Iran had stopped its nuclear weapons program in late 2003, he was angry that the news “tied my hands on the military side.”
In January 2008, Bush flew to Israel to commiserate with senior Israeli officials who were similarly bitter at the abrupt removal of a casus belli. Tellingly, in his book Bush added this lament:
“But after the NIE, how could I possible explain using the military to destroy the nuclear facilities of a country the intelligence community said had no active nuclear weapons program?”
Israel’s Last Chance, Until Now
The new estimate on Iran did not stop the Israelis from trying. And in mid-2008, they seemed to be contemplating one more try at provoking hostilities with Iran before Bush and Cheney left office.
This time, with Bush’s (but not Cheney’s) support, Mullen flew to Israel to tell Israeli leaders to disabuse themselves of the notion that U.S. military support would be knee-jerk automatic if they somehow provoked open hostilities with Iran.
According to the Israeli press, Mullen went so far as to warn the Israelis not to even think about another incident at sea like the deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967, which left 34 American crew killed and more than 170 wounded.
Never before had a senior U.S. official braced Israel so blatantly about the Liberty incident, which was covered up by the Johnson administration, the Congress, and Mullen’s Navy itself. The lesson the Israelis had taken away from the Liberty incident was that they could get away with murder, literally, and walk free because of political realities in the United States. Not this time, said Mullen. He could not have raised a more neuralgic issue.
Unintended Consequences
As long as he was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Mike Mullen kept worrying, often publicly, over what he termed “the unintended consequences of any sort of military action against Iran.”
We assume that before he retired last fall he shared that concern with you, just as we tried to warn your predecessor of “the unintended consequences” that could flow from an attack on Iraq.
The Israelis, for their part, would not relent. In February of this year, Mullen returned with sweaty palms from a visit to Israel. On arrival there, he had warned publicly that an attack on Iran would be “a big, big, big problem for all of us.”
When Mullen got back to Washington, he lacked the confident tone he had after reading the Israelis the riot act in mid-2008. It became quickly clear that Mullen feared that, this time, Israel’s leaders did not seem to take his warnings seriously.
Lest he leave a trace of ambiguity regarding his professional view, upon his return Mullen drove it home at a Pentagon press conference on Feb. 22, 2011: “For now, the diplomatic and the economic levers of international power are and ought to be the levers first pulled. Indeed, I would hope they are always and consistently pulled. No strike, however effective, will be, in and of itself, decisive.”
In 2008, right after Mullen was able, in late June, to get the Israelis to put aside, for the nonce, their pre-emptive plans vis-à-vis Iran, he moved to put a structure in place that could short-circuit military escalation. Specifically, he thought through ways to prevent unintended (or, for that matter, deliberately provoked) incidents in the crowded Persian Gulf that could lead to wider hostilities.
In a widely unnoticed remark, Adm. Mullen conceded to the press that Iran could shut down the Strait of Hormuz, but quickly added de rigueur assurance that the U.S. could open it up again (whereas the Admiral knows better than virtually anyone that this would be no easy task).
Mullen sent up an interesting trial balloon at a July 2, 2008, press conference, when he suggested that military-to-military dialogue could “add to a better understanding” between the U.S. and Iran. But nothing more was heard of this overture, probably because Cheney ordered him to drop it. We think it is high time to give this excellent idea new life. (See below under Recommendations.)
The dangers in and around the Strait of Hormuz were still on Mullen’s mind as he prepared to retire on Sept. 30, 2011. Ten days before, he told the Armed Force Press Service of his deep concern over the fact that the United States and Iran have had no formal communications since 1979:
“Even in the darkest days of the Cold War, we had links to the Soviet Union. … We are not talking to Iran. So we don’t understand each other. If something happens, it’s virtually assured that we won’t get it right, that there will be miscalculations.”
Playing with fire: With the macho game of chicken currently under way between Iranian and U.S. naval forces in the area of the Strait of Hormuz, the potential for an incident has increased markedly.
An accident, or provocation, could spiral out of control quickly, with all sides — Iran, the U.S. and Israel making hurried decisions with, you guessed it, “unintended consequences.”
… or Intended Consequences?
With your campaign for the presidency in full swing during the summer of 2008, you may have missed a troubling disclosure in July by Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh.
He reported that Bush administration officials had held a meeting in the Vice President’s office in the wake of the January 2008 incident between Iranian patrol boats and U.S. warships in the Strait of Hormuz. The reported purpose of the meeting was to discuss ways to provoke war with Iran.
HERSH: There were a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build in our shipyard four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up. Might cost some lives.
And it was rejected because you can’t have Americans killing Americans. That’s the kind of — that’s the level of stuff we’re talking about. Provocation.
Silly? Maybe. But potentially very lethal. Because one of the things they learned in the [January] incident was the American public, if you get the right incident, the American public will support bang-bang-kiss-kiss. You know, we’re into it.
Look, is it high school? Yeah. Are we playing high school with you know 5,000 nuclear warheads in our arsenal? Yeah we are. We’re playing, you know, who’s the first guy to run off the highway with us and Iran.
… and Now Iran’s Responsibility for 9/11!
On the chance you missed it, this time your government is getting “incriminating” information from Iranian, not Iraqi, “defectors.” Iranian “defectors” have persuaded Manhattan Federal Judge George Daniels to sign an order accusing Iran and Hezbollah – along with al-Qaeda – of responsibility for the 9/11 attacks.
On Dec. 15, in response to a lawsuit brought by family members of 9/11 victims, Daniels claimed that Iran provided material support to al-Qaeda and has assessed Iran $100 billion in damages
Watching the blackening of Iranians on virtually all parts of the U.S. body politic, it is no surprise that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu believes he holds the high cards, enjoying the strong support of our Congress, our largely pro-Israel media, and our courts as well. He sees himself in the catbird seat — particularly during the lead-up to the U.S. presidential election.
We know that you have said you have to deal with Netanyahu every day. But for those of us who have not had the pleasure, never did his attitude toward Washington come through so clearly as in a video taped nine years ago and shown on Israeli TV.
In it Netanyahu brags about how he deceived President Bill Clinton into believing he (Netanyahu) was helping implement the Oslo accords when he was actually destroying them. The tape displays a contemptuous attitude toward — and wonderment at — a malleable America so easily influenced by Israel.
Netanyahu says it right out: “America is something that can be easily moved. Moved in the right direction. … They won’t get in our way … Eighty percent of the Americans support us. It’s absurd.”
Israeli columnist Gideon Levy has written that the video shows Netanyahu to be “a con artist … who thinks that Washington is in his pocket and that he can pull the wool over its eyes,” adding that such behavior “does not change over the years.”
On Dec. 29, the strongly pro-Israel Washington Times ran an unsigned editorial, “Tehran’s moment of truth: The mullahs are playing with fire in Strait of Hormuz.” After a fulsome paragraph of bragging about how the U.S. Navy capabilities dwarf those of Iran’s, the Washington Times editors inadvertently give the game away:
“A theater-wide response to the strait closure would involve air strikes on military and leadership targets throughout the country, and the crisis could be a useful pretext for international action against Iran’s nuclear program.”
Hopefully, pointing out Israel’s overarching objective will strike you as gratuitous. No doubt your advisers have told you that “regime change” (what we used to call overthrowing a government) is Israel’s ultimate goal. Just so you know.
Recommendations
We hope that, when we assume you wish to thwart Israel and any other party who might want to get the U.S. involved in hostilities with Iran, we are not assuming too much. With that as our premise, we recommend that you:
- Make public, as soon as possible, a declassified version of the key judgments of the latest National Intelligence Estimate on Iran’s nuclear development program, with whatever updating is necessary. You know that the Herculean efforts of U.S. intelligence to find evidence of an active nuclear weapons program in Iran have found nothing.
Do not insult Americans with Rumsfeldian nostrums like: “The absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence.” Rather, be up-front with the American people. Tell them the truth about the conclusions of our intelligence community.
Bush was helped to launch the aggressive war on Iraq by a deliberately dishonest National Intelligence Estimate on weapons of mass destruction there. Let yourself be fortified by an honest NIE on Iran, and stand up to the inevitable criticism from Israelis and their influential surrogates.
- Pick up on Adm. Mike Mullen’s suggestion at his press conference on July 2, 2008, that military-to-military dialogue could “add to a better understanding” between the U.S. and Iran. If there were ever a time when our navies need to be able to communicate with each other, it is now.
It was a good idea in 2008; it is an even better idea now. Indeed, it seems likely that a kind of vestigial Cheneyism, as well as pressure from the Likud Lobby, account for the fact that the danger of a U.S.-Iranian confrontation in the crowded Persian Gulf has still not been addressed in direct talks.
Cheney and those of his mini-National Security Staff who actually looked forward to such confrontations are gone from the scene. If the ones who remain persist in thwarting time-tested structural ways of preventing accidents, miscalculation and covert false-flag attacks, please consider suggesting that they retire early.
Order the negotiation of the kind of bilateral “incidents-at-sea” agreement concluded with the Russians in May 1972, which, together with direct communications, played an essential role in heading off escalation neither side wanted, when surface or submarine ships go bump in the night.
- Get yourself some advisers who know more about the real world than the ones you have now, and make sure they owe allegiance solely to the United States.
- Issue a formal statement that your administration will not support an Israeli military attack on Iran. Make it clear that even though, after Dec. 31, the U.S. may not be technically responsible for defending Iraqi airspace, you have ordered U.S. Air Force units in the area to down any intruders.
- Sit back and look toward a New Year with a reasonable prospect of less, not more, tension in the Persian Gulf.
Happy New Year.
This article first appeared at Consortiumnews.com
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Show All"President" Obama is taking orders from the real leader of the US of I.
I can't believe how delusional this article is given all that we have seen from this warmongering president and the foreign policy establishment of the democratic party which is completely dominated by zionists that support the extremist government of Israel no matter what crimes they committ. It is no accident that there has been practically no real opposition from democratic party supporters to Obama's drone wars or his insane escalation of the war in Afghanistan. For some reason we wish to ignore the fact that many liberals believe in American Exceptionalism, Imperialism and the Overseas Empire. Please wake up!
Well, you can always try to get through to people like Obama... McGovern and Warren had distinguished careers as 'intelligence' professionals so they can always hope that someone in power is listening.
Is it likely that Obama or his advisers are receptive to their advice? No, there is no evidence of that.
Some anguished people on CD wonder how some of us can post comments supportive of Ron Paul.
Well, it is precisely such an event as another U.S. war in the Middle East -- instigated by the Israeli Fifth Columnists -- that makes Paul seem like a sane choice (despite all his libertarian and conservative warts).
Is there any other candidate who has the slightest chance of winning the White House that has so clearly articulated opposition to war against Iran and voiced suspicion of Israeli manipulations?
I doubt that Paul will be allowed to represent the GOP in the next election, but if offered a choice between Paul and Obama... are Progressives really going to support the war & empire candidate? The Banksters' candidate? The President who is installing policies of endless war, absolute state secrecy, indefinite detention, and the Executive's privilege of murdering anyone anywhere if the person is deemed an 'enemy' of Amerika?
"Some anguished people on CD wonder how some of us can post comments supportive of Ron Paul."
Perhaps, some of us anguished people CD have read things like this and you obviously haven't. And if that doesn't tell you who the guy really is and scares the crap outta you, nothing will.
Ron Paul tells Haaretz: I am not an anti-Semite
U.S. presidential hopeful opposes foreign aid and believes that American support for Israel was a main cause of 9/11 terror attacks – but gives a 'green light' to an Israeli attack on Iran.
http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/west-of-eden/ron-paul-tells-haaretz-i-am-not-an-anti-semite-1.404208
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Responding to questions submitted before the most recent flap about anti-Semitic and racist content in his newsletters, Paul reiterated his controversial positions that American support for Israel was one of the reasons for the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and stuck by his opposition to any and all foreign aid. But he said that he viewed Israel as “one of our most important friends in the world” and that he supports Israel right to attack Iran in self-defense.
“I do not believe we should be Israel’s master but, rather, her friend. We should not be dictating her policies and announcing her negotiating positions before talks with her neighbors have even begun.”
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Ron Paul and Israel
By Leon Hadar
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2011/12/29/ron-paul-and-israel-peace-commerce-and-honest-friendship/comment-page-1/#comment-131032
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I had the opportunity to serve as one of Paul’s foreign-policy advisers during the presidential campaign of 2008 and recall the 76-year-old former physician and Christian Baptist who has been representing the 22nd district from Texas in Congress since 1979 as someone with deep knowledge of Jewish history and an admirer of Israel who follows with great interest the political and economic developments there.
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Hence, that Paul regards Israel as “our close friend” is not inconsistent with his opposition to providing aid to Israel or resisting a war with Iran. Paul has stressed that when it comes to pursuing its own national interests vis-a-vis Iran or the Palestinians, Washington should not “dictate how Israel runs her affairs,” Paul stressed.
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Short term, seems sad that so many amerikans live in the state of denial/ delusion. But longer term the suffering caused by the amerikan empire, supported by the masses, and lead by war criminals, bush/cheney and obomber will soon bring amerikan imperialism, and its terrorist acts against humanity to a thankful end, as the empire slides into the abyss !
And so please wake up? Wake up to what? The fact that Israel completely controls the US is something that I have known for some time. When we wake up what do we do?
Write our Senators and Congressmen? I have done that and have gotten nothing but an Israeli reply about happy our Senators are with that con-artist asshole Netanyahu. So what are your suggestions?
We must take back some of the media to explain to the non reading public what is happening. We need to do our very best to stop the huge amounts of money that are going to Israel. In Alabama alone in 2011 over $4 billion worth of military weapons went to Israel. They have a stranglehold on the state. We need to start going after the power and shutting Israel influence step by step. They are using the money we give them to buy both sides of the isle in all states. This has got to stop. The only candidate that has said anything about this issue is Ron Paul and the Israeli backed media is trying to make him look like a fool. They are scared of him because he is the only one that has not looked like he is under the Israeli shield.
When Obama stared out with his agenda he was quickly put under the guidance of that turd Rahm Emmanuel. He needs to be investigated and pushed out of power.
There are many things that need to be done but anyone that will try to do this will go through many problems I am sure.
The article is not delusional. It is written as a warning to the American People that we are being made to follow the Yinyon plan established in 1982 and that we are being made to follow this and the repercussions will be disastrous for the US...already are for that matter.
A revealing interview with Harry Belafonte - the story of his life, insight into the early (40s) black arts movement with jazz greats and the culture of what we today would call solidarity. Pertinence to this article is historical context and culminating question posed by Charlie Rose... http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12061
Belafonte's centering and influence on his era is something the dominant culture has utterly obscured. Enjoy and Happy New Year.
It's not a mater of if but when we go to war again. but it's not because of inept advisers or war profiteering corporations egging Obama on. they are always there doing their dirty work, pushing a facist agenda relentlessly. We will go to war because it is such an easy sell to the American people who love war. It is a sign of the moral decay of our nation that the only affirmation of our power or interests comes at the end of a military stick.-- It is certainly the case that in the political sphere no one dares to say that we should not use military force to get our way, not as the last resort, after all diplomacy and negotiation have been exhausted, but as the first and most desired alternative -not only do we get our way but we get to beat somebody else up too--who says we aren't great.. Meanwhile our internal needs as a nation go unmet. It is the classic definition of how empires fall and we as a nation are a big hollow rotted out tree about to fall. Let's get it over with. The war drum is beating once again and once again we will bankrupt ourselves to do what we really want--to beat the crap out of someone who dares to oppose us--it's what we are, it's what we really believe in and even though we are near the breaking point it is the path we are bound to pursue--may it take us to our well deserved end..
I don't agree with your post that Americans "love war." There has been a sea change in this country since Iraq. Most military families I know are dead set against a new war in the Middle East. And there is a lot of cynicism about the reasons for war given by this duplicitous government. The government will trump up some reason to go after Iran, but it won't get the support it had with Iraq. Even conservative friends of mine agree with me that our government lies.
The only thing that worries me is that a vigorous response from Iran to Israeli bombing supported by the US military--say, the sinking of a warship or two together with the consequent deaths of hundreds if not thousands of American sailors, will bring a vicious reaction from America--possibly involving nuclear weapons. That will start a chain reaction that will engulf the world. The question is--will Obama push the envelope far enough to cause this sort of scenario? Many posting here will say "yes." I say, "No."
"I don't agree with your post that Americans "love war." There has been a sea change in this country since Iraq"
Maybe so, that is until the cheering sections in the media ramp-up again and people think what they're told. Why do you think campaign contributions which mostly buy advertisements make such a difference? "We won't get fooled again" is a cool song but it's sadly not correct when it comes to recruiting enough Mericans to make a quorum for war.
There will be an "incident", and then "boots on the ground", and then we must support the "troops" regardless of whether their mission is questionable.
I had a similar-- or at least compatible-- thought, dmgreenaz.
The phrase "love war" is semantically fraught and problematic.
I think "habituated to war" is closer to the mark.
I don't pretend that my opinion is based on anything more than my "anecdotal" day-to-day personal experience.
But to venture one tedious anecdote, I still hearken back to a conversation I had with the guy who I rode to work with on the morning of the Amerikan invasion and war of aggression against Iraq in March, 2003.
This guy was, and I hope still is, a decent, pleasant, good-hearted "family man". Not exactly an intellectual, he enlisted in the Army in 1970 because he was doing so badly in his first year of college that he expected to flunk out.
Being from a Quaker family, he broke his mother's heart by deciding to do his patriotic duty; fortunately for all concerned, he spent his tour of duty in Germany and never got to Vietnam.
Anyway, during our ride to work, he mentioned that he'd woken up in the wee hours of the morning, turned on the TV, and got hooked into watching the news coverage of the invasion.
He was distressed by it, but in his mild-mannered, diffident way he went on to express every "Good German" (i.e., Good Amerikan) patriotic authoritarian-following cliché in the book.
He "had" to believe that the President and the rest of the civilian and military leaders had more and better information than we ordinary citizens did, and he "had" to trust that they were making the right call, etc.
I didn't argue, not only because he was giving me a ride, but because I could see that he really was troubled and stating the only position he could take to feel OK about the "war".
Obviously, that discussion stuck in my mind. And over the years, I've seen that attitude displayed in countless variations. Some people are more mean-spirited, exceptionalist, gung-ho, etc. Some are more well-informed than others.
But in general, I rarely encounter people who flat-out denounce, or object to, Amerikan military and "intelligence" operations. They may wince at ugly horrors like "targeted assassinations" and the drone-missile craze, but rationalize it as an unfortunate necessity in the endless battle against international terrorism.
So it's not necessarily a matter of bloody-minded patriotic Amerikans cheering on the endless tsunami of imperial Amerikan mayhem and bloodshed. But in general, it seems tragically true that Amerikans are generally habituated to, or resigned to, war. And unable or unwilling to openly criticize, much less oppose or denounce, each military or state-security operation as it takes place.
And, just as you point out, our warmongering overclass and its mass-media consent manufacturers work 24/7 to brainwash a complacent, unreflective populace to cheer on, or at least docilely accept and adjust to, the government's every pretext and reprehensible action.
I don't think an American strike at Iran would trigger a war that would engulf the world. Not by a long shot. It would be a bad thing and we shouldn't do it, but it would not ignite the world if we did.
And you are smoking...what?
John Shade..you don't think so ??? With Russia and China specifically coming out and saying that they will support Iran on these issues? With China getting at least 10% of their oil from Iran? With Russia really ready to even the score after the Bushmesiter screwed Russia and advanced nato activities to the east.?? There are a lot of the folks on that side of the world that have many a bone to pick with us. And now that we are following Israel's lead and horrific behavior and have garnered the disgust of Europe and really many more parts of the world...you really don't think so?? I am afraid you are dead wrong. Europe knows what is going on and they are not at all interested in starting something especially in the financial shape that they are in right now...and we are in a very bad way. We do not need to print money to buy bullets any more. There are many other things that we need to do for THE UNITED STATES FIRST before we go to helping Israeli interests in destroying Israel's enemies for their Zionist hegemony in the region.
A drunkard in the gutter is just where he ought to be.Nature is working away at him to get him out of the way. So with the USA, we see the decline as you have so aptly put it.
Here are a couple of quotes from our founding fathers concerning standing armies. Funny how they are never quoted when Tea Baggers and other political opportunists get all colonial on the rest of us.
Quote from Madison: "The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people."
Quote from Jefferson: "There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army.”
So it took 235 some odd years to see their fears were well founded. You would think a constitutional scholar like Obomba would understand their fears. But then he never has come out to say what constitiution he was an student of. Maybe it was Sparta's or North Korea's, but I don't see how it could have been the US Constitution.
" You would think a constitutional scholar like Obama would understand their fears". Obama must have flunked that course. Maybe that is why he is hiding his college grades.
I knew someone once whose daughter was in medical school passing with C-s and Ds. She laughed and said "do you know what they call the student that graduates medicak school last of his class?" Answer: "Doctor!"
Well, to paraphrase this woman, "Do you know what they call someone who graduates last of his law class at Yale?" Answer: "Mr. President!"
When the world's greatest con man teaches a couple of courses to build a resume, it does not make him a constitutional scholar.
as Ob' Servant has pointed out, 0 studied the Constitution the way a safecracker would study a safe.
McGovern and Murray's recommendations are wise ones that the president should heed. But it is a virtual certainty he will not heed #4, stating the US will not back and Israeli attack on Iran. And it is unlikely he will heed the others. Obama has thus far shown himself to be a malleable tool of the Zionist fanatics in Tel Aviv and their Jewish-supremacist henchmen who permeate the Washington establishment. The people of the world are held hostage by a systemic evil that ineluctably pushes this situation toward war. The ease with which the Mossad, or a privatized group within the bowels of the secret government in the U.S., could launch a false flag provocation against the US navy, is terrifying. McGovern and Murray's article is a plaintive cry from the wilderness, but better that than nothing. We have to try to stop this march toward a pre-arranged military confrontation that benefits no one but the war profiteers and the most fanatical Israelis.
ha ha it's so funny because it's true it's never gonna happen ha ha ha do the right thing ha ha ha
give tax money to arms dealers who need war to make money
buy insurance to hedge your bet
walk like a duck quack like a duck
war's good for the economy
bad for everyone else
best of all, we get to vote for it
The new America free market killing for money isn't really so new is it!
Tomnjerry.
I am very suspicious of many of these so called popular uprisings.You do have a point.
Thomas Gilbert-
You are absolutely correct. The "uprisings" are all phoney. Phoney I say. From Egypt (oh, no, not Egypt, never mind, my bad) Libya...yeah, from Libya to Syria and Iran several years ago, they're all phoney. See, in Syria's case in particular, both Assads (father and now son), were model leaders. Kind, loving, giving, generous to a fault. All the stories of brutality (beginning with Hama 1982), all lies. Made up by the imperialist press to smear such model leaders. So what if they're self appointed? Sheesh...why let stupid stuff like that get in the way of reality...(by that I mean our good, loving, leftie reality, know what I mean?). The people of Iran, Libya and Syria are stupid. And greedy. Man, are they ever greedy? Imagine, the CIA/Mossad comes in, tells them what to do, even pays them a couple bucks here and there and they stand in the way of the tanks that the Assads don't send to blow them away (like in this little video of the Hama Massacre that didn't happen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPy7e7XiGSM&feature=related). Thank Ford you lefties always have your antennae on and listen to what good self-elected leaders like Castro, Qaddafi and Assad have to say, otherwise, those of us who are stupid and tend to believe what we hear and see the people go thru may actually believe the CIA propaganda. Once again, thank you for your alertness and uncanny intelligence. The world needs more people like you to save us from evil people like those of Syria, Libya, Iran and Cuba.
PS: By the same token, kudos to the people of Egypt. Oh, yeah and the ones in Bahrain and Yemen also (btw, do you even know that they too rebelled?). Now, they were really smart because they rebelled against imperialist (key word) imposed dictators who, unlike, Syria, Libya and Iran who are true paradises of freedom, justice and democracy (wonder why you are not living there though?) treated their people like shit. Yeah, stupid indeed. But anyway, no need to fret since it's all lies and organizations like HRW and Amnesty International are all paid by the USG...no, wait, it's Mossad...or someone like that. Of course, when they report of the abuses in, say, Egypt or Palestine then in that case, heavens, we must heed to what they say because then, they are a beacon of truth. Yeah!
Phantom,
I'm quite certain that these authors are aware of Oblahblah's tactics and that he won't be listening to reason. I think this article is written as though they're appealing to Oblahblah but in reality, it's another way to inform the public of the positions taken by war mongering pro-Israeli factions.
Expecting Obama to "stop" the drumbeat for war is about as bright as expecting some people to come forward into the 21st century, abandon last century's mantra's and join the push for new political solutions.
Bitty,
War seems to be the preferred growth industry in the United States. No, I would not expect President Obama or President John Doe to end this drum beat for war.
What is most interesting regarding Presidents is not so much the change they affect but rather the continuity expressed from one administration to another. President Carter, President Reagan, President Bush, President Clinton, President Bush and, last but not least, President Obama. Each President passes something on to the next. Instructions perhaps?
Happy New Year
Thomas Gilbert-
It is interesting and instructive to witness the myth cum reality of democracy in action in the form of many articles, this one included, addressing the President and urging him to use his power. It appears that he has been unable to exercise his democratic power simply because the voice of the people has been stifled under the blanket of corporate media madness. As the people begin to articulate a cohesive agenda Obama can with authority say he is acting on the demands of the people and in truth, grab the brass ring of real democratic leadership and lead us out of the dark age of corporate dictatorship that we have been plagued with for nearly thirty years.
The proof of Mr. Obama's sincere use of his power will be if he vetoes the NDAA.
I will be happy to accept the thought that Mr. Obama does have some heart, somewhere there inside his politician body, and isn't a complete corporation stooge.
All I ask in return is that if he signs this bill, which will send us into Nazi-like fascism, you admit that all his talk is mere talk for the sake of winning re-election and that he's as bad as the others.
excellent satire.
The National Defense Authorization Act of 2011 (NDAA) can be seen as a response to the OW movement and another part of the preparations for war with Iran.
When the OW movement unexpectedly caught on, it became clear to the creeps who run the US that the immanent attack on Iran will ignite even larger protests.
Hence, the speedy and nearly unanimous passage of the NDAA or as the Germans would call it, Nacht und Nebel.
The authors may have a lot of insight about how to relate to Iran.
They have no insight about the Obama administration.
It's not his advisers that's the problem. He selected advisers who share his worldview and his real values. Obama is the problem.
Asking Obama to do the right thing is silly. The polite sending of good advice to him is a waste of time.
Rather we need to protest this sociopath and do it loudly. This still may not be able to stop him, but it might convince him he doesn't have the political capital to do what he wants.
Don't ever forget how DADT was ended. It wasn't by the Human Rights Campaign politely giving advice to Obama. He just fogged them, smiling and promising he'd do what they want and then did nothing but delaying actions. It was ended by Lt. Dan Choi protesting with a loud and theatrical voice by chaining himself to the White House fence. Not advising Obama. Opposing Obama.
I urge these insightful authors to chain themselves to the White House fence. Such an action by former intelligence officers would have a powerful impact. Writing articles like this won't.
I have been with Ray at the White House fence getting arrested. His actions speak. I trust yours do also. It is always worthwhile to put sane ideas on the record. But yes, it appears futile.
What is needed is a council of nonviolent revolution ready to risk everything in a massive tax protest and series of creative non-violent actions addressing war, injustice and environmental rape. OWS had them shitting themselves. Time to get it on.
I am thrilled that Ray has done such actions! I hope he continues. Jonabark, thanks to you too for your courage in taking such actions!
At the moment, Iran is threatening to close the Straits of Hormuz, which is an international waterway and vital to the delivery of oil to China and the rest of the far east.
We should not interfere, and let the Chinese deal with their problem.
At the same time, Iran is threatening to wipe Israel off the map, and is boasting about having rockets now that can reach Tel Aviv. If Iran follows through with its threat, we should allow Israel to respond first before we do anything.
"If Iran follows through with its threat, we should allow Israel to respond first before we do anything."
So you feel that Iran is the major problem and "we" (whoever that is) should allow Israel to preempt?
Thomas Gilbert-
Muuuuaaaa haaaaaaaaaaa...What a crock of brainwashed Christo-Zionist shit! ROFL! You didn't miss one buzz word, not one! Congratulations!
Have you considered that most of the problems in the middle east since 1948 stem from the Zionist regime in Jerusalem?
Ah yes, I see, the right winger is lying gain. Iran is threatening to close the Straits of Hormuz, if the US, the UK, EU, continue to wage economic war via economic sanctions. And BTW, if Hormuz is shut down, it would have a really really "nice" effect on global oil prices, with a huge impact on western economies.
Don't kid yourself. Just because the corporate media is reporting it doesn't mean it's a lie. Don't make the same mistake I did of assuming that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Iran PressTV is reporting this. Or would not not trust Iran's media to report exactly what their government tells them to do? Sometimes (actually more often than not), the opposite regime just gives the imperialists the fodder they need to act upon.
Go back to school and take reading comprehension lessons or something.
You are arguing against some voice in your head, not what I said.
Iran threatened to close Hormuz in RESPONSE to the (threat of) more sanctions. Iran did not arbitrarily decide to threaten to close Hormuz to nothing, which is what the lying right wing troll implied.
Back to school for you.
And I do not need your concern for my motivations. My interest in, and concern for, Iran has nothing to do with the lazy enemy of my enemy trap, that you fell into. I have many Iranian friends. I like the country. I like the people.
Derby Lad, have you not been following what is going on? The provocation is from Israel. Just like in Gaza or in Lebanon. Israel shoots into Lebanon, the Lebanese respond and then the controlled media tell us that the Lebanese shot at the Israelis first. Vietnam? Spanish American War? Come on. Do you think for a moment that Israel will shoot at Iran without the US standing by controlled by a congress and senate that is in lockstep support of the Jews in this country.If they shoot then we are in...unless Obama has put on a set of nuts recently.
Israel has been bumping for us to hit Iran for the last 15 years or maybe longer.
China will get their oil one way or another...China will support Iran...that is what they have been saying for some time now. You want to start a war with China?? Russia? Be my guest. Encourage Israel. I just don't want to see anymore of our soldiers die for Israel. The Leher report has the names of the soldiers that die every night. There has not been one jewish name on that list...mostly whites, blacks and latinos.
Oh, and about international waters....did Israel not attack several vessels in international waters and kill 9 Turks?? They are allowed outlaw behavior and Iran is not? Lets get the
Yes Casfoto, I've been following the news, and so I'm aware of the threats made by Iran to close the straits of Hormuz, and also threats to attack Israel.
In my original post, I suggested that we do nothing and wait and see if these threats materialize. Even then, I suggested that we let China and Israel deal with these problems.
Now, for recommening that America do nothing, I'm accused of being a Zionist lackey and a warmonger.......How odd.
Assuming yours is true ignorance as opposed to WILLFUL ignorance...
Derby, if you really believe what you say, then you have been DUPED. Yes, you have fallen hook, line and sinker for LIES, and lots of them too, I bet. (One has to be cruel to be kind.) Try to see if you can find any news of Israel threatening to bomb Iran. Who made those threats. Is there any doubt about it. Then take a good look at your "news items" about Iran threatening Israel and see if you can trace them to their source.
P.S. Saddam wasnt really threatening us with WMD, and everyone who was paying attention knew that at the time. Stick around and you will begin to question many things that you have been told (I hope).
"Yes Casfoto, I've been following the news, and so I'm aware of the threats made by Iran to close the straits of Hormuz, and also threats to attack Israel."
In that case you should be well aware that those threats were made in response to the actual waging of war, sanctions.
"Now, for recommening that America do nothing, I'm accused of being a Zionist lackey and a warmonger.......How odd."
No, not odd. Sanctions are an act of war.
Lemme know how well that urging Obama to stop pandering to Israel, the MIC and Wall Street while putting a leash around his warmongering heart thing goes for y'all.
I have to admit that my initial response is pretty much what you're saying, Rev. But there are a lot of reasons to write a letter, even one that will be ignored.
This letter is published, sent to the public, not just sent to the big O. Obama survives politically on the very misconception that you criticise: the idea that he is somehow progressive or centrist or humanist or humane or well intentioned. One can simply write and tell people that Obama is working to have more war and not less, more inequality and not less, but people do not always recognize that -- as you seem to have noticed.
To make a direct and public request of a public official accomplishes more: it forces that official to make some manner of public decision: O must fulfil the request, reject it, or ignore it, all in public.
Were he to fulfil it, that would be peachy, but we know that will not happen.
Most likely Murry and McGovern will not get a nicely signed letter from the White House explaining that killing Iranian children is just too profitable to pass up, so let's take it as a given that the request is not explicitly rejected, but rejected indirectly by being ignored, with or without the usual nominal claptrap in response that I assume you-all get too when you write politicians.
To whatever extent that the material is published and that the public, including ourselves, pays attention, ignoring that letter is a public act, an act that those of us who read the letter can go back and examine. The language of the letter and the gesture of the letter come to comprise aspects of the president's act of rejections, aspects that he cannot alter:
"Hey, look at this reasoning. How do I feel about my government blowing this off?"
This comes not only from writing the opinions, but from addressing the executive or the representative directly.
After all, what's to lose? It's not like Obama is going to stop pandering because one does *not* make the request, either, is it?