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With Anti-Immigrant Law, Alabama is Again Ground Zero for Civil Rights
It’s not often that human rights and business profits line up on the same side of a political debate, but Alabama is a special place. The Cotton State was not only ground zero for some of the worst abuses under Jim Crow; it was also the flashpoint for early struggles that fused economic empowerment with civil rights, including the Montgomery Bus Boycott. Today, Alabama is once again a focal point for racial and class struggles, ignited by an anti-immigrant law that tests our definitions of economic citizenship in a world of fluid borders.
The law, HB 56, mirrors many of the “copycat” anti-immigrant bills that have gone viral in state legislatures from Arizona to Indiana. It would impose onerous identification requirements that encourage police to arrest and detain anyone who couldn’t present the right papers. Although some of the harsher provisions were blocked by a federal court earlier this year, the legislation (signed into law in June) still threatens to further demonize immigrants and to crystallize the racist ideology driving a two-tier economy, where the privileges of the elite are subsidized by the vicious exploitation of the 99 percent.
Sadly, if the law were only a matter of shamelessly scapegoating a group of vulnerable newcomers, the law might face considerably less opposition. But the debate reveals a convoluted class-based political calculus: employers contend that draconian anti-immigrant policies could cripple the economy.
They do have a point: Getting rid of the state’s undocumented population—2.5 percent of the state, according to the Center for American Progress--wouldn’t translate into more jobs for native-born workers or immigrants with green cards. It would likely shred the already-impoverished state’s balance sheet:
$40 million—A conservative estimate of how much Alabama’s economy would contract if only 10,000 undocumented immigrants stopped working in the state as a result of H.B. 56.
$130 million—The amount Alabama’s undocumented immigrants paid in taxes in 2010. These include state and local, income, property, and consumption taxes. This revenue would be lost if H.B. 56 were to do its job and drive all unauthorized immigrants from the state.
$300,000—The amount one farmer, Chad Smith of Smith Farms, estimates he has lost because of labor shortages in the wake of H.B. 56. Another farmer, Brian Cash of K&B Farm, estimates that he lost $100,000 in one single month because of the law.
This projected economic consequences (not to mention the cost of implementing and enforcing the law) would only exacerbate the state's economic turmoil: nearly one in five in Alabama live in poverty and unemployment hovers well above the nationwide rate.
The impacts of HB 56 could span across immigrants’ communities, disrupting the education of their children and subjecting even workers with papers to mistreatment and discrimination by police as well as neighbors.
Even though economic anxieties are fueling the anti-immigrant crackdown, economic concerns also inform the widening opposition. Some pro-business advocates complain that the loss of migrant labor hurts their bottom line, often because others don't step up to fill backbreaking jobs like tomato picking.
But here’s where the political landscape may slip dangerously in a direction that counters the very principles on which activists are fighting the law. Suddenly the case for a more lenient policy toward “illegal aliens” is not that they’re vital members of their families, communities, unions and workplaces, or that immigration agents shouldn’t be campaigning to tear apart families, or that everyone has a right to due process, or that democracy in a pluralistic society hinges on equality before the law. If you listen to the bosses with whom civil rights groups have formed an uneasy alliance, HB 56 is bad for Alabama not so much because it criminalizes people who want nothing more than to make a living for themselves, free of the oppression of an arbitrary and dysfunctional legal regime.
Instead, it’s harmful because it’s bad for business.
But while the strange-bedfellows strategy may be politically expedient, the opposition to Alabama’s anti-immigrant law can’t be centered on a narrow calculus that elevates capital above human rights. The Obama administration, too, has challenged immigration policies in Alabama and Arizona on anti-discrimination grounds, but overall, the White House has perpetuated the rampant abuses that plague the federal detention and deportation system.
And the deeper labor issues manifested by the immigration crisis wouldn’t go away if the law were defeated: there would still be no national discussion on combating wage theft, human trafficking, and restrictions on the right to organize--problems that affect native-born and immigrants alike.
Marisa Franco of the National Day Labor Organizing Network told In These Times:
Workers are increasingly facing situations where their bosses and even customers or clients feel the authority to threaten and harass with little recourse of justice. When local police take a mandate to enforce federal immigration laws, employers have a powerful tool to undermine hard won labor protections. It's a threat to all workers and the fundamental right to organize.
There's one way to reorient the dialogue toward rights and away from profits: help workers and organized labor understand that the zero-sum game of “competition” for the most degrading jobs keeps the economically disenfranchised divided along false lines of “legal” versus “illegal.”
For now, activists may form strategic alliances to fight anti-immigrant bills like Alabama’s. But if they let bosses and big business frame the debate going forward, they’ll lose the real battle—for economic justice for all.
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Show AllThe south has risen again and now dominates the national political debate within the United States as it pushes for the severe weakening of the federal government until its only role will be starting wars so the good old boys can have some fun hunting and killing foreigners until such time as they can go back to hunting down blacks.
I think you have it backwards -your beloved Federal gov't (and Chen) is actually trying to prevent AL from passing anti-slavery laws.
I was gonna congratulate Ms.Chen for actually using the term "undocumented immigrant" in her article. The i realized that was actually a quote from someone else. Michelle, immigrants (as in legal immigrants) are not targeted by this law. It is illegal immigrants that are the issue here. There's no anti-immigrant law (trust me, I would know, i am one). There's an anti-illegal immigration law. And it's federal. BTW, every country has one.
And our immigration law is among the most liberal and welcoming compared to most. Most of the immigrants that come here couldn't gain entry to Canada or Australia to name just a few with restrictive immigration policies. Northern Italy recently made it a felony to enter illegally there, France no longer offers medical care to illegal immigrants, etc.
If U.S. immigration law is so "liberal and welcoming", how come so many have to enter illegally?
Meanwhile, Canada's and Australia's restrictive immigration policies compared to the U.S.A.
Canada per capita net immigration 33,706 per 1 million people.
Australia per capita net immigration 31,542 per 1 million people.
U.S.A per capita net immigration 19,148 per 1 million people.
Australia: 26.8% of the resident population is born outside of Australia.
Canada: 19.8% of the resident population is born outside of Canada.
U.S.A: 11.8% of the resident population is born outside of the U.S.A.
The Canucks and the Aussies don't seem to be doing restrictive immigration right do they? Maybe they need to adopt the U.S. "liberal and welcoming approach" to get the numbers down?
Much missing information in your comment. They are rates but consider Ca at~34M and AU at ~22M or so. We're 300M so a small rate translates into a much larger number.
How many non English speaking, uneducated, poor immigrants, of both legal and illegal status, do AU and CA allow? Maybe Quebec is less restrictive about language. Having spent a fair amount of time in AU and having applied for AU citizenship many years ago I know a bit about who gets in. Part of the citizenship requirements in AU is that you must speak, read and write English -you're tested. You won't find public literature or signage in anything but English. You must have a special trade or skill and more often a college education. You're considered as long as you bring something to the table or don't displace a citizen skill. In my case I was past the age limit, and they told me to my face, that was the rule which I accepted.
The point is, these countries don't let just anyone in. Aussies are smart, civil people with an island nation easy to protect from illegal immigrants. CA less so.It's really an apples/oranges comparison you're making.
IOW, CA and AU have assured that they get mostly the cream of the crop.
LOGI-Tech: Apart from your using a new screen name, and dominating this entire thread, the following comment reveals you for the RIGHT WING lunatic that you are:
"I think you have it backwards -your beloved Federal gov't (and Chen) is actually trying to prevent AL from passing anti-slavery laws."
"Your beloved federal government" is verbiage that comes right out of the Aryan Brotherhood playbook, and belongs to right wing militia groups.
If instead of leveraging your campaigns of hatred against impoverished Hispanic workers who seek out lowly jobs in the USA you put your righteous indignation to use in opposing the policies that cause their own lands to fall into economic upheaval, or understood that the MIC and bankster elites have so narrowed the pie that those at the lowest end of the income spectrum (in many nations) are left to fight over the crumbs.
Instead of honestly looking at the dynamics that bring that tragic outcome about, you find it far more convenient to toss rigid, authoritarian ideas around... ideas that are entirely based on artificial national boundaries, property rights,and artificial claims to national supremacy.
You are PATHETIC. A right wing lunatic so caught up in his own narrow intellectual landscape as to think his arguments will be taken seriously by anyone but another wounded soul who marches to the same autocratic drummer.
"so caught up in his own narrow intellectual landscape as to think his arguments will be taken seriously by anyone but another wounded soul"
Well, here you are, takin' me seriously.
It's only an internet forum, Sioux. Lighten up.....
Didn't take you long to back down there, tough guy.
We take what you represent very seriously.
A larger population has more resources to absorb those immigrants. Your economy is 10 times larger then that of Canada. Your Government spends more on its Military then the Government of Canada AND the Government of Australia added together spend in sum total on EVERYTHING.
There are no literacy retrictions on Refugees in Canada and they also allow more then the USA as measured for population and Canada has a much more generous Family reunification porgram wherein elderly parents can migrate.
That said I do hope you stay in the United States of America. I would rather have 10 illiterate mexican Migrants moving to Canada then one of you. We have enough problems with our own "Aryan Nations" types.
Thank you.
This type gets tiresome to the extreme. They hide their bigotry and racism behind "Respect for the law" while at the same time ignoring the Violations of the law that benefit THEM as individuals.
They like to pretend they are concened for "American Jobs" when those American Jobs in good part are predicated upon exploting these peoples in their own nations. The United States of America is bombing the shit out of half the countries in the world, killing people the world over this all creating JOBS.
And these losers whine when the people that suffer the consequences of the US Military and its Foreign policy try to escape the hell the United States helped create with its Monroe Doctrine, its United Fruit Company and its Chiquita Banana "lets pay some right wing thug to murder union members so the consumers in America can have bananas at 10 cents a pound"
The hyprocrisy they exhibit is this. They like to pretend its about "jobs" and that "illegal immigrants take away jobs form hard working Americans". They steal from workers in Guatemala thewn bitch and moan when the workers flee their lands to try and EARN a living elsewhere.
FACT.
Microsoft imports workers from India LEGALLY under various Visa programs.
FACT
More jobs have been lost to China and India with offshoring then there are "illegal immigrants" in the USA these jobs once high paying and all of this done LEGALLY.
FACT
Far more jobs and far more high paying jobs have been lost LEGALLY which should demonstrate to anyone that this has everything to do with the system called Capitalism and LITTLE to do with the poor people looking for work.
FACT
When Haiti and The Honduras and Guatemala elected SOCIALIST Governments that wanted to Nationalize resources, raise minimum wages and provide decent incomes for their people so that their workers would not have to leave their countries to seek work elsehwere, the United States of America sponsored Coups and genocides to ensure US Corporations could keep their profits and the consumer in the USA could get their 10 cents a pound banana or their running shoes made in Sweat shops in Haiti.
Their fixation on jobs and "Illegal Immigrants" stealing American Jobs is exposed as the canard it is and that is little more the racism and bigotry.
Excellent post.
2005, illegal migrants accounted for about 5% of the civilian labor force, or 7.2 million workers out of a labor force of 148 million. Approximately 19% of illegal workers were employed in construction jobs, 15% in production, installation and repair, and 4% in farming. The Pew report also shows that illegal immigrants comprise 24% of all workers in farming, 17% in cleaning, 14% in construction and 12% in food preparation. Within those categories, unauthorized migrants tend to be concentrated in specific jobs: They represent 36% of all insulation workers, 29% of all roofers and drywall installers, and 27% of all butchers and other food-processing workers.
GW sez: " I would rather have 10 illiterate mexican Migrants moving to Canada then one of you".
I accept your offer.
Please send your address and I'll have 10 illegals arrive at your door. I would be glad to hand out your address in some of the places I know here on the Mexico-US border. Please be sure to provide them a job, (at fair pay), an education (in their language),your wonderful healthcare, and of course immediate citizenship. I can't guarantee that one or more of them won't be a convicted felon. Of course you'll have to convince your fellow citizens and your gov't that this is the morally right thing to do or you could simply just break the law.
Please provide address in your next reply so fellow CDers know that you are truly a man of your word with a generous heart.
Best regards,
logitech
My point stands. I would still rather have 10 law breaking illiterate Mexican migrants enter my country then one Goose Stepping Law abiding Fascist.
Those people being thrown out of their homes in the United States because the banks foreclosed on them are not being thrown out by Mexican Migrants. They are being thrown out by people with high paying jobs that speak English and tend to be white.
And when they come to throw the people out of their homes they come with the full authority of the law on their side.
I thought we were talking about immigration. Are you getting off point? I think people being kicked out of their homes is on the other post.
To GW:
Declining the offer, huh? Ha, just what I thought. All talk. You're just like the anti-abortion folks. When you ask them why don't they volunteer to adopt unwanted babies they start looking around for an escape.
Note: something weird with the reply function, replies are not posting where they should
Austraila. You cant immigrate there unless you have a sponsor - someone who will hire you. 239 million population. They TOTALLY control immigration.
"The median equivalised US household disposable income was ~$36000 in 2007-08. A household consisting of 3 adults would require twice this amount (1 + 0.5 + 0.5), so $72000, to attain the standard of living of the median Australian. This should be inflated a little to express it in 2011 dollars. Yes, this is post-taxes and transfers.
You have once again cited your own personal experience to give your opinion credibility, but have yet to answer any of the serious questions involved with that. To wit, the outrageously biased system of immigration, and the fact that immigrants from Eastern Europe were fast-tracked in, despite strong ties to ultra-nationalist murderous regimes and political groups, including many Nazis and Nazi sympathizers and collaborators, and that they were funded and supported to spread extreme right wing political agendas here in this country. You spout extreme right wing and racist opinions here regularly.
One cannot possibly be a member of an immigrant community from Eastern Europe and be unaware of what I am talking about here. One cannot possibly be a member of an immigrant community from Eastern Europe and be unaware of the vicious and murderous vigilante actions against people in those countries deemed to be "other" and unwelcome.
I was wondering when the Nazis were going to show up. We've had the CIA already.
"You spout extreme right wing and racist opinions here regularly"
Care to cite some of my posts?
"To wit, the outrageously biased system of immigration"
Not sure i see your point, about one million legal immigrants come to the US every year. If you look at their origin breakdown, you'll be surprised. lemme know if the Internets are too complex to search, I'll provide a link.
Also, please back your "fast track" claims with some data. I think less than 10% of all immigrants to the US come from Europe.
You acknowledge, then, that your personal experience is unusual and not at all representative, and therefore the presumption you want us to accept - that you speak with some insider knowledge or special authority - is false.
You had ample opportunity to discuss these issues on a previous thread. You chose not to, and ran and hid.
You are now hoping that most people reading this thread did not see the other thread, and that you can now can pose innocently here as being willing to discuss these issues. You sure ran from them before.
I will continue to discuss this, but it will be on my terms and at my discretion. You are not going to play the hit-and-run hide-and-go-seek games you have been playing here anymore, nor can you dictate the terms and pace of the discussion.
What you are trying to do will no longer work.
You're right. When Two Americas can't support its rant it reverts to racism. Two Americas IS the racist. Callin' names like ignorant, bigot, White (likes using it as a curse), Nazi, neo-Nazi, genocide with anyone who doesn't agree with it.
Great article, as usual, Michelle!
To the rest of you: like those white, tobacco-chewin' fatasses in Alabama are gonna go out in the fields and pick their own goddamn cotton. Sorry if I'm not being PC here, but I used to live there, and I know exactly what this legislation is about! It's racist. End of story. What they should have done is offer the poor folks who slave away in their fields every day a path to legalizing their status as immigrants. Anyway, their legislation's going to backfire when they realize that NO ONE else is going to work the same hours for so little.
When did you live there, 60 years ago? Cotton is harvested by machine. No need to apologize, you are definitely PC, in that misguided progressive way.
I like your last sentence, agribiz and the CofC would be proud.
Yes, we want the legislation defeated so that people will be able to continue working "the same hours for so little".
I lived there less than 10 years ago and still visit. The point about the cotton was to make a reference to the past. I want there to be a path to citizenship for the many undocumented workers that society already abuses. I don't want racist, backward policies to push people into desperate conditions that allow them to be abused even more.
And, just so I'm clear: yes, I realize that there are good farmers in Alabama. In fact, I don't know that they are the ones who really pushed for this legislation. Probably a bunch of white folks who don't know what farming is like are the ones who pushed for it. Like I said: those folks are going to be the *last* people on earth to work in the fields.
Not clear on your definition of a "good farmer". Is that a farmer who is for the legislation or against it?
I guess you know nothing of Cesar Chavez. You know, the guy who makes you and Chen look like hostesses at a church social. You know, the guy whose own people forsook the solidarity that he advocated and eventually eradicated nearly everything he worked for. This is old history.
Oh, good gods. This is ridiculous. Why am I wasting time responding?
Step up.....
17 of 55 posts in this thread are yours. You have a very evident need, and/or paid obligation to utterly dominate this thread. How many mirrors are in your bedroom, you rabid narcissist?
The count would be significantly less if people weren't compelled to reply, as you have. If you can't play then the answer is to simply not reply. It's called a logical solution, something that probably doesn't reconcile with your mysticism and conspiracy theories. That is not a criticism, you're an interesting virtual character as are most of my critics.
It is absolutely essential that the things you post are countered. Not for your sake, not because you are important, but for the sake of everyone who posts or reads here.
No one expects to "win" an argument with you, let alone persuade you of anything. We post in spite of the fact that it gives you attention, and the temptation is to deny you that.
But there is something at stake here vastly more important than you, and more important than how any of us may feel about you - angry, for example, or frustrated.
It is vitally important that people stand up and speak out against this. When people do not, the outcome is always unspeakably inhumane.
You may win, and we may lose. But we will not stand silent, we will not turn away, we will not let this pass.
OK, I hope you get a chance to put down that cross. I'm sure your eternal vigilance will keep the Nazis, KKK, and all your other bogeymen in your closet, where they belong.
While you're standing guard there's fresh snow in the mountains and I have some new back-country skis I'm gonna try out.
Catch you on the next thread, two; you can count on it.
Snow is white, so you should feel comfortable.
Logitech,
in re: 'if you can't play then the answer is to simply not reply.' First off, I will start by saying I am a 'liberal.' You say not to reply, oh, yeah, that's what some of us did when this thing about race relations and anti-immigration first began to heat up. We were told to just ignore and they'd go away and that they were just loony. Look where we are today!
I for one, will not sit back anymore. I've mentioned before about the racial tensions in Antelope Valley (Lancaster, Palmdale Califas) tonight on ktla.com the news on channel 5 @10 showed a incident caught on video, the police (or should I say sheriff's deputies) about 4 attacked (beat) a man, then other deputies joined in. It was allegedly caught on tape of deputies giving each other the high-five afterwards. What the news showed was the first officer grabbing this Latino man by the neck and throwing him to the ground, then that's when other officer joined in. After all of this, the man is alleged to have suffered broken bones in his face as well as other injuries.
Here's my concern when anti-minority is ramped up, especially with talks of RAHOWA (racial holy war), minorities have shed a lot of blood as well as their lives in this country. The following incidents should be complementary to my claims about this, in the year 1917, St. Louis, riots due to black and white workers being pitted against each other, scores of blacks were killed and/or injured. Not to mention, in a lot of these riots, the blacks were disarmed, such as what is happening today, with gift cards for gun, in the gun buyback schemes - also the same year see Tulsa Riots. Then in 1919, Chicago. See the 'Draft Riot,' in New York - this really wasn't about the draft, but that what they called it. Then see the '12th St. Riot in Detroit,' in which Willard M. Romney's father George Romney called the National Guard and military to quell the violence, when all along these people of the riots were asking for better/affordable housing, jobs, less police harassment...
Thanks for sharing your experiences, skinny. I'm with you on the issue of police violence in the situations you describe above, it's deplorable in any situation. However, I think you're being a bit disingenuous by associating physical violence on minorities with opposition to illegal immigration as expressed on CD. Considering your many other well-written comments this one is quite frankly, distasteful. It's certainly a road I wouldn't go down, I'd be flagged in a minute. None of the state laws we're discussing nor the opinions expressed on this thread advocate violence. I'd like to think despite our differences of opinion we are civil and peaceful people.
bigotech found a comment distasteful. That's ironic.
Logitech,
that's my point exactly! No one is expressing or advocating violence, but, when talk like this continues, someone else always believe it is a call for violence. For example, we can use Glenn Beck - one of his followers that was arrested in California in respect to the Tides Foundation. All of the anti-Obama talk, I didn't want to say anything about this, but, an avid Ron Paul supporter/former candidate for city council in Carson, Califas posted messages on his FB that got him a visit from Secret Service - it is alleged he made comments like "Assassinate that F*** N*** and his monkey children..." and it is alleged he made comments that he was atheist but Ron Paul was his God...Now, Mr. Jules Manson is reportedly saying he is sorry, he didn't mean it, and he was angry about NDAA, and he should have calmed down before posting - but, it is alleged that he also posted a picture of Obama as Hitler. Now, this other poster at 'thechurchofjesuschrist.us' for the story 'Jules Manson, Tea Partier of the Year,' wrote, "I agree with Jules Manson about the Nigra in the White House.' Wasn't it last month that a man was arrested to firing at the White House?
So, again, I am just saying, when you whip people into a frenzy, eventually someone will act. Then you must take into consideration, workers displacing/replacing workers have been happening this country since its inception (meaning, people that came here to colonize). To give you an example, when you look back at the factory workers in New York, they were locked in a building that caught fire and most died - these were European women. They were then replaced with, (I think this is correct), black women, then the black women were replaced with (I think this is correct) Latino women, then the Latino women were replaced with (I think this is correct) Asian women ***not sure exactly which order the replacements happened, but this is to give you a sense of people being replaced in different industries.
It seems to be you that is trying to whip people into a frenzy. They're not finding Illegals hanging from oak trees in AL, the klan is not burning illegals housing. They're pretty much left alone and if they get sick or injured the local ER will take care of them. The school will also provide special education for their children. Yeah, we don't like it and we might loudly disapprove, that is a guaranteed right in this country and no amount of your sanctimonious PC BS could or should change that. We're trying to remove them legally.
Why don't you comment about what happens to illegals down in Mexico? You know, the mass graves and burned headless bodies, the rape and robbery of illegals coming from Central America. Please tell us those stories so we might have a better perspective.
Logitech,
While you might call my comments 'sanctimonious PC BS,' I'd have to liken yours to child's play - look what they are doing over there, so I'm not going to be their friend...Now, if you will, there was a few people from a police dept that was facing charges for allegedly helping to cover-up a deadly beating of an immigrant - I think it was Pennsylania. What about the immigrant worker that was beaten to death in Rhode Islands. There was a case in Texas where an immigrant was lured by a white teenager, then allegedly killed as well. What about the men on the border in Arizona that are not 'official border patrol?' What about the case in Huntington Beach, where some white teens went into a neighborhood and alleged to be looking for a fight with immigrants? There are more cases, but, again, let's also take the case of the men from India, Sikh Indians in fact, that was mistaken for people of Middle Eastern countries - Sacramento, Califas. Oh, and what about the national cry, "we're coming for you in 2012.' My point was about when people are pitting one group against the other when it comes to housing, jobs, and harassment. In addition, my point was to show that we don't want to go down that road again, as this country has a history of riots/violence when blaming one group over the other as to who gets what - again, people need to read up on the history of events in this country in reference to discrimination/racism/civil rights...and not just read it, but, not repeat it. This is how most of our laws came to be, riots/violence, and they should not be forgotten how this country gained the benefits it did have.
Still nothing about immigrant violence in Mexico? I think by now we know where your loyalties lie. Illegals wreak for more violent crime on US citizens then the few incidents you cite. Besides, you're getting off topic; this is about the AL laws. Which I keep referencing but you ignore to push your racist agenda. You just have a subtle way of playing the race card; something which you are probably quite experienced with.. You've been exposed skinny, usually all that's required on my part is patience.
Logitech,
Yes, there is violence in Mexico, and immigrants from other Central American countries often meet a fatal end. However, I tend to think it's a problem when we continue to involve ourselves in other countries. Yet, on the other hand, we do have bases in the general area, for example, Honduras, Panama...But again, I can't comment on the reasoning of this, only people that work for the government can do that. Something else, and this is just something you should ask yourself, do you think that our people whose job it is to know about all of this don't know who these people are? Something else you don't realize, this still goes back to 'oh well, wasn't me!' To give this example, when one of W's daughter went to Spain and her purse w/credit cards were stolen - all of the credit cards were canceled immediately, and no long term affects. If you and I were to have our credit cards stolen - it may take months/years to get all of this sorted out - from disputing the charges to our credit cards, to trying to fix credit reports...Then also, if most of us (meaning minorities) can be found if they are looking for us, they will find us. This is easy because of cellphones, FB, ATM cards, and even just a simple call to a friend or family. Thanks for the compliment, yes, I do have experienced with people using reverse-racism, as we have been hearing Beck, Limbaugh and some of the others complaining that it is their God-given right to have more rights than minorities. All I'm asking for, is that people be treated fairly. All that I am asking is that people (no matter where they come from) is given a level playing field. And for you to say that I am playing the race card, I assume you are talking about me not siding with the anti-immigrant groups - well, first off, again, I look at what's right. As far as the immigrants wreaking more violent crimes on US citizens, in case you haven't heard, different parts of L.A., some have/had waged a campaign of 'eliminating blacks.' But, that shouldn't mean that I have to label all immigrants nor discriminate against all immigrants - that results in prejudices.
Here's a story. I did the books for a concrete company of about 30 people paying taxes buying cars, buying houses, sending their kids to college, paying for Health Care (the company paid 50% of the cost), paying into retirement programs. Most of our big jobs were won by bidding. Then this contractor started hiring day labor and bidding against us. We couldn't win a bid. We had to include all of the above plus Workmen's Comp ($3,000 a month). The other contractor didn't have to pay anything.
WE WENT BANKRUPT. Now there are 30 men not paying taxes and not buying houses, and cars and not sending their kids to college and their unemployment is running out. You want to pit working people against working people to what end?Merry Christmas.
These are the stories pro-amnesty types choose to ignore. Before I became an engineer I was a licensed general contractor doing gov't, commercial and residential work. I'd win enough bids to employ a crew and pay my guys better than average wages. I absolutely refused to hire illegals. Other contractors didn't and eventually I just couldn't compete. I loved the work and still do to this day. Anyway, there used to be a good mix of anglo and latino generals in my state of NM. Now it's mostly latino with illegal crews. They bid the job so low I don't see how they make it. In the 80s I paid my carpenters $10 an hour; it's about that now. The once diverse construction sites filled with new pickups, laughing and bantering crews is now a monoculture of blasting mariachi music and beat up trucks. The illegals will live 6 to a room in the local cheap motels down of Central.
Look: if undocumented workers were provided a legalized path to citizenship, their pay would most likely have to conform to some standards - either set by the government or by the particular industry that they work in. Although this doesn't necessarily cut down on competition between workers in the labor pool for the same jobs, it could disincentivize hiring selectively from the pool of undocumented workers for employers. Currently, because they are not subject to any law that could regulate their earnings, undocumented workers are exploited as the cheapest possible labor.
Once upon a time, someone hired a crew of South/Central American workers to fix up the facade of the apartment complex I was living in (I don't know if they were undocumented or not). When they came around to my apartment, I offered the guys water. Most of them couldn't understand English. However, one of them struck up a conversation with me - his English was pretty good. He told me that he'd been an accountant back home, but that doing this work paid better. I asked him why he wasn't an accountant here in the States. He said his degree didn't count here. This was the only job he could get. In other words, we do have a lot of laws here that force people into these jobs, when they might be educated and trained otherwise. Not all of those folks are as you portray them.
I agree that there are people who exploit undocumented workers and gain unfair advantage from it. In particular, agriculture, as practiced in this country, has many problems with it, not just the exploitation of migrant workers.
A "path to citizenship" happened in 1986.
When you get a little more time on this planet and learn a little history your opinions will carry more weight.