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Are Americans in Line for Gitmo?
Though the 9/11 attacks occurred more than a decade ago, Congress continues to exploit them to pass evermore draconian laws on “terrorism,” with the Senate now empowering the military to arrest people on U.S. soil and hold them without trial, a serious threat to American liberties
Ambiguous but alarming new wording, which is tucked into the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) and was just passed by the Senate, is reminiscent of the “extraordinary measures” introduced by the Nazis after they took power in 1933.
And the relative lack of reaction so far calls to mind the oddly calm indifference with which most Germans watched the erosion of the rights that had been guaranteed by their own Constitution. As one German writer observed, “With sheepish submissiveness we watched it unfold, as if from a box at the theater.”
The writer was Sebastian Haffner (real name Raimond Pretzel), a young German lawyer worried at what he saw in 1933 in Berlin, but helpless to stop it since, as he put it, the German people “collectively and limply collapsed, yielded and capitulated.”
“The result of this millionfold nervous breakdown,” wrote Haffner at the time, “is the unified nation, ready for anything, that is today the nightmare of the rest of the world.” Not a happy analogy.
The Senate bill, in effect, revokes an 1878 law known as the Posse Comitatus Act, which banned the Army from domestic law enforcement after the military had been used —and often abused — in that role during Reconstruction. Ever since then, that law has been taken very seriously — until now. Military officers have had their careers brought to an abrupt halt by involving federal military assets in purely civilian criminal matters.
But that was before 9/11 and the mantra, “9/11 changed everything.” In this case of the Senate-passed NDAA – more than a decade after the terror attacks and even as U.S. intelligence agencies say al-Qaeda is on the brink of defeat – Congress continues to carve away constitutional and legal protections in the name of fighting “terrorism.”
The Senate approved the expanded military authority despite opposition from Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and FBI Director Robert Mueller – and a veto threat from President Barack Obama.
The Senate voted to authorize – and generally to require – “the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons” indefinitely. And such “covered persons” are defined not just as someone implicated in the 9/11 attacks but anyone who “substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.”
Though the wording is itself torturous – and there is a provision for a waiver from the Defense Secretary regarding mandatory military detentions – the elasticity of words like “associated forces” and “supported” have left some civil libertarians worried that the U.S. military could be deployed domestically against people opposing future American wars against alleged “terrorists” or “terrorist states.”
The Senate clearly wished for the military’s “law and order” powers to extend beyond the territory of military bases on the theory that there may be “terrorsymps” (short for “terrorist sympathizers”) lurking everywhere.
Is the all-consuming ten-year-old struggle against terrorism rushing headlong to consume what’s left of our constitutional rights? Do I need to worry that the Army in which I was proud to serve during the 1960s may now kick down my front door and lead me off to indefinite detention — or worse?
My neighbors have noticed, after all, that I now wear a longish beard and, sometimes, even a hat like Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki. And everyone knows what a terrorsymp he was. “If you see something, say something!”
Worse still, a few of my neighbors overheard me telling my grandchildren that President Obama should be ashamed to be bragging about having Awlaki, an American citizen, and later his 16 year-old son murdered without a whiff of due process. “If you hear something, say something!”
A Lost Respect
Citizens of powerful countries used to have their rights widely respected — at home and abroad. “I am a Roman citizen”—“Civis Romanus Sum” – once counted for something. Even more respect tended to greet “I am an American” — because of our power abroad and our once famous adherence to a written Constitution at home.
Adherence? Lately not so much. Not since power-hungry politicians set out to exploit 9/11 so that “everything changed,” including even the rights formerly guaranteed us by the Bill of Rights and the habeas corpus protection in the Constitution itself.
Awlaki’s is an interesting case in point. A Muslim whose moderating influence was sought after by the Washington Establishment in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, he became “radicalized” by our warring on his fellow Muslims. By noting that little-known fact, am I showing “support” for “al-Qaeda, the Taliban or associated forces”? Will the U.S. military be obliged to target me, too?
“Not you, Grandpa,” my grandchildren reassured me at Thanksgiving. “Even with the beard and the hat, you don’t really look very much like Awlaki, or like any kind of terrorsymp. You look different; and your light skin and American citizenship should suffice to keep you safe.”
I agreed that I would probably be okay, even if I kept up my vocal criticism of what is happening. But, truth be told, I harbored doubts even on Thanksgiving. And that was before the Senate version of the defense appropriation bill passed last Thursday.
Civis Americanus Sum. Yes, I am. But does that really count for much today? It certainly offered no protection to Awlaki, or to his son. What’s to prevent one of my former colleagues at the military or the CIA — those I have roundly criticized for endorsing and cheering on the kidnappers, torturers and assassins in their employ — from adding me to the “kill-or-capture-but-preferably-kill list”?
What has been happening in this continuation of a seemingly endless “war on terror” – amid widespread public indifference – makes Richard Nixon’s “Enemies List” look like a board game. At least, the Nixon White House had a modicum of good sense not to flaunt its skirting the law and violating constitutional rights.
It is a safe bet that functionaries at the National Security Council are updating the kill-or-capture list even now, confident that President Obama will sign the Senate version of the bill into law once it gets predictably endorsed by the Republican-controlled House.
Then, what is to prevent NSC “counterterrorist” functionaries from summoning the go-to lawyers still ensconced in the Justice Department and asking them for help in navigating what appear to be deliberate ambiguities in the new bill’s language.
Backed by a John Yoo-style “legal justification,” an order could be issued to “terminate” me, while reassuring my neighbors that, yes, just as you suspected, he was a terrorsymp. Or maybe they’ll simply order some troops from the 82nd Airborne at Fort Bragg, where I was stationed a half-century ago, to apprehend me and give me a free one-way ticket to Guantanamo.
After all, how bad could that be? Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld explained to CNN’s Wolf Blitzer in June 2005 that the detainees at Guantanamo were “living in the tropics. They’re well fed. They’ve got everything they could possibly want.” And would Rumsfeld lie?
Early Obfuscation
From my erstwhile colleagues at CIA, there has been more mumbo-jumbo aimed at disguising what is really afoot. According to press reports, the CIA general counsel has already said, disingenuously: “American citizens are not immune from being treated like an enemy if they take up arms against the United States.”
But one does not need to “take up arms” in order to be labeled a “combatant,” as the government is defining such terms. Awlaki didn’t take up arms; he was said to have provided “material support to terrorism” by his alleged – but unproven – encouragement of terrorist attacks on the United States. (Under the new NDAA, a similar fate could befall someone who advocates resistance to “coalition partners,” like NATO countries or some corrupt governments that are U.S. allies, such as the Karzai regime in Afghanistan or the terror-linked government of Pakistan).
In the broad strokes of defining American “partners” and al-Qaeda/Taliban “associated forces,” will Israel fall into the first group and Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah get lumped into the second?
Could material support be nothing more than providing financial support for the U.S. Boat to Gaza, which challenged the Israeli embargo of Hamas-ruled Gaza? If creative lawyers for this or some future administration get busy, would the new NDAA provide authority for the military to detain such a U.S. citizen under the Law of War and transfer him or her to Guantanamo or elsewhere?
Conflicting legal interpretations of the bill are now more about whether military detentions would be mandatory or would the president still retain some discretion.
In sum, the wording appears to create a parallel military justice system that, theoretically, we are all subject to. All that would be needed is an allegation by someone that we assisted someone who in some way assisted someone else in some way. An actual terrorist act would not be needed – and neither would a trial by one’s peers as guaranteed by the Constitution to determine actual “guilt.”
Should you be tempted to dismiss this as “liberal fear-mongering,” take a look at this item from FoxNews.com with its gleeful headline: “Democrat-Controlled Senate Passes Constitution-Shredding Defense Authorization Bill”:
“The bill would require military custody of a suspect deemed to be a member of Al Qaeda or its affiliates and involved in plotting or committing attacks on the United States. … The legislation also would give the government the authority to have the military hold an individual suspected of terrorism indefinitely, without a trial.
“‘Since the bill puts military detention authority on steroids and makes it permanent, American citizens and others are at greater risk of being locked away by the military without charge or trial if this bill becomes law,’ said Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union.”
A key element in the Senate bill, like the House version, is to expand the original Authorization of the Use of Military Force Act (AUMF) of September 2001 so it no longer links exclusively to 9/11. This creates the kind of ambiguity that allows Sens. John McCain, R-Arizona, and Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, to claim that the bill’s stringent provisions do apply to U.S. citizens, as well as non-citizens.
In addition, the new wording adds “associated forces” (whatever that means) to the previous AUMF’s list of targets. The language of the AUMF of September 2001 was limited to “those nations, organizations, or persons he [the President] determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons.”
Burning the Midnight Oil
It is a safe guess that the legal pharisees were burning the midnight oil, dissecting how the draft bill can say, on the one hand, that this or that provision does not apply to American citizens — but, oops, this other provision seems to allow them to be shipped off to Guantanamo, too.
Not being expert enough to do so, I happily leave it to them to parse the language, diagram the sentences, and do surgery on each jot and tittle. There will be a veritable feast for the legal beagles.
What speaks loudest to me is the fact that two key amendments did not pass. Senate Amendment 1125 would have limited the mandatory detention provision to persons captured abroad. And Amendment 1126 would have provided that the authority of the military to detain persons without trial until the end of hostilities would not apply to American citizens. Both amendments were voted down 45 to 55.
Though President Obama has objected to the Senate bill as going too far even by his “death-to-Awlaki” standard, a more troubling question is what might these new powers mean if, say, another terrorist attack hits the United States or if a more hard-line president comes to power.
Take, for example, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, one of the Republican presidential hopefuls. Before a stump speech in Manchester, New Hampshire, on Tuesday, Perry gave us a hint of what his policies, and maybe even his Cabinet, would look like.
Perry flew in none other than racial profiler par excellence, the sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona, Joe Arpaio. No, I’m not kidding; Perry apparently saw this as a way to strengthen his “law and order” credentials (accent, of course, on “order”).
As I sat in the audience, Arpaio’s arrival took me by surprise, so perhaps I can be forgiven for reflexively bellowing a prolonged boo, as Arpaio made his way slowly and carefully up to the lectern to warm up the crowd. Later it occurred to me that booing may be something that gets you on the chain gang in Maricopa County; Arpaio did not seem at all used to it, and he did not take it well.
Reaching the podium, he turned and demanded to know who was booing, so I stood up from my second-row-center seat and raised my hand high. Fortunately for me, he had none of his deputies along, and booing is apparently not yet banned at Town Hall meetings in New Hampshire. Only Arpaio seemed to pay much heed.
Although I knew enough about Arpaio to consider him fully deserving of a loud boo or two, I did not know the half of it. Let me treat you to some encomia from the sheriff’s own official Web site:
“Arpaio knows what the public wants, [and] has served them well by establishing several unique programs. Arpaio … started the nation’s largest Tent City for convicted inmates. Two thousand convicted men and women serve their sentences in a canvas incarceration compound. It is a remarkable success story. …
“Of equal success and notoriety are his chain gangs, which contribute thousands of dollars of free labor to the community. The male chain gang, and the world’s first-ever female and juvenile chain gangs, clean streets, paint over graffiti, and bury the indigent in the county cemetery.
“Also impressive are the Sheriff’s get tough policies. For example, he banned smoking, coffee, movies, pornographic magazines, and unrestricted TV in all jails. He has the cheapest meals in the U.S. too. The average meal costs between 15 and 40 cents, and inmates are fed only twice daily, to cut the labor costs of meal delivery. He even stopped serving them salt and pepper to save tax payers $20,000 a year.
“Another program Arpaio is very well known for is the pink underwear he makes all inmates wear. Years ago, when the Sheriff learned that inmates were stealing jailhouse white boxers, Arpaio had all inmate underwear dyed pink for better inventory control. … Arpaio looks forward to many more years as Sheriff of Maricopa County.”
Again, I am not making this up. You can check out the sheriff’s Web site for yourself for still more.
I have to concede that I find the last sentence about Arpaio’s future plans somewhat reassuring because if he plans to stay in Maricopa County, it means his policing policies would stay limited to a fairly small geographic area (although perhaps that’s not good news for the people of Maricopa County).
But things could be worse if a President Perry picked Arpaio to take over the Department of Justice and Attorney General Arpaio had a chance to incarcerate more of us in tent prisons. But Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder hasn’t exactly shown himself to be a great defender of constitutional rights either.
Perry Strutting His Stuff
Back in New Hampshire, after Arpaio provided a lackluster introduction, Perry took the stage, offering unctuous thank yous to Sheriff Joe. Perry then reminded us forcefully that he is a “law and order guy.”
That resonated with me in an unusually personal way — so much so, that I missed some of his other by now notorious remarks, like his appeal for all those 21 or over (sic) to vote for him in the New Hampshire primary and those from 18 to 21 to work hard and look toward the day when they too can vote. (sic)
Still, the words “law and order” stuck in my mind. I thought under what law did Perry several months ago call on Attorney General Holder to prosecute me and the other passengers on the Audacity of Hope, the U.S. Boat to Gaza as it challenged Israel’s blockade?
Because Perry had been busy glad-handing folks off to the side when I rose to plead guilty to booing Arpaio, the governor didn’t see who it was. And, as luck would have it, he called on me for the first question of the Q & A:
“I’m Ray McGovern, and I thank you for coming here, Governor Perry. My question pertains to a letter that you wrote to Attorney General Eric Holder on the 28th of June of this year, and I quote: ‘As governor of one of the largest states, I write to encourage you to aggressively prosecute those on the U.S. Boat to Gaza, who plan to interfere with Israel’s maritime blockade of Gaza.’
“You may not have been aware that, three days previous, the State Department spokeswoman was asked three times whether Israel’s maritime blockade of Gaza was legal and she refused to say the blockade was legal. I was one of those passengers on the U.S. Boat to Gaza, and with my co-passengers we were wondering what you, as the governor of Texas, a ‘law and order’ person … under what law did you wish to prosecute my co-passengers and me?”
Perry turned his response into a commentary on how much he supports Israel — no matter what. Like all of his rivals for the Republican nomination (except Ron Paul, who generally refuses to play this craven game), Perry is not about to let anyone outdistance him in expressing unqualified support for Israel. And so, he began:
“The issue was that … a … I am a very strong supporter of Israel. … I’ve made my point; I must stand with Israel. … I’m going to stand with Israel. … And you’re free to go stand with who you want to, Sir, … but I will be standing with Israel.”
“No matter what?” I asked. “No matter what” was his emphatic response that can be heard beneath a crescendo of applause from Perry supporters. [To watch the video of this encounter, click here.]
How Far Will It Go?
With the new language in the NDAA, it would appear that Gov. Perry and others might soon have all the law they need to stifle acts or words that give support to Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran or any other perceived threat to Israel, at least after Obama signs the legislation and some smart lawyers get to work on the definition of “associated forces.”
Then, will the 82nd Airborne be sent to fetch me if I continue to write and speak what I believe to be the truth on issues like these? What will I be risking if I keep hammering home little known facts like the following, which seldom, if ever, find their way into the Fawning Corporate Media (FCM)?
–Israel itself helped to create Hamas in 1987 as a Muslim fundamentalist, divide-and-conquer counterweight to the secular Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).
–The bulk of Hamas’s popular appeal — like that enjoyed by Hezbollah in Lebanon — stems not from the crude rockets fired toward Israel, but rather from the tangible help Hamas provides to oppressed Palestinians.
Is James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, now treading on thin ice? This is what Clapper included as a sort of afterthought at the end of his 34-page “Worldwide Threat Assessment” before the House Intelligence Committee on Feb. 10, 2011. (You guessed right; the FCM, for some reason, missed it):
“We see a growing proliferation of state and non-state actors providing medical assistance to reduce foreign disease threats to their own populations, garner influence with affected local populations, and project power regionally. … In some cases, countries use health to overtly counter Western influence, presenting challenges to allies and our policy interests abroad over the long run.
“In last year’s threat assessment, the Intelligence Community noted that extremists may take advantage of a government’s inability to meet the health needs of its population, highlighting that HAMAS’s and Hizballah’s provision of health and social services in the Palestinian Territories and Lebanon helped to legitimize those organizations as a political force. This also has been the case with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.”
This, most assuredly, is not the Official Washington party line. Could the Director of National Intelligence himself be prosecuted by those who believe that any good word for those that Israel considers enemies — like Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran — is tantamount to “material support” for terrorism?
(I do hope readers were not shocked by the diabolically clever way these “terrorist” movements garner public support — by providing life-saving medical care, for example.)
–It was on that public-service record (and also because of wide awareness of flagrant corruption in the PLO), that Hamas won a key parliamentary election in January 2006, defeating the PLO-affiliated Fatah party. While the election results were not disputed, they were not what the U.S., Israel and Europe wanted. So the U.S. and the EU cut off financial assistance to Gaza.
–Confidential documents, corroborated by former U.S. officials, show that thereupon the White House had the CIA try in 2007, with the help of Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, to defeat Hamas in a bloody civil war. That, too, did not go as expected. Hamas won handily, leaving it stronger than ever. [See “The Gaza Bombshell” by David Rose, in Vanity Fair, April 2008, for the entire sad story.]
–Israel and Egypt then imposed an economic blockade on Gaza eventually reducing virtually all Gazans to a bare subsistence level, with 45 percent unemployment.
–From Dec. 27, 2008, to Jan. 18, 2009, while President George W. Bush was a lame duck, Israel launched an armed attack on Gaza, killing about 1,400 Gazans compared to an Israeli death toll of 13. Israel’s stated aim was to stop rocket fire into Israel and block any arms deliveries to Gaza.
President-elect Barack Obama said nothing. His unconscionable silence at the slaughter should have told us at that early juncture that he, too, would feel so politically intimidated that he would mute any objections to Israeli behavior. Since then, he has retreated from even his mild objections to Israel’s expanded settlements on Palestinian lands.
Guilt by Association
The United States is widely seen as responsible for Israel’s aggressive behavior, which is hardly surprising. It is no secret that Israel enjoys financial assistance ($3 billion per year), military backing, and virtually unquestioned political support from Washington.
What is surprising, in the words of Salon.com commentator Glenn Greenwald, is “how our blind, endless enabling of Israeli actions fuels terrorism directed at the U.S.,” and how it is taboo to point this out.
Take for example former CIA specialist on al-Qaeda, Michael Scheuer, who had the audacity to state on C-SPAN: “For anyone to say that our support for Israel doesn’t hurt us in the Muslim world … is to just defy reality.”
The Likud Lobby got Scheuer fired from his job at the Jamestown Foundation think tank for his forthrightness, and the Israeli media condemned his C-SPAN remarks as “blatantly anti-Semitic.” There can be a high price to pay for candor on this issue.
That is what those behind the noxious language in the NDAA seem to intend. Sens. Carl Levin and John McCain are said to be the driving force behind the new language. No one in the Senate or House has received more funding from donor institutions related to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) than Levin, a Michigan Democrat.
For his part, McCain loves to demonstrate his unquestioning support for Israel — no matter what. He has even called for the release of convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard, who is currently serving a life sentence for passing highly sensitive, highly damaging U.S. secrets to Israel.
A few weeks ago, McCain parroted Tel Aviv’s line on Iran alleged drive to acquire a nuclear weapon (for which U.S. intelligence sees no concrete evidence) and how that creates a “direct existential threat to the state of Israel.” McCain added that Israel “may feel compelled to neutralize this threat.”
Would it be risking running afoul of the language in the defense authorization bill to expose this rhetoric for what it is — rubbish — noxious rubbish that makes it easier for Israel to believe it will enjoy full U.S. support, no matter what, should Israeli leaders decide to attack Iran?
The supreme irony is that such an attack would probably bring on a major war, global economic collapse, and possibly the destruction of Israel itself. Oops, what was that sound at the door? What do you mean — the 82nd is on the front porch?
Sorry; gotta go. Send cards and letters. My wife will probably be told, in due course, where they’ve put me. My only hope now is that Rumsfeld, for once, was telling the truth about detainees having “everything they could possibly want” in that tropical resort named Guantanamo?
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Show AllI took my 75 year old mother to the airport yesterday. In my car. Which I turned off while I took out her luggage. From the moment I stopped, to the moment I hugged her and we parted, an airport security officer made it plain as day that HE was the most important person in the transaction. He looked over my trunk as I extracted her luggage, then moved with us to the area of the sidewalk where she would enter the airport. When I hugged my Ma, I honestly thought I could feel his breath on my neck.
You are guilty until proven innocent. You are under suspicion until proven otherwise. 9-11 DID change everything: it let the fascists out of the bag, and this country is probably going to have to do a Germany circa 1945 before they are safely back in again.
Yeah, male airport security officers are total creepazoids, for the most part (the female airport security personnel are better, from what I've observed). In response to your earlier SNL skit, I post this one, which is relevant to this comment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNA2y_tNy5Y
Too funny. The last time I went through security, there was a group of military personnel in front of me, given all the deference our modern society provides. One of them had a patch on the back of his 'Desert-Storm' camoflaged backpack that read: "We kill for peace". Google the words "We kill for peace" and you'll find the company you can buy these from. I almost clocked the dude myself, but knew I'd have spent the next two days getting 'inspected' by TSA's finest. In light of what America just did to Iraq, I cannot believe the disconnect from reality on display in this country. 'There is no way to peace, peace is the way' would be lost on most of them. They are a lost generation of Americans, if you ask me. Call them the 'Murdoch generation'.
While visiting there, I kept asking Americans why they put up with all this shite and received no good answer. Most merely shrugged, some actually said it was keeping them safe, others hated me for the question. McGovern is a brave man for writing this, the protesting students and OWS-ers are, too. I recall so many of us warning America during the 60s what would happen and now it has. Niemoller said it then in Germany and still it applies, but this time to all Americans:
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
"Loyalty to the American people always, loyalty to the government when it deserves it--Mark Twain
déjà vu! i just read your article at "consortium news" those who have found a "safe haven" in the institution we know as the federal government feel the tremors as "reality" crashes in on all sides yet believe that protecting the institution which supports the lavish life-style to which they have grown accustomed at the expense of citizens equals patriotism.
several common dreamers have suggested we, the 99% "hang together" and hold our own constitutional seminar. i've been thinking that should we accomplish this we include an article stipulating a complete public re-write every, say 30 years. "the bill of rights" begins "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW ABRIDGING..." well, over the decades our misleaders have enacted a whole lot of self-serving illegal legislation.
When I first heard of what was going on relative to the NDAA, and that John McCain and Carl Levin surreptitiously inserted this language, I had an uneasy feeling that the Zionist occupation was behind it. Actually reading how that influence is subverting our constitution is intellectually vindicating but emotionally terrifying. Just how far will these officials be allowed to act contrary to their oath of office to the Constitution? The loss of which of our freedoms (sic) will be the straw that breaks the camels back? In my view, freedom of speech will be the last to fall because it’s the best way to identify the “terrorsymps” (in Ray McGovern’s language). Don’t forget, once Gitmo if filled up we still have plenty of room at the FEMA camps.
I’d like to see this new law used against the REAL perpetrators of 9/11.
Our own gulags, ready and waiting, we just need the "right" language to get citizens in there. Maybe it will be like the for-profit private prisons infesting our country. We will be locked up, and given jobs and no one will hear from us again.
A handful of Senators objected to this! We are doomed.
I too looked at how many Jewish people voted for this POS and thought that their ancestors that died in the camps would be SO proud of them.
Israel has been using the Holoucaust for cover so they can do whatever the hell they want.
If that is true, the the Indians should be able to use their genocide to slaughter us.
The Blacks should use their slavery to slaughter and imprison us.
Yes it was horrible. And Eisenhower knew it was going on. Just like he knew the Japanese were going to attack us. That is why he moved the newest ships out, and let it happen. Just like we needed the FF 9/11 to invade Iraq. And the rest of the world.
9/11 changed everything. Including the 'brave' people of the USA who now let the TSA grope our irradiate them.
And the quote:
First they came for.... is accurate.
The people here in the US had no problem with Muslims being kidnapped, tortured, and killed. Now it is happening to them.
"And Eisenhower knew it was going on."
do you mean Roosevelt?
Well doesnt it mean 3 meals and a day and roof over your head LOL?
Thank you so much for your work and for the alarm that you are sounding. I am a retired judge from NH and I was in the 82d, maybe with you. Nancy and I were recently arrested in DC during demonstrations at the Hart and Rayburn buildings at the Capitol. We were taking direct action in civil disobedience. The machine, of course, will not be stopped without a fight. Thanks for hammering on the machine with this piece.
Hi Judge Brennan, Could you give us some insight as to why so many Federal Judges are so careless in dealing with constitutional issues? Thanks
Much respect and many thanks for your bold activism, Justice Brennan, and I second iwonder's request.
Would also like your take on the OWS movement, specifically how capable you think it is of fighting against the forces of such pervasive evil.
"All that would be needed is an allegation by someone that we assisted someone who in some way assisted someone else in some way. An actual terrorist act would not be needed – and neither would a trial by one’s peers as guaranteed by the Constitution to determine actual “guilt.”
This excerpt from the article in combination with the news last week that the highest degree of separation between any 2 humans had been recalculated down to 4.5 would no doubt make everyone on the planet theoretically actionable under these writs. It will all depend on who is the Decider as to how and when the selective enforcement will befall its victims. Reminds me of the story of King David in the Bible with the vineyard and Bathsheba. Sigh.
So will the Demobot and Obamabots comment on this article and call Ray McGovern an Obama basher, or do they skip reading articles like this that tell some of the inconvenient truth about Obama and the Democrats?
You are off topic. Try to provide something productive to the discussion...
this is how the powers that be will control dissent : they will now simply arrest you.... and confiscate all you own. that way they will have enough assets, albiet illegally obtained, to keep the state going, and scare off any further dissent, except from those who truly have nothing left to lose.
worked in imperial rome, nazi germany, why not here too ? same idea, same tactics
Here's a humorous look at what its like to live in America these days:
http://tonightsforecastdark.blogspot.com/2011/12/snl-coach-bert-is-not-pedophile-sexual.html
Hey, the video in that link is not available to people in my area (north of the Great Lakes). No reason is given by the web-page. The following link works here though:
http://www.gossipcop.com/steve-buscemi-snl-sexual-predator-coach-bert-sketch-video-pedophile-saturday-night-live-watch/
Maybe someone can explain to me how the US federal government is any different from the Mafia or the Mexican drug cartels? It "whacks" people that it merely suspects might be acting against it with little concern for innocent people that may be in the area. It takes protection money, (small fines), from large corporations, allowing to admit no wrong doing and continue their crimes, and beats its consumers, formerly referred to as citizens, for them wanting it to do the right thing by them.
I find it interesting that this scum, formerly referred to as Senators have the nerve to write laws that go against the constitution that they have sworn to protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
If we had a functioning free press in this country, the passage of this bill that allows the military to jail US citizens indefinitely without a trial would be front page news, and would be the lead story on the evening news, but sadly it was not.
My blog: http://what-could-posibly-go-wrong.blogspot.com/
As far as I can tell the mafia doesn't support a National Parks Service. It doesn't support the arts, or education or give pensions , or make roads and bridges.
Etc etc
As far as I can tell, the US govt. doesn't either...
NC-Tom,
your post resonated w/ me. i posted this comment yesterday. i'm not a lawyer, but if there are any lawyers out there in CD land willing to comment - i'd appreciate it if one of you could clarify this for me. if the posse comitatus act is now an anachronism, can the military be used in conjunction w/ any law enforcement agencies - regardless of the crime ? in addition to terrorism, there also was language in the defense authorization bill that focused on maintaining the drug war.
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Posted by iowablackbird
Dec 4 2011 - 1:47am
there are many reasons to veto a 925 page defense authorization bill.
"Sec. 1031. Affirmation of authority of the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force."
grants authorization to the military to pursue and detain.
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above, in the counter drug portion (counter drug activities) of the bill it states:
{Sec. 1011. Five-year extension and modification of authority of Department of Defense to provide additional support for counterdrug activities of other governmental agencies.
Sec. 1012. Five-year extension and expansion of authority to provide additional support for counter-drug activities of certain foreign governments.
Sec. 1013. Reporting requirement on expenditures to support foreign counterdrug activities.
Sec. 1014. Extension of authority for joint task forces to provide support to law enforcement agencies conducting counter-terrorism activities.
Sec. 1015. Extension of authority to support unified counterdrug and counterterrorism campaign in Colombia.}
this language is absolutely orwellian considering that the cia is one of the biggest facilitators of drug trafficking in the world (afghani production of poppies increased after US boots on the ground). i also wonder how much cocaine the company is allowing (for a tax - that funds black operations) into the US and how our official policy is tied into this.
i note this, b/c if the military can pursue/incarcerate political criminals (thought crime in addition to actual violence - terrorism ... whatever that exactly means) and the military is facilitating (additional government support) other government agencies in their fight against the plague called drugs (which the cia is actually distributing) - can military intelligence and police be used to arrest "criminals" (not terrorists per se) in the US ? america already has more incarcerated people in jails per capita than an other country in the world.
DOD intelligence and the myriad gangs throughout the clans of alphabet soup (NSA, CIA, DHS, DEA.. and all their subordinates) can pursue any perceived foe anywhere on the planet (including in USA). it's good for business - murder and stymie your opponents. it always has been good for business - guns, drugs, gold, oil. property acquired and protected by hired guns. the defense dept - i mean the war dept.
...peace...
Some will leave this planet knowing they lived according to their conscience, and some will leave being the fearful or complacent dead weight that was their only contribution.
Yet some will have to answer to their actions while here and hopefully it will be very unpleasant.
And most will only leave full privies - Leonardo da Vinci
Mr McGovern's opinions carry extra weight. Because of his government service, he cannot be simply be brushed off as some kind of anti government nutcase. It is very important that others in, or that have been in government, law enforcement, military, judiciary, or other service, to come forward, and explain to the people that speaking out against bad government is not unpatriotic, but a duty. Please, if you are sitting on the sidelines, it's time to speak up before it's to late. The country you love, and swore to protect, is at a serious crossroad. It is time to stand up and be counted!
You have great services on your Rez. Like electricity and computers and internet.
That's more than a lot of the urban poor have.
If it is morally acceptable to hold others in prison without Trial - why not US citizens? What is the moral arguement for doing unto others what we are unwilling to do to ourselves?
There is another reason why Gitmo should not exist. It costs $800,000 per year for each prisoners - whose treatment is so poor that many are on suicide watch. $800,000 per year per prisoner is because the guards have a high life style which includes an Irish Pub, schools for their children, gyms, scuba and fishing trips etc. The moral arguement is better but there is the $$$ too.
"What is the moral arguement for doing unto others what we are unwilling to do to ourselves?"
nine/eleven.
"The Senate bill, in effect, revokes an 1878 law known as the Posse Comitatus Act, which banned the Army from domestic law enforcement after the military had been used —and often abused — in that role during Reconstruction. Ever since then, that law has been taken very seriously — until now. Military officers have had their careers brought to an abrupt halt by involving federal military assets in purely civilian criminal matters."
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Actually, H.R. 5211 in 2007 has already encroached on (nullified?) Posse Comitatus.
See:
H.R.5122 -- John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 -- go to:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:6:./temp/~c1099Kmkyu:e939907:
Search on "1076" Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies (actual text is fairly short)
If they hated us for our freedoms they must love us now.
Ray McGovern raised points that some of us saw coming and have battered around in this forum for some time. We hoped we were half-joking. My only criticism with Mr. McGovern is that he always makes Israel the centerpiece of his case. While Israel has a formidable lobby and DOES negatively influence U. S. foreign policy, I still find this singular focus to represent a glaring blindspot in Mr. McGovern's vision. Where is similar outrage for ample injustices in other lands? The 1 million homeless in Haiti? The women gang-raped in Congo? The drone warfare into Afghanistan and likely Pakistan? The crackdown on protests in Syria & Egypt? The environmental holocaust fueled by the monoplistic energy consortiums associated with big oil, big coal, and big nuclear? I mean the LIST of travesties is long... and I didn't get to the bankers' heist (insider bailout) that has left numerous national economies imploding from within with GREAT suffering going 'round.
There are numerous areas where conscientious citizens feel obliged to take their government on, not the least of these distills to its basic lawlessness. Just as the parable of the slowly boiling frog reminds us that these types of legal inversions happen by slow increments, the cover-up of 911, the Supreme Court deciding on the 2000 election, the failure to prosecute "leaders" for a naked war of aggression, the rendering of torture into a "legal" basis for interrogation, the retroactive rendering of spying on citizens as "legal" protocol, and now the martial muscle being directed at the various OWS camps... ALL of this shows that persons in power are OUT of control, in violation of the Constitution, Habeas Corpus, The Geneva Conventions and the Bill of Rights.
The more wrong-doing on the part of those who've amassed power, the more they wish to threaten anyone who might seek the ways, means, or media to expose their deeds and hold them to account! The more money and muscle projected into the spying on citizens (and lots of people will accept the roles of paid informers in otherwise tough financial times), the more this faux government arrogates to itself the right to perform its work, run its agenda, and make ITS laws in secrecy.
The law of karma always triumphs; and just as Mother Earth has allowed humanity (primarily the "developed" nations) to ruin so much so quickly, in both instances the reckoning will arrive. It would seem that time is being allotted for persons to learn from these trespasses and daily atrocities, for the purpose behind Life Is learning. (I don't have the wonderful quote from "The Once And Future King" to back that comment up, but if someone else does, I hope they will post it.)
Ray, you are a true Etonian. Our natives have already been where we are now. They've stopped bailing and we're getting worried because its getting closer to midnight. Pollyanna has left early.... she said something about having an upset stomach....E pluribus unum, was printed on the exit signs, but the way they stormed out of the dance hall you would have thought differently.
What is needed is a Truth And Reconciliation Committee; the planet needs healing.
We are getting too close to that fateful hour, I'm willing to bet, China can sell us man-made follies cheaper than we can manufacture them ourselves. That way we can take our savings with us, as to wherever that may be.
I'll look for you there Ray, to buy you a drink.
Ray McGovern points out the two most significant long term threats embodied in the Senate's National Defense Reauthorization Act, which he attributes to the spirit of bipartisan cooperation between Senator John McCain and my state's senior Senator and Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Carl Levin (D) of Michigan.
First is the Senate bill's scary erosion of the Posse Comitatus Act (which bars US armed forces from taking part in domestic criminal law enforcement activities on American soil absent a declaration of emergency/martial law jointly by state and federal officials - as happened during the 1967 riot in Detroit and the Kent State student shootings in the early 70's, for instance).
Second is the mission creep language not-too-subtly expanding the infamous 2001 AUMF resolution. That use of military force statute remains the sole legal basis for the initial invasion and continued US/NATO military presence in Afghanistan a decade later under the federal War Powers Act.
The devil is in the details again indeed.
Further intrusion of the active duty military into institutionalized domestic law enforcement is absolutely the last thing this country needs. By and large, the Posse Comitatus Act historically has worked pretty well in keeping uniformed troops out of Americans' daily affairs. Waco was a significant, rare exception to the general rule. Once you open up that can of worms, you create a whole host of potential threats to democratic accountability when inevitable abuses inevitably arise.
If you live in New York City, Oakland, Peoria, or Mayberry RFD, you do have some available political and legal remedies if the local cop constabulary runs amok. But good luck trying to go to the state or federal courts for relief against the Pentagon. Good luck too, trying to hold a general or a presidential commander-in-chief accountable through the ballot box, or by turning to your local elected federal office holders. If the knock on the door is a soldier come to take someone in your household to a military brig, rather than a cop come to make an arrest and transport someone in cuffs to the county jail, your civil rights become an unenforceable joke.
The expansion of the 2001 AUMF's limiting language is equally scary. According to high government and mainstream media reports, Osama bin Laden is dead. There's not many folks left at large anywhere anymore that can be plausibly linked to the official narrative of events which occurred on September 11, 2001. What revisiting the 2001 use of force resolution appears to do is put Congress on record endorsing an endless, geographically expanded, even more ambiguously defined "global war on terror", just as setting a deadline for withdrawal from Afghanistan is in sight, at long last. This is a huge, dangerous step in exactly the wrong direction.
What intrigues me is the 2011-2012 partisan politics at work. The Obama White House is sending out veto threat warnings. SecDef Panetta, the Attorney General, the director of the FBI, and the head of the National Security Council are all publicly opposing the Senate bill's language. The motives of GOP heavyweights like John McCain and Lindsey Graham, and blue dog hawks like Joe Lieberman, are easy to fathom. But why would Carl Levin and several other loyal Dems want to join in a major bipartisan effort to put this controversial turd on Barack Obama's plate at this particular moment in the election cycle?
Assuming the GOP-controlled House passes the Senate bill and Obama caves and does sign it, then the dirty deed is done. If there's a presidential veto, the margins are close to being able to possibly override and pass the measure anyway. If a 2/3 override effort failed and a presidential veto stuck, it looks like raw red meat for the neocon hawks and an awkward internal embarassment on national security for the Democrats.
It's terrible public policy of course, any way you slice it. But I find the partisan/bipartisan tea leaves completely baffling.
I think I'll write my Senator. Maybe he can explain.
Bill from Saginaw
Bill: With all due respect, have you missed the FINE arguments raised in this forum exposing how closely "both" parties work together to further the interests of the Empire State? And did you forget Eisenhower's warning with respect to the growing influence of the MIC? The third factor, to consider, is who these senators answer to... the big money interests are fighting HARD to maintain the status quo. It's a status quo that stinks to high heaven, and between the smoke and mirrors used to hold up the ILLUSION that our economy can withstand the trafficking in derivatives to the tune of MANY trillions, to the end of cheap oil, to the increasingly expensive & dangerous climate change events... they KNOW they can't hold on much longer. Millions protesting in the streets in various countries and numerous American cities spells trouble for the new Amerikan Bastille. What better way to THINK you can contain the ruckus than to equate protest, especially in forms strong enough to challenge the make-war, answer-to-profit-only establishment, with "Terrorist" acts... those not worthy of any legal consideration, nor just recourse. And I didn't even get to the senseless wars and the inevitabilty of karmic blowback.
On view is a textbook example--we're watching History Live--in the predictable manners by which absolute power corrupts absolutely. The one difference: this is the 21st century model, armed with pollsters, control of media, surveillance of citizens, sophisticated weaponry, AND a very pervasive police state.
When history is NOT what it usually is -- a long flow of events,
from past initiation, through present alterations, and on to
predictable future benefits -- there is soon discovered a crux :
a "point" beyond which the past does not determine the future.
Siouxrose posted: " ... big money interests are fighting hard
to maintain the status quo ..." , or what I would interpret as their
putatively expected, orderly flow from prior-established
practices unto enlarged future benefits. But the expectation
is known to be MERELY putative by all who see truth clearly.
[The Big Operators may themselves believe what they say
and act upon: The "intuition" that everything will work out for
the best because it always has done so before. OR they may
not believe, and only say and ACT AS THOUGH everything
will work out .... What IS their mind-set?]
When events are about to come to a crux, various schemes
of men will be pursued. With regard to Senate bill 1867,
Sections 1031 and 1032, one such scheming scenario was
suggested from Bill from Saginaw's post. As I read, it is as
follows: The legislation to be obtained from Senate bill 1867
is the authorization, presumably vital for continuance of the
U. S. military in 2012, and it was "mined" with Sections 1031
and 1032. Obama can veto the bill, but he is then obliged
to veto the ENTIRE bill, thereby disabling the entire military.
We can be sure THAT will be in the Republican nominee's
campaigning in 2012, making Obama rejected by pro-military
voters (and they are many). Or Obama can sign the bill into
law, but doing so he alienates his supposed base -- Liberals,
Progressives, Moderates -- in several particulars, not least
of which is that he promised in 2008 to close "Gitmo", but
now is in the position of making it permanent. Either way he
looses. Obama's status in 2013 and later is not anything I'm
likely to loose sleep about, with regard to the particular man.
What man, and what kind of a man, will replace him? THAT'S
what worries me.
In my opinion, the above described scenario is peopled with
bit players. Either they (the senators) don't know what larger
scheme they're lending their support to (as crass "politicos"),
or else they do know and don't care. In either case, what We
The People have in congress is a bunch of "pawns".
Siouxrose's post perceives, in the conclusion I took away,
that 300 million Americans with independent minds have now
gotten to be unwanted (and superfluous) in the schemes of the
Big Operators. They would program us to merely get money
and spend money, and don't oppose what the Big Operators
posit as the larger scheme. If we do so oppose, we will be
detained and re-programmed. But what both the bit players
and the Big Operators are not seeing is that the schemes of
both of themselves are fast approaching a crux of history.
The near future is not predictable. As I have read, multiple
trillions of contingent liabilities are "traded" back and forth
between Big operators. Just like AIG's dealings pre-2008.
The whole complicated interwoven web of contingencies
can crash, just like the AIG's credit-default "insurance" of
packaged and securitized mortage loans crashed against
the simple events of "homeowners" walking away from their
homes. The crux is ahead. I think it must be encountered
soon. How will we choose to act now, anticipating a crux?
We can be slaves or we can be free men, depending on
how we decide to act now.
If I were Obama, I'd veto the whole damned bill. He's very
likely to be voted out of the presidency anyway. I'd act for
how I'd be judged by future historians,. (If there are any.)
Hi Bill, Yes it does seem somewhat baffling on the surface, but consider this. Levin introduces provisions to the bill he knows will be irresistible to rabid dog repubs like Graham and McCain. So in bipartisan bliss the senate says yes yes yes. Now Obama gets to be a hero to the left by saving our civil rights from a grave injustice, I will veto this bill to protect the constitutional rights of American citizens he will proudly proclaim. The left will say yes, Obama is all of that, he's our man. In the meantime he will continue to kidnap, or kill anyone he feels like, (make him look strong on national security) with the authority of the patriot acts and executive orders. Win win for Obama's reelection campaign. Maybe I'm to cynical, but we will see .
"Maybe I'm to[o] cynical..."
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C'est impossible!
"No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up."
- Lily Tomlin
Hi OS Thanks for the to too. I'm not (to) good with spelling and grammar. I obviously am not qualified to or too be the one to or too say this but I think English spelling rules SUCK. Why is it called English, when the spelling rules were thought up by a drunken Irishman? If not for spell check my posts would look like the scribbles of a pirate on the Spanish Main.
Iwonder,
Simply write as if you were talking to a neighbor and you will get along just fine.
Thomas Gilbert-
Reply to iwonder:
You think perceptively; what you say may be so.
I have a different take. As I posted a few minutes
ago, I think its loose-loose for Obama. He is now,
I think, in a no-win situation regarding a large
portion of the Americans who actually do vote.
But what happens to Obama has now been made
irrelevant in the schemes of the Big Operators.
They have "played their hand" well from their point
of view. I reckon they're willing to discard Obama
now that he has served them for four years. By
working through congressmen who are delighted
to get back at Obama for promising to close "Gitmo"
-- through a law forbiding ending military detention --
the Big Operators slipped-in widening the numbers of
future detainees. "Oh what a tangled web they weave..."
As I understand, the Supreme Court rejected any line
item veto. Obama has to veto the ENTIRE bill.
Very interesting exchange between yourself (Obama in a lose/lose position), and iwonder (Obama in a win/win situation). I lean towards your prognostication.
If Barack Obama does step up to the plate and veto the Senate bill for the stated reasons that it would threaten the citizenry's civil liberties and infringe on the national security prerogatives of the executive branch, I don't think he would score many brownie points with large portions of his 2008 electoral base, who remain deeply disillusioned with his hawkish war and targeted drone assassination policies, the bank bailouts, his inability to close Gitmo, and his refusal to investigate or hold any of the Bushies legally accountable for their crimes. Too little too late. On the flip side, the pro-military right wing grassroots would be re-energized against him, depicting Obama's veto of the 2012 National Defense Appropriation Act as a callous stabbing of our heroic American troops in the back.
Thus, I remain baffled. Why would the DLC neoliberal centrists want to jeopardize their own standard bearer's re-election chances?
Symbolically reauthorizing an endless, boundary-amorphous global war on terror and an enhanced military role in domestic politics and law enforcement makes perfect sense as an election issue if you are an ideological true believer in perpetuating the Bush/Cheney legacy, or are a big institutional player in the Washington DC military/industrial/national security complex. But it makes no sense whatsoever - it is strictly counterproductive, within the narrow, self interest ethic of a two major party horse race - for partisan Democrats of any stripe to sign on and facilitate that issue framing scenario in the upcoming election cycle Kabuki dance.
Bill from Saginaw
"his inability to close Gitmo"
c'mon Bill, you know better than that.
Thank you, Bill and Aequum, I read and write on this site, because I seek understanding, not to be right or wrong. Exchanging thoughts and ideals with folks like yourselves, gives me hope that it just might be possible to get this country back on the right tract. Thankfully my children are not cynical like myself, that also gives me hope. I don't want my children to grow up to be me, and I don't want the country they raise their children in, to be like the country that we are living in now. I thank you for your thoughts and ideals, keep posting, and keep hoping. Good Day!
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Just as soon as Obama signs the bill, which the great capitulator surely will.
Senator Rand Paul produced a stinks-to-high-heaven budget plan, BUT he did offer an amendment to the defense authorization bill calling for the repeal of the 2002 Authorization for Use of Force that has given cover to both Bush/Cheney and Obama ever since. His amendment, #1064, was unfortunately defeated 67 to 30, with 3 senators not voting. Without that 2002 authority, any such foolishness as military detention of citizens without charge or trial would have been impossible. Rand Paul and his dad Ron are both, as is the Progressive Caucus, ready to put our horribly obese military on a crash diet.
Yes.
I never thought it was a terrorist attack as planes are incapable of knocking down a skyscrapper of "Bundled Tube" construction. I saw it for what it was, and is, another Reichstag Fire or the NeoCons next Pearl Harbor, and a key step toward a 4th Reich.
Put your head back in the sand and pretend it's a bad dream. Maybe you won't wake up in Gitmo....this time.