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Do Iran's Objections to the IAEA Report Deserve Consideration?
Much of the U.S. media, with instigation from hawkish voices in Israel, France, the U.K. and the U.S., has been whipped into an anti-Iran frenzy over the last week surrounding the release of a much-ballyhooed report from the Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). The report, which expresses the Director General’s “serious concerns regarding possible military dimensions to Iran’s nuclear program,” has been dismissed by Iranian leaders as politically biased in favor of the U.S. administration, and lacking in any direct evidence of a weapons program.
In a sentence now removed from the web version of the article in which it appeared (it can still be found in external links to the article, like the one here), the New York Times’ Robert Worth described the Iranian response thus:
Professing outrage over the release of a United Nations report on Iranian nuclear ambitions, Iran’s leaders escalated their anti-American vitriol on Wednesday, calling the report a fabrication, denouncing its chief author as a Washington stooge and vowing that their country would not be bullied into abandoning its nuclear program.
The same article refers to “voluminous evidence not previously disclosed,” and the Washington Post editorial board goes one step further, stating that the report “ought to end serious debate about whether Tehran’s program is for peaceful purposes.” But rarely do the scions of the informed public give their readers insight into what sort of evidence is used to support the report’s claims, where it comes from or how the Iranian regime has refuted those claims.
A deeper look into just that, however, may cast serious doubts on the report’s objectivity and veracity, raising the question: just how far-fetched are Iran’s claims that the IAEA Directorate General is politically compromised?
Prior to the release of the report on Tuesday, November 8, White House press secretary Jay Carney augured that the report’s findings would “echo and reinforce” the long-held U.S. stance that the Iranian government seeks to build nuclear weapons, contrary to its obligations under the Non-Proliferation Treaty. And indeed, Carney’s foresight was by no means preternatural: as evidenced in this 2009 diplomatic cable released by Wikileaks, the U.S. had secured the support of IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano in its campaign against the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program as a quid-pro-quo for American support of his candidacy in the wake of Egyptian Nobel Laureate Mohammad El-Baradei’s resignation.
But could one man’s personal bias really manipulate the IAEA’s evidence – what the Washington Post referred to as “over 1,000 pages of documents, interviews with renegade scientists who helped Iran and material from 10 governments”? Well, that depends.
A devastating piece of reporting from Gareth Porter of Inter Press Service follows one of the main pieces of evidence cited in the report to its source. The report, Porter says,
repeated the sensational claim previously reported by news media all over the world that a former Soviet nuclear weapons scientist had helped Iran construct a detonation system that could be used for a nuclear weapon.
But it turns out that the foreign expert, who is not named in the IAEA report but was identified in news reports as Vyacheslav Danilenko, is not a nuclear weapons scientist but one of the top specialists in the world in the production of nanodiamonds by explosives.
In other words, his legitimate reason for being in Iran from 1996-2002 was not a cover, it really was legitimate. As Porter points out, the Washington Think-Tanker who helped spread the word of this “renegade scientist” theory, David Albright, admitted the intelligence claims from an unidentified “member state” that spawned the theory almost certainly came from Israel. Later, that intelligence was incorporated into Amano’s findings without any independent verification.
And Israel’s authority on nuclear non-proliferation should be completely null by now, considering that the Jewish State possesses a sizeable secret arsenal of its own and shared nuclear technology with the murderous apartheid regime of South Africa for years. But what about the other intelligence sources?
Another fount of evidence supporting Amano’s report is likely the so-called “laptop of death” allegedly nabbed from an Iranian scientist by U.S. intelligence services in 2005. The smoking gun evidence on the laptop was all written in English, had no reference to official classification, and included graphs made on Microsoft PowerPoint. When this piece of evidence first surfaced in 2007 in connection to the U.S. National Intelligence Estimate on the Iranian nuclear program, it was largely dismissed by IAEA officials and international diplomats as a likely forgery. But that was before Yukiya Amano headed the agency. Indeed, Amano’s predecessor El Baradei publicly confirmed that Western Intelligence agencies had sought to exaggerate the threat of the Iranian nuclear program.
At The Race for Iran, Flynt and Hillary Mann Levrett have put out a characteristically thoughtful piece on the report’s implications, putting the current belligerence of the U.S. and Israel in context.
Whether or not it can be definitively stated that Iran seeks nuclear weapons capabilities, it should be understood that Iranian objections to the IAEA report are neither baseless nor hysterical. See for yourself the response of the Iranian Ambassador to the IAEA on Russia Today.
Painting the Islamic Republic as an irrational actor, as was done to Saddam Hussein in 2003, serves to reinforce the case for war as a last resort. In reality, there are numerous steps short of invasion or even targeted air strikes that can and should be taken, if indeed Iran’s critics are mainly interested in avoiding nuclear conflict.
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Show AllUnfortunately, Iran's critics have not the slightest interest in avoiding war. If they thought that telling us that Achminidinnerplate boiled puppies alive would increase hatred for Iran and help the pro-war drive, we'd be hearing about poor 'spot' who was boiled in oil. (maybe not oil, wouldn't want people to notice the reason for another war...)
A war against Iran is lunacy, given the fact that the leaders of the world and a good chunk of the population of the world is batship nutters...
Fuuuuuuuu.
Hmmm
Given that the very cheer leaders for war against Iran are the very same cheer leaders that lied to the world to get us into Afghanistan and Iraq. And taken as a whole the group is tied directly to zionism and Israel. Take an honest look at just who is leading this charge for Israel and who is providing the "intel". In virtually every case of suspect "intel" (and most of it is suspect) a zionist with direct ties to Israel is behind it.
People who would be the only country in the world to benefit from attacking Iran. Clearly it would not be the US or Europe. Just like 9-11 the only country to benefit would be Israel. So is it any surprise that fanatical zionists around the globe are throwing lie after lie on the wall hoping some of it will stick>
Once again let us review the "facts":
1) Israel has a vast stock pile of nuclear weapons.
2)The existence of such weapons in the obsence of any by its neighbors has allowed Israel to attack its neighbors at will
3) Israel has never signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty
4) Israel has never allowed UN inspectors anywhere in Israel
5) Iran has signed the non proliferation treaty
6) Iran has had UN inspectors crawling all over the country for years and found nothing
7) Right up until March of this year all 16 US intel agencies continued to report that not only was Iran NOT trying to build the bomd but if they were it would take a decade to develop
8) Iran and Syria are the 2 major Middle Eastern enemies of Israel identified for attack (by the US of course)as outlined in the Project for A New American (Israeli) century in 1999.
9) the US military has attacked and destroyed pretty much the rest of the list just as requested by Israeli zionists in the US in 1999.
The fact is people is that the zionist media and Israel are trying to con you ito fighting another war with another country for the greater good of Israel. We have spent 3 Trillion fighting for Israel already. It is time to STOP.
A very good summary of the facts in this newly trumped-up effort to start another war that works against the best interests of our country and the American people.
Absolutely the last thing we need is another war in the Middle East. Talk about a tipping point. That will send this nation into a tailspin from which it will never recover.
The American people, through the Occupy Wall Street Movement, are telling our political leaders at all levels that our country is imploding and desperately needs to be rebuilt internally. How do our leaders respond to these desperate voices? They ignore them and start propagandizing for another war against a nation and a people who pose no threat to our national security. It is absolutely the worst possible response from our political leaders at this point in our nation's history.
The two-party con game that supports these jingoistic tactics reached the point a long time ago where it poses a major threat to the future of our country. It is indeed time to STOP THEM from inflicting a mortal wound on our country.
Henry David Thoreau said something to the effect that "A true patriot is one who will protect his country against his government." In his time, he was speaking of an immoral government that condoned the institution of slavery. In our time, the quote applies to an immoral government that ignores the real needs of the American people and wages endless, relentless wars against people and countries who pose no threat to us.
Unfortunately, as with Iraq , the facts are immaterial.
What is important to remember about Iraq is that the nations of the UN were not "tricked" into accepting the US propaganda about links to terror and weapons of mass destruction.
The vast majority knew the US claims were bogus and in private conversations among the various administrations acknowledged as much. The US wanted its war and for the purposes of Public consumption the member states went along with the lies rather then challenge them.
Just as today with those that dispute US claims there were many tens of thousands of people who were aware the US was lying.
Yet the media went along with "The evidence overwhelming" and the war was launched.
It the same here. The Governments of Canada, the UK the USA Israel and pretty well every other member nation is aware that this report is bogus and a fabrication. They all have their own reasons for "going along" with the UN report and pretending the lie as fact.
It is the emperor has no clothes all over again and even were a little boy to point this out the emperor will keep marching naked.
[It is the emperor has no clothes all over again and even were a little boy to point this out the emperor will keep marching naked.]
Nay, should such a little boy be so foolish as to point it out to the emperor, he'll be arrested for supporting terrorism, facilitating espionage and burning kittens.
You are probably correct. He would also be water boarded and confess to having planned to play up the Empire State Building, The Taj Mahal and the CN tower. The press would breathlessly report how homeland security prevented the deaths of thousands. it would be learned that the Quds were secretly funding him.
While this might all seem like hyperbole it is pretty well what is going on.
I really try to resist repeating previous comments that fit right in with newer ones (generally on the same subject), e.g. a 12:28pm comment @ "Iran's Nukes: Old Lies in New Bottles" by Eric Margolis*.
* http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/11/12
So I'll only repeat most of it:
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Remember the "Downing Street Memos" that exposed the obvious truth that the Amerikan Imperium and its allies and client states were "fixing the facts [for which read "factoids] around the policy" of launching an illegal war of aggression against Iraq?
Far from sparking an international scandal, despite some desperate fanning and flogging by alternative media, this disclosure was swallowed without outrage or even much ado by a cynical or complacent public.
And so the beat goes on: allied authoritarian governments blithely continue to fix pretextual factoids to rationalize and justify heinous unilateral warfare and comparable political and economic powermongering.
[...]
And regardless of how contrived, manufactured, and utterly bogus the casus belli truly is, the powers that be will act as they see fit-- and as with previous actions, leave the commentariat bobbing in their wake, clinging to flotsam and jetsam and earnestly sifting through the evidence and clues that establish what really happened for the historical record-- a record that is increasingly proving to be an artifact to absorb and preoccupy said commentariat left trawling in the wake of the rampaging imperial monster(s).
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To make it a recycled twofer: earlier this year I finally took the trouble to actually look up and re-read "The Emperor's New Clothes" to refresh my memory of exactly how it ended.
And here it is:
“... 'But he has nothing on at all,' said a little child at last. 'Good heavens! listen to the voice of an innocent child,' said the father, and one whispered to the other what the child had said. 'But he has nothing on at all,' cried at last the whole people. That made a deep impression upon the emperor, for it seemed to him that they were right; but he thought to himself, 'Now I must bear up to the end.' And the chamberlains walked with still greater dignity, as if they carried the train which did not exist." **
I was surprised, even startled. I vaguely expected, or thought I remembered, that the Emperor has a comeuppance after the innocent child naïvely speaks truth to power. The actual ending as quoted above is honest, if bleak-- it can't even be called cynical.
Only in my unreliable, uncharacteristically sanitized imagination did the Emperor's exposure teach either him, his court, or the public a chastising object lesson.
I thought for sure that at least the Emperor would be mortally shamed or embarrassed, or the crowd would "come to its senses" and, even in the throes of its own shame, turn on the emperor and his sycophantic ministers. Or at least congratulate the child and vow not to be so complacent or gullible in the future.
In Andersen's version, though, everybody just more or less lives happily ever after.
Tragically, the moral arguably echoes the cynical contempt of Deadeye Dick Cheney: "So what?"
** http://hca.gilead.org.il/emperor.html
Where is this headed? The fact that the IAEA is being suborned into colluding with another "weapons of mass destruction" narrative is nearly conclusive evidence that Obama intends to initiate military aggression against Iran, for purposes of regime change. There are many other not-so-subtle indications, but this one shows that the U.S. (slash Israel) are interested in more than just grandstanding for continued economic sanctions.
Watch for another bogus Iranian plot or two to be "exposed" in the next couple of months, with bombing to commence in early 2012.
Yes, it looks like this time they are for real. Even getting the troops out of Iraq is a step towards attacking Iran, as they would become targets if they stayed in Iraq. How can we stop them?
There is very good reason to believe that the United States, Israe and the internationall are lying about Iran's true intentions. We know that the Americans have a history of bribing people to get them on board of their war train and Israel is one of the most corrupt societies on earth so reasonable people must assume these people are lying unless proven otherwise.
I was disappointed that the article was so short. I would have liked to see a longer exploration, with more examples of specific items in the report that were dubious. I am sure the IAEA report is a load of toxic waste. I just want to have solid information to pass on to others. Thanks for the article.
I agree on all counts -- a great article, but I would have liked it to be a lot longer. I guess you and I can both do our own research on the "Iranian" laptop and Vyacheslav Danilenko. If you find anything good, post it back here, please!
Refer to previous articles by Gareth Porter & Eric Margolis on this new Iran hype over the past week & month here @ Common Dreams. They go into a lot of detail about Danilenko, the dubious mystery laptop, the dubious 'Too Fast & Furious' [to be believed] alleged assassination plot, etc. And Porter takes apart some guy named David Albright who the W-Post quoted because he got a 'leaked' version of this IAEA report before hand. He's also one of those so-called weapons 'experts' that swore Iraq had WMDs
The tough thing about analyzing each piece of evidence in the report is that unfortunately, the general public doesn't have access to the evidence. Indeed, even Iranian delegates to the IAEA were denied the specifics on the accusations being leveled against them, blowing all illusions of transparency and non-proliferating intentions of that agency out of the water.
Because of the way this type of info filters out into the public discourse, we have to rely on hawkish wonks like David Albright for leaks. The folks with full access in the U.S. Intelligence/Diplomatic communities know that his type can be counted on to spin whatever they give in their own advantage, so they give him the goods.
If you download the report itself, it only makes rather vague references to the evidence. There is strong reason to believe that a lot of the evidence is just re-hashed info filtered to the IAEA from Intelligence agencies of Israel, the U.S., France, Britain and Saudi Arabia.
One piece of evidence cited is the fact that some of Iran's enrichment facilities (now under IAEA safeguards and open to inspectors) were originally built in secret, and the report's annex (C.3 #30) takes the logical leap that this implies the possibility for covert construction programs.
Remember that the U.S. and Israel secretly funneled nuclear weapons secrets to Iran under the Shah against the dictates of the NPT.
Information on detonation technology in Iran's possession matched that exchanged between Libya and Iraq through the Pakistani arms dealer A.Q. Khan. That the Khan materials pop up in the right times and places (Libya in 2004, Iraq in 1990) raises some questions about who he's in bed with. Remember that the Pakistani ISI was basically born out of the CIA (See Chossudovsky on the history).
Other than that, there is a lot of talk in the Annex about "A member state" then "the same member state referred to above" and on and on. The "experts" from "member states" talk about how certain elements found in Iranian research facilities have uses in nuclear weapons development. This reminds me a lot of the "aluminum tubes" that were cited as evidence of Saddam's WMD.
But alas I am no expert on nuclear technology, nor on weapons. I am much more skilled at calling out propaganda where I see it.
The main piece of information that trumps all others is simple: The IAEA has monitors and video surveillance in every nuclear facility in Iran, and you can bet that Israeli radiation monitoring devices, whether land- or space-based have an X-ray eye on every ounce of nuclear material in the region. The report finds that NO NUCLEAR MATERIAL WAS FOUND TO HAVE BEEN DIVERTED FOR WEAPONS DEVELOPMENT.
You can't make a nuke without nuclear material, that I do know.
As discussed in the linked video of the Iranian rep. to the IAEA, this evidence is mostly the same stuff that El Baradei refused to publish due to its hazy sourcing. A lot of it dates to the period 2007-2008.
Sadly, no matter whom you pass info to, "the truth is the first casualty of war."
NG
Really ? If 'the public', 'the 99%' had unrestricted access to 'evidence', would that, miraculously, also visit upon the vast masses the knowledge and experience needed to understand, interpret and build models upon that data ? How many people here have long careers in nuclear technologies ?
This has nothing to do with 'facts', in the technical and scientific sense of the word, which are immaterial for 100% of the people, both contributors and posters. The FACT is that Iran doesn't have a right to build nuclear weapons because americans and jews say so. There is nothing to debate here. The fascist pigs with big sticks don't want you to do that. End of story. There is no lawful, or worse 'moral' implication here.
Again, this shows how easily the quintessential stupid american that can't think for humself or herself in any situation. They thrown an 'IAEA Report', like any of you ignorant cretins here has any kind of real scientific and/or technical knowledge and experience in the matter and can actually make RATIONAL, INFORMED decisions, and the whole discussion is derailed from the REAL QUESTION : "why the fuck can americans and jews order people around what to do?" Based on what, other than the threat of the immense violence that your civilization visited upon the rest of the human and natural world, is the right to forbid anyone to use some technology ? Who the fuck actually used nuclear weapons against civilian targets ? Who the fuck is actually spraying entire countries with depleted uranium ? That is the REAL question that must be asked, which, of course, is totally lost to the free cretins of the western world...
See the Porter piece that the article refers and links to.
What should also be pointed out is that if the U.S. or Israel were to bomb Iran's nuclear reactor that would then mean that Iran's underground water supply would become contaminated thus killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Iranians. But this would probably serve as little deterrent to those two countries given the fact that they probably have lost little sleep over the approximately one million Iraqis who have been killed since the United States illegally invaded Iraq in 2003.
Gareth Porter [along w Eric Margolis] has put out good info debunking this so-called 'new' IAEA report on Iran which is just the same ole / same ole warmed over again [IE: The mystery laptop w so-called 'official' Iranian Gov't docs w nuke warhead designs Written in ENGLISH NOT FARSI & whose warhead is Designed for the WRONG Missile! And the alleged Russian ex-nuke warhead expert who's NOT Actually a Nuke Warhead Expert!]. And Margolis talks about the alleged Iranian Quds Force Officer who's the alleged 'master-mind' of the 'Too Fast & Furious' [to be believed] plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the US, who it turns out AIN'T Really a Quds Force Guy - but a Terrorist of the US backed violently anti-Tehran People’s Mujahidin who kills [or tries to kill] Quds Force Guys!
But Porter in a recent 'Real News' interview w Paul Jay, says that all this hype about Iran's still apparently non-existent nukes- is really NOT about War but about cornering the Russians & Chinese on agreeing to more sanctions on Iran. IMO: I'm not so sure that Porter & others are right about that rather 'benign ' assessment. First even if Porter view is right that this all about bluffing- sometimes even bluffing in a Very Dangerous Game can have tragic if not Catastrophic consequences due to mis-calculation! 2nd} I'm sure Russia's Putin & the Chinese are as clear [in fact far more so] about all this hyped BS about the so-called damning 'new' 'evidence' in IAEA's report as is Porter & Margolis. In fact the Russians almost certainly knew about the ex-Russian nuke weapons expert, Danilenko, who was NOT- BeFore Porter & probably are the ultimate source of Porter's info on Danilenko. So after Iraq & more recently Libya- the Russians & Chinese put their foot down & Vetoed a recent US-NATO inspired & backed UN Res against Syria. I expect they'll also do the same on Iran. Plus the Russians have just helped the Iranians build a nuke reactor plant, which would be an obvious target should the US, UK, NATO & IDF attack Iran, & unlike Libya, Iran shares a border w Russia. I could be wrong but IMO neither Russia nor China are likely to be in the mood that encourages & legitimizes the US' NeoCon AIPAC crowd, et-al hyped BS on Iran! One would think the US & the rest would be smart enough to know this too, so why go thru all of this just to try to bluff the Russians & Chinese into going for the Ole Okey Doke- that they're unlikely to go for?! 3rd} There are just too many war drums beating in the US, UK, France & Israel [including joint IDF / NATO war game exercises] to be so dismissive of a real intent to go to War either in Iran &/or Syria. 4th} I keep going back to the post 9-11 [or even pre 9-11] NeoCon {s}Hit List as confirmed by ex-NATO Gen Wesley Clark that the NeoCons / NeoLiberals planned to attack / destabilize / regime-change- 7 Muslim countries including: Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Somalia, Syria & IRAN [also Lebanon]. We know for a fact that the US has attacked &/or stirred-up trouble in ALL 6 of those countries [w the IDF going in on Lebanon in 2006]! If anyone thought that plan was on hold w the exit of Bush / Cheney & the advent of O-Bomb-em & Billary what the O-Bomb-em regime has done / is doing in Somalia, Sudan [split in two just this yr] & most of all LIBYA - should dispell that notion [Its called COG- Continuity of Gov't - Meaning its the same ole prog No Matter if a white Repug or a Black so-called 'liberal' Dim is in the White-House]!
Apparently the NeoCon AIPAC Likudniks are itching to attack Iran but they've got a problem. The IDF can attack & temporarily damage but unlikely can Destroy Iran's uranium enrichment facilities- unless they do the Duke Nukem [God forbid!]. And the IDF can't invade let alone occupy Iran on its own. But such an attack would justify that Iran just GO FOR IT [IE: no more playing coy]! So what they'd like to do is get the US & NATO to do it - w or without them. If there's no agreement by the US & NATO then the gamble might be for the IDF to attack to force the US & NATO into the fray! As I said this is a Very Dangerous Game thats being being played!
PLUS- What FUK-US NATO did to Iraq & Saddam and to Libya & Khadaffi signals- especially when compared to N.Korea & what has NOT happened to them [But guess what N.Korea has that Saddam & Khadaffi were accused of but Did Not Have]! Thus FUK-US NATO has Potentially & Dangerously incentivized every Gov't / regime that thinks they might be on FUK-US NATO's {s}Hit List to consider if 'All Options should be on the Table- including getting Nukes' IE: a new even more potentially dangerous Arms Race!
NIX: Would you consider dividing this Jackson Pollack splash of information into paragraphs so that readers can make sense of it all? You certainly have something to say, but the reader has to muck through a virtual warehouse to get to the racks to see what's on them.
personally, I don't mind believing the report. If Iran isn't working on acquiring nuclear weapons, they should be. they won't be reasonably safe until they acquire some at this point.
Yep -- for all their political science degrees and Harvard professorships, the political class sure do suck at basic game theory.
Craig Murray on Britain's preparations to aid Israel in attack on Iran:
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/
Daniel Joyner analyzes the IAEA report:
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forum/2011/11/dan-joyner-iaea-report.php
I can't wait until one of the media forgets to replace 'Iraq' with Iran' when they recycle the Op-Ed pieces justifying the upcoming attack by the Israelis.
There is no point in arguing the facts. the facts will be spun/selected/manufactured as needed to fit the policy. it is the policy that matters.
so what if Iran gets a nuke or two or ten? they would be a threat to no one. they would never use one offensively, because they would be turned to glass within the hour.
if Iran gets nukes, the USA's mad dog of the middle east loses its teeth and the power balance shifts a little bit more to the east.
There is a significant difference between Israels creation of nuclear weapons and Iran's creation of them. The Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty was a way for nation-states who had no nuclear technology to get it from other states. But they had to promise not to use the technology to create weapons. Apart from the permanent members of the security council, there are only three countries that are not bound by the provisions of the NNPT. They are India, Pakistan, and Israel. That is because they obtained nuclear technology on their own and did not sign the NNPT in order to obtain it from other countries. Iran did. It promised not to use the technology for weapons. Therefore if the conclusions based on the IAEA 1000 pages of documentary evidence supports the proposition that they are trying to create nuclear weapons it is breaking its solemn promise. Israel has made no promise of that kind. It did not need to.
Therefore those who complain about the IAEA report and its conclusions on the basis that it fails to take into account Israeli nuclear weapons do not have a case.
You seem to be presuming 2 things that's apparently incorrect: That Iran actually does have nuke weapons [Not even this much hyped 'new' IAEA report says that]. And that India, Pakistan & Israel- got theirs all on their own - 'fair & square' - without subterfuge, scheming & deception.
Unless & until the IAEA says Iran has Illegally stocked-up enough Hi-Enriched Uranium [at At-Least 75% to +90% enrichment... NOT 5% - 20%] or Pu239 to build a nuke weapon [that's the main thing you MUST have to make nuke weapons- IE: nothing else matters without this] then this New IAEA Guy is just Speculating about Iran's intentions - which his predecessor ElBaradei Refused to do [FYI; The IAEA is supposed to be a technical body that determines if a state is using &/or enriching uranium or plutonium in accord w the terms of the NPT- It not supposed to be a politicized body. - For more on this go to: www.jurist.law.pitt.edu/forum/2011/11/dan-joyner-iaea-report.php]! Furthermore apparently the only really 'New' accusation this new IAEA guy makes against Iran is about this Russian alleged ex-nuke warhead expert who's NOT Actually a Nuke Warhead Design EXPERT! Plus he hasn't been in Iran since 2002 - that's 9YRS AGO - Well Before the 2007 NIE Estimate & the end of ElBaradei's Tenure at the IAEA!
PS: All this hype over the so-called 'new' IAEA report [that's basically the SOS twice warmed over] in the US & the rest- Is Hypocritical to say the least! When Nobel Peace Prize Winner ElBaradei produced IAEA reports that refused to cry 'Wolf' about Iran's Still Non-Existent Nukes, the US poly-tricksters & corp-controlled MSNM Media [propaganda] Outlets- basically Ignored ElBaradei & the IAEA, even though he had far more stature than this new IAEA Guy [Yukiya Amano]! IMO: With this Amano guy heading the IAEA there's a risk of the IAEA becoming like the ICC- just a tool in the hands of US, UK, French, EU Imperialists & their allies - to Demonize those that they've targeted to be Taken-Down / Taken-Out [IE: Khadaffi]! If so, just like the ICC, the IAEA will be left w Little if Any Real Credibility as an Objective / Non-Political Body!
"That is because they [Israel] obtained nuclear technology on their own"
Response: Are you just making stuff up? How do you know that when Israel won't even admit it has nuclear weapons much less how it developed them? Fact is, no country lives in a vaccum and they all learn from each other in technological developments, including those in nuclear.
In addition, the IAEA report isn't full of 1000 pages of evidence supporting the proposition that Iran is trying to create nuclear weapons. I read the IAEA summary report and it explicitly states the IAEA can only confirm it can't prove that Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapons program. It is the American and Israeli hawks who turn this around and interpret it to mean that it means Iran is developing nuclear weapons. Iraq deja vu? I also love it when trolls start counting pages of a debunked report as if counting the pages makes the report more credible.
How do you feel about the USA aiding the Saudis in developing nuclear power?
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/20/as_us_threatens_iran_over_enriching
The NNPT was not even established until 1968 and did not take effect until 1970. Israel was involved in developing nuclear power with the help of France and Norway since Israel's founding in 1948. It's really not all that relative to the discussion, except to point out that Israel has refused to sign it even up to today. And prefers the freedom to share the technology with whomever they wish (such as South Africa). The NNPT also includes a section that allows for the peaceful use of nuclear technology, which is what Iran is developing.
This is relative:
"On 7 November 1956, a secret meeting was held between foreign minister Golda Meir, Peres, and French foreign and defense ministers Mssrs. Christian Pineau and Maurice Bourges-Manoury. The French officials were deeply chagrined by France's failure to support its ally in the operation, and the Israelis were very concerned about the Soviet threat. In this meeting the initial understanding about a research reactor may have been substantially modified, and Peres seems to have secured an agreement to assist Israel in developing a nuclear deterrent.
After some further months of negotiation, the initial agreement for assistance took the form of an 18 MW (thermal) research reactor of the EL-3 type, along with plutonium separation technology. At some point this was officially upgraded to 24 MW, but the actual specifications issued to engineers provided for core cooling ducts sufficient for up to three times this power level, along with a plutonium plant of similar capacity. How this upgrade came about remains unknown.
The reactor was secretly built underground at Dimona, in the Negev desert of southern Israel near Beersheba. Hundreds of French engineers and technicians filled Beersheba which, although it was the biggest town in the Negev, was still a small town. Many of the same contractors who built Marcoule were involved, for example the plutonium separation plants in both France and Israel were built by SGN. The Ground was broken for the EL-102 reactor (as it was known to France) in early 1958. The heavy water for the reactor was purchased from Norway, which sold 20 tons to Israel in 1959 allegedly for use in an experimental power reactor Norway insisted on the right to inspect the heavy water for peaceful use for 32 years, but was permitted to do so only once, in April 1961, prior to it being loaded into the Dimona reactor tank.
Israel used a variety of subterfuges to explain away the activity at Dimona - calling it a "manganese plant" among other things (although apparently not a "textile plant" as most accounts claim). US intelligence became aware of the project before the end of 1958, took picture of the project from U-2 spy planes, and identified the site as a probable reactor complex. The concentration of Frenchmen was certainly impossible to hide.
In 1960, before the reactor was operating, France, now under the leadership of de Gaulle, reconsidered the deal and decided to suspend the project. After several months of negotiation, an agreement was reached in November that allowed the reactor to proceed if Israel promised not the make weapons and announced the project to the world, work on the plutonium plant halted. "
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/Isrhist.html
Thanks for the summary. Also, it just shows the troll was just making stuff up.
There are two alternative solutions to all this:
1. The Iranians must make many bombs and very quickly.
2. Israel and the USA must destroy their own nuclear arsenals immediately.
The reality behind this is that the latter two are failed states. The world carries them as a burden.
Nice.
Another alternative that you are sleeping on is for everyone to convert to Islam. That way, Iran wouldn't have any enemies and would have no need for a bomb. If you institute Sharia law in the US, secular and lascivious culture wouldn't be such the threat to the Islamic world as it is now. No wonder they want the bomb.
Yawn. More of the usual lies again.
Here is a video from someone who is knowledgeable of the technical side of the 'report' :
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=7594
Again : the technical side is immaterial. The real question is why americans and jews can order peoples around.