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A Master Class in Occupation
NEW YORK CITY—Jon Friesen, 27, tall and lanky with a long, dirty-blond ponytail, a purple scarf and an old green fleece, is sitting on concrete at the edge of Zuccotti Park leading a coordination meeting, a gathering that takes place every morning with representatives of each of Occupy Wall Street’s roughly 40 working groups.
“Our conversation is about what it means to be a movement and what it means to be an organization,” he says to the circle. A heated discussion follows, including a debate over whether the movement should make specific demands.
I find him afterward on a low stone wall surrounding a flowerbed in the park. He decided to come to New York City, he said, from the West Coast for the 10th anniversary of 9/11. He found a ride on Craig’s List while staying at his brother’s home in Champaign, Ill.
“It was a television event when I was 17,” he says of the 2001 attacks. “I came here for the 10-year anniversary. I wanted to make it real to myself. I’d never been to New York. I’d never been to the East Coast.”
Once he reached New York City he connected with local street people to find “assets.” He slept in the parks and on the street. He arrived on the first day of the occupation in Zuccotti Park. He found other “traveler types” whose survival skills and political consciousness were as developed as his own.
In those first few days, he says, “it was the radicals and the self-identifying anarchists” who set up the encampment. Those who would come later, usually people with little experience in dumpster diving, sleeping on concrete or depending on a McDonald’s restroom, would turn to revolutionists like Friesen for survival. Zuccotti Park, like most Occupied sites, schooled the uninitiated.
“The structure and process carried out by those initial radicals,” he says with delight of the first days in the park, now have “a wide appeal.”
The Occupy movements that have swept across the country fuse the elements vital for revolt. They draw groups of veteran revolutionists whose isolated struggles, whether in the form of squatter communities or acts of defiance such as the tree-sit in Berkeley to save an oak grove on the University of California campus that ran from Dec. 2, 2006, to Sept. 9, 2008, are often unheeded by the wider culture. The Occupy movements were nurtured in small, dissident enclaves in New York, Oakland, Chicago, Denver, Boston, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Atlanta. Bands of revolutionists in these cities severed themselves from the mainstream, joined with other marginalized communities and mastered the physical techniques of surviving on the streets and in jails.
“It’s about paying attention to exactly what you need, and figuring out where I can get food and water, what time do the parks close, where I can get a shower,” Friesen says.
Friesen grew up in an apolitical middle-class home in Fullerton in Southern California’s Orange County, where systems of power were obeyed and rarely questioned. His window into political consciousness began inauspiciously enough as a teenager, with the Beatles, The Doors, and Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young. He found in the older music “a creative energy” and “authenticity” that he did not hear often in contemporary culture. He finished high school and got a job in a LensCrafter lab and “experienced what it’s like to slave away trying to make glasses in an hour.” He worked at a few other 9-to-5 jobs but found them “restrictive and unfulfilling.” And then he started to drift, working his way up to Berkeley, where he lived in a squatter encampment behind the UC Berkeley football stadium. He used the campus gym to take showers. By the time he reached Berkeley he had left mainstream society. He has lived outside the formal economy since 2005, the last year he filed income taxes. He was involved in the tree-sit protest and took part in the occupations of university buildings and demonstration outside the Berkeley chancellor’s campus residence to protest fee hikes and budget cuts, activities that saw him arrested and jailed. He spent time with the Navajos on Black Mesa in Arizona and two months with the Zapatistas in Mexico.
“What I saw in the Zapatistas was a people pushed to the brink of extinction and forgetting,” he says. “Their phrases ring true: Liberty! Dignity! Democracy! Everything for Everyone! Nothing for Ourselves! The masks the Zapatistas wear check egos. People should be united in their facelessness. This prevents cults of personality.”
“I have no interest in participating in the traditional political process,” he says. “It’s bureaucratic. It’s vertical. It’s exclusive. It’s ruled by money. It’s cumbersome. This is cumbersome too, what we’re doing here, but the principles that I’m pushing and that many people are pushing to uphold here are in direct opposition to the existing structure. This is a counterpoint. This is an acknowledgement of all those things that we hate, or that I hate, which are closed and exclusive. It is about defying status and power, certification and legitimacy, institutional validation to participate. This process has infected our consciousness as far as people being allowed [to participate] or even being given credibility. The wider society creates a situation where people are excluded, people feel like they’re not worth anything. They’re not accepted. The principles here are horizontal in terms of decision-making, transparency, openness, inclusiveness, accessibility. There are people doing sign language at the general assembly now. There are clusters of deaf people that come together and do sign language together. This is an example of the inclusive nature that we want to create here. And as far as redefining participation and the democratic process, my understanding of American history is that it was a bunch of white males in power, mostly. This is radically different. If you’re a homeless person, if you’re a street person, you can be here. There’s a radical inclusion that’s going on. And if it’s not that, then I’m not going to participate.”
The park, especially at night, is a magnet for the city’s street population. The movement provides food along with basic security, overseen by designated “peacekeepers” and a “de-escalation team” that defuses conflicts. Those like Friesen who span the two cultures serve as the interlocutors.
“It draws everyone, except maybe the superrich,” he says of the park. “You’re dealing with everyone’s conditioning, everyone’s fucked-up conditioning, the kind of I’m-out-for-me-and-myself, that kind of instinct. People are unruly. People are violent. People make threats.”
“We are trying to sort this out, how to work together in a more holistic approach versus just security-checking someone—you know like tackling them,” he says. “Where else do these people have to go, these street people? They’re going to come to a place where they feel cared for, especially in immediate needs like food and shelter. We have a comfort committee. I’ve never been to a place where there’s a comfort committee. This is where you can get a blanket and a sleeping bag, if we have them. We don’t always have the resources. But everyone is being taken care of here. As long as you’re nonviolent, you’re taken care of. And when you do that you draw all sorts of people, including those people who have problematic behavior. If we scale up big enough we might be able to take care of the whole street population of Manhattan.”
The park, like other Occupied sites across the country, is a point of integration, a place where middle-class men and women, many highly educated but unschooled in the techniques of resistance, are taught by those who have been carrying out acts of rebellion for the last few years. These revolutionists bridge the world of the streets with the world of the middle class.
“They’re like foreign countries almost, the street culture and the suburban culture,” Friesen says. “They don’t understand each other. They don’t share their experiences. They’re isolated from each other. It’s like Irvine and Orange County [home of the city of Irvine]; the hearsay is that they deport the homeless. They pick them up and move them out. There’s no trying to engage. And it speaks to the larger issue, I feel, of the isolation of the individual. The individual going after their individual pursuits, and this facade of individuality, of consumeristic materialism. This materialism is about an individuality that is surface-deep. It has no depth. That’s translated into communities throughout the country that don’t want anything to do with each other, that are so foreign to each other that there is hardly a drop of empathy between them.”
“This is a demand to be heard,” he says of the movement. “It’s a demand to have a voice. People feel voiceless. They want a voice and participation, a renewed sense of self-determination, but not self-determination in the individualistic need of just-for-me-self. But as in ‘I recognize that my actions have effects on the people around me.’ I acknowledge that, so let’s work together so that we can accommodate everyone.”
Friesen says that digital systems of communication helped inform new structures of communication and new systems of self-governance.
“Open source started out in the ’50s and ’60s over how software is used and what rights the user has over the programs and tools they use,” he says. “What freedoms do you have to use, modify and share software? That’s translated into things like Wikipedia. We’re moving even more visibly and more tangibly into a real, tangible, human organization. We modify techniques. We use them. We share them. We decentralize them. You see the decentralization of a movement like this.”
Revolutions need their theorists, but such upheavals are impossible without hardened revolutionists like Friesen who haul theory out of books and shove it into the face of reality. The anarchist Michael Bakunin by the end of the 19th century was as revered among radicals as Karl Marx. Bakunin, however, unlike Marx, was a revolutionist. He did not, like Marx, retreat into the British Library to write voluminous texts on preordained revolutions. Bakunin’s entire adult life was one of fierce physical struggle, from his role in the uprisings of 1848, where, with his massive physical bulk and iron determination, he manned barricades in Paris, Austria and Germany, to his years in the prisons of czarist Russia and his dramatic escape from exile in Siberia.
Bakunin had little time for Marx’s disdain for the peasantry and the lumpenproletariat of the urban slums. Marx, for all his insight into the self-destructive machine of unfettered capitalism, viewed the poor as counterrevolutionaries, those least capable of revolutionary action. Bakunin, however, saw in the “uncivilized, disinherited, and illiterate” a pool of revolutionists who would join the working class and turn on the elites who profited from their misery and enslavement. Bakunin proved to be the more prophetic. The successful revolutions that swept through the Slavic republics and later Russia, Spain and China, and finally those movements that battled colonialism in Africa and the Middle East as well as military regimes in Latin America, were largely spontaneous uprisings fueled by the rage of a disenfranchised rural and urban working class, and that of dispossessed intellectuals. Revolutionary activity, Bakunin correctly observed, was best entrusted to those who had no property, no regular employment and no stake in the status quo. Finally, Bakunin’s vision of revolution, which challenged Marx’s rigid bifurcation between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie, carved out a vital role for these rootless intellectuals, the talented sons and daughters of the middle class who had been educated to serve within elitist institutions, or expected a place in the middle class, but who had been cast aside by society. The discarded intellectuals—unemployed journalists, social workers, teachers, artists, lawyers and students—were for Bakunin a valuable revolutionary force: “fervent, energetic youths, totally déclassé, with no career or way out.” These déclassé intellectuals, like the dispossessed working class, had no stake in the system and no possibility for advancement. The alliance of an estranged class of intellectuals with dispossessed masses creates the tinder, Bakunin argued, for successful revolt. This alliance allows a revolutionary movement to skillfully articulate grievances while exposing and exploiting, because of a familiarity with privilege and power, the weaknesses of autocratic, tyrannical rule.
The Occupy movement is constantly evolving as it finds what works and discards what does not. At any point in the day, knots of impassioned protesters can be found in discussions that involve self-criticism and self-reflection. This makes the movement radically different from liberal reformist movements that work within the confines of established systems of corporate power, something Marx understood very well. It means that the movement’s war of attrition will be long and difficult, that it will face reverses and setbacks, but will, if successful, ultimately tear down the decayed edifices of the corporate state.
Marx wrote: “Bourgeois revolutions, like those of the eighteenth century, storm more swiftly from success to success, their dramatic effects outdo each other, men and things seem set in sparkling diamonds, ecstasy is the order of the day—but they are short-lived, soon they have reached their zenith, and a long Katzenjammer [hangover] takes hold of society before it learns to assimilate the results of its storm-and-stress period soberly. On the other hand, proletarian revolutions, like those of the nineteenth century, constantly criticize themselves, constantly interrupt themselves in their own course, return to the apparently accomplished, in order to begin anew; they deride with cruel thoroughness the half-measures, weaknesses, and paltriness of their first attempts, seem to throw down their opponents only so the latter may draw new strength from the earth and rise before them again more gigantic than ever, recoil constantly from the indefinite colossalness of their own goals—until a situation is created which makes all turning back impossible, and the conditions themselves call out: ‘Hier ist die Rose, hier tanze’ [Here is the rose, here the dance].”
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Show AllOn the one side there are people who think Marxism is everything communist (Russian, Chinese, Cuban) - these people don't understand that the leaders of these past movements took Marx's work and morphed them into their own ideologies. On another side there are people who use Marxism almost as a type of theology, or cult. In the "middle" (or somewhere other than the two opposite extremes) there are people who understand that Marx had many brilliant insights and critiques of capitalism, class structure and 19th century history. I put the word middle in quotations because I don't want that to be misinterpreted as equating to the liberal line of thinking. I recently read some incredible stuff from Murray Bookchin (far from liberal) who took the great insights of Marx and expanded on it, but also wasn't afraid to point out where Marx was wrong.
Here is a quote from Chomsky on the whole notion of Marxism:
"Well, I guess one thing that's unattractive to me about "Marxism" is the very idea that there IS such a thing. It's a rather striking fact that you don't find things like "Marxism" in the sciences - like, there isn't any part of physics which is "Einsteinianism," let's say, or "Planckianism" or something like that. It doesn't make any sense - because people aren't gods: they just discover things, and they make mistakes, and their graduate students tell them why they're wrong, and then they go on and do things better the next time. But there are no gods around. I mean, scientists do use the terms "Newtonianism" and "Darwinism," but nobody thinks of those as doctrines that you've got to somehow be loyal to, and figure out what the Master thought, and what he would have said in this new circumstance and so on. That sort of thing is just completely alien to rational existence, it only shows up in irrational domains.
"So Marxism, Freudianism: any one of these things I think is an irrational cult. They're theology, so they're whatever you think of theology; I don't think much of it. In fact, in my view that's exactly the right analogy: notions like Marxism and Freudianism belong to the history of organized religion.
"So part of my problem is just it's existence: it seems to me that even to DISCUSS something like "Marxism" is already making a mistake. Like, we don't discuss "Planckism." Why not? Because it would be crazy. Planck [German physicist] had some things to say, and some of them are right, and those were absorbed into later science, and some of them are wrong, and they were improved on. It's not that Planck wasn't a great man - all kinds of great discoveries, very smart, mistakes, this and that. That's really the way we ought to look at it, I think. As soon as you set up the idea of "Marxism" or "Freudianism" or something, you've already abandoned rationality.
"It seems to me the question a rational person ought to ask is, what is there in Marx's work that is worth saving and modifying, and what is there that ought to be abandoned? Okay, then you look and find things. I think Marx did some very interesting descriptive work on 19th century history. He was a very good jourrnalist. When he describes the British in India, or the Paris Commune..., or the parts of "Capital" that talk about industrial London, a lot of that is kind of interesting - I think later scholarship has improved it and changed it, but it's quite interesting."
The reason why there is no "Einsteinism" or "Newtonism" is because the work of those people does not threaten those in power.
By making the work of Marx into an "ism" it can be more easily discredited and dismissed.
And, yes, people will turn just about anything into a cult. But which comes first? Those in power turning things into "isms" in order to discredit them, or cults forming around the "ism?"
We do, by the way, talk about "Newtonian" physics. That is why historically people said "Marxian" rather than "Marxist" - the application of the insights and analysis of Marx, rather than adherence to a belief system.
You still posting over at "The Bell", Mike?
Anyone who wants to see Marxism-as-religion need go no further than that site, and goddess help any "heretic" who doesn't care about the liturgy or would question the dogma. "Burn the witch!" doesn't seem like a figure of speech, there.
Chomsky's criticism is completely apropos.
I did not disagree with Chomsky, so I have no idea what you are on about. I rarely post at the site you mention, so you are barking up the wrong tree there, too. No doubt they will be grateful that you are giving them publicity, though.
Why not discuss the topics at hand rather than following another poster around and talking about them - discussing the messenger rather than the message? Just a suggestion.
If you have some bone to pick with people at another site, go there and talk about it.
You seek to discredit those who disagree with you through various ruses - guilt by association, misrepresenting what they said, hinting around that you have some damaging "insider" knowledge - rather than openly and honestly respond to what they are saying. It won't fly.
Attacking the messenger rather than the message is illogical and misleading. Yet you complain about others using "frames" to deceive people.
No one here cares about your innuendo, insinuations and speculation about TA the real life person. Some do care to hear what I have to say, though, and they should be able to do so without wading through slimy attempts at character assassination. Those who want to know me in real life can do that, and I have made dozens of good real life friends over the years from the Internet boards.
If you have some bone to pick with people at another site, go there and talk about it.
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Is there *anything* where you play it straight, Mike? I was given the boot almost within minutes of your Soc Indy crowd moving in, and your voice was first and loudest to scream (metaphorically) "burn the witch" when I asked a question you didn't want to answer. I know you remember that.
You're an interesting person, Mike. Unethical as hell, but definitely interesting. What sort of politics would we expect someone to have who works for the election of Clark in '04 and then Edwards in '08? Two opportunist frauds with right-wing records clearly visible to anyone who bothered to look. For sure a person who'd eagerly work for them wouldn't be a leftist, but what would such a person's politics be? And why would he try to play a leftist in discussion fora? Questions, questions.
Again, I would suggest that we address the messages posted rather than attacking the messengers.
Other than you, who seem to have some strange obsession with me, no one here is interested in my personal life. Some are interested in what I have to say, however, and they should be afforded the opportunity to do that without having to wade through personal attacks based on insinuations, hints and speculation.
"Pay no attention to the man behind that curtain!"
Yeah, I remember your inane attacks last time your guru M. Williamson posted some nonsensical point in her spirituality for sale sing along, la la, la la. Marx's genuis is not his perscriptions for change which were flawed; but rather, HIS CRITIQUE OF THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM. Still right on the money.
Great comments. Thanks for that heads up from Chomsky. Also, good comment from 2 Americas. I agree with all of it. I've known Marxists in the past who were immovable from their doctrinaire beliefs, and were probably the most rigid people I've ever known. Much like religious fundamentalists, as Chomsky draws the parallel. They were often open to conflicting ideas, or rather complementary ones (not "complimentary," btw), but usually only insofar as they served their more core Marxist views or could be pejoratively contrasted to them.
I had many arguments with these guys, way back when. Even about Chomsky, who one of them always tried to cast as a Marxist because he once advocated a minimal amount of centralization in economic planning, or something. But Chomsky is an anarchist, more in the Bakunin mode, or Kropotkin maybe, and in this comment about Marxism shows how indestructibly SANE he is.
Science never dogmastizes into hardened belief systems, because then it ceases to be science. If anyone can empirically show how Darwin was basically wrong and that evolution is a tragically flawed theory, they have yet to do it, but no scientist would say it's impossible to ever disprove. It's just that no one so far has done so, especially the "intelligent design" crowd. Marx has all sort of flaws, but his best insights and elaborations on how capitalism really works, and for whom, have stood the test of time. Bakunin may have been on firmer ground with his trust in the lower classes (the lumpenproletariat) as vital revolutionary actors, but that doesn't mean Marx's work is of no value. But Marx never wanted to be a cult figure, and so far as he has been one here and there for 150 years shouldn't be blamed on him.
What you just described in your first paragraph could also include all the Dem apologists who disguise themselves as progressives while trashing Hedges. In fact, your characterization of "fundamental[ism]" fits the Obama Admin very nicely. Many activists have noted the their 'so called' place at the table (in the Obama Admin) has been a ONE WAY conversation since he was elected. I hope, I don't need to provide a bullet point rendition of Obama's neo conservative sell outs again?
"a rational person ought to ask is, what is there in Marx's work that is worth saving and modifying, and what is there that ought to be abandoned?" I think that hits the nail on the head. I once read Kapital and found many parts compelling, such as the descriptions of the early accumulation of capital. I was also taken by the idea that wealth is created by labor. I still think of that whenever a casino is proposed as an answer to creating jobs and uplifting a community. Where do the dollars that will end up in the casino come from originally? Is a casino an empty house of cards, so to speak? These are difficult questions, and perhaps Karl Marx had some insights.
"I was also taken by the idea that wealth is created by labor."
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I realise you're only talking about your personal epiphany, Joe, but I still can't bear not giving credit where it's due: Dr Adam Smith was the first to articulate that insight, I believe. In WoN, about 50-75 years before Herr Marx nicked it.
It take a lot of ingredients to bake a cake
The real American revolution starts here....
"He finished high school and got a job in a LensCrafter lab and “experienced what it’s like to slave away trying to make glasses in an hour.” He worked at a few other 9-to-5 jobs but found them “restrictive and unfulfilling.”
Every job I've ever had. Working in technology over a period of about 10 years, I gradually became sickened by the soul-deadening parameters of American office culture. And the technology enables it all.
We go into the gray cubicle of life every day to bring food and shelter to our children. Sad, but understandable and more admirable than walking away, if you have children.
it is an eqal or greater gift to them to refuse indentured servitude at whatever cost..
There is room for disagreement here. The cost of this self-actualization is paid by small children, and they have no say. I had a father who walked away, and a sick mother. The hunger and insecurity did not seem like a gift at the time. Or in retrospect. Don't have children unless and until you are ready and willing to support them. That's the smart approach. "Able" is a different story. Stuff happens.
I have liked and felt strong agreement with almost all Chris has written. I joined him at the Vets for peace action at the white house. And yet I have strong reservations about where this is headed, particularly the emphasis on Bakunin and the role of young men without a stake in social stability. This is an imbalanced and unnatural basis for re-imagining a social contract. Marx's analysis of the rapacious injustices of capitalism were right. But his predictions for revolutionary change were not and became a bible for authoritarian totalitarian elites that still exercise self serving and cruel domination. He also did not really foresee the ecologically destructive aspects of capital based economies(changing the owners of the means of production doesn't automatically change that) or the consequences of fossil fuel energy. How could he? What Chris is talking about needs to be discussed but I am worried that the Marxist revolutionary rhetoric here will be seized on by the right to discredit Hedges, keep him out of public debate and negate a great deal of acute and creative analysis and a profoundly uncompromised moral voice. I like and truly respect this young man, Friesen. I want people like him directly involved in shaping a better country. I want something more like direct democracy. But I am very wary of language that seems to praise "proletarian revolutons". What are you talking about? The Soviets? The Chinese? How have these shown a better example than Capitalism? Perhaps we need to start with something more modest like the experimental communities of Tolstoy, Gandhi, or to tribal communities, to the Amish, the Hutterians, the social democracies of Northern Europe? Even Small Town New England, Vermont after the revolution all provide more hopeful models to me than any proletarian revolution I know about. I lived for 7 years in a Christian Commune trying to live as early communal Christians lived. I know it is both a difficult and potentially joyful way to live. I am now very skeptical of any all-explaining theology, but keep returning to the vision of shared community as one way to model a new world.
I have been deeply touched by the OWS movement. It addresses the corrupt center of the empire and offers a powerful meme in the 99% vs. the 1 % . Tactically it is problematic. Urban Parks are not a place to model a democratic economy. It needs to morph toward something more people can participate in over the long run. Something the empire will fear as here for the duration. It also fails to directly confront the military war machine.
We're just peeling the banana
I'm thinking that the most important function of OWS right now is educational, both for participants and for the public. There's an article at (I think) Salon on how polls are showing that, for the first time since the 1930's, majorities of Americans are in favor of "income redistribution" (that dirty word). That no longer do as many as in the past think that anyone with guts and determination can get rich, that the 1% should be admired, that trickle down will and has ever happened. Instead, the opinion is growing that many 1%ers got rich through trickery amd malfeasance. OWS of course is not the sole reason for this important shift but is a major one.
OWS's determination and persistence keep astonishing everybody. no one has witnessed anything like it during a lifetime. this is watching history in the making, no matter what result. public-government integration may take place when public-media integration will open the door to it
The determination, persistence and CREATIVITY are astonishing. My parental instincts kick in when I see the young ones braving cold, rain, snow, night after night. I would advise them to find shelter during the nights and return during the days.
Instead, when their generators were taken away they set up bicycle powered electricity. How ridiculously original is that!! I believe they are unstoppable. Those of us who cannot or will not stay in the park should support them in any ways we can. Especially support their health and safety.
Doctors, dentists, nurses, clothiers, camping specialists, bakers, home cooks come down and volunteer for an hour.
The man thinks the cold will stop the movement. All I can say is HA!
Hedges says "Revolutionary activity, Bakunin correctly observed, was best entrusted to those who had no property, no regular employment and no stake in the status quo " I have to disagree. It seems like a counterproductive reverse snobbery that undermines the inclusiveness of OWS. I would not exclude people who have jobs or own a home as participants in revolutionary activity. Why discriminate against them and exclude them? Why not let them have a role? Even in the worst of times, they are a big part of the 99%.
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“You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
Richard Buckminster Fuller
great quote
i thought it's mine (www.publicdom.net)
excellent point but for now, it is unfortunately counter-intuitive since the oligarchy succeeded in calling elimination an election
Hey Conservative wackos:
political movements need funding and revenue ****s. Look at your precious Republican Party... biggest bunch of paid for Ho's history has ever witnessed.
DID YOU KNOW?
I remember the day the Occupy protest movement started cyberbitchslap2.blogspot.com
3-30-11, Frank from ABQ call, aired on Randi Rhodes radio show (Nicole Sandler -guest host) .
“I always hear about the enemies of freedom abroad… what about the FIGHT against enemies of freedom here at home. I don’t know about you people but past experiences in my role as a political activist, community organizer and blue collar worker, it felt like a battle to me.
Funny thing... No Muslim ever called me a Liberal wacko like Rush Limbaugh. No foreign Dictator threatens my belief system on a daily basis like FOX News. No Communist ever tried to turn me into a low wage slave like the Koch Bros and the Republican Party Millionaires. I’ve been saying for years a few fanatical terrorists who perverted Islam don’t scare me near as much as those FOOLS who believe Capitalism can survive without ETHICS, RESPONSIBILITY and ACCOUNTABILITY!"
©2011 by FGE
An injection of realism and pragmatic solutions is desperately needed here.
I believe camping overnite in Zuccotti Park will come to an end very soon. Either by choice or force. Ie, NYC forces them out under the guise of public safety. It's completely unrealistic to expect people to CHOOSE to camp out in the winter without proper training and adequate pro-level camping gear.
Amateur vid shot this past fri of a walk through of Zuccotti Park: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/18186015
These people look miserable. Not one decent 4-season professional grade tent among them. People are going to wind up in the hospital or worse, unless they withdraw, regroup and and come up with a new plan of action.
$300-500K might not be enough to rent a large enough space in downtown Manhattan for dozens of people to "camp out", but should be sufficient to create an office/headquarters for the OWS to operate from over the winter.
IMO, never has a movement so desperately needed a truly inspirational Leader like Dr. Martin Luther King, Gandhi, George Washington, etc.
Good grief.
It is simply amazing the number of creative ways people are coming up with to dump on OWS -
What you are doing won't work, you won't be effective, it won't last, you don't know what you are doing, you are not being practical, you are doing it all wrong...
What the hell is the matter with people? Not one professional grade tent to be seen! And they have no training!! Why, all it would take would be $500,000 to set up an official headquarters. We can get the money from BP or the Koch Brothers, no doubt, and staff the place with the usual crowd of upscale professional liberal bureaucrats!
What is the matter with these peasants that they don't know how to do things properly??
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
Question is, where is the caravan going and who's behind the reins? Sides, let's be honest, they were not prepared for the winter. Period. General Assemblies, study groups, meetings after meetings.
I really HOPE the OWS will be able to affect some level of change in our country. But they need a Leader and pragmatic realists to move forward.
I stand by what I said.
I respect that.
So do I.
Cheers.
BorderCollie,
It's interesting you brought up George Washington, and think the OWS movement needs a man like him. The very same criticisms of him were made as he spent the entire winter of 1775 freezing his azz off in just about the same area. He made stupid mistakes after he took over "the Boston Army" and wrote to his wife that he wasn't qualified to lead such an undisciplined rabble of reservists and militiamen after he got his azz handed to him and fled Manhattan.
But they didn't have any fancy tents either and they spent most of the fall and winter retreating and out of black powder and arms since the congress wouldn't buy them any and when enlistments expired, the troops took their rifles home with them. In fact, out of the few ragged troops that stayed with him, many of them didn't even have shoes or food. All of them were starving.
Washington won the war, by losing almost every battle but never giving up.
Sometimes when you believe in something as dearly as a desire for Liberty, little piss ant concerns about things like, the quality of camping gear, just don't amount to a hill of beans.
TJ
All valid points.
Nonetheless I suspect neither of us is attempting to spend the winter at Z Park. As such, we cannot judge those who might choose to leave; only thank them for their effort.
Any man can learn from his mistakes but a wise man learns from the mistakes of others. And I hope no one else is hurt for their efforts.
I think we should all ask ourselves why this movement is being limited to "occupation" of parks alone as definition for their existence? Who set that limitation? I am thinking it wasn't the protestors.
All those calls to define their demands. They didn't fall for that. But what they did fall for identification with "occupation" of locations. Time to rethink that. That's much more restrictive.
Nothing is being "limited." People involved in OWS are also involved in a wide variety of other activities and organizations.
The occupation actions - as is always the case with mass action - are provoking discussion, demonstrating strength and solidarity, unmasking the true nature of the authorities for people, and giving people a chance to build organizations. It is also showing people what is possible when the police state is backed down and held at bay - even to the slightest degree and for the briefest period of time.
Actually, TJ, as Joseph Plumb Martin's journal details (he was there), Washington and the other officers, especially the generals, were well-provided with shelter, clothing, and food -- it was the privates and sergeants who froze and starved.
The Continental Army was as classist as the Royal Army: the classism was why Washington didn't like the volunteer-soldiers of the militias: they went home rather than freeze and starve in the snow!
That, and the refusal of the militia veterans in Massachusetts to turn out and put down "Shays's Rebellion", was why Washington demanded that the Constitution provide for a standing army, something that was anathema to most Americans at the time: he wanted people whom he could hang if they refused to shoot their neighbors on command.
Washington always had good boots and warm gloves. I don't think he lost a single digit to frost bite. I am betting his tent was equipt with a stove. Same thing can't be said for those that served under him, who lost their lives if not just their digits, ears and noses to frost bite.
Go to Valley Forge. They had cabins, guns, game to hunt, wood and bonfires, soldiers with country survival skills. I would not use GW as a model. His persistence, yes. But his persistence included being supported by slaves and sending out orders to evict and/or slaughter NYS tribes.
OWS has had to invent a new morality and a new means of survival. They do not need a charismatic leader, a "man" like GW. They need themselves, their intellect and creativity, good sense and all supporters they can find.
Good posts everybody, and certainly true.....Joe, Valley Forge was two years after Washington took command, but the rebels actually almost perished there, so your description of a fine camping experience is false, according to historian David McCullough's 1776 and wiki:
On December 19, 1777, when Washington's poorly fed, ill-equipped army, weary from long marches, struggled into Valley Forge, winds blew as the 12,000 Continentals prepared for winter's fury. Grounds for brigade encampments were selected, and defense lines were planned and begun. Though construction of more than a thousand huts provided shelter, it did little to offset the critical shortages that continually plagued the army.
The men were under cover within six weeks. The first properly constructed hut appeared in three days. One other hut, which required 80 logs, and whose timber had to be collected from miles away, went up in one week with the use of only one axe. These huts provided sufficient protection from the moderately cold, but mainly wet and damp conditions of the mild, but typical Pennsylvania winter of 1777–1778. Snow was limited, and small in amounts. Alternating freezing and melting of snow and ice made it impossible to keep dry and allowed for disease to fester.
Soldiers received irregular supplies of meat and bread, some getting their only nourishment from "fire cake," a tasteless mixture of flour and water. However, due to the talents of Baker General Christopher Ludwig, the men at Valley Forge more often than not received fresh baked bread, about one pound daily. So severe were conditions at times that Washington despaired "that unless some great and capital change suddenly takes place ... this Army must inevitably ... Starve, dissolve, or disperse, in order to obtain subsistence in the best manner they can." Animals fared no better. General Henry Knox, Washington's Chief of Artillery, wrote that hundreds of horses either starved to death or died of exhaustion.
Clothing, too, was wholly inadequate. Many wounded soldiers from previous battles died from exposure. Long marches had destroyed shoes. Blankets were scarce. Tattered garments were seldom replaced. At one point these shortages caused nearly 4,000 men to be listed as unfit for duty.
Undernourished and poorly clothed, living in crowded, damp quarters, the army was ravaged by sickness and disease. Typhoid, jaundice, dysentery, and pneumonia were among the many diseases that killed 2,500 men that winter. Although Washington repeatedly petitioned for relief, the Continental Congress was unable to provide it, and the soldiers continued to suffer... UNQUOTE.
And Mairead brings up a correlation I've never thought of before: Washington in 1775 was down to less than 100 rifles because troops were stealing them. He lectured the remaining militiamen that if they took their arms home, they would never be paid for their service to the Cont Army. Perhaps that's why Washington's Administration refused to pay Shay's soldiers and made him favor the dangerous (to liberty) specter of a large standing army?
At any rate, this whole movement started in 1770 with the Boston Massacre, which was simply loyal Empire citizens, standing in the Commons, refusing to give way to a line of Stormtroopers/Redcoats. After they were shot, and Thomas Pain's "Common Sense" flooded the streets, citizen's no longer considered themselves British, but North American, instead.
So, I agree with those who say: It's early yet, leaders will emerge later. What OWS needs right now is the support of millions of Americans in the form of a General Strike where all of us default on our bills during the same month and resolve to just stay home and boycott the Empire.
TJ
TJ, the Regulars' muskets belonged to the army, but the militia's muskets were owned in common by their companies, and brought with them into service. They weren't stealing anything when they took them home with them.
As to pay, JPM wrote: "We [the Regulars] were, also [in addition to good food, good clothing, and shelter], promised six dollars and two-thirds a month, to be paid us monthly; and how did we fare in this particular? Why, as we did in every other. I received the six dollars and two-thirds till (if I remember rightly) the month of August, 1777, when paying ceased. And what was six dollars and sixty-seven cents of this "Continental currency" as it was called, worth? It was scarcely enough to procure a man a dinner. Government was ashamed to tantalize the soldier any longer with such trash, and wisely gave it up for its own credit. I received one month's pay in specie while on the march in Virginia, in 1781, and except for that I never received any pay worth the name while I belonged to the army. ... The country was rigorous in exacting my compliance with _my_ engagements to a punctilio, but equally careless in performing her contracts with me; and why so? One reason was, because she had all the power in her own hands, and I had none. Such things ought not to be."
Soldiers --including Capt. Shays, who was a Regular (5th Mass. Regt)-- were all paid, if at all, in the worthless Continental paper money. It was only the bankers and speculators (and perhaps the generals) who demanded, and got, gold and silver.
Good post Mairead. Great insights. I was just trying to relay the frustrations of General Washington from his point of view when he took over "the Boston Army" as it was called then, and faced the British Army at Boston with inadequate arms and undisciplined soldiers. He found there was only nine musket shots per soldier. Nine shots!
Historian David McCullough produces Washington's letter to Sec Reed in "1776":
"So many of the troops who had given up and gone home had, against orders, carried off muskets that were not their own, that the supply of arms was depleted to the point where there was not enough for the new recruits."We have not at this time 100 guns in the stores of all that have been taken in the prize ship [the captured British supply ship Nancy.]", he wrote to Reed.
So it wasn't 100 guns total as I remembered.
TJ
Some people are extremely uncomfortable with what is happening., They desperately want to steer it into something that feels safe and predictable, and so we hear their calls for a strong leader, for a limited set of demands, for more hierarchy and organization, for a more "practical" and "rational" approach, and we hear their relentless sniping and criticism of OWS.
TA (no pun intended!)
Seriously think about it. The civil rights movement in the 60's was organized and lead, Gandhi was a Leader and his movement was well organized, the American Revolution had both as well. Sh!t even the Russians had Marx, Lenin and that bastard Stalin!
I do not know of any successful effort for change that did not involve inspirational Leaders and well thought out organization.
If you can think of a more effective and VIABLE means to effect real change in our country, please share it! And I am saying that with all due respect.
I agree with what you are saying with this post.
There are organizations and leaders of those organizations involved in OWS, just as was the case with the Civil Rights movement. There was no one overarching organization or leader in the Civil Rights movement. Leaders emerged from the struggle, and the same will happen with OWS.
Same hope, different points of view.
Cheers.
I think you're misreading BorderCollie's intent. I think he's just calling for some practical thinking on the part of this movement. I share his concerns. This movement doesn't need to tie it's existence to camping in Liberty Park throughout the winter. It was a mistake to identify this movement with occupation to begin with. We're all citizens, we all occupy this nation. As far as "occupation" that should be enough.
Let's face it folks we're still not allowed to enter the Exchange are we? Our Government can't even demand an independent audit of the Fed. Having people drop from hypothermia isn't going to change that.