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The Tea Party vs. Occupy Wall Street
Finally, a truly populist uprising
Host David Gregory complained about Occupy Wall Street protestors “demonizing banks” and wondered, “Is this not a reverse tea party tactic?”
Gregory is right. In many respects Occupy Wall Street (OWS) is indeed a mirror image of the Tea Party. To the Tea Party government is the enemy. To OWS the huge corporation is the enemy. OWS wants to raise taxes on billionaires. The Tea Party wants to considerably reduce them. OWS wants to rebuild and strengthen the safety net. The Tea Party wants to weaken it.
Which stands up for the majority of Americans? (Credit: Long Island Rose under a Creative Commons license from flickr.net)
Both OWS and the Tea Party are mass movements but their attitude toward the masses couldn’t be more different. OWS and the other #Occupy protests lack leaders and a formal platform, but their demands clearly emerge from the thousands of individual grievances expressed in homemade signs and letters. Mike Konczal at Rortybomb.org did a statistical analysis of 1000 personal statements posted at We are the 99% TUMBLR and found them far less ideological than practical. Their demands effectively boil down to these. “(F)ree us from the bondage of our debts and give us a basic ability to survive.”
From his analysis, Konczal sees the outlines of a program, “Upon reflection, it is very obvious where the problems are. There’s no universal health care to handle the randomness of poor health. There’s no free higher education to allow people to develop their skills outside the logic and relations of indentured servitude. Our bankruptcy code has been rewritten by the top 1% when instead, it needs to be a defense against their need to shove inequality-driven debt at populations. And finally, there’s no basic income guaranteed to each citizen to keep poverty and poor circumstances at bay.”
As one would expect, given its longevity and political impact, the Tea Party does have leaders and a relatively clear program. Probably the best expression of that program occurred when Houston-based attorney Ryan Hecker created a website and invited people to propose ideas for a platform patterned on the Contract for America the Republicans effectively used in 1994 to gain control of the House of Representatives. Some 1,000 ideas were submitted. Ultimately 450,000 people voted online for the final 10 that became the Contract from America.
All parts of this new Contract are intended to shrink government. “Identify the constitutionality of every new law.” “Audit federal agencies for constitutionality.” Demand a federal balanced budget amendment. Reduce taxes.
Starkly absent is any mention of the dangers associated with concentrated private wealth and power.
Faux Populism vs. True Populism
Both OWS and the Tea Party might be described as populist but their definitions of populism wildly diverge. That divergence has been clear from their founding. Occupy Wall Street began on September 7, 2011 with hundreds converging on Wall Street. The Tea Party began on February 19, 2009 with a rant from the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. CNBC Business News editor Rick Santelli loudly condemned the government’s plan to help people stay in their homes. “(D)o we really want to subsidize the losers’ mortgages”? he asked. Santelli suggested holding a tea party for traders to dump derivatives into the Chicago River. Floor traders around him cheered his proposal. The video went viral after the Drudge Report publicized it. Within days, Fox News was discussing the appearance of a new “Tea Party”. A week later coordinated protests under the Tea Party banner took place in over 40 cities.
Santelli’s insistence that those who lose their homes are “losers” who have only themselves to blame is a sentiment widely shared among Tea Party Republicans and most recently expressed by Republican Presidential candidate front runner Herman Cain. When asked about Wall Street protestors Cain, former CEO of Godfather’s Pizza declared, “Don’t blame Wall Street. Don’t blame the big banks. If you don’t have a job and you’re not rich, blame yourself.”
During a recent CNN televised Republican presidential debate held in front of a Tea Party audience, the moderator asked Representative Ron Paul what he would do if a healthy 30 year old man decided not to buy health insurance and then had an injury or disease that required hospitalization and surgery. Who would pay for that? Ron Paul said the man was responsible for his actions. He had taken a risk and would have to suffer the consequences. The moderator asked, “Should society just let him die?”. While the Congressman pondered the question, audience members vocally expressed their approval.
This lack of empathy for what OWS would call the 99% is palpable wherever Tea Party Republicans come to power,
In Michigan conservative Republicans gained control last November. The state is home to nearly 2 million people, about 20 percent of the state’s population, who depend on food stamps. Until last month, eligibility was based on income. But this year, even while the state remains mired in the worst recession since the 1930s the Republicans made it much more difficult to qualify for food assistance. Eligibility is now based on assets. Those with assets of more than $5,000 in the bank or who own a vehicle worth more than $15,000 will no longer be eligible.
For Michigan Republicans it is not enough to be poor and needy to qualify for food assistance. You must be destitute.
In the Tea Party era, policy makers in three dozen states have proposed drug testing for people receiving benefits like welfare, unemployment assistance, job training and food stamps.
In 2011, Florida succeeded in passing legislation requiring the drug testing of welfare applicants at the urging of its Governor Rick Scott, who rode to office on a wave of Tea Party support. The roughly 113,000 Florida welfare recipients must pay for their own drug test. People who fail the test become ineligible for a year. A second failed test makes them ineligible for three years. The Economist magazine’s headlines conveyed the elation Tea Party members must have felt with their legislative victory. Drug testing in Florida: their tea-cup runneth over.
Despite Governor Scott’s rhetoric, the poor are not drug addicts. Only about 2 percent of Florida’s welfare applicants are failing the test, according to Florida’s Department of Children and Families. After adding up the savings derived from not paying welfare to this 2 percent and subtracting the cost of testing 100 percent of the applicants the Tampa Tribune concluded that Florida may save “up to $40,800 to $60,000 for a program that state analysts have predicted will cost $178 million this fiscal year.
But in Florida or Michigan or a dozen other states, it’s not about saving money. It’s about punishing those who teeter on the economic edge. It’s about making clear that we are not our brothers’ keeper.
OWS does demonize powerful banks. The Tea Party demonizes the poorest and weakest of us all.
For OWS unfairness means taxing billionaires at half the rate their secretaries pay and allowing the top 1% of the population to “earn” as much, collectively, as the bottom 60 percent. For Tea Party Republicans taxes themselves are unfair and inequality is desirable. Indeed, they want to give the 1% even a greater share of the nation’s wealth.
All Republican presidential candidates promise to lower taxes on the rich. Herman Cain has captured the popular conservative imagination with his 9-9-9 plan, a flat tax of 9 percent on the rich and corporations and the imposition of a 9 percent national sales tax on everyone. This would result in a 50-75 percent cut in taxes paid by the richest 1% while imposing a hefty new tax on the 99%. The Citizens for Tax Justice estimates that under Cain’s plan, the bottom 60 percent of taxpayers will pay about $2,000 more in taxes while the richest 1% will pay about $210,000 less.
The Tea Party vision of a future America may have been best expressed by the budget introduced last spring by Tea Party darling Representative Paul Ryan (R-WI) last spring and passed enthusiastically by the Republican House. “This is not a budget,” Ryan declared at the time. “This is a cause.”
Indeed it was, and is. Ryan’s plan would cut about $4.3 trillion from programs that primarily benefit the 99% while cutting taxes by about and equal amount, $4.2 trillion, cuts that would overwhelmingly benefit the 1%. According to Robert Greenstein of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities Ryan’s plan “would produce the largest redistribution of income from the bottom to the top in modern U.S. history, while increasing poverty and inequality more than any measure in recent times and possibly in the nation’s history.”
Even when they agree that federal spending is profligate, OWS and the Tea Party violently disagree on what should be cut. Signs and speeches at #Occupy events often target the exorbitant military spending and foreign wars. But despite the fact that the Pentagon is the poster child for government waste and incompetence, not to mention corruption, it is also the only part of the government the Tea Party considers all but off limits.
As soon as Republicans took over the House of Representatives in November 2010, they changed the rules so that military spending does not have to be offset by reduced spending somewhere else, unlike any other kind of government spending. It is the only activity of government Republicans believe does not have to be paid for. The Tea Party’s ascendance has only strengthened the Republicans’ resolve that the Pentagon’s budget is untouchable. An analysis by the Heritage Foundation of Republican votes on defense spending found that Tea Party freshmen were even more likely than their Republican elders to vote against cutting any part of the military budget.
The Use and Abuse of Government
The Tea Party hates the very idea of government, embracing Ronald Reagan’s famous dictum, “Government is the problem.” OWS also sees government as an enemy when democracy has been corrupted by money and government has been captured by corporations. The Declaration of Principles adopted by the general assembly of Occupy Wall Street in its first days makes this clear, “…no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments.”
As Nobel laureate economist Joseph Stiglitz observes government increasingly is the 1%.
Virtually all U.S. senators, and most of the representatives in the House, are members of the top 1 percent when they arrive, are kept in office by money from the top 1 percent, and know that if they serve the top 1 percent well they will be rewarded by the top 1 percent when they leave office….When pharmaceutical companies receive a trillion-dollar gift—through legislation prohibiting the government, the largest buyer of drugs, from bargaining over price—it should not come as cause for wonder. It should not make jaws drop that a tax bill cannot emerge from Congress unless big tax cuts are put in place for the wealthy. Given the power of the top 1 percent, this is the way you would expect the system to work.
But OWS also knows that government is the only vehicle through which the majority can fashion rules that increase personal security and restrain unbridled greed and private power. If we give up on government we give up on our ability to collectively influence our future.
Which is why high on the list of demands by OWS protestors is to minimize the impact of money on politics and increase the number of people voting.
Tea Partiers again take the opposite position. They defend the right of global corporations to spend unlimited amounts of money to influence elections and they advocate policies that suppress voter turnout.
“Since Republicans won control of many statehouses last November, more than a dozen states have passed laws requiring voters to show photo identification at polls, cutting back early voting periods or imposing new restrictions on voter registration drives,” the New York Times reported a few weeks back.
A recent study by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law analyzed 19 laws that passed and 2 executive orders that were issued in 14 states this year. The report concludes that these policy changes “could make it significantly harder for more than five million eligible voters to cast ballots in 2012.”
Today the Tea Party has the upper hand. With the backing of some of the world’s richest men and most powerful corporations, it has successfully converted the justifiable anger at Wall Street and government inaction into an unprecedented and ahistorical form of populism: a mass uprising against the masses. The Occupy Wall Street movement proposes a populism more compatible with other mass protests, one that doesn’t turn its back on neighbors, one that fights against massive inequality and concentrated private power, and that urges reforms that can once again allow us to have a government of the people, by the people and for the people.
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Show AllOWS vs TP. lol
I find myself in agreement with the gist of what you offer. I must take another tack ,however, when you insist that to be a radical you must, perforce, give up on government.
The real object of leftists is not whether to abolish or strengthen govt. but which sector of our nation will control govt., or rather for whom does the Legislature toil. I fully agree that voting for the Duopoly Party is a waste of ones time and, further, an actual betrayal of what the leftist sees as the responsibility of government.
But government is a necessity when addressing the needs of a nation of 300 million certainly. The question or the purpose of the current OWS movement is to bring to the electorate's attention exactly for whom our government operates, and for whom it should .
"a populism... that fights against... concentrated private power, and that urges reforms that can once again allow us to have a government ... for the people"
That sounds like a pretty explicit vision of government to me.
Setting a goal (fighting against concentrated private power) is not an "explicit vision of government" in any way. I have no idea how you could say that.
What I read into that was that Morris is promoting campaign finance reform, which would increase the number of parties from the mere two we vote on now. He's also obviously about spreading the wealth, a liberal ideal. But saying he's a Democrat is a stretch. Anyone who wants more parties at the table should be fighting for campaign finance reform. And thats a fair definition of government from an article for which government is not the topic.
The only way to have more parties at the table is to revise the Constitution away from winner-take-all electoral representation to parliamentarian, proportional representation. Campaign finance reform is desirable, but it will not by itself bring more parties to the table.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_the_Founding_Fathers_want_a_two_party_system_of_government
Two Party System? Not for our Founders.
The founding fathers wanted to create a government like they saw the Native Americans using as far as personal freedoms. This is seen in the Albany Plan of Union, written by Bejamin Franklin. They had other sources, and were also used to the Britsh Government, a Parlimentary constituional monarchy. In additions, they had some fears and problems of their own-- like slavery, and a fear of too much power in the hands of the government. One of their great fears was party politics. They repeatedly warned against political parties, as you can see in the Federalist Papers, and some of Washington's speaches.Obviously, if they opposed a two-party system, they would not have favored one. They did form parties, the Federalist, the Democratic-Republican, the Whig and various others. The Democrats didn't even form until Andrew Jackson ran for office. The Republicans waited until the 1840s. They later took care to create ballot access laws to keep Independent and third party candidates from competing.
and
http://www.netplaces.com/american-government/political-parties/evolution-of-the-two-party-system.htm
Evolution of the Two-Party System by Nick Ragone
Contrary to popular belief, the two-party system is not institutionalized in the Constitution. In fact, most of the delegates at the Constitutional Convention were hostile to the idea of political parties. George Washington worried about the “baneful effects of the spirit of party” would have on the young Republic. Thomas Jefferson was more blunt in his criticism: “If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all.”
Nonetheless, convention delegates coalesced around two general principles while writing the Constitution. The Federalists supported a strong national government, while the antifederalists were interested in preserving the states' autonomy. As we have learned, many provisions of the Constitution resulted from compromise between the two factions.
Federalists and the Democratic-Republicans
Following the 1787 convention, the two factions battled over the ratification of the Constitution, with the Federalists — led by Alexander Hamilton and John Adams — winning out. Hamilton, who was appointed treasury secretary by George Washington, had a bold vision for the country. He believed that it should be the role of the federal government to promote a robust national economy that produced a thriving manufacturing and commercial class. In order to win passage of his programs through Congress, Hamilton cultivated and organized a group of like-minded allies to form the first political party, known as the Federalists. They recruited candidates in subsequent elections to increase their majority in Congress.
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I would only add that, late in life, Hamilton noted that, of all his decisions, the two party system was,perhaps, his most egregious mistake.
Lots of knee-jerks in the commentary. Also, the current "mass" of OWS about equals the eventual "mass" of the TP, but neither are "mass" when compared to the mass's numbers. So, I think it very unfair to deride the author's use of the term mass movement to describe either OWS or TP--Reactionaries can form mass movements as done by Mussolini, Hitler and Franco. So the term mass movement isn't automatically positive.
One needs look no further than the governance of Franklin Delano Roosevelt to find a nation led by one who refused the blandishments of corporations in favor of administering to the needs of the people. This is not all that long ago when put into perspective.
Ever since we have had either more or less control of our nation by corporations. Beginning in the Reagan era we saw the gloves come off and the corporations taking a dramatic leap forward with regard to their control of the politicians and thus control of the nations path.
I must ask you to further explain your seeming dread of the word "reform" and your position that seeking said reforms is somehow a bad idea. If you are taking a position that our current form of governance is unacceptable and we must radically change to another, unnamed system I would take another tack.
I believe that, with such "reforms" as free elections, an end to lobbyists ( or at least dramatic restrictions on their methodologies), a change to an IRV form of voting, a the ending of the stranglehold of the Duopoly Party, etc., we could restore this nation to a real democratic republic.
FDR was a child of privilege and did nothing but save capitalism from itself, a dubious accomplishment at best.
Snobbery of the have nots?
That Roosevelt was wealthy, that Eleanor was as well, is simply not relevant to any discussion of their actual impact on the course of government during that administration. Are you unaware, or simply wish to ignore, the many programs instituted by Roosevelt, many at the urgings of his wife in fact, programs that hugely benefited the middle, working and poorer classes?
A comment as cryptic as that which you chose to post doesn't show much desire to discuss, doesn't display a knowledge base and adds nothing to the discussion.in progress.
Having a bad day?
Why do we want to have an empire of 300 million in the first place that engages in domestic and foreign oppression? Much smaller governance units work better. Look at Denmark with it's high level of equality, quality of life, and 20% wind power for example.
"Denmark, with a mixed market capitalist economy and a large welfare state,[6] ranks as having the world's highest level of income equality.[7] It has frequently ranked as the happiest[8][9] and least corrupt country in the world.[10"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark
"Wind power provided 18.9% of electricity production and 24.1% of generation capacity in Denmark in 2008,[1] Denmark was a pioneer in developing commercial wind power during the 1970s, and today almost half of the wind turbines around the world are produced by Danish manufacturers such as Vestas and Siemens Wind Power along with many component suppliers."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Denmark
Local self rule IS compatible and even necessary I would argue for ending empire, and bringing justice and fairness to the Turtle Island continent currently known as "America."
Here is another example the proposal from many in Vermont to break away from the U.S. for local self rule exactly because they see the United States of America as a big bloated empire with excessively top down governance as unsustainable and unjust.
http://vermontrepublic.org/
I am glad to see that, when properly motivated, you are indeed capable of serious commentary.
"OWS has not fully defined itself yet, but if it's to be anything worthwhile, it's NOT going to be as a "liberal" entity. If it winds up "liberal," it will have failed. One of its main virtues thus far is precisely its potentially RADICAL orientation, in the original sense of that term."
The radical left, the conservative left, is the Stalinist, Hedgesian reaction to the radical right. If by pushing harder than liberals it can bring a balance between right and left, great. It serves its function. But the conservative left hates liberals as much as the conservative right does. If OWS winds up radical, the 99% will be reduced to maybe the 5%. Whether rightist or leftist, a liberal democracy cannot last when governed by the fringes.
Direct democracy
THAT I agree with you on 100% I luv BB.
This is DAVID Morris writing, not the asshole Dick Morris.
"Both OWS and the Tea Party are mass movements"
Stopped reading this crap piece right then.
The Tea Party is no threat to the 1%, while the OWS movement is a threat to the 1%. One way I know that is: How many Tea Party protesters have ever been arrested? Thousands of OWS protesters have been incarcerated. Today, in Oakland, many more have been arrested for protesting.
The bad behavior is pointedly at the doorstep of the police. Do you drink your Tea with lemon too?
Handicapping a potential Tea Bagger vs. Occupy Wall Street fight is quite fascinating: graying bitter mostly WASP dupes versus a wider and younger demographic that is the future of America. One has corporate $$$ and media on their side, as well as the tacit approval of the command structure of the police, while the other has numbers and the truth.
Except it's a false narrative, NO ONE in the U.S. likes the bailed out banks, or corporate persons at this point. Popularity of Congress is at 9 percent, NO ONE with any sense left or right believes the Pravda like establishment b.s. anymore and we have many common enemies, and will have to rebuild out communities together after the fall of empire, so I reject your assumptions in full.
It's the not the people on the ground who want to fight it's Dimcocrap and Repigliecon operatives who want us to fight, operatives who are cordially invited to FUCK OFF!
David Morris is full of SHYT to the power of 10. The Democrats keep trying to identify OWS as the anti tea party. IT IS NOT ! You CANNOT label us and you CANNOT capture us. The OWS is a SOCIAL movement whose purpose is to develop a new MYTHOS to enable us to live in a more sustainable world. We are decentralized and therefore have a thousand different ways to achieve the new MYTHOS. We need not bother with political parties because they are corrupt and self destructive. We wouldn't touch the political parties with a ten foot pole soaked in alcohol. You had your chance and you frigged it up. Now go away like nice little corrupt people.
Well said stone.
The reason we will not give a leader, or a single cause is simple, Occupy has not sold it's self, this is not financed by fox news or the Koch brothers, it is about fox news and the Koch brothers.
I've got your back on that one Stone. Would you please friend me on facebook so we could dialog more directly in a more conducive environment not so full of partisan propaganda?
https://www.facebook.com/matthew.s.rogers1
This article is trying to contrast the Kochroaches and Occupy. Not worth the time and effort to read it.
I think David Morris does an excellent job listing the many ways in which the Tea Party is antithetical to the values of a modern democracy and dangerous because it is so well backed. Meanwhile, I see many OWS supporters proud to see the way in which their movement remains unfocused and unbacked. This is unfortunate, because it probably means they will fail to achieve real reform, and reform is so badly needed. After 30 years of tax breaks on the 1%, it should be deeply troubling to EVERYONE that the first populist movement to appear after the crash of '08 wanted to out-tax-break the Republicans. Yet many of the comments on this thread talk about how OWS is 'above politics', as if the 99% hadn't already been horribly damaged by 30 years of Supply-side economics. For myself, I believe Morris' article matters. You don't come away from 30 years of supply-side economics, and the economic disaster it has undeniably caused, with a lesson of 'gosh, if only we had cut taxes more', unless you're an idiot. Yet that is exactly what the Tea Party has been saying, in deeds as well as words. Any country that can hatch a populist Tea Party movement in the face of such disaster for the 99% has been seriously coopted by the 1%. No, not just the government, the whole country. Yet, here in CD's comments sections, we find so many saying there's no difference between the two movements, that the Tea Party is just a different flavor of objection. As Morris reminds us, its a flavor that assumes those needing welfare are drug addicts. One should properly feel nothing but contempt for anyone calling himself a 'Tea Partier'.
You'll find most of the most strident commentary about "above politics" come from 2 or 3 posters, always the same group. They seem to dominate the dialog here. Too bad there aren't more OWS people posting and debating here on Common Dreams.
Actually from six to eight excellent posters...
Thomas Gilbert-
Heyletsevolve, your posted words carry no weight here. The old methods of disruption have the opposite effect on OCW.
The actual Occupy participants like me and Stone are the people you dislike, reformers like you are antithetical to what an actual occupation looks like on the ground.
Until OWS came along, its like I was no longer bothering to breathe, so numbed had I become by the sheer stupidity of the American people, as evidenced by Tea Party popularity. Morris here deftly summarizes what the Tea Party is, in word and deed: the 1%'s best friend. OWS supporters may be bothered to hear themselves defined as the 'anti-Tea Party'. But that definition, however inaccurate, expells itself involuntarily from the mouths of people like me, so otherwise struck dumb by America's astonishing self-inflicted fall from grace. We are like starving people thrown a bone. OWS really means that much, however much they hate being labelled.
This article probably helps clarify some of the positions of OWS and Tea Party for those who don't already know (though CD feels like it pretty much preaches to the choir). But the opening line, saying OWS is a "mirror image" of the TP is really bound to piss off a lot of people.
Unless by mirror image you mean "opposite" image, because the TP is a creature of the Koch brothers and Fox News who created it like Frankenstein's monster to wreak mindless violent havoc on the nation.
OWS is a purely organic grassroots uprising. Rather different.
And OWS knows better than to take money from any controlling agent, now or in the future.
What relation OWS has over time to any existing political party, or any new political party, remains to be seen. There is clearly no consensus on that issue among those involved and it is one of, if not the most, contentious issue. The only thing everyone can agree on is that the Democrats are sold-out corporate shills -- at least those at the top, we do have to give a little credit to some of the better people in the Dem party, but you have to wonder how they manage to stay there and stomach it at all anymore.
I think those Dems in Congress who still have any soul left should defect en masse, and hold a hunger strike on the steps of the Capitol until the Democratic party renounces all corporate money. Then they might earn some real street cred among the 99%.
Sorry, but having the best democrats commit suicide is not the proper strategy. Changing the party will take time. Hopefully the OWS marks a turning point with enough staying power to finally drag the democrats to the left. I believe this has to happen sometime and perhaps this is that time. There is wealth in this nation that is not happy with the right-wing monopolistic direction that has overwhelmed America. Ultimately we either move the democrats left or we all lose. A third party will merely solidify the power of the regressives and republicans. They play hardball and they play for keeps. As they change the laws with their subtle poll-tax type shenanigans, their shaming propaganda of 'worthless poor,' and on and on, it will make everything more difficult for the 32% who see the OWS in a positive light.
While I agree with you, I get impatient with veiled threats like 'chunk both of these... parties to the side'. Whatever you mean, is it really 'as simple as that'? Someone else said that the word 'reform' was the mark of an ineffectual liberal. OK, what's the word that was missed? Revolution? If so, why not just SAY IT.
Personally, I don't believe we are at revolution yet (but those of you who do should just come out and SAY WHAT YOU MEAN). OWS has put a public face on a wellspring of discontent in the whole system. If we have to pick a reform (that word, again) to stand behind, before we start sharpening the guillotines, shouldn't that be 'get money out of politics'. One person, One dollar, One vote. Lets at least stand for that, before we all fall apart in an orgy of violence I have a strong suspicion only the Drones will survive.
From a Tea Party Member:
"Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street
Don't Fight! Unite!"
http://www.notinkansas.us/occupy.html
Fuck your fox news, Koch bros tea party!
What information, other than stupid partisanship, do you use to decide that poster is a member of, or even a supporter of OWS?
To think that the OWS movement and its opposite number the so-called Tea Party could ever find common ground is absurd.
Irving - Thank you for your post. It is obvious that the other two commenter did not both following your link. What you clearly point out is what I have been convinced of for sometime. The majority of Tea Party supports do not support the agenda of the Tea Party that Morris has clearly articulated in this article. The Tea Party has never been a populous movement. It is a propagandized movement that has co-oped a portion of the population into believing that it is a populous movement.
At the onset of the OWS, many Tea Party bloggers were voicing support for the OWS. If the Heritage Foundation had not stepped in and put out the hate filled and divisive talking points directing the Tea Party followers away from the movement, many other Tea Party members beyond Irving would have made the move to OWS. Unfortunutely, the MSM is a powerful propaganda machine and there are too few Tea Party members who, unlike Irving, make the effort to think for themselves.
I always remind my OWS participants that the Main Street member of the Tea Party is just as much apart of the 99% as are the supporters of the OWS. They advocate against their own best interests because they believe the propaganda of the Tea Party rulers, not because they truly advocate the party line. Don't shun or belittle them, help them understand, which is exactly what Irving is trying to do.
Fuck your fox news, Koch bros tea party!
From a Tea Party Member:
"Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street
Don't Fight! Unite!"
http://www.notinkansas.us/occupy.html
There's nothing stopping you.
From a Tea Party Member:
"Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street
Don't Fight! Unite!"
http://www.notinkansas.us/occupy.html
We heard you the first time.
I think that David Morris has forgotten the 2010 mid-term elections and the impact that the tea party had. They actively campaigned for limited government and supported candidates who promised to work toward the goal of reducing the size of government and government spending.
The result was a landslide victory at all levels of government for conservative candidates. Almost 700 seats changed hands in 2010.
This shows how closely the tea party, a truly populist movement represented the American voting public. The tea party has not gone away, and the issue of government uncontrolled spending has only gotten worse, so we'll probably see an even bigger landslide victory for limited government in 2012.
Gov't spending has to increase during a depression (as a fraction of GDP), or the social consequences are horrific. The debt was put there by tax cuts, and that's a part of history you simply can't rewrite. The Tea Party may represent the views of many Americans, but if so, I consider them traitors to the implicit understanding of our democracy: that we ALL matter. Their policies have acted to r8pe their states poor and weak, and to blame those same for their condition. I simply have no patience for, nor tolerance toward, Tea Partiers. And, BTW, would 'a truly populist movement' need to prostitute themselves to the Koch Brothers for the financial resources to fake attendence at their rallies? I don't think so.
Founded by a financial trader (aka traitor). Enough said.
well said
I would not characterize the Tea Party as a Republican party. It is better classified as a party of the 1%, just like the republican and democrat parties.
Hey David,
Very well written. Poor conclusions. The Tea Party members are part of the 99%. Some of them are slower learners than others, but their numbers are dwindling rapidly.
The Democratic party is as much to blame for the circumstance we find ourselves in as is the other "choice" of legacy parties, or the corporations who have corrupted the system to the point that our democracy is dead. You sound like a Democratic party PR flack playing at the tired old game of divide and conquer. That makes you part of the problem not the solution.
Just be quiet. That type of rhetoric is soon to be obsolete. Leave us be and do something useful with your time; go occupy something.
Very well put agree 100%