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Petraeus’s CIA Provides Grist for Iran Murder Plot
Washington Post columnist David Ignatius, in his accustomed role as unofficial surrogate CIA spokesman, has thrown light on how the CIA under its new director, David Petraeus, helped craft the screenplay for this week’s White House spy feature: the Iranian-American-used-car-salesman-Mexican-drug-cartel plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the U.S.
In Thursday’s column, Ignatius notes that, initially, White House and Justice Department officials found the story “implausible.” It was.
But the Petraeus team soon leapt to the rescue, reflecting the four-star-general-turned-intelligence-chief’s record of pandering to those determined to blacken Iran, no matter how flimsy the “evidence.” Not that much better was to be expected from Petraeus — given his disingenuous record in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nonetheless, given his new perch (not to mention his sainted status in Official Washington and in the Fawning Corporate Media), this is very bad news indeed.
Before Ignatius’s article, I had seen no one allude to the fact that much suggesting that important evidence about this crime-stopper tale had come from the CIA. In public, the FBI had taken the lead role, presumably because the key informant inside a Mexican drug cartel worked for U.S. law enforcement via the Drug Enforcement Administration.
Petraeus ex Machina
However, according to Ignatius, “One big reason [top U.S. officials became convinced the plot was real] is that CIA and other intelligence agencies gathered information corroborating the informant’s juicy allegations and showing that the plot had support from the top leadership of the elite Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, the covert action arm of the Iranian government.”
Ignatius adds that, “It was this intelligence collected in Iran” that turned the “implausible” into plausible, but he offers no example of what that intelligence was. He only mentions a recorded telephone call on Oct. 4 between Iranian-American cars salesman Mansour Arbabsiar and his supposed contact in Iran, Gholam Shakuri, allegedly an official in Iran’s Quds spy agency.
The call is recounted in the FBI affidavit submitted in support of the criminal charges against Arbabsiar, who is now in U.S. custody, and Shakuri, who is not. But the snippets of that conversation are unclear, discussing what on the surface appears to be a “Chevrolet” car purchase, but which the FBI asserts is code for killing the Saudi ambassador.
Without explaining what other evidence the CIA might have, Ignatius tries to further strengthen the case by knocking down some of the obvious problems with the allegations, such as “why the Iranians would undertake such a risky operation, and with such embarrassingly poor tradecraft.”
“But why the use of Mexican drug cartels?” asks Ignatius rhetorically, before adding dutifully: “U.S. officials say that isn’t as implausible as it sounds.”
But it IS as implausible as it sounds, says every professional intelligence officer I have talked with since the “plot” was somberly announced on Tuesday.
The Old CIA Pros
There used to be real professionals in the CIA’s operations directorate. One — Ray Close, a longtime CIA Arab specialist and former Chief of Station in Saudi Arabia — told me on Wednesday that we ought to ask ourselves a very simple question:
“If you were an Iranian undercover operative who was under instructions to hire a killer to assassinate the Saudi Arabian ambassador in Washington, D.C., why in HELL would you consider it necessary to explain to a presumed Mexican [expletive deleted] that this murder was planned and would be paid for by a secret organization in Iran?
“Whoever concocted this tale wanted the ‘plot’ exposed … to precipitate a major crisis in relations between Iran and the United States. Which other government in the Middle East would like nothing better than to see those relations take a big step toward military confrontation?”
If you hesitate in answering, you have not been paying attention. Many have addressed this issue. My last stab at throwing light on the Israel/Iran/U.S. nexus appeared on October 3 in “Israel’s Window to Bomb Iran.” [http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/03-8 ]
Another point on the implausibility meter is: What are the odds that Iran’s Quds force would plan an unprecedented attack in the United States, that this crack intelligence agency would trust the operation to a used-car salesman with little or no training in spy craft, that he would turn to his one contact in a Mexican drug cartel who happens to be a DEA informant, and that upon capture the car salesman would immediately confess and implicate senior Iranian officials?
Wouldn’t it make more sense to suspect that Arbabsiar might be a double-agent, recruited by some third-party intelligence agency to arrange some shady business deal regarding black-market automobiles, get some ambiguous comments over the phone from an Iranian operative, and then hand the plot to the U.S. government on a silver platter – as a way to heighten tensions between Washington and Teheran?
That said, there are times when even professional spy agencies behave like amateurs. And there’s no doubt that the Iranians – like the Israelis, the Saudis and the Americans – can and do carry out assassinations and kidnappings in this brave new world of ours.
Remember, for instance, the case of Islamic cleric Osama Moustafa Hassan Nasr, also known as Abu Omar, who was abducted off the streets of Milan, Italy, on Feb. 17, 2003, and then flown from a U.S. air base to Egypt where he was imprisoned and tortured for a year.
In 2009, Italian prosecutors convicted 23 Americans, mostly CIA operatives, in absentia for the kidnapping after reconstructing the disappearance through their unencrypted cell phone records and their credit card bills at luxury hotels in Milan.
Then, there was the suspected Mossad assassination of Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Mabhouh at a hotel in Dubai on Jan. 19, 2010, with the hit men seen on hotel video cameras strolling around in tennis outfits and creating an international furor over their use of forged Irish, British, German and French passports.
So one cannot completely rule out that there may be some substance to the alleged Iranian plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador.
And beyond the regional animosities between Saudi Arabia and Iran, there could be a motive – although it has been generally absent from American press accounts – i.e. retaliation for the assassinations of senior Iranian nuclear scientists and generals over the last couple of years within Iran itself.
But there has been close to zero persuasive evidence coming from the main source of information — officials of the Justice Department, which like the rest of the U.S. government has long since forfeited much claim to credibility. The experience of the last decade has done irreparable harm to the reputation of U.S. officials regarding telling the truth.
Even the New York Times, always eager to support Israel and blacken Iran, has taken a skeptical stance in reporting and commenting on this latest caper. It will be interesting to watch, in the days ahead, whether that well warranted skepticism erodes or disappears, as the always-anonymous U.S. officials peddle what evidence they have. Am I being maudlin, or hopelessly nostalgic, to recall the days when Americans could assume that Washington was telling the truth and only the “bad guys” lie?
Petraeus’s ‘Intelligence’ on Iran
The public record also shows that former Gen. Petraeus has long been eager to please the neoconservatives in Washington and their friends in Israel by creating “intelligence” to portray Iran and other target countries in the worst light.
One strange but instructive example comes to mind, a studied, if disingenuous, effort to blame all the troubles in southern Iraq on the “malignant” influence of Iran.
On April 25, 2008, Joint Chiefs Chairman, Adm. Mike Mullen, told reporters that Gen. Petraeus in Baghdad would give a briefing “in the next couple of weeks” providing detailed evidence of “just how far Iran is reaching into Iraq to foment instability.” Petraeus’s staff alerted U.S. media to a major news event in which captured Iranian arms in Karbala would be displayed and then destroyed.
Oops. Small problem. When American munitions experts went to Karbala to inspect the alleged cache of Iranian weapons, they found nothing that could be credibly linked to Iran.
At that point, adding insult to injury, the Iraqis announced that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki had formed his own Cabinet committee to investigate the U.S. claims and attempt to “find tangible information and not information based on speculation.” Ouch!
The Teflon-clad Petraeus escaped embarrassment, as the David Ignatiuses of the Fawning Corporate Media (FCM) conveniently forgot all about the promised-then-canceled briefing. U.S. media suppression of this telling episode is just one example of how difficult it is to get unbiased, accurate information on touchy subjects like Iraq — or Iran — into the FCM.
Obama, Holder, Clinton: Giving Hypocrisy a Bad Name
As for Attorney General Eric Holder and President Barack Obama, some adult adviser should tell them to quit giving hypocrisy a bad name with their self-righteous indignation over the thought that no civilized nation would conduct cross-border assassinations.
The Obama administration, like its predecessor, has been dispatching armed drones to distant corners of the globe to kill Islamic militants, including recently the U.S. citizen Anwar al-Awlaki for the alleged crime of encouraging violence against Americans.
Holder and Obama have refused to release the Justice Department’s legal justification for the targeted murder of al-Awlaki whose “due process” amounted to the President it was okay to put al-Awlaki’s name on a secret “kill-or-capture” list. (The “capture” part seems to have become “quaint” and “obsolete.” Some will remember that those were the adjectives used by Alberto Gonzales, one of Holder’s predecessors, to describe provisions of the Geneva Conventions.)
Holder and Obama have also refused to take meaningful action to hold officials of the Bush administration accountable for war crimes even though President George W. Bush has publicly acknowledged authorizing waterboarding and other brutal techniques long regarded as acts of torture.
Who can take at face value the sanctimonious words of an attorney general like Holder who has acquiesced in condoning egregious violations of the Bill of Rights, the U.S. criminal code, and international law — like the International Convention Against Torture? Were shame not in such short supply in Official Washington these days, one would be amazed that Holder could keep a straight face, accusing these alleged Iranian perpetrators of “violating an international convention.”
America’s Founders would hold in contempt the Holders of this world and the faux-legal types doing his bidding. The behavior of the past two administrations has been more reminiscent of George III and his sycophants than of James Madison, George Mason, John Jay and George Washington, who gave us the rich legacy of a Constitution, which created a system based on laws not men.
That Constitution and its Bill of Rights have become endangered species at the hands of the craven poachers at “Justice.” No less craven are the functionaries leading today’s CIA.
What to Watch For
If Petraeus finds it useful politically to conjure up more “evidence” of nefarious Iranian behavior in Iraq and/or Afghanistan, Lebanon or Syria, he will. And if he claims to see signs of ominous Iranian intentions regarding nuclear weapons, watch out.
Honest CIA analysts, like the ones who concluded in late 2007 that Iran had stopped working on a nuclear weapon in 2003 and had not resumed that work, are in short supply. And most have families to support and mortgages to pay.
Petraeus is quite capable of marginalizing them, or even forcing them to quit. I have watched this happen to a number of intelligence officials under a few of Petraeus’s politics-prone predecessors. As a CIA analyst from 1963 to 1990, I worked under nine CIA directors, most of whom — with the notable exceptions of Bill Casey and his protégé Bobby Gates — resisted pressure to conjure up “evidence” to support White House policy. Sadly, more recent CIA directors have made that exception the rule.
Malleable careerists can be found in any organization, and promoted, so long as they are willing to tell more ominous — if disingenuous — stories like the latest tale one about the Iranian-American-used-car-salesman-Mexican-drug-cartel-Saudi-ambassador plot. One is initially inclined to laugh all this off. But the situation with respect to Iran can get very dangerous in a hurry.
Israel’s leaders would require but the flimsiest nihil obstat to encourage them to provoke hostilities with Iran. Netanyahu and his colleagues would expect the Obamas, Holders, Petraeuses (and the Hillary “obliterate-Iran” Clintons) of this world to “fix the intelligence and facts” (a la Iraq) in order to “justify” swift “retaliation” against Iran, should it rise to the bait of some Israeli-inspired provocation.
There is little sign that these Ivy-League geniuses have the remotest idea of what war with Iran would look like. There is ample evidence — and a long trail of past precedent — to suggest that nothing would suit Israel’s increasingly isolated and beleaguered leaders better than getting the U.S. embroiled in hostilities with Iran.
The strategic trend, particularly since the Arab spring, has been decidedly negative of Israel. And Netanyahu and his hard-Right colleagues might well have an inflated idea regarding the U.S. capability, after more Iranian “provocation,” to move swiftly enough to stem inevitably damaging retaliation.
Many observers have come to see Israel’s leaders as increasingly desperate. They may well adopt an attitude of What’s to Lose? — so long as America is on their side. If this is the case, the Israeli government may not hesitate for much longer to risk sucking the United States into the kind of conflict that, short of a massive commitment of resources and/or a few tactical nuclear weapons, the U.S. and Israel could almost surely not win.
It would be the kind of war that would make Iraq and Afghanistan look like minor skirmishes.
An earlier version of this article appeared on Consortiumnews.com.
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Show AllThere is no doubt at all that this government has gone off the deep end.
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2011/10/14/michael-scheuer-just-another-sting-to-benefit-israel/
Oops! Mustn't suggest any possible connection to Israeli interests, and especially not what Cynthia McKinney calls "the pledge" to support Israel that is forced on every candidate for the U.S. Congress.
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27029
Let us not forget that the US has supplied Israel with bunker busters and Israel has itchy fingers when it comes to Iran.
The government is being pushed over the edge, by the multi-national corporations. What we are witnessing on the world stage today is the continuing evolution of organized power in the human race, to the corporate state. The nation states are being set up for failure, while the corporations loot all the economic wealth of the planet. The nation states will destroy themselves doing the corporate bidding. Losing all their military and political power, wealth, and support of the people. When the current political paradigm, and world economy has been destroyed, then the multi-nationals will step up and claim the throne. A new chapter in human history will then begin to unfold.and the power struggle will change to from the all powerful state to the all powerful corporation.
aesps dog,
Well yeah. This is part of a coordinated affirmative action plan for Israel along with the UN pressure play on behalf of Israel by our pro-zionist congress to force the UN to stop supporting logic, human rights and common decency in issues like the atrocities being visited on the Palestinians and also force the UN to stop pushing for a Palestinian state.
When you understand that our congress represents Israel and war monging US one percenters, it then becomes easy to understand even if the actions are insane and destroying our country.
Wonder if the Iraqi government will build a Holocaust Museum in Fallujah, dedicated to the thousands who died and continue to suffer from the growing cancer epidemic, following our weapons of mass destruction delivered during several onslaughts upon this beleaguered city.
Perhaps fuster and his family will move to Fallujah to enjoy its contaminated air and drink its contaminated water.
Let there be no more excuses to destroy and occupy Middle Eastern nations.
Bill in Dubuque
no, I don't think that we'll be moving to Fallujah and I don't think that it was all that nice a place before we took it apart.
maybe a museum there would be nice, though. Fallujah wasn't known as a cultural highpoint.
Why the snide arrogance? What do you know of the culture and history of Fallujah?
I know this:
The Iraqis in Fallujah skewered the British military, there to "civilize" them into submission. Churchill then had them bombed to teach them a lesson; not so different from the Israeli response to the resistance and dignity of the Palestinians facing the murderous repression of a cowardly IDF and a great unwashed and unhinged (settler) population that is stealing their land.
Most recently during the US war of aggression on Iraq (no reason to look back at the validity of the weapons of mass destruction - "Curve Ball" said so - claims), the resistance in Fallujah scared the shit out of the U S Marines who they drove out of the city. This time the emissaries of "western civilization" went to teach Iraqis about etiquette after a few American contract killers had their corpses suspended from a bridge. From a safe distance the US Marines waited while artillery, bombs, rockets, white phosphorous and other illegal, experimental weapons like DIME and DU were rained down on seniors, women, children and resistance alike.
Some country we have been; what monsters we can be with the right stimuli. Cindy Sheehan has it crystallized in the title of her recent book "Myth America." I think it was P. T. Barnum who said "there's a sucker born every minute. To give credence to anything that the U. S. government says, when it advances their war mongering agenda, is to demonstrate how profound Barnum was in his observation. The current administration may not foam at the mouth like their predecessors, but for certain they are more than a nose ahead in their war crimes and unconstitutional and corrupt and lawless activities.
dlehman, So be it and so true. And Bush came on TV and said "We are doing this for our good allies and friends , Israel". So we ended up destroying a country to offset one of Israel's enemies. But they have so many. And now Iran. But they have been in Israeli sights for years. I And next? Lets see who is next. Just rotate around the state of Israel and you will see who is going to be next. And then if anyone here mentions any negative remark on the actions of Israel and or our congress regards to Israeli support then we are labeled anti semite. Not so. We all know that there are good and bad in every race but in this instance we must be able to defend our reasons why we do not like what is going on for our own conscience sake. We are no longer a country in a big world. We are a small world where everything has major consequences. Our lawless actions are not to be tolerated. Neither should Israel's or any country for that matter.
We are the ones that put the Shah in Iran. We are the ones that gave them a reason to hate us. At one time they looked up to democracy and the US but we taught them a lesson. So let us see what concoctions the gov't here and Israel will come up with to go to war and destroy another country that is a threat to Israel. But be careful. China and Russia are watching.
It couldn't have been a lower cultural point than you, fuster.
clovis,
Exactly. fuster the fourflusher is a firm believer in the la la land historical narrative spoon fed to him by war lovers in the military. If that isn't a cultural low point, I don't know what is. The idiot probably thinks the Maddox (ship of Gulf of Tonkin fame) was actually attacked and the Viet Nam war was justified. He also thinks that deformed babies and increased infant mortallity from Depleted Uranium in Fallujah is no big deal.
But then again, maybe he knows the REAL history and is part of the lying murderers that perpetrated it. His role here is to keep putting lipstick on that serial killing pig.
This is the history he and his murderous ilk don't want people to know about:
http://www.corbettreport.com/episode-204-a-brief-history-of-cia-drug-running/
Let's please refrain from name-calling ("idiot," etc.) and ad hominem, and maintain civility despite how much we may disagree with another's opinion. This was we can exemplify that peace and justice we want to see in the world. Thank you.
Ray McGovern deserves our gratitude for his expose in pursuit of truth.
The point that I am making is the need for anyone who derides Ray and serves as an apologist for more war should visit Iraq and this city of Fallujah that continues to be devastated by modern war and its eternal effects.
It behooves world citizens to visit this ruined city and stay for at least a month to breathe it all in.
Were Hillary to make her pitch at the UN with the evidence that McGovern has cited, she'd be laughed out of the assembly. Colin Powell should have been laughed out, then taken out and tarred and feathered following his lying presentation!
Lies to support US empire in its wars deserve to be exposed. My thanks to Ray McGovern.
Bill in Dubuque
Colin Powell has apologized for believing the Bush/Cheney lies about WMD in Iraq and is deeply sorry to see what happened as a result.
I agree with you about Hillary Clinton, however. She seems to be a pro-Israeli (as in right-wing Christian fundamentalist) neocon who may see it as her duty as an American to protect Israel from the Evil Ones.
Colin Powell knew he was lying. He's dishonorable, not stupid.
Exactly.
While the banksters look at the Social Security funds a the Grand Prize - the masters of War look at Iran as the new Grand Prize.
And obummer probably sees a war with iran a the perfect way to co- opt rightwing votes.
And a question for obama spporters: How can you support this war criminal(according to the geneva convention) but bitched and moaned vociferously about Bush?
I see that Hasbara fuster is Johnny-on-the-spot to discredit anyone who has ever been critical of Israel. I’ve followed McGovern’s pen for some time and find his analysis of intelligence (sic) related topics accurate and credible. All of the comments that I’ve read from “fuster” so far scream Israeli provocateur.
In response to the article it noted “(t)he call is recounted in the FBI affidavit submitted in support of the criminal charges”. Yea right! An affidavit is useless when the affiant is allowed to lie. The FBI lies consistently. However, there are no consequences for lying, even when the lie is exposed. Yes, there are laws written stating that it’s a crime to lie in an affidavit, but that only applies to anyone not in the government. If you work on behalf of the government (law enforcement, management, political office, etc.) then you are basically exempt from those laws because the government is not going to prosecute itself. The government always lies. It’s not hypocrisy because this IS their moral standard (or lack thereof).
PEA, nope. I'm no fan of the racists currently running Israel.
I just honestly and truly think that McGovern has gone a little shrill. If you're a McGovern fan, please feel free to enjoy him, but it's obviously nonsense that Petraeus cooked all of this up in 30 days.
True or entirely bogus, this took a hell of a lot longer than 30 days.
fustercluck: But adding agency spin to an FBI recorded conversation about the purchase of a Chevy, that could be done with a phone call.
"PEA, nope. I'm no fan of the racists currently running Israel."
Not racist enough, or not violent enough for you?
"There is little sign that these Ivy-League geniuses have the remotest idea of what war with Iran would look like."
Iran doesn't have to retaliate against Israel, it has easy targets only a few miles away in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Abu Dhabi. Iran could crush western economies by destabilizing these countries, even closing the Gulf of Oman.
Then you have to ask WWPD, what would Putin do? Well, in October 2007 he went to Tehran for a conference of Caspian Sea countries and according to the NY Times said, “Not only should we reject the use of force, but also the mention of force as a possibility. This is very important. We must not submit to other states in the case of aggression or some other kind of military action directed against one of the Caspian countries.”
Putin doesn't say Russia would do something, but Russia has important historical interests in the region and they would do something, I think.
The only thing that could have possibly protected Iran from annihilation so far must have been some promise of mutual defense, either from Russia or China, that of course nobody is allowed to talk about. I doubt China would care. Must be Russia.
"Iran doesn't have to retaliate against Israel, it has easy targets only a few miles away in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Abu Dhabi. Iran could crush western economies by destabilizing these countries, even closing the Gulf of Oman."
A few years back, the US Navy wargamed what would happen if the US started a war with Iran. Three days into the simulation, 90% of the US Pacific fleet was on the bottom. The Navy panicked, and restarted the exercise to save face.
In addition, Iran also has a large (20 000+?) stockpile of 'Sunburn' shipkiller missiles, that fly about 25 feet off the waves at seven times the speed of sound. Average flight time to impact in the narrow Straights of Hormuz, the natural choke point leading into the Arabian Gulf, is less than five seconds. Iran has stated openly that any military strike will see these missiles fired INDISCRIMINATELY into the area, targeting any and all shipping, from US aircraft carriers and oil tankers, to cruise ships and bulk carriers. The idea being to clog the narrow shallow straights so as to prevent shipping of any kind .
Doing so would cripple 2/3 of the oil coming out of the Middle East via tanker.
Anybody feel like playing chicken? Blindfolded?
I think the chances that Iran will attack Israel are nil, but also that Iran has every right to prepare to defend itself in whatever ways possible from an Israeli attack. It's pretty clear that Israel, in collusion with AIPAC supporters in the U.S. government and Congress, have been demonizing Iran for years while waiting for a good enough excuse, such as nuclear weapons. Still no proof of those weapons, however, but plenty of proof that Iran is developing nuclear plants to provide electricity for internal consumption as it is legally and morally entitled to do so.
That Iran wants to extend its "influence" in the Middle East is also considered highly dangerous by our country and perhaps Israel. This could mean simply that it wants to maintain good trade relations with its neighbors rather than something so sinister as an anti-Israel attack. I'm really tired of the demonization, but I'd guess the Iranians are a lot more tired of it than I.
if i'm not mistaken, the manipulation of intelligence to "fit the policy" has been part and parcel of u.s. govt. actions and intentions during it's entire existance, most notably in the invasion of iraq. it should not come as any shock to anyone that the pattern is alive and unwell at the present moment with respect to iran. how can anyone believe anything this govt. claims anymore?
Indeed, starkraving.
The ancient Roman legal principle "falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus" ("false in one, false in all") holds that a witness who willfully falsifies one matter may be deemed incredible on any matter.
It is still regularly invoked by attorneys to impeach opposing witnesses in court when a witness's knowing and intentional falsehood or deceit is exposed, especially to discredit the remainder of said witness's uncorroborated testimony.
Triers of fact in judicial and administrative proceedings responsibly rely on the principle in everyday adjudication, whether or not they're aware of its ancient provenance.
It's a principle that has a thousand siblings in folklore and traditional common sense, from "Fool me once..." to abjurations against crying "Wolf!"
Like all such principles, it must be taken with a grain of salt and used judiciously. Still, it expresses a practical wisdom that can be learned in kindergarten.
I think of one poor little neighborhood girl in my childhood who lived with her grandmother, due to some troubled domestic circumstances to which we playmates were oblivious. She was notorious for telling tall tales-- e.g., her father worked at Disneyland (we lived in Philly), and he was going to take her there for the whole summer; she would bring back toys and gifts for everybody.
The promised proofs never materialized.
I often wonder what became of her. She finally moved away, but I'm sure it wasn't to Disneyland.
For many years now, I've equated the US government with poor little Candy-- "Candy's such a LIAR!", we would say behind her back.
Only the foolishly credulous or obtuse Amerikan accepts official government statements, especially federal government statements, as veridical. Like any other persistently impeached witness, the sensible approach is to presume that its pronouncements are always mendacious and self-serving, and work from there.
Although I usually find your analogies excellent, always look forward to your posts, and think you a better writer and thinker than any other poster and indeed, article writer here, I don’t get this one.
Your kindergarten friend Candy likely lied to mask a miserable reality.
Why are these elites making up these ridiculous lies we are constantly subjected to? Unless you count the misery of being morally bankrupt (which I doubt many are capable of feeling), they seem pretty comfy.
Perhaps, though, you are right, as you usually are. Candy sensed that if she told the truth she’d be ostracized, whether she was right or wrong. Those responsible for informing the public know they’ll be ostracized if they told the truth, and they’re certainly right. Maybe Candy is working for the CIA.
It amazes me that this populace is capable of being swayed by allegations with so little—or in this case no--real proof. This story deserves great attention, not because it is more egregious than many others, but because the allegations are so ridiculously unfounded. Well, I’ve witnessed this all my life, from when MLK, Malcolm X, JFK and Bobby took their bullets. The corporatist media such as NYTimes can wonder a little, but they know who their true bosses are. A little squawk here and there maintains their credibility with the neoliberals. One needs the occasional half-assed truth-telling among the flurry of deception to maintain credibility.
By the way, I’m always talking about the dumbing down of the populace, and I know this is a bit off-subject, but I have to say something about spell-check. I misspelled egregious as eggregious, and the spell-check suggested “philosophy.” Earlier I misspelled exponentially a bit, and the spell-check suggested “philosophy.” In fact, ever since my Word told me I needed to install an upgrade, this has happened –whenever I misspell a less-than-absolutely-common word, the suggestion is always “philosophy.” Misspell, for instance, misspell as mispell, and if you’ve gotten my same upgrade, you’ll see what I mean. I’ve been having a bitter sort of fun trying different words out.
“The destruction of words is a beautiful thing.” Indeed.
I think I went astray by personalizing and thus complicating a simple comparison, Elizabeth.
Candy's pathos is real enough, and even as a kid I privately felt a little bit sorry for her because she seemed somehow lost.
However, in retrospect it's misleading and distracting to have cluttered up my simple association with the biographical details, however authentic.
I was really only reflecting upon the phenomenon of serial lying and its consequences, not particularly what motivates it. Her only relevance to my point is that, all things being equal, even in unsophisticated juvenile circles a habitual liar who gets caught or exposed as such stops being taken seriously.
We have a government that gets caught over and over telling whoppers as ludicrously incredible as anything Candy ever told. Yet, by and large authoritarian-following, complacent, conventional Normals continue to compulsively and uncritically assign weight and credibility to these patently cynical and self-serving official sources.
Hero-4-PEACE,
How do we know what is true? By studying history untarnished by jingoism or nationalistic propaganda whores.
This is an example of real history:
http://www.corbettreport.com/episode-204-a-brief-history-of-cia-drug-running/
While we are on the subject of truth, it has come out today that one of our drones killed some of our troops. So how does a "fuster fourflusher type" deal with this if he is a lying, propaganda pushing, war loving POS?
1) Don't talk about it.
2) If you must talk about it, claim we have a really, really free press because our "integrity filled" CIA admited the drome was engaged in friendly fire.
3) Claim it was an anomally and necessary for our "noble war on terror".
Someone who wants peace would do none of those things. Someone who is honest would claim the wars are not justified and friendly fire is just more evidence of the hard truth that we fucked up big time by going to Afghanistan. Fuster won't do that.
I think it's pretty clear. Coin flipping aside, people here have track records. So does our government. Ignoring those track records and trying to compartmentalize every new occurence without referencing the track record is naive. As a matter of fact, propagandists count on that mindset to cloud the issue of whether or not THEIR statements are credible while simultaneously scoffing at anyone, like OS, that has the temerity to remind us of our government's lack of credibility based on serial mendacity.
We get it. DO YOU?
Hero-4-PEACE,
Agreed. The other day on a lark, I looked up my screen name (which is a composite of part of my first and last name) in German since I have some German ancestry. It turns out that agelbert means "anger bright" in German.
I would suggest to you that you think about the reticence of propagandists to reinvent themselves with new screen names. Psychologically, a new screen name is a disadvantage when seeking credibility because a new screen name is always greeted with some skepticism as to the timing and the subject matter of the article where the screen name first appeared. So there IS a vested interest, from a propagandists point of view, in defending his "turf" (screen name) because screen name longevity can provide some credibility. Of course it provides a track record too. So our analytical and critical thinking skills are continuously called into play.
Perhaps you think it is intellectually lazy to tag a screen name with a low to zero credibility score. If you do, I ask you to look at your circle of friends and acquaintances and honestly ask yourself if you don't have a "file" built up on all of them. You'd be lying if you said you started out fresh with each and every one of them on any subject.
You can, of course, make the argument that over stereotyping is "mob rule" type mentallity and ethically bankrupt. I agree. But that is the extreme and not what OS or myself advocate. I find fault in over relativizing ethical behavior. With all due respect, I think you are doing that. I think you are trying to be so objective that you end up without any firm position on anything. I think that, as much as mob mentallity, serves to undermine human progress.
That said, I do appreciate the fact that you are quick to point out illogical or incorrect thought trains when you spot them here.
Hero-4-PEACE,
In order to create a world that works (as in a sustainable world), it is imperative to understand that you must FIRST wrest the power to control the present perverse status quo from some predatory psychopaths that will not cede that power to you or anyone else without a huge struggle.
Secondly, you must discard the idea that this sustainable world will "work" for everyone. It will NOT work for psychopathic predators at all. It will not be cost effective for them and they will have to use their ample thespian skills to pretend to be someone else and get by. Remember it is these predators that want a world where the poor and the sick and unemployed are discarded. You cannot negotiate with that mindset. It's incompatible with sustainability in a working social order.
This is an example of the present status quo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KZWAQ_3yoj8
No one in good consciense can say that the Koch brothers can "fit" in a sustainable world society. So please don't. They are killing people and you want to understand them and find a place for them? I don't think so.
It's one of those weird parallels that life occasionally throws you.
You see, psychopaths and sociopaths comprise about 4% of the population. And the really successful ones rise to positions of political and business power, becoming quite wealthy in the process.
The spot they occupy socially? The top 4% tax bracket. In every country in the world..
Weird, huh?
false witness has a more pernicious significance insofar as representatives and apologists for the state are concerned.
coming from a family of lawyers, i am especially sensitive to the many ways in which truth matters little against forceful arguments to the contrary by unscrupulous attorneys. think alberto gonzalas and john yoo. that professions of noteworthy scholarship and principle should suffer from such low public opinion speaks volumes of said practitioners.
"CIA to fuse troops' opinions in war analysis
By KIMBERLY DOZIER, AP Intelligence Writer – 1 day ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The CIA is giving the military a greater say in the debate over how the war in Afghanistan is going by allowing battlefield commanders to weigh into the analysis at early stages.
The move prompted a flurry of criticism in the intelligence community's old guard, worried the change presages a campaign by newly arrived general-turned-CIA director David Petraeus to improve the poor marks the CIA gave the war effort in its own analysis earlier this year."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gP2f8CY2iE_rsiHyWcT1gECxpAjw?docId=367b539ec01b498ba72660acf1517854
Thanks to Petraeus we can expect CIA cheer-leading for how well the war is going. This means the White House will be even more insulated from the facts on the ground. Hell, if we weren't planning to stay forever it could have worked out well. The false reports of how well it's going could have convinced the Prez we could bring the troops home...
If we weren't planning on staying.
It's been educational watching the propaganda trolls (or wannabes) on discussion groups and generally on the internet. They want a war. Therefore they will say whatever it takes to promote the necessity of a war, how the enemy is less than human and war is too good for them, they will criticise then mock anyone who advocates a more level headed and professional approach. They have ready made talking points and bullet points. Obscure Names roles and dates at their fingertips (complete with links and correct spellings!!). They may even ingratiate themselves with some commentators on other non-war topics, to induce a false camaraderie.
Are progressives up to the challenge of recognising and overcoming this propaganda.
What marks this CIA - FBI sting operation most of all, is the readiness of the Presidential Office to vow massive retaliation against Iran, based on seriously compromised evidence. This places Barack Obama completedly in the George Bush camp of "weapons of mass destruction" duplicity. BO plays the great game without regard for consequences to others, and tells the big lies to the world for every move. By application of its own ethics, the US should be totally wiped out, for it is surely home to the worlds greatest criminals and terrorists.
This is probably the modern definition of a National Leader, as far as great power ethics go. BO ranks as the first man to win a Nobel Peace prize without any achievement to show for it. Perhaps it was the campaign promise to escalate the Afghan war to wipe out theTaliban, that so excited the prize committee. BO has expanded the number of conflicts and has refurbished nuclear arsenals, and expanded means of death with summary execution by remote drone missile, and redefined guilt as being defined by blast radius inclusion. By his morality, every citizen of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was guilty of crimes demanding the death penalty. This is supposedly the new American Century of warfare, but it started a very long time ago, with the creation of new means of destruction. Morality has since descended to the levels necessary to sanction their usage.
If the Nobel Peace prize has any meaning at all, the entire sum of money should be demanded back from BO, and in future, National Leaders should be excluded as candidates until their hands been safely removed, by means of declared permanent retirement, from the levers of power that unleash death and destruction. And considered as candidates only after a legacy of not starting new wars, and having ended old ones. Otherwise, where is the incentive? And where does the war politics of the prize committee lie?
As for the re-election hopes of BO, what can anyone say about a man so willing and able to lie to make war?
"the Iranian-American-used-car-salesman-Mexican-drug-cartel plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the U.S."
For a false flag operation, this is a real bozo. It's not only laughable, it's careless. World domination is the goal of the 1%, not the 99%. People are growing increasingly wise to these fakers and will resist a broader war in the Middle East. I hope that soldiers wise up and realize that they are fighting for the 1% only, not the rest of us. It's past the time to end this nonsense.
I have this quote to share as it just seems to fit....again.
"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." Coningsby by Benjamin Disraeli, 1844. And RV, you are on to something there....
Anytime I read where the 'u.s. uncovers plot...', I know then and there it is just another 'false flag' scare, fear and terror tactic. What I found amusing was the attempt by the fawning corporate media to play this up into a 'biggie' that might receive the acceptance of the american people for the u.s. to invade Iran. All this balderdash hasn't worked this time which I find comforting for now.
Now that o has presumed to NOT keep the troops in Iraq after 2011, just another long before preplanned campaign trick, he must send them elsewhere. So why not invade Uganda. Just another 'sly' move that reveals only that o and the mic are not even remotely interested in bringing troops home and cutting military spending. That would be sacrosanct to corporate amerika that can only produce and export weapons and war, the amerikan economy which really means destruction of the amerikan economy is of no concern of those bastards in washington d c.
FWIW, Glenn Greenwald succinctly sums up the surrealistic suspension of skepticism I was clumsily trying to deplore in a roundabout way in earlier comments here:
"Iranian Muslims in the Quds Force sending marauding bands of Mexican drug cartel assassins onto sacred American soil to commit Terrorism — against Saudi Arabia and possibly Israel — is what Bill Kristol and John Bolton would feverishly dream up while dropping acid and madly cackling at the possibility that they could get someone to believe it. But since the U.S. Government rolled out its Most Serious Officials with Very Serious Faces to make these accusations, many people (therefore) do believe it; after all, U.S. government accusations = Truth. All Serious people know that." *
(The entire article is well worth reading.)
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* http://www.salon.com/2011/10/12/the_very_scary_iranian_terror_plot/singleton