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Why the Elites Are in Trouble
Ketchup, a petite 22-year-old from Chicago with wavy red hair and glasses with bright red frames, arrived in Zuccotti Park in New York on Sept. 17. She had a tent, a rolling suitcase, 40 dollars’ worth of food, the graphic version of Howard Zinn’s “A People’s History of the United States” and a sleeping bag. She had no return ticket, no idea what she was undertaking, and no acquaintances among the stragglers who joined her that afternoon to begin the Wall Street occupation. She decided to go to New York after reading the Canadian magazine Adbusters, which called for the occupation, although she noted that when she got to the park Adbusters had no discernable presence.
The lords of finance in the looming towers surrounding the park, who toy with money and lives, who make the political class, the press and the judiciary jump at their demands, who destroy the ecosystem for profit and drain the U.S. Treasury to gamble and speculate, took little notice of Ketchup or any of the other scruffy activists on the street below them. The elites consider everyone outside their sphere marginal or invisible. And what significance could an artist who paid her bills by working as a waitress have for the powerful? What could she and the others in Zuccotti Park do to them? What threat can the weak pose to the strong? Those who worship money believe their buckets of cash, like the $4.6 million JPMorgan Chase gave a few days ago to the New York City Police Foundation, can buy them perpetual power and security. Masters all, kneeling before the idols of the marketplace, blinded by their self-importance, impervious to human suffering, bloated from unchecked greed and privilege, they were about to be taught a lesson in the folly of hubris.
Even now, three weeks later, elites, and their mouthpieces in the press, continue to puzzle over what people like Ketchup want. Where is the list of demands? Why don’t they present us with specific goals? Why can’t they articulate an agenda?
The goal to people like Ketchup is very, very clear. It can be articulated in one word—REBELLION. These protesters have not come to work within the system. They are not pleading with Congress for electoral reform. They know electoral politics is a farce and have found another way to be heard and exercise power. They have no faith, nor should they, in the political system or the two major political parties. They know the press will not amplify their voices, and so they created a press of their own. They know the economy serves the oligarchs, so they formed their own communal system. This movement is an effort to take our country back.
This is a goal the power elite cannot comprehend. They cannot envision a day when they will not be in charge of our lives. The elites believe, and seek to make us believe, that globalization and unfettered capitalism are natural law, some kind of permanent and eternal dynamic that can never be altered. What the elites fail to realize is that rebellion will not stop until the corporate state is extinguished. It will not stop until there is an end to the corporate abuse of the poor, the working class, the elderly, the sick, children, those being slaughtered in our imperial wars and tortured in our black sites. It will not stop until foreclosures and bank repossessions stop. It will not stop until students no longer have to go into debt to be educated, and families no longer have to plunge into bankruptcy to pay medical bills. It will not stop until the corporate destruction of the ecosystem stops, and our relationships with each other and the planet are radically reconfigured. And that is why the elites, and the rotted and degenerate system of corporate power they sustain, are in trouble. That is why they keep asking what the demands are. They don’t understand what is happening. They are deaf, dumb and blind.
(photo: hunter.gatherer)
“The world can’t continue on its current path and survive,” Ketchup told me. “That idea is selfish and blind. It’s not sustainable. People all over the globe are suffering needlessly at our hands.”
The occupation of Wall Street has formed an alternative community that defies the profit-driven hierarchical structures of corporate capitalism. If the police shut down the encampment in New York tonight, the power elite will still lose, for this vision and structure have been imprinted into the thousands of people who have passed through park, renamed Liberty Plaza by the protesters. The greatest gift the occupation has given us is a blueprint for how to fight back. And this blueprint is being transferred to cities and parks across the country.
“We get to the park,” Ketchup says of the first day. “There’s madness for a little while. There were a lot of people. They were using megaphones at first. Nobody could hear. Then someone says we should get into circles and talk about what needed to happen, what we thought we could accomplish. And so that’s what we did. There was a note-taker in each circle. I don’t know what happened with those notes, probably nothing, but it was a good start. One person at a time, airing your ideas. There was one person saying that he wasn’t very hopeful about what we could accomplish here, that he wasn’t very optimistic. And then my response was that, well, we have to be optimistic, because if anybody’s going to get anything done, it’s going be us here. People said different things about what our priorities should be. People were talking about the one-demand idea. Someone called for AIG executives to be prosecuted. There was someone who had come from Spain to be there, saying that she was here to help us avoid the mistakes that were made in Spain. It was a wide spectrum. Some had come because of their own personal suffering or what they saw in the world.”
“After the circles broke I felt disheartened because it was sort of chaotic,” she said. “I didn’t have anybody there, so it was a little depressing. I didn’t know what was going to happen.”
“Over the past few months, people had been meeting in New York City general assembly,” she said. “One of them is named Brooke. She’s a professor of social ecology. She did my facilitation training. There’s her and a lot of other people, students, school teachers, different people who were involved with that … so they organized a general assembly.”
“It’s funny that the cops won’t let us use megaphones, because it’s to make our lives harder, but we actually end up making a much louder sound [with the “people’s mic”] and I imagine it’s much more annoying to the people around us,” she said. “I had been in the back, unable to hear. I walked to different parts of the circle. I saw this man talking in short phrases and people were repeating them. I don’t know whose idea it was, but that started on the first night. The first general assembly was a little chaotic because people had no idea … a general assembly, what is this for? At first it was kind of grandstanding about what were our demands. Ending corporate personhood is one that has come up again and again as a favorite and. … What ended up happening was, they said, OK, we’re going to break into work groups.
“People were worried we were going to get kicked out of the park at 10 p.m. This was a major concern. There were tons of cops. I’ve heard that it’s costing the city a ton of money to have constant surveillance on a bunch of peaceful protesters who aren’t hurting anyone. With the people’s mic, everything we do is completely transparent. We know there are undercover cops in the crowd. I think I was talking to one last night, but it’s like, what are you trying to accomplish? We don’t have any secrets.”
“The undercover cops are the only ones who ask, ‘Who’s the leader?’ ” she said. “Presumably, if they know who our leaders are they can take them out. The fact is we have no leader. There’s no leader, so there’s nothing they can do.
“There was a woman [in the medics unit]. This guy was pretending to be a reporter. The first question he asks is, ‘Who’s the leader?’ She goes, ‘I’m the leader.’ And he says, ‘Oh yeah, what are you in charge of?’ She says, ‘I’m in a charge of everything.’ He says, ‘Oh yeah? What’s your title?’ She says ‘God.’ ”
“So it’s 9:30 p.m. and people are worried that they’re going to try and rush us out of the camp,” she said, referring back to the first day. “At 9:30 they break into work groups. I joined the group on contingency plans. The job of the bedding group was to find cardboard for people to sleep on. The contingency group had to decide what to do if they kick us out. The big decision we made was to announce to the group that if we were dispersed we were going to meet back at 10 a.m. the next day in the park. Another group was arts and culture. What was really cool was that we assumed we were going to be there more than one night. There was a food group. They were going dumpster diving. The direct action committee plans for direct, visible action like marches. There was a security team. It’s security against the cops. The cops are the only people we think that might hurt us. The security team keeps people awake in shifts. They always have people awake.”
The work groups make logistical decisions, and the general assembly makes large policy decisions.
“Work groups make their own decisions,” Ketchup said. “For example, someone donated a laptop. And because I’ve been taking minutes I keep running around and asking, ‘Does someone have a laptop I could borrow?’ The media team, upon receiving that laptop, designated it to me for my use on behalf of the Internet committee. The computer isn’t mine. When I go back to Chicago, I’m not going to take it. Right now I don’t even know where it is. Someone else is using it. But so, after hearing this, people thought it had been gifted to me personally. People were upset by that. So a member of the Internet work group went in front of the group and said, ‘This is a need of the committee. It’s been put into Ketchup’s care.’ They explained that to the group, but didn’t ask for consensus on it, because the committees are empowered. Some people might still think that choice was inappropriate. In the future, it might be handled differently.”
Working groups blossomed in the following days. The media working group was joined by a welcome working group for new arrivals, a sanitation working group (some members of which go around the park on skateboards as they carry brooms), a legal working group with lawyers, an events working group, an education working group, medics, a facilitation working group (which trains new facilitators for the general assembly meetings), a public relations working group, and an outreach working group for like-minded communities as well as the general public. There is an Internet working group and an open source technology working group. The nearby McDonald’s is the principal bathroom for the park after Burger King banned protesters from its facilities.
Caucuses also grew up in the encampment, including a “Speak Easy caucus.” “That’s a caucus I started,” Ketchup said. “It is for a broad spectrum of individuals from female-bodied people who identify as women to male-bodied people who are not traditionally masculine. That’s called the ‘Speak Easy’ caucus. I was just talking to a woman named Sharon who’s interested in starting a caucus for people of color.
“A caucus gives people a safe space to talk to each other without people from the culture of their oppressors present. It gives them greater power together, so that if the larger group is taking an action that the caucus felt was specifically against their interests, then the caucus can block that action. Consensus can potentially still be reached after a caucus blocks something, but a block, or a ‘paramount objection,’ is really serious. You’re saying that you are willing to walk out.”
“We’ve done a couple of things so far,” she said. “So, you know the live stream? The comments are moderated on the live stream. There are moderators who remove racist comments, comments that say ‘I hate cops’ or ‘Kill cops.’ They remove irrelevant comments that have nothing to do with the movement. There is this woman who is incredibly hardworking and intelligent. She has been the driving force of the finance committee. Her hair is half-blond and half-black. People were referring to her as “blond-black hottie.” These comments weren’t moderated, and at one point whoever was running the camera took the camera off her face and did a body scan. So, that was one of the first things the caucus talked about. We decided as a caucus that I would go to the moderators and tell them this is a serious problem. If you’re moderating other offensive comments then you need to moderate these kinds of offensive comments.”
The heart of the protest is the two daily meetings, held in the morning and the evening. The assemblies, which usually last about two hours, start with a review of process, which is open to change and improvement, so people are clear about how the assembly works. Those who would like to speak raise their hand and get on “stack.”
“There’s a stack keeper,” Ketchup said. “The stack keeper writes down your name or some signifier for you. A lot of white men are the people raising their hands. So, anyone who is not apparently a white man gets to jump stack. The stack keeper will make note of the fact that the person who put their hand up was not a white man and will arrange the list so that it’s not dominated by white men. People don’t get called up in the same order as they raise their hand.”
While someone is speaking, their words amplified by the people’s mic, the crowd responds through hand signals.
“Putting your fingers up like this,” she said, holding her hands up and wiggling her fingers, “means you like what you’re hearing, or you’re in agreement. Like this,” she said, holding her hands level and wiggling her fingers, “means you don’t like it so much. Fingers down, you don’t like it at all; you’re not in agreement. Then there’s this triangle you make with your hand that says ‘point of process.’ So, if you think that something is not being respected within the process that we’ve agreed to follow then you can bring that up.”
“You wait till you’re called,” she said. “These rules get abused all the time, but they are important. We start with agenda items, which are proposals or group discussions. Then working group report-backs, so you know what every working group is doing. Then we have general announcements. The agenda items have been brought to the facilitators by the working groups because you need the whole group to pay attention. Like last night, Legal brought up a discussion on bail: ‘Can we agree that the money from the general funds can be allotted if someone needs bail?’ And the group had to come to consensus on that. [It decided yes.] There’s two co-facilitators, a stack keeper, a timekeeper, a vibes-person making sure that people are feeling OK, that people’s voices aren’t getting stomped on, and then if someone’s being really disruptive, the vibes-person deals with them. There’s a note-taker—I end up doing that a lot because I type very, very quickly. We try to keep the facilitation team one man, one woman, or one female-bodied person, one male-bodied person. When you facilitate multiple times it’s rough on your brain. You end up having a lot of criticism thrown your way. You need to keep the facilitators rotating as much as possible. It needs to be a huge, huge priority to have a strong facilitation group.”
“People have been yelled out of the park,” she said. “Someone had a sign the other day that said ‘Kill the Jew Bankers.’ They got screamed out of the park. Someone else had a sign with the N-word on it. That person’s sign was ripped up, but that person is apparently still in the park.
“We’re trying to make this a space that everyone can join. This is something the caucuses are trying to really work on. We are having workshops to get people to understand their privilege.”
But perhaps the most important rule adopted by the protesters is nonviolence and nonaggression against the police, no matter how brutal the police become.
“The cops, I think, maced those women in the face and expected the men and women around them to start a riot,” Ketchup said. “They want a riot. They can deal with a riot. They cannot deal with nonviolent protesters with cameras.”
I tell Ketchup I will bring her my winter sleeping bag. It is getting cold. She will need it. I leave her in a light drizzle and walk down Broadway. I pass the barricades, uniformed officers on motorcycles, the rows of paddy wagons and lines of patrol cars that block the streets into the financial district and surround the park. These bankers, I think, have no idea what they are up against.
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Show AllWell Buck, he evolved. And he leant his weight to the anti-war movement at some risk to himself. His definition of patriotism works for me.
He was a major player that helped start the war and worked diligently to keep dark skinned people under the grip of oppression. Sorry, but his words hold no weight with me.
The point is that he evolved, your judgment, notwithstanding.
The true meaning of "patriotism" is "nationalism" pure and simple. That is why patriotism will always be a tool of the war machine. And that is why the word, the concept, and the practice of patriotism belongs on the garbage heap of history.
I must admit I am so far thrilled with the spontaneous structure of this protest. I really hope it will sustain itself. I believe this is the future of socio-political action and a viable alternative to business-as-usual governance.
Most of all, I beg that everyone stay clear of identity politics. That means no churches, special interest groups, even overtly conspicuous unions... (you should wait for a more opportune time). The fewer labels and branding one subscribes to, the better. That is part of what led to our current impasse. Being part of the '99%' should be satisfaction enough.
"Most of all, I beg that everyone stay clear of identity politics. That means no churches, special interest groups, even overtly conspicuous unions... (you should wait for a more opportune time). The fewer labels and branding one subscribes to, the better. That is part of what led to our current impasse. Being part of the '99%' should be satisfaction enough."
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i agree... but there is a history of resistance, we can identify it as such and glean from the resisters (who hedges frequently highlights in his column), who have overtime created different strategies to address structural barriers to free speech/expression (orange police nets, kettling, mace, water cannon, fbi infiltration, free speech zones, targeted assassinations, etc...).
the general strike of 1919 was one of the only times in US history where a city of 100,000 was intentionally shut down by the people for about a week. the people were assisted/organized by the unions; but, the mutual aid and creativity that made the strike work - reminds me of the spirit emanating from OWS and the occupy movement . i think it's a legitimate strategy; it should at least be considered as a tool against the corporate elite.
social mediums like cell phones and computers have allowed us to have unfettered communication w/ revolutionary images quickly, faster every year.
the images from tunisia and eqypt could not be contained as easily as in tiananmen square or in red square.
the protesters in nyc (and more broadly across america) are adapting. i hope it evolves to create structural change in this country. it can't be corralled - it is an organic process.
...peace...
I agree but from the piece it looks like identity politics has already sprouted up. I find that very discouraging.
I noticed that too, kivals. In fact, I almost held my breath in expectation of finding some trollish disgruntled White Guy commenter bitching about "reverse discrimination". (I expect he'll be along by and by.)
But after all, identity politics has been embedded in, for lack of a better term, alternative culture (fka "counterculture") as common courtesy or comity. It's almost reflexive, in the way that in previous generations, "well-bred" men automatically stand up when a woman ("lady") enters the room.
I've long argued that identity politics carries toxic authoritarian bodies like prions or viruses deep within its structure, or encoded in its intellectual DNA. Even puerile euphemisms like The Enn-Word drive me up the wall. So I tend to be vigilant and disapproving when it rears its tiresome head.
That said, this informative and insightful report suggests that the most wholesome kind of pragmatism occurring spontaneously within OWS trumps ideology.
I commend this genuine ethical pragmatism, arising from necessity, as "wholesome" in contrast to the despicable modern machiavellian "inside politics" self-righteous usurpation of the term "pragmatism".
Team Obama-- Obama and henchmen like the odious Rahm Emanuel-- shamelessly pimped the bastardized version of their own utterly amoral, self-serving "pragmatism", down to copping the definition of pragmatism as "what works".
But at least consider, if not take hope, that the righteous-- as opposed to self-righteous-- pragmatism being provisionally practiced within OWS circles will eventually subordinate, if not eliminate, the more onerous and pathological elements of "identity politics".
That is, to the extent that deferring to identity politics becomes problematic or an undeniably superfluous hassle, participants may instinctively and intuitively minimize deference to it for the greater good.
Hedges' report describes an almost miraculous sociopolitical negentropy arising from the almost-disintegrated masses of ordinary unprivileged citizens. It's rife with evidence of energetic evolution! So perhaps it will even evolve away from the paradoxical and constricting binds of identity politics.
I'm glad to see a number of others on here share my apprehension. It has gone unquestioned too long in our society that divisions into narrow categories according to race or religion have worked out very well for the powerful. I find religious followers to be particularly hard to awaken on this point. It is important to understand from my remarks most of all, however, that I am not hating on unions or the faithful... rather, I am asking that we put all these identities aside for a moment and converge into a powerful movement. It would be a rare accomplishment indeed if we did.
It has been hard to acknowledge those dissenters in the past who have had no ties to religious organizations or to labour movements, but that doesn't mean we don't exist at all. We just don't enjoy the easier access to publicity that you do. I firmly believe it's possible--and less conditional--for people to accomplish important goals without recourse to insular cliques every time.
OWS will probably continue its "affirmative action" regarding speakers. I hope that works out, but I think it will limit participation of the masses in OWS. It's a small small minority of cultural warriors who can tolerate this kind of self rigteous identity politics.
IMO, the left is rapidly fetishizing the "process" aspect of OWS. To me, it's nothing new. This kind of spontaneous consensus decision making has been around for deacades and has NOT led to any monumental changes. In fact, when taken too far, it is paralyzing.
OWS can organize itself as it sees fit, but I reject he idea that its fluid organization is some sort of amazing model for the future. To me it's just warmed over countercultural leftovers.
RE: the left is rapidly fetishizing the "process" aspect of OWS.
Yeah, I see that too. I'm glad they figured out the "stack". They seem to be approaching the process stuff as if they are reinventing the wheel. And it seems that many are committed to using consensus.
The early feminists figured out (painfully) that consensus, rather than being the most democratic, is the least democratic and also highly authoritarian. All it takes is one person to halt any decision. What they found at a more insidious level was that they started changing their proposals in anticipation of the few hold outs. And last but not least, consensus is terrible for actually getting anything done.
Also the rejection of authority. It is not authority that should be rejected but illegitimate authority. What do the 99% represent? The LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY of a democratic society. There is nothing more authoritarian than a revolution - which is exactly what is needed to overthrow the authority of the Wall St capitalists.
Same goes for leaders. It is not that leaders are bad, but rather unaccountable "leaders." During the Paris Commune of 1871, elected representatives (leaders) were INSTANTLY RE-CALLABLE by those that elected them. And representatives to the general council could earn no more than the average worker. These rules safeguarded against unaccountable "leaders." For the brief time it existed the Commune can teach us a lot about how to organize (and not to organize) a worker's government that can withstand the forces of counterrevolution.
Eugene Debs said that "if I can lead you into the promised land, then I can lead out out of it too." He meant that having singular leaders is not healthy for a sustainable movement. We need to learn to lead ourselves. But leaders are valuable. We need to be cultivating leaders like next year's potatoes. Not all people can become good leaders, but under capitalism our creative potential is nearly extinguished such that very few develop leadership skills. But in revolutionary times that creative potential for all kinds of things, including leadership, can and MUST, flower if we are to succeed.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/10/crackdown-in-spain/
The movement in Spain is seriously trying to revolutionize social, economic and political relationships. This does strike me as something new, particularly the integration of anarchists into the widespread neighborhood protest communities, which provides some level of protection & support for the more militant protesters.
dreamjoehill,
an amazing read, thank you for the link...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/10/crackdown-in-spain/
{Not only were the police and media caught flat-footed in carrying out and justifying the arrests, what’s more, the situation was stacked against them. Radicals are harder to isolate in today’s political climate, at least in Barcelona. Within the neighborhood assemblies, workplace struggles, and occupations of the hospitals facing cutbacks or closure, the old political divisions have lost much of their meaning. Anarchists and other radicals who were once easy to isolate now form an integral part of new networks of neighbors and coworkers acting together in solidarity.}
...peace...
Here in Philadelphia the process has been painful to watch - part of the problem is that crusty punk-type self-proclaimed anarchists are doing what they always do - gum up the works with ridiculous demands on the facilitators, who no matter how inclusive they are get accused serially of not being inclusive enough. The worst part is that lacking jobs or really anywhere to stay anyway they are at the encampment 24/7 and able to derail EVERY discussion. No average Joe encountering the discussion who happens by can take more than 5 minutes of the process crapola and I imagine this is turning away people in droves.
Unfortunately I've watched unreasonable folks (mostly self-proclaimed anarchists abut others as well) do this in movement after movement for the past 20 years. Someone really needs to step up who has been doing the real organizing work of OWS here and tell some people for the general good to stick a sock in it unless they have something functional to contribute... not to waste an hour trying to reach consensus on the 17th new method of reaching consensus that's just a thinly-veiled attempt for letting so-called anarchists dominate the larger group.
Agreed. Process fetishization will severely limit mass participation in this nascent movement.
It seems to me that OWS is shaping up to be an interesting counterculture/anarchist excercise, but will not become a mass movement. It will remain a countercultural ghetto.
If you have an Occupy Together happening in your city you might make this suggestion:
Say you have a 100 people. One person, for whatever reason*, can prevent a decision from being made. That gives that one person tremendous power over the other 99. Do those proportions (1% ruling 99%) sound familiar? Insisting upon consensus unwittingly replicates the power disparity that Occupy Together is trying to overcome.
You don't have to use "simple majority" (51%). Many unions set their threshold for certain types of decisions, like going on strike, at a higher threshold - say 85%. The OWS movement could do that too.
*They could be an infiltrator.
"The real issue is income and job prospects, rather than skin color. More and more white people are facing difficulty in this regard, and the Wall Street movement would do well to recognize this. Our troubled economy is an issue that can unite us across color lines, unless we let the opportunity slip by."
Can't argue with that ...
This is something completely new that's never happened before and I am filled with hope. It seems to me that some of the people that I usually look to for wisdom in these responses have completely missed the boat. The purpose of the General Assembly is not to make demands so much as it is to try to communicate to others "this is what it is like in my world" and listen to others as they do the same. Reading some of the fears that identity politics will somehow lead to failure is foolishness. In a group of 60 men, 30 women and 10 non-whites, with white men (who have been socialized to believe they are intellectually superior) the first ones to raise their hand, you end up with a world ruled by white men, which is pretty much what we have today. If we are all in this together, which we are, it only seems reasonable to me that we need to have a representative group even if it means giving minorities priority to speak. Keep in mind, that all group decisions are reached through consensus and if you've never tried it, you have no idea how difficult it can be. But if it's done right, and it seems that they are doing it right, the Holy Spirit truly does enter into the midst of the group and you can feel its presence. The process is draining, but afterwards you feel nourished and fresh to go forward.
The "affirmative action" regarding speaker priority combined with consensus decisionmaking will ensure that this movement never moves far beyond the countercultural/anarchist community.
" the Holy Spirit truly does enter into the midst of the group."
Give me a break. Is this an anti-capital;ist protest or a religous revival?
Wonderful article! The gift that I see being presented by the occupy together movement is the regaining of voice - which as previous poster noted, Hedges was wise enough to give to Ketchup in this instance to talk about the questions in the experience of working to make this a beautiful and respectful process.
On this day where the powers that be shutter the US in commemoration of the 16th century activity of Christopher Columbus, ostensibly in the name of 'we the people', I dearly hope that OT addresses this.
Columbus spearheaded the implantation of the most heinous genocidal written policies of the European colonization process - reaffirmed in US property law as recently as 2007. http://www.doctrineofdiscovery.org/
The federal government annually shuttering all business activity in this context is like a barometer about the nature of voice in this country. Something so simple, but stunningly insidious. A PALIMPSEST - a void - a negation of activity, the "celebration" of a history that has been erased and replaced with a "vacation"- history and lives being vacated.
This sort of pattern is, I think, worth noting.
Hedges says that the power elite cannot comprehend what is going on. That is because they have never paid attention to the words of Subcommandante Marcos in Chiapas, who said that the elites do not know what the word dignity means.
They comprehend alright. Just like they comprehend the evil they do. If they didn't they wouldn't be so oppressive.
It certainly sounds like these brave souls are becoming well-organized, and know how to recognize and deal with infiltrators, and will know when to morph in order to survive as those wanting to squash them change their tactics.
Impressive piece, and you gotta love Ketchup.
"“After the circles broke I felt disheartened because it was sort of chaotic,” she said. “I didn’t have anybody there, so it was a little depressing. I didn’t know what was going to happen.”"
Don't be disheartened. The first Continental Congress wasn't very organized in the beginning. And the Declaration of Independence wasn't written and approved in short shrift. It was a year after the Revolutionary War had already begun. And their forms of communication were even more primitive than what you are experiencing.
But I would suggest the use of special interest caucuses be kept to a minimum. At some point they will prove divisive. Ever read Animal Farm or Lord of the Flies?
The elites are in trouble because the average American is now starting to learn how to live without them. What is happening today mirrors the 1765 PA frontier when an incompetent government allowed the orginal version of globalization--illegal trade with Indians at the expense of the colonies' own settlers. We need to run Independents who won't accept corporate money and vote both parties out.
karenramsburg4c wrote:
.....The elites are in trouble because the average American is now starting to learn how to live without them.....
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Yes. Exactly. And we need to keep right on going in that direction. It CAN be done, as is currently being demonstrated by the Occupation communities springing up all over this country.
Wonderful !!
I feel a small sense of hope reading this......hope that I have recently had only in the tiniest of fractions.
There is a strength to what these people are about that comes through Chris's writing. That strength is the spirit of humanity, in its latest American incarnation.
Thank you Chris for showing us the bright spirit of Ketchup! Who can believe this is actually happening the way it is: such bravery and innovation. One: How can we keep it going and growing? Two: How can we be ever vigilant against it taking a dark turn? Bravo Chris, Bravo Ketchup!
Try finding a local Occupy movement near you, and join in.
See
http://www.occupytogether.org/
That's the best answer for those pessimists in this thread also. Stop the gloom and doom, and join in ...
Thank you for your comment!
I agree with you -- "Stop the gloom and doom, and join in ..."
BRING DOWN THE WALL!
Thank you for standing in NYC!
Thanks to *all* of you standing in the NYC area!
"Even now, three weeks later, elites, and their mouthpieces in the press, continue to puzzle over what people like Ketchup want. Where is the list of demands? Why don’t they present us with specific goals? Why can’t they articulate an agenda?"
I don't believe for one minute "elites, and their mouthpieces in the press" are puzzled or that the above "questions" reflect any puzzlement. This is their strategy at the moment. To make the protestors look like idiots who are indulging in childiish foot stomping with no clue as to why they are really there.
As far as Chris's claim that this is the start of a "rebellion" I don't see it. I'd say now that my best guess is that if the protest doesn't engage in political action, it will be gone by next year.
All over the world we are witnessing a moment of grace through the immergence of direct grass roots action. From Egypt to Syria, Brussels Park, to Greece, and now in the center at the Cathedral of Power and no one articulates this better than Chris Hedges. While Chris does not say so directly, his second paragraph is a template for the two party dysfunction and especially the current ‘yes’ man and courtier for corporate interests, hegemony and abuse: Barak Obama...
Any elites reading this will probably feel reassured that they are not, in fact, threatened.
"First, we'll pressure this McDonald's operator ..."
Ha. I thought of that too-- the McDonald's Corporation itself putting the arm on some local Good Samaritan to cut off OWS access to toilet facilities, thus giving civil authorities ammunition to attack and undermine the assembly on "public health" grounds.
Time will tell, but there's at least a viable possibility that there are sufficient local "Not-So-Good Germans" in the area to support the rebellion as the authorities close ranks, and the feckless, servile authoritarian followers rally to the oppressive overclass.
Whilst I Iike the personal touch to the article, the idea that the 'elites' and those in power don't know what to do and who apparently because of that are in disarray at how to act is quite frankly a fairly naive concept and is projecting a lot of wishful thinking.
obonehead out
congress out
the senate out
the supreme court out.
out out out out.
I am incredibly dismayed at the turn our society has taken: rampant corporate offshoring, big bank bailouts, collapsing public sector, Citizens United. But the kids in Zuccoti don't offer a coherent alternative.
Want reform? Why not find some limited, popular, achievable goal, organize around it, form alliances, and lay the groundwork for further campaigns?
Want revolution or a new society? Build communes or kibbutzes, or pool your resources and start employee-run and employee-owned businesses.
Contra Chris, I don't think the elites are trembling before the challenge of Ms Ketchup, the vibes-persons, or even the co-facilitators. The demos will disperse as soon as winter sets in, or as soon as McDonald's closes its bathrooms to noncustomers.
As is usually the case, if the protesters try for too much, they will get nothing at all. I would hope that, at the least, a new viable third party grows out of this movement. And by viable, I mean one that has a chance to attract the votes of the majority of the citizens. That would mean a significant redraft of that first document that was circulated by the citizens' assembly.
I am sure the people in the movement do not want violence, and if they are not planning on using violence, then the only way they can achieve significant change is to obtain support from the majority. That does not mean they need to base their positions on the opinion polls, but that they need a set of coherent and consistent policy goals that realistically could garner the support of most people in the foreseeable future through a campaign providing accurate information and honest education.
Well said and quite correct.
It's great that the protests are asking for everything all at once! It's when you don't ask for enough that you get nothing. The Democrats are proof enough of that.
"Want reform? Why not find some limited, popular, achievable goal, organize around it, form alliances, and lay the groundwork for further campaigns?
"Want revolution or a new society? Build communes or kibbutzes, or pool your resources and start employee-run and employee-owned businesses."
Hedges describes just those actions you suggest, but aparantly were unable to comprehend while reading his report. And if you cannot see the "alternative" "the kids at Zuccoti" are offering, then you must be blind.
Hedges also notes the payoff to a Police organization by Chase. It reminds me of an action in the Pacific Northwest to save the old growth forests. Back then, the Police had symbols on their arm patches which demonstrated their links to, and relationship to the logging industry: i.e., images of tree cutters, bulldozers, etc. Times change, but the methods remain the same: bye off the police and corrupt politicians like the current ass hole sitting in the Mayor's Office, and you pretty much get your way...
Aristotle pointed out that:
"Inequality is the source of all revolutions; no compensation can make up for inequality."
Perhaps the protesters can take heart with this message:
"Rise like lions after slumber,
In unvanquishable number;
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you-
Ye are many, they are few."
Percy Bysshe Shelley from The Mask of Anarchy
'First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.' Ghandi... I think we're at the laughing stage. I just sent a gore-tex bivy sack, fyi: if you wanna donate:
http://nycga.cc/category/requests/
lucky, thanks for the link. Personally, I love hard copy and am sending money to "subscribe", broke as I may be.
Dream on.
.....the barricades, uniformed officers on motorcycles, the rows of paddy wagons and lines of patrol cars that block the streets into the financial district and surround the park.
......like the $4.6 million JPMorgan Chase gave a few days ago to the New York City Police Foundation, can buy them perpetual power and security.
"I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half." Jay Gould US financier & railroad businessman (1836 - 1892)
We humans are programmed to be irrationally optimistic--would be hard to face life otherwise.
To the few good people -- Take Care!
>>.....the barricades, uniformed officers on motorcycles, the rows of paddy wagons and lines of patrol cars that block the streets into the financial district and surround the park.<<
Shows just how much the establishment fears even a NON VIOLENT protest.
I support the protesters 1000%. BUT maybe the obedience - such as not having tents or megaphones is not the best of strategies. Sooner or later it might be important to let it be known that there is a difference between civil disobedience and obedience to a higher authority.
The elites have money, power, control of the government, control of the military, control of the media... I am not sure that a group of well controlled, polite citizens can win this battle - no matter how large the group is. For many years I have advocated for boycotts and strikes... a total shut-down of everything except essential medical and fire services. It is time to ramp it up - ramp it way up. (For years, many of us have politely asked for an end to the wars. You can see how far those polite requests got us.)