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"Rome Wasn't Burned In A Day": Replacing Liberal Timidity With Leftist Passion
Why is it that self-termed progressives are in full retreat (and have been for decades) from the witless army of angry clowns and hack illusionists of the U.S. rightwing?
One contributing factor involves the sterile cultivation of the persona of the "reasonable liberal," a type favored and rewarded by the status quo-protective power brokers of the Democratic Party and by corporate media organizations that find useful his trait of rendering himself feckless (e.g., the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue) by the passion-annihilating (but self-serving) device of his preening amiability?
But in so doing, the self-gelded liberal has sacrificed libido and discarded sacred vehemence for careerist privilege. Worse, the rest of us are advised to follow suit…that, in order to gain credibility, one must slouch towards center-hugging irrelevance.
We are counseled that in order to navigate this age of corporate dominance that one's irascible apprehensions and unruly aspirations must be suppressed, for such passions are deemed too radical for mainstream sensibilities, and are therefore regarded as impractical as they are untoward by the crackpot realists of the corporate bottom line whose dictates dominate the political discourse and economic arrangements of our time.
“Prune down [a human being’s] extravagance, sober him, and you undo him.”
--William James
Yet these self-termed "realists," by means of their ad hoc machinations and hidden-in-plain-sight schemes, are responsible for the creation, promotion and maintenance of a financial system (and its attendant economic, political and ecological consequences) that is as sound as the flight plan of Icarus.
When a nation displays this degree of a noxious mixture of mass ignorance and official mendacity, an age of peace and plenty becomes as possible as holding a tea dance in a tsunami.
Yet facing folly is difficult. Stunned by the implications of one’s mistakes and misapprehensions, initially, one will reel in the direction of a familiar road--or be seized by an impulse to retreat from the casuistry-sundering fury of the larger world. Yet, as Thomas Paine averred, "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right." And as Albert Camus counseled, "Freedom is the right not to lie."
With this in mind, shall we blunder off-road into the landscape of unquestioned narratives?
For example, the following is a topic, when broached, that rarely fails to incur the manipulative rage of the perpetually adrenaline intoxicated right and causes liberals to drop to their knees in penance for sins never committed: The questioning of this culture’s reverential, unflagging "support of our troops" blunderbuss and attendant comic book hero-level palaver, such as, "all good Americans stand firm in our support of our troops and our war against the forces of international terrorism."
A bit of personal perspective as to why I demur: Forty-eight years ago, this month, four young girls were murdered in the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham Ala. At the time of the tragedy, I was a child living in Birmingham. I remember the event to this day. My father, freelancing as a photojournalist at the time, arrived on the scene not long after the blast. I remember him coming home shaken and pale. The event is seared into my memory...how the blind hatred of the vicious can erupt into daily life and inflict irreparable harm and abiding sorrow.
Accordingly, this is why I can not abide U.S. wars of imperium e.g., its Shock and Awe bombing campaigns…the same modus operandi of those despicable, redneck bombers .
The dead of Iraq, Central Asia and Libya were no more responsible for committing acts of terrorism against the people of the U.S. than those little girls, readying for a choir performance in the basement of that church in Alabama, were guilty of any crime perpetrated against the "white race."
Moreover, the attacks staged on 9/11/2001 did not “change everything.” The event merely sped up the trajectory of the national security state/military industrial complex towards the landfill of history.
For more than a century, whether the propagandists of U.S. Empire promulgate the subterfuge…of fighting "to make the world safe for democracy" or defending against "the evil empire," or waging a “war on terror"--the objective remains, to secure resources for the U.S. homeland. And that is what we, the populace of empire, can "thank a veteran" for providing.
From the Blue Coats at Wounded Knee to the baby-faced tools of imperium at My Lai and Fallujah to the predator drones scouring Central Asia, the U.S. is the single largest perpetrator of terrorism worldwide. As all the while, guilty by their complicity citizens of the U.S. sit on their sofas, oblivious or unmoved by any event transpiring beyond their self-circumscribed field of reference. There should be a monument erected to the tragic legacy wrought by the acts of terrorism at "Ground Zero" -- and it should be a statue representing a willfully ignorant fat-ass sitting on his couch, TV remote in hand, Cheetos crumbs stippled in the folds of his mouth.
Granted, Lower Manhattan took a tragic hit, a decade ago, and many people suffered as a result (I know I live a couple of neighborhoods upwind) but none worse than the people of Iraq and Central Asia. Somehow, I suspected (and was proven sadly correct) that their experiences would not be evoked, as part of the 9/11 hagiography foisted and verbal monuments cast to sacred victimhood, as part of the official ceremony commemorating the event.
Moreover, not long after 9/11, an attack was launched from Lower Manhattan that collapsed the global economy. I, for one, would like to hear a bit more about that.
By parroting the self-serving hagiography of 9/11/01, as well as, "I support the warrior, but not the war" type fallacies, liberals continue to play right into the sustaining narratives of the national security state.
Case in point, the empty, oft-heard, liberal pundit assertion, "My idea for a 9/11 tribute would involve bringing our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan home, with proper benefits." Nonsense. Worse than nonsense: Precious, cloying, self-congratulatory piffle. The statement is axiomatic of the feckless calls and specious cries common to that species of walking cliché known as "troop-supporting" liberals.
As far as I'm concerned, "our troops"—human delivery systems of U.S. government sanctified terrorism--can walk home…that way, maybe, they might learn something about the larger world, other than their mission to kill the people they happen upon without question, and then share with their fellow belligerently ignorant countrymen what they learned about life (its sacred quality) on their long, Odysseusian journey home.
Apropos, reasonable liberals counsel such declarations serve as “bad public relation” tactics. “Don't you realize that you risk alienating Middle America? Remember, the reactionary fallout created by the radicalism of the 1960s?”
The fact is: The passionate questioning of the entire war effort in Southeast Asia, the role of soldiers included, helped to bring an end to the war and factored into the soldiers' rebellion at the later stages of the protracted conflict. In increasing numbers, the conscripts began to refuse to kill and die for a dubious cause...they went hippie on the ass of the military state.
The activist left ended the war; self-serving liberals blew the peace.
The "bad PR" involving "spitting on the troops" was after the fact, rightwing confabulation…promulgated to intimidate liberals into shamed silence, and, of course, liberals being liberals, it worked. True to form, they "distanced" themselves from the "troop-demoralizing radicals of the irrational left." In reality, they fled in fear from arrays of rightwing created strawmen.
PR itself is the dubious craft of professional lying--corporate era legerdemain. In fact, the craft is the opposite of the resonate truth carried by deepening poetry, poignant prose and challenging political speech--the near exclusive domain of the left in the 1960s.
You ask what makes me sigh, old friend
What makes me shudder so
I shudder and I sigh to think
That even Cicero
And many-minded Homer were
Mad as the mist and snow.
--William Bulter Yeats, except from Mad As The Mist And Snow
The inspired, enduring (very threatening to some) art, music and political action of the era were not the result of liberal accommodation and compromise. Antithetically, the cause of peace and justice (briefly) made some headway despite liberals not because of them.
As a famous literary drunk once quipped, "Rome wasn't burned in a day." Change will not come with a victim-centered view of the world...including viewing the nation's toxically innocent, economic conscripts as mere victims of circumstance. Yes, young people make stupid choices--but treating them as victims does not serve them or the nation well.
“Liberal compassion” should not be extended to countenancing acts of mass murderer. Time and time again, liberals play into rightist propaganda, by allowing the discussion of U.S. militarism to be framed as exclusively pertaining to the sacrifices of individual soldiers, whose fates, in the larger context of events, have been appropriated a device of imperial plunder. By truckling to this narrative, liberals play into the propaganda of those who prosper by the homicidal designs of the present day U.S. military state.
Instead, let us endeavor to disabuse the culture of the delusion that there exists noble sacrifice in the act of killing and dying for the agendas of empire. When an individual U.S. soldier begins to stagger in the direction of his own humanity (renouncing his complicity in the death-sustained system, as many did during the Vietnam era) then we should open our arms and embrace him with a fierce compassion.
On a personal basis, my family had little money. And I made many self-destructive choices, but I also had tenacious mentors who challenged me...called me on my destructive nonsense…pointing out the bulwark of denial and hubris that sustained its shabby, ad hoc structure. Making a home in being lost, I took up residence in the enduring structure of poetry, literature and music…Whitman, Kerouac, Rilke, Dylan, the Allman Brothers, Leonard Cohen, Iggy Pop, Joe Strummer, and others too numerous to name taught me to question, as the expression went, "everything."
This is not rocket science; this is far more important; this is the essential subject matter that informs the propulsion and guidance systems of the human heart. Withal, instruct the young how to build and inhabit the structure of a cogent argument and to navigate a soul-suffused landscape of poignant verse, lyric, and insight.
To do so, one must not shy away from confrontation. During the Civil Rights Movement and Vietnam War era, before the left was manipulated into fearing the libido borne of sacred vehemence, stupid opinions were not coddled; they were challenged.
Feelings were hurt. Egos were bruised. But an illegal war was shortened and a number of (long over due) rights were granted.
[…]Having come
the bitter way to better prayer, we have
the sweetness of ripening. How sweet
to know you by the signs of this world!
--Wendel Berry, excerpt from “Ripening”
At present, among the things we can ill afford are fantasy prone kids, duped into believing modern soldiering bestows nobility and involves heroic sacrifice. Instead, the times call for brave misfits, encouraged to embrace rejection by a dysfunctional society and primed to endure the inherent bumps and buffeting inflicted from a culture that has gathered into the formation of a flying wedge of self-destructive, crash-fated crazy.
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Show AllPhil's writing is so good it brings tears to my eyes! His excerpt from yeats brought to mind a favorite song from my college years, 'Old England' by the Waterboys:
"A man looks up on a yellow sky
and the rain turns to rust in his eye
rumours of his health are lies
old england is dying
his clothes are dirty shade of blue
and his ancient shoes worn through
he steals from me and he lies to you
old england is dying
still he sings an empires song
and still he keeps his Navy strong
and he sticks his flag where it ILL belongs
old england is dying
you're asking what makes me sigh now
what it is makes me shudder so
well
I just FREEZE in the wind
and I'm numb from the pummeling of the snow
that falls from high in yellow skies
where the well loved flag of england flies
Where the homes are warm and the mothers sigh
where comedians laugh and babies cry
where criminals are televised politicians fraternized
journalists are dignified and everyone is civilised
and children stare with heroin eyes, heroin eyes, heroin eyes
Old England!
evening has fallen
the swans are singing
the last of Sundays bells is ringing
the wind in the trees is sighing
and old england is dying"
A fitting dirge to a corrupt and fading empire. Saddest part of the story, in my opinion, is that the rich bastards in England were able to avoid their 'rendezvous with destiny' (i.e. the burning and sacking of London) by the unholy pact with the USA that allowed them to get off from their centuries of crime with only the comic indignity of playing 'Pancho' to the Yankee "Cisco Kid'.
Are the Amerikans likely to get off so lightly? I think not.
Preening amiability is such an apt phrase for Obama. It is stirring to read the truth. I have long felt and expressed my frustration with the futility of an anti war movement that feels it must first salute the troops even if with bring them home, that trite trick that still does, as Rockstroh so eloquently states, play into the enduring narrative of the national security state.
The activist left ended the war; self-serving liberals blew the peace. I lived through that anti war movement and a women's movement which was also weakened by the self serving liberals who were anointed its leaders by the corporate press. No one was ever moved to act by the careful pronunciations of committees devoted to finding what will appeal to the largest demographic.
Mr Rockstroh writes the poetic truth by which I mean deeper not fanciful truth.
I would add one more narrative that needs undoing; that is the endless continuing selling of the military as the way to become a man.
ARTEMIX: I agree completely, and this is why I teach the LOGOS... as it is a cosmic testament to the fact that humanity was never designed to suit the one size fits all deception. Currently, as Mars rules, war has been made into the unquestioned norm, and a society that falls so far as to make war its favored product, requires a ready fodder of warriors. This is why and how the Mars ruled state focuses on the glorification of the macho warrior... how else to seduce so many to not only their own deaths, but into complicity with the engineered deaths of so many others. Thousands upon thousands, as based upon recent "un-counts."
The knowledge that Christ chose 12 disciples and Abraham founded 12 tribes, can be likened to the Zodiac's poetic wisdom that the human design is based on 12 archetypal patterns, not ONE! A huge amount of conditioning, like the marines learning to dehumanize other, is required to turn normal people (mostly males) into killers. (Of course the same sick socialization must work on steroids to do likewise to women!)
In any case, astrology has always been a threat to the uniformity state as favored by the authoritarian controllers; that's because it speaks of OTHER models... options and alternatives to Mars rules! Several in this forum are so lost in their own paradigms, psychology-based, as to erroneously presume that it is HUMAN NATURE to blame for the redundancy of war. So married to the area of their training are they, that entertaining the reasons for that redundancy, and the role played by church, state, and culture's messaging arteries, are not within the permissable boundaries of their conversation. It's enough to them that human nature is evil, to blame, and therefore let it come quickly, that this plague of mankind be taken from this earth. (As I related a few days ago, I term this ilk the "Avenging Angels.")
When the other archetypes, like Venus for art & the appreciation of beauty, and Uranus, for radical invention, are brought back to the circle/table, slowly power wil be drawn away from Mars. It's the most dangerous principle on the dial... and in the name of Defense, it is MURDERING our world, ecosystem by ecosystem, and ethnic group by ethnic group. Do not let MARS speak for you! Do not give your consent to any alleged "this is what WE do" argument, for it is what Mars, and its most modern embodiment, the US MIC, does... that should be put into question.
And how about the satellite expected to fall to earth, while the state elects to kill an innocent man, and a hurricane hits Japan, and a quake just hit Nepal-north India, and here we sit... as the world implodes all around us. As Yogananda aptly put it, the dissolutions will begin lest mankind learn to put away violent arms, and instead join hands (in the circle of holism... beyond Mars rules.. where a higher peace can be found!)
Yogananda is a fatuous frauid and his followers a bunch of platitude spewing elitists.
Mars has nothing to do with capitalism, imperialism or militariam. Mars is just a planet.
Your emphasis on Mars is just another way of blaming men in general for everything.
Your understanding of life stops at the level of organized labor and how the poor have been purposely disenfranchised.
You repeatedly attack me, and expect me to be kind to you in return. Today I see you're backed up by the odious Morticia and Guitarist.
You know nothing about how higher spheres operate. My emphasis on Mars is a deconstruction of a dangerous archetype that men have been identified with, culturally programmed to identify with... and it is THIS understanding that just might take the war out of men, and the misplaced aggression out of ogres like you.
Satisfied now? I guess your day is not complete without making an attempt to provoke me into exposing what I think of you. And YOU in particular. I'd like to think your reasons for posting in this forum are sincere and legit, but having watched the pattern of attack over the course of more than 2 years, and now noting exactly which names organize on behalf of these repeated attacks, why would I grant you the slightest benefit of the doubt?
This is a particularly ugly thing to say, yet it's all too resonant with much that you do say in this forum:
"Yogananda is a fatuous frauid."
Are you drunk, by any chance, in showing an inability to spell the word fraud?
Do you honestly think a person who raves with the kind of unchecked anger you do is worthy of berating someone of Yogananda's stature? I mean have YOU been invited to lecture at the U.N. lately, you bloated ignoramus?
Maybe I'll check back later to see how Guitarist and/or Morticia chime in.
Your idea of elitism is apparently represented by anyone who possesses more intelligence than you, anyone published, or anyone who speaks in spiritually INCLUSIVE terms. No, Nazis are not included under that umbrella because their idea of freedom is shooting everyone else down. There is a place where law should stand to check-balance what bullies perceive as their right... to do harm. You fall into that camp, whether you think of yourself as a Marxist or otherwise.
Higher spheres, hmmmp, let me guess you think the planets and stars orbit the earth on concentric crystal spheres? You do know that is the origin of that image, don't you Ms. self proclaimed scholar?
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GUITARIST: Having gone through this style of attack, as engineered by you and your buddies in the past, do you really expect me to revisit the same bull-shit? I've made my beliefs clear in this forum, and quite a few people get it.
What I can say is that those who appreciate my posts, have not been scared off by the false castigations tossed at me by those who profess to love freedom while doing the virtual equivalent of attempting to burn me as a witch. The rigid authoritarian view screams out from some posters... who then PRETEND to hold views resonant with The Left. Meanwhile, they push a right wing nut job like Ron Paul at us... another MALE who thinks women deserve no rights in the form of self-determination over their own Bodies!
I find you so tiring... perhaps I should list ALL the names your little band makes use of? Or is the forum to accept that it's just a coincidence, that whenever Joe Hope attacks me, a group of sympathetic powers happens to be standing by to back up the big coward? IF anyone in this forum fits the PROFILE of the lone crazed white guy gun man who goes "Postal" on a crowd, it's this wing nut.
That you and Morticia side with him says a lot--you know, like the commercial about "the company you keep." So which is it: A Koch-funded think tank, The John Birch Society, Aryan Brotherhood, DOD, or a private organization funding you winners?
It's the mark of poor self-esteem to think YOU look better by trying to make someone else (in this case the author, Rockstroh) look small. If he had baked a blueberry pie, some of you clowns would demand strawberry; and if he'd done a pecan pie, those invested in decimating the writer's scathing and incisive vision, would complain that it lacked nuts.
To act as critics, to sit in the peanut gallery JUDGING others is a particularly ugly past time. Nor do I believe all of you are so gifted with free time, as to have nothing else to do. You are PAID assassins... and your bullets don't penetrate my armor. I see through you.. and will continue to call you on your covert loyalties, and the real reason you creeps place yourselves here. HINT: Your sympathies lie with the soldiers, not the dead...
In other words you have no answer to my question, telling IMO!
And sad that you diverted an interesting discussion on radical v.s. liberal approaches to social change to your chosen hobby horse of pretend "energies," and other hob goblins for frail minds.
Too true about the divsersion and the broken record.
sr you are a paranoid hysteric.
And you're comparing me to a mass murderer is typical femnist hyperbole and bigotry (demonizing those who disagree with your POV, in case your not familiar w/ the meaning of the word). Truly loathsome.
I really wish someone would pay me to blog, but it ain't happenin.
I'd have more sympathy for you if you were a witch.
"To act as critics, to sit in the peanut gallery JUDGING others is a particularly ugly past time. "
Again I ask you, what exactly are you doing other than pompously proclaiming the superiority of your spiritual knowledge, you bourgeoisie fraud.
And I attacked your views on Mars. That's very different from the kind of vile with which you responded. So you statred with the obscene insults, as usual. How spiritual of you siouxfraud. (did I spell that right)
You insulted me by calling me a eunuch. You feminists really enjoy spewing hatred. How about if I exploited female genital mutilation to insult you? That would be bad right? The feminist double standards just keep rolling out.
Whatever princess.
SR, I have to admit I wince when reasoned and thoughtful comments such as yours get attacked by foul opinionated oral flatulence such as "Yogananda is a fatuous frauid and his followers a bunch of platitude spewing elitists."
Joe offers absolutely no reason or rationale for his inflammatory derogatory spittle, and puts it forth as if his saying so makes it so. He would have others infer his 'opinion' is somehow more enlightened and informed, without actually having to enter into any real conversation or rationalization. Clearly, we have seen such rhetorical device many times. We have seen the tangential and often irrelevant conversation this all too often leads us into, usually to the effect of trying to prove them wrong even as they do little to nothing to prove themselves correct. And, we know this for what it is even as we become ensnared.
You may have heard the one about all the different parts of the body that fight over who would be the boss, only to have the whole body succumb to the asshole. I cannot help but deduce there is an actual program for unleashing such anuses, intentionally constipating the greater whole with nothing but crap. But anuses they are and forever shall be.
SR/cosmo , go do something useful like discover a vaccine if you think have the monopoly on thought, reason and love.
Morticia: You have a lot of growing up to do. I will refrain from comment. Any woman who is in her own power would not attack another women for telling the Truth. I feel sorry for you, but you may yet experience an awakening. Then you will be ashamed of how you've acted.
COSMO: Thank you for noticing. These attacks are designed to make it look like I either provoke them, enjoy them, or bring them on. They are an intellectual forum's equivalent of a gang bang. I have HUNDREDS of pages of previous attacks printed, and have sent a portion to my lawyer. This type of thing comes very close to the legal definition of slander...
Nonetheless, it is because many people in the forum see what's going on, or otherwise comment favorably on the content of my ideas, that I continue to make it a habit to contribute to this forum, while also learning from its more sincere, and honest posters.
The energy vampires have also gone off to attack persons who have stood in alliance with me in the past (during similar attacks). One of their group's members published the LIE that I have the power to get people banned, and went on to say that in fact I had done so, with some of their friends.
I can ASSURE you that had I the power ascribed to me-- the forum would be relieved of Joe Hope. He has, also gone on record, not asking, but DEMANDING that I be banned. How does that sound for an advocate of Progressive values? This guy thinks I should be shut up or shut down? And that qualifies as a legitimate position?
I don't expect everyone to like me or agree with my posts, and I am quite open to legitimate discourse and debate; these orchestrated attacks represent something altogether different. Someone is funding it; as I could also let the forum in on some of the private emails some of these clowns have sent to me. These are also being retained. One of them alerted to me to their starting up a rival Siouxrose website! As was the case during the Middle Ages, the authoritarians are VERY threatened by mystical viewpoints as these engage people's curiosity, broaden the spectrum of discourse, and suggest that the old ways, those supported by traditional elites, are NOT the only way that reality can be consensually experienced. Nor need the future repeat the carnage of the past.
The difference btw you and me is I don't call people names when they counter or argue with me.
It's called respect.
I suppose it was respect when you announced to the forum (as if you were in any position to know) that YOU had someone in YOUR bed (at night, presumably), while I did not.
I suppose it was also respect to leave that classic one liner recently (the one I am too busy with my OWN new book to dig up) that associated progress with the barrel of a gun. (An agent provocateur comment, if ever there was one.)
No, Morticia, you are not one who knows much about respect. You are a liar, and you don't play fair, and I will openly state that I dislike you. Two days ago you wrote that you were prepared to pass my posts by.
Since there are only 9 articles on CD today, it seems the hit squad has a chance to double up and collectively leave their taint on more posts. Strange work, sister, as befits those in uniform.
But that was not in response to a disagreement of topic , it was a response to a personal attack by you.
And nice to know you are still keeping files on posters here.
I am glad I am not the only one who finds the tracking of posters to be COINTELPRO spooky. When selling woo doesn't make her enough to buy rental properties and other bourgeois trinkets, I wonder if she is selling us out?
Fortunately she is so inept at even basic concepts of science that I seriously doubt she has anything but dot matrix printouts made on a 486 covered with elf stickers, so I doubt she has any real information on who posters here are.
In short, a legend in her own mind, where she is a 33rd degree sorceress. :)
Thank dog for that!
I only called for your banning when you displayed vile homophobia. Do I need to go find the quote again SR?
You called me a "closeted homosexul" as if that were a terrible thing.
You insulted me and another poster by claiming we recycle used toilet paper together.
You are a classic paranoid, never able to see how you do indeedd persecute others, in a particularly vile fashion.
If it makes you feel better, I'll withdraw my call for you to be banned. Your irrational hysteria is just too eneretaining to quash.
You run to your lawyer you cowardly little twit. You really are a police state feminist, and you accuse me of being an authoritarian.
Hahahaha
But you don't notice all the vitriol spewd by the feminits on this site, do you?
You a pompous hypocrite, princess.
Unfortunately I see very little feminism on this site. Siouxrose is one of a few and so am I. The fact is the world is in the shape it is in because it has been male dominated since about 4000 BC.
So it has been about war and conquest and dominating women and nature and constructing capitalism to institutionalize the domination of a small group of mostly white males. We are awash in a rape culture and this is not women's doing. We are losing our very life support due to the idiotic idea that man can conquer nature. Technological inventions like DDT, Agent Orange, terminator seeds, keeping an oil economy because the military runs on oil. These have been men's ideas and fantasies of dominance. Unfortunately women have often joined them as their bread and butter is structured to be connected to a relationship with men and there is no doubt women can be trained to be soldiers or greedy too. Yet is has been and remains a male dominated world and that is its downfall.
Its not biological men that are the problem it is the idiot idea that they should dominate and the whole vicious structure of violence they have built to support that domination. Some of us see it for what it is a case of DDD delusional dominance disorder. I think if Joe Hill were alive he would understand the connection between capitalism and male dominance and renounce it. You could too instead of trying to quash feminists.
Hero, I do not post a great deal on CD but I have been a nearly daily participant for many years, and do not accept any post or poster on the face of things.
I hope a second reading of my post in question, and noting the vitriolic (baseless and grossly errant) reply from guitarist, reveals how my 'blessing' was in appreciation for the goodness and common ground we value, and not an endorsement of cdresearcher. My post spoke specifically to the missing reality you mention, as well as stating that cdresearcher knew this. I went further to quote the author (in perhaps a too subtle attempt) to make the point that 'playing nice' as cdresearcher appeared to suggest, was contradictory to the author's premise and thus ultimate conclusion: "the times call for brave misfits, encouraged to embrace rejection by a dysfunctional society and primed to endure the inherent bumps and buffeting inflicted from a culture that has gathered into the formation of a flying wedge of self-destructive, crash-fated crazy."
A truism or valued principle is a truism or valued principle regardless of its source. And conversely, attacking personally (and errantly) my character or others does not invalidate us or the merits of our comments. The saying goes that the wise learn more from fools than fools learn from the wise. And rational intelligent informed human beings do not equate the pursuit of higher awareness, examined thought, and reasoned consciousness with elitism.
Thank you for the compliment, see you around, and please be assured plenty of us can see what is wrong, generally, and here on CD. The irony may well be in how the spiteful and boorish themselves are becoming more clearly evident. We might consider how Ghandi revealed the brutish occupation of India for what it was, and how the occupation of CD by such brutes and boors is likewise exposed.
+1 dreamjoehill. More Joe Hill, less astrology please!
Harry Truman had the nickname "Give'em hell Harry". When asked by a reporter how he got the nickname he said, "I just tell it like it is and they think it's hell" I to have felt the stinging rebuke of SR. It hurt my feelings so bad I cried myself to sleep, blubbering into my pillow oh God why me, why now?
Don't let SR get under your skin, she's just like a crazy old cat lady hoarder. :)
She's one long ongoing cliche. She contributes nothing to mass organizing and has annointed herself princess of the Left.
She and her hypocritical supporters never seem to notice the vile and hatred that she spews regularly at anyone who dares to disagree with her pseudo-spiritual nonsense.
The feminits and the new agers are a bunch of thin skinned hypocrites, spouting peace love and equality until someone calls them on the weakness of their arguments. Then the claws and the teeth show through to belie their ever so holy pose.
You got that right, the New Agers "Wiccan" European "spirituality," is nothing but a mirror reflection of the hierarchical structures seen in Catholic Church and corporate boardroom. A priestess looking for accolades, who treats actual working people with disdain and derision, interests me no more than a CEO or cop!
beautifully written and most of all, Inspirational. A call for action. Off your couches and keyboards and into the world head on with fury and love.
Its not liberal timidity. Liberals are the brave who dare to stand in front of tanks and be persecuted for fighting the power. (See Jesus, Gandhi, Corrie, Fonda, etc.). But liberals have bought into the oligarchy parasites' long running "guns are bad" propaganda and have disarmed themselves, contrary to what our forefathers warned us about:
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"
-- George Washington
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
-- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."
-- Mahatma Gandhi
On the other hand, cowardly conservatives have armed themselves to the gills and having all the guns gives them all the power.
(from "Conservatives Deconstructed"
The authors acknowledge what has long been assumed by sociologists, economists, and political scientists: people adopt conservative beliefs to serve their own self interests. They agree that this helps explain the conservatism of "upper-class elites." However, the authors hold that the personal need to "reduce fear, anxiety, dissonance, uncertainty or instability" better explains why a vastly greater number of people who are not part of the elite, and particularly those who are disadvantaged or from low-status groups, "might embrace right-wing ideologies."
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Society/Conservatives_Deconstruct.html
The liberal majority needs to arm itself to take back the power from reactionary conservatives, not as an act of cowardice, but of self-defense..
"- Are you seriously suggesting that "power" (ie, control of society) comes from owning a few handguns & rifles? That's a laughable concept of what constitutes "power." And no, liberals don't "need to arm themselves." How ridiculous! What do you imagine these ferocious heat-packing liberals would then do, with their little pop-guns? Go attack a local Marine recruiting station, or a bank? Lots of luck."
An oligarchy lie to make us give up, whining and groveling at their feet
The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.
-- A.E. Van Vogt, "The Weapon Shops Of Isher", ASF December 1942
Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon -- so long as there is no answer to it -- gives claws to the weak.
-- George Orwell, "You and the Atom Bomb", 1945
Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms. [...] the right of the citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government and one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.
-- Hubert H. Humphrey, 1960
No matter how one approaches the figures, one is forced to the rather startling conclusion that the use of firearms in crime was very much less when there were no controls of any sort and when anyone, convicted criminal or lunatic, could buy any type of firearm without restriction. Half a century of strict controls on pistols has ended, perversely, with a far greater use of this weapon in crime than ever before.
-- Colin Greenwood, in the study "Firearms Control", 1972
Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws."
-- Edward Abbey, "Abbey's Road", 1979
If you're young and not liberal, you have no heart. If you're old and not a leftist, you have no guts.
Or as I tell my boys: life has radicalized me.
Another great one, Rockstroh. I always look forward to reading your thoughts.
it is tempting to look at the "successes" of civil rights or viet nam era activism in bringing about an end to the outrageousness of our vast crimes against humanity. in truth, so-called success was but a brief respite. we are plunging headlong into the abyss with ever greater velocity, and in large part because it takes a lifelong commitment to realize change on a larger scale.
in fact, the kind of change that would really amount to something substantial probably won't take place in our lifetimes. but that in itself, is no reason to be unengaged. instead, our struggle is carried on in all the subtle ways of day to day existance - in addition to some in-your-face confrontations with the worse offenses.
Phil, Accurately and painfully explains the depth of truth necessary to shed the hypocrisy that defines the intellectual and cognizant American population.
Today's gelded liberals bear little resemblance to the muscular liberals of times gone by. I remember Harry Truman, who gave the Republicans hell. He wasn't worried what the media thought of him. He just crushed his conservative opposition. There were many Democrats in Congress like him, and they were not afraid to shoot their mouths off--loudly. Lyndon Johnson's war ruined the Democratic Party. It gave us George McGovern, who dragged the party down the drain. It didn't help that the baby boomers who later took over the party imposed their touchy-feely philosophy (everyone gets a trophy) that is easy to caricature. It's time that liberals showed their gonads.
Oh spare us this nonsense about Truman supposedly being a 'muscular liberal', Cangrande. He was a reactionary thug and ushered in the Cold War and McCarthy Era witch hunt with the authorization of his genocidal atomic bombs being dropped. If this is the 'dream' world you have for the Democratic Party to return to then count us out!
Not to mention that Truman was a strike buster.
Truman also unilaterally formed a couple unconstitutional agencies, the CIA & NSA. He didn't even ask for Congressional approval.
All these passive 'self-gelded' liberals come about through us Leftists allowing ourselves to be mainly led for 3 whole long decades in the antiwar movement by religious pacifists, whose model for demonstrations and vigils was built on Buddhist prayer candles, Quakers' meeting halls, Catholic nuns' prayers, and calling for 'voting' for the Democratic Party hacks as their principle 'strategy'. The student youth abandoned the socialist Left and went running after business degrees and Ayn Rand Thought instead during those decades, while the few moronic Left of the pacifists ' proletarian leaders' sat around contemplating their own umbilicuses mainly. No wonder we're all in such sad shape now! The leadership of the past Left left today's youth with nothing.
PINCH: You seem to be equating a loss of vigor in a movement, with an absence of violence; and I find such a stance questionable. Just as yesterday, someone had the NERVE to suggest that Gandhi would have opted for violent weapons if he lived in our times. This was a complete inversion of everything that Gandhi taught and advocated, about as honest as alleged Christians believing they are now called to a holy war against the children of Islam.
It's more than a full time job to keep up with all the lies passed off as opinions, added to inverted messages embedded throughout these threads. Luckily, I am not the only one to call out those with covert agendas, and/or the agent provocateurs in our midst.
Just as The Homeland Security state (or some nefarious branch of government) sends some members out into communities to lure bored, angry kids into pseudo-terrorist acts, I would not be surprised if those playing the role of Watchers in these threads, do not feel the need to justify their paychecks, by at least attempting to incite a little violence, where possible.
No, Siouxrose, I do not equate 'violence' with vigor, but actually find it to usually be the exact opposite of that. Violence against the State by small groups of people usually achieves just violence against those very same people themselves and not much else. Perhaps some bad publicity, too....
If you will notice, too, BOTH the religious pacifists and the kids that you worry about as being police agents luring others.... YES they BOTH advocate actions involving getting rather intentionally arrested as their mistaken political strategies. Civil disobedience is usually the wrong method of struggle and just gives people police records, and eats up Movement resources in having to legally defend those arrested in the courts. I really don't think that a Catholic nun crossing the property onto a military base is that much more greater in moral wisdom than a kid who throws a rock at a Walmart or McDonalds. At least the kid is not in the same church as the Nazi Pope is.
What's your alternative passively letting the empire steamroll us with no resistance? Hint, nicey half day candle light vigils have even LESS impact than CD or rock throwing!
I do agree that not getting caught is good though. :)
Nothing I wrote should have made you think that I see candle light vigils as being some sort of super action. They are not. However at least, unlike with planned cd arrests by small groups of people, nobody later ends up usually with a criminal record and a need to spend thousands trying to stay out of jail to prevent that from happening, Guitarist. This sort of self jailing really is a form of lunacy in my opinion, and not much of a real political response to the reactionaries that run this country.
Only if the assumption is you meekly turn yourself in and allow yourself to get caught. Why do you think the Wall St. protestors are wearing masks?
Well stated. The pacifist (and feminist) definition of violence is so expansive as to call a rudely shouted comment "violence."
The sitdown strikers of the 30's achieved a great deal without widespread violence, but if the police or company goons had tried to take over the occupied factories, those workers wre ready to fight back.
The people of the US are nev going to be motivated to revolution by pacifists singing Kumbaya. If we are ever to get the peole on our side, we will have to show some figting spirit, not based in violence, but not afraid to use force in self defense.
If a group of workers we to burn down a bank, is that "unacceptable" violence? Alot of the pacifist left would say so, and they are dead wrong on that count.
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"If we are ever to get the peole on our side, we will have to show some figting spirit, not based in violence, but not afraid to use force in self defense."
Now that's an interesting if not somewhat controversial point. Does a serious resistance movement attempt to duplicate the almost religious discipline of "no" violence at all, even as a solely retaliatory action in the commission of self-defense, which was espoused by the likes of Ghandi & King (with "some" success)? Or, can this idea of "nonviolence" be tweaked to allow for some level of force being used as a purely defensive retaliatory technique?
I think it is a useful area of debate. There are pro's and con's to the prospect of "tweaking" the nonviolent approach. For one, it would take extensive training and exceptional discipline and self-control to employ the "tweaked" method in a controlled way that would preserve its perceived advantages. Certainly, using any force as a regularly sanctioned form of mass resistance, even if intended for strictly "defensive" maneuvers, is eminently susceptible to the "slippery slope" theory, and if a devolution did indeed occur into more proactively violent strategies it could spell doom for the movement.
Dreamjoe, what would you say could be the positives to employing a so-called "tweaked" strategy.
I think that such a tweaked approach has shown its effectiveness in the past. Just think about all those burned ROTC buildings in the 60's and 70's.
Ken Kesey's last novel featured the backatcha bandit who dumped toxic waste and the like back on the polluters themselves. That's an idea some might consider violent.
The fear of violence can effect the corporadoes as in, "We can't publicly support this bill. If we do those crazies will be tearing up our locations everywhere.
Direct organized group miltancy, like fighting the police when they try to eject occupiers at a sit in is useful only if you can win. It doesn't help to just get everybody beat up. Of course in order to win in this situation, you have to have prepared a militant self defense.
My experience is that cops are actually quite afraid of large, angry militant crowds, unless there are 100's of police in formation.
It is a tricky question but the answer is not a 100% disavowal of violence.
It's possible to un-arrest people without using violence as well. :)