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9/11 and the Imperial Mentality
Looking Back on 9/11 a Decade Later
We are approaching the 10th anniversary of the horrendous atrocities of September 11, 2001, which, it is commonly held, changed the world. On May 1st, the presumed mastermind of the crime, Osama bin Laden, was assassinated in Pakistan by a team of elite US commandos, Navy SEALs, after he was captured, unarmed and undefended, in Operation Geronimo.
A number of analysts have observed that although bin Laden was finally killed, he won some major successes in his war against the U.S. "He repeatedly asserted that the only way to drive the U.S. from the Muslim world and defeat its satraps was by drawing Americans into a series of small but expensive wars that would ultimately bankrupt them," Eric Margolis writes. "'Bleeding the U.S.,' in his words." The United States, first under George W. Bush and then Barack Obama, rushed right into bin Laden’s trap... Grotesquely overblown military outlays and debt addiction... may be the most pernicious legacy of the man who thought he could defeat the United States” -- particularly when the debt is being cynically exploited by the far right, with the collusion of the Democrat establishment, to undermine what remains of social programs, public education, unions, and, in general, remaining barriers to corporate tyranny.
That Washington was bent on fulfilling bin Laden’s fervent wishes was evident at once. As discussed in my book 9-11, written shortly after those attacks occurred, anyone with knowledge of the region could recognize “that a massive assault on a Muslim population would be the answer to the prayers of bin Laden and his associates, and would lead the U.S. and its allies into a ‘diabolical trap,’ as the French foreign minister put it.”
The senior CIA analyst responsible for tracking Osama bin Laden from 1996, Michael Scheuer, wrote shortly after that “bin Laden has been precise in telling America the reasons he is waging war on us. [He] is out to drastically alter U.S. and Western policies toward the Islamic world,” and largely succeeded: “U.S. forces and policies are completing the radicalization of the Islamic world, something Osama bin Laden has been trying to do with substantial but incomplete success since the early 1990s. As a result, I think it is fair to conclude that the United States of America remains bin Laden’s only indispensable ally.” And arguably remains so, even after his death.
The First 9/11
Was there an alternative? There is every likelihood that the Jihadi movement, much of it highly critical of bin Laden, could have been split and undermined after 9/11. The “crime against humanity,” as it was rightly called, could have been approached as a crime, with an international operation to apprehend the likely suspects. That was recognized at the time, but no such idea was even considered.
In 9-11, I quoted Robert Fisk’s conclusion that the “horrendous crime” of 9/11 was committed with “wickedness and awesome cruelty,” an accurate judgment. It is useful to bear in mind that the crimes could have been even worse. Suppose, for example, that the attack had gone as far as bombing the White House, killing the president, imposing a brutal military dictatorship that killed thousands and tortured tens of thousands while establishing an international terror center that helped impose similar torture-and-terror states elsewhere and carried out an international assassination campaign; and as an extra fillip, brought in a team of economists -- call them “the Kandahar boys” -- who quickly drove the economy into one of the worst depressions in its history. That, plainly, would have been a lot worse than 9/11.
Unfortunately, it is not a thought experiment. It happened. The only inaccuracy in this brief account is that the numbers should be multiplied by 25 to yield per capita equivalents, the appropriate measure. I am, of course, referring to what in Latin America is often called “the first 9/11”: September 11, 1973, when the U.S. succeeded in its intensive efforts to overthrow the democratic government of Salvador Allende in Chile with a military coup that placed General Pinochet’s brutal regime in office. The goal, in the words of the Nixon administration, was to kill the “virus” that might encourage all those “foreigners [who] are out to screw us” to take over their own resources and in other ways to pursue an intolerable policy of independent development. In the background was the conclusion of the National Security Council that, if the US could not control Latin America, it could not expect “to achieve a successful order elsewhere in the world.”
The first 9/11, unlike the second, did not change the world. It was “nothing of very great consequence,” as Henry Kissinger assured his boss a few days later.
These events of little consequence were not limited to the military coup that destroyed Chilean democracy and set in motion the horror story that followed. The first 9/11 was just one act in a drama which began in 1962, when John F. Kennedy shifted the mission of the Latin American military from “hemispheric defense” -- an anachronistic holdover from World War II -- to “internal security,” a concept with a chilling interpretation in U.S.-dominated Latin American circles.
In the recently published Cambridge University History of the Cold War, Latin American scholar John Coatsworth writes that from that time to “the Soviet collapse in 1990, the numbers of political prisoners, torture victims, and executions of non-violent political dissenters in Latin America vastly exceeded those in the Soviet Union and its East European satellites,” including many religious martyrs and mass slaughter as well, always supported or initiated in Washington. The last major violent act was the brutal murder of six leading Latin American intellectuals, Jesuit priests, a few days after the Berlin Wall fell. The perpetrators were an elite Salvadorean battalion, which had already left a shocking trail of blood, fresh from renewed training at the JFK School of Special Warfare, acting on direct orders of the high command of the U.S. client state.
The consequences of this hemispheric plague still, of course, reverberate.
From Kidnapping and Torture to Assassination
All of this, and much more like it, is dismissed as of little consequence, and forgotten. Those whose mission is to rule the world enjoy a more comforting picture, articulated well enough in the current issue of the prestigious (and valuable) journal of the Royal Institute of International Affairs in London. The lead article discusses “the visionary international order” of the “second half of the twentieth century” marked by “the universalization of an American vision of commercial prosperity.” There is something to that account, but it does not quite convey the perception of those at the wrong end of the guns.
The same is true of the assassination of Osama bin Laden, which brings to an end at least a phase in the “war on terror” re-declared by President George W. Bush on the second 9/11. Let us turn to a few thoughts on that event and its significance.
On May 1, 2011, Osama bin Laden was killed in his virtually unprotected compound by a raiding mission of 79 Navy SEALs, who entered Pakistan by helicopter. After many lurid stories were provided by the government and withdrawn, official reports made it increasingly clear that the operation was a planned assassination, multiply violating elementary norms of international law, beginning with the invasion itself.
There appears to have been no attempt to apprehend the unarmed victim, as presumably could have been done by 79 commandos facing no opposition -- except, they report, from his wife, also unarmed, whom they shot in self-defense when she “lunged” at them, according to the White House.
A plausible reconstruction of the events is provided by veteran Middle East correspondent Yochi Dreazen and colleagues in the Atlantic. Dreazen, formerly the military correspondent for the Wall Street Journal, is senior correspondent for the National Journal Group covering military affairs and national security. According to their investigation, White House planning appears not to have considered the option of capturing bin Laden alive: “The administration had made clear to the military's clandestine Joint Special Operations Command that it wanted bin Laden dead, according to a senior U.S. official with knowledge of the discussions. A high-ranking military officer briefed on the assault said the SEALs knew their mission was not to take him alive.”
The authors add: “For many at the Pentagon and the Central Intelligence Agency who had spent nearly a decade hunting bin Laden, killing the militant was a necessary and justified act of vengeance.” Furthermore, “capturing bin Laden alive would have also presented the administration with an array of nettlesome legal and political challenges.” Better, then, to assassinate him, dumping his body into the sea without the autopsy considered essential after a killing -- an act that predictably provoked both anger and skepticism in much of the Muslim world.
As the Atlantic inquiry observes, “The decision to kill bin Laden outright was the clearest illustration to date of a little-noticed aspect of the Obama administration's counterterror policy. The Bush administration captured thousands of suspected militants and sent them to detention camps in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Guantanamo Bay. The Obama administration, by contrast, has focused on eliminating individual terrorists rather than attempting to take them alive.” That is one significant difference between Bush and Obama. The authors quote former West German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt, who “told German TV that the U.S. raid was ‘quite clearly a violation of international law’ and that bin Laden should have been detained and put on trial,” contrasting Schmidt with U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, who “defended the decision to kill bin Laden although he didn't pose an immediate threat to the Navy SEALs, telling a House panel... that the assault had been ‘lawful, legitimate and appropriate in every way.’"
The disposal of the body without autopsy was also criticized by allies. The highly regarded British barrister Geoffrey Robertson, who supported the intervention and opposed the execution largely on pragmatic grounds, nevertheless described Obama’s claim that “justice was done” as an “absurdity” that should have been obvious to a former professor of constitutional law. Pakistan law “requires a colonial inquest on violent death, and international human rights law insists that the ‘right to life’ mandates an inquiry whenever violent death occurs from government or police action. The U.S. is therefore under a duty to hold an inquiry that will satisfy the world as to the true circumstances of this killing.”
Robertson usefully reminds us that “[i]t was not always thus. When the time came to consider the fate of men much more steeped in wickedness than Osama bin Laden -- the Nazi leadership -- the British government wanted them hanged within six hours of capture. President Truman demurred, citing the conclusion of Justice Robert Jackson that summary execution ‘would not sit easily on the American conscience or be remembered by our children with pride... the only course is to determine the innocence or guilt of the accused after a hearing as dispassionate as the times will permit and upon a record that will leave our reasons and motives clear.’”
Eric Margolis comments that “Washington has never made public the evidence of its claim that Osama bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks,” presumably one reason why “polls show that fully a third of American respondents believe that the U.S. government and/or Israel were behind 9/11,” while in the Muslim world skepticism is much higher. “An open trial in the U.S. or at the Hague would have exposed these claims to the light of day,” he continues, a practical reason why Washington should have followed the law.
In societies that profess some respect for law, suspects are apprehended and brought to fair trial. I stress “suspects.” In June 2002, FBI head Robert Mueller, in what the Washington Post described as “among his most detailed public comments on the origins of the attacks,” could say only that “investigators believe the idea of the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon came from al Qaeda leaders in Afghanistan, the actual plotting was done in Germany, and the financing came through the United Arab Emirates from sources in Afghanistan.”
What the FBI believed and thought in June 2002 they didn’t know eight months earlier, when Washington dismissed tentative offers by the Taliban (how serious, we do not know) to permit a trial of bin Laden if they were presented with evidence. Thus, it is not true, as President Obama claimed in his White House statement after bin Laden’s death, that “[w]e quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al-Qaeda.”
There has never been any reason to doubt what the FBI believed in mid-2002, but that leaves us far from the proof of guilt required in civilized societies -- and whatever the evidence might be, it does not warrant murdering a suspect who could, it seems, have been easily apprehended and brought to trial. Much the same is true of evidence provided since. Thus, the 9/11 Commission provided extensive circumstantial evidence of bin Laden’s role in 9/11, based primarily on what it had been told about confessions by prisoners in Guantanamo. It is doubtful that much of that would hold up in an independent court, considering the ways confessions were elicited. But in any event, the conclusions of a congressionally authorized investigation, however convincing one finds them, plainly fall short of a sentence by a credible court, which is what shifts the category of the accused from suspect to convicted.
There is much talk of bin Laden's “confession,” but that was a boast, not a confession, with as much credibility as my “confession” that I won the Boston marathon. The boast tells us a lot about his character, but nothing about his responsibility for what he regarded as a great achievement, for which he wanted to take credit.
Again, all of this is, transparently, quite independent of one’s judgments about his responsibility, which seemed clear immediately, even before the FBI inquiry, and still does.
Crimes of Aggression
It is worth adding that bin Laden’s responsibility was recognized in much of the Muslim world, and condemned. One significant example is the distinguished Lebanese cleric Sheikh Fadlallah, greatly respected by Hizbollah and Shia groups generally, outside Lebanon as well. He had some experience with assassinations. He had been targeted for assassination: by a truck bomb outside a mosque, in a CIA-organized operation in 1985. He escaped, but 80 others were killed, mostly women and girls as they left the mosque -- one of those innumerable crimes that do not enter the annals of terror because of the fallacy of “wrong agency.” Sheikh Fadlallah sharply condemned the 9/11 attacks.
One of the leading specialists on the Jihadi movement, Fawaz Gerges, suggests that the movement might have been split at that time had the U.S. exploited the opportunity instead of mobilizing the movement, particularly by the attack on Iraq, a great boon to bin Laden, which led to a sharp increase in terror, as intelligence agencies had anticipated. At the Chilcot hearings investigating the background to the invasion of Iraq, for example, the former head of Britain’s domestic intelligence agency MI5 testified that both British and U.S. intelligence were aware that Saddam posed no serious threat, that the invasion was likely to increase terror, and that the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan had radicalized parts of a generation of Muslims who saw the military actions as an “attack on Islam.” As is often the case, security was not a high priority for state action.
It might be instructive to ask ourselves how we would be reacting if Iraqi commandos had landed at George W. Bush's compound, assassinated him, and dumped his body in the Atlantic (after proper burial rites, of course). Uncontroversially, he was not a “suspect” but the “decider” who gave the orders to invade Iraq -- that is, to commit the “supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole” for which Nazi criminals were hanged: the hundreds of thousands of deaths, millions of refugees, destruction of much of the country and its national heritage, and the murderous sectarian conflict that has now spread to the rest of the region. Equally uncontroversially, these crimes vastly exceed anything attributed to bin Laden.
To say that all of this is uncontroversial, as it is, is not to imply that it is not denied. The existence of flat earthers does not change the fact that, uncontroversially, the earth is not flat. Similarly, it is uncontroversial that Stalin and Hitler were responsible for horrendous crimes, though loyalists deny it. All of this should, again, be too obvious for comment, and would be, except in an atmosphere of hysteria so extreme that it blocks rational thought.
Similarly, it is uncontroversial that Bush and associates did commit the “supreme international crime” -- the crime of aggression. That crime was defined clearly enough by Justice Robert Jackson, Chief of Counsel for the United States at Nuremberg. An “aggressor,” Jackson proposed to the Tribunal in his opening statement, is a state that is the first to commit such actions as “[i]nvasion of its armed forces, with or without a declaration of war, of the territory of another State ….” No one, even the most extreme supporter of the aggression, denies that Bush and associates did just that.
We might also do well to recall Jackson’s eloquent words at Nuremberg on the principle of universality: “If certain acts in violation of treaties are crimes, they are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us.”
It is also clear that announced intentions are irrelevant, even if they are truly believed. Internal records reveal that Japanese fascists apparently did believe that, by ravaging China, they were laboring to turn it into an “earthly paradise.” And although it may be difficult to imagine, it is conceivable that Bush and company believed they were protecting the world from destruction by Saddam’s nuclear weapons. All irrelevant, though ardent loyalists on all sides may try to convince themselves otherwise.
We are left with two choices: either Bush and associates are guilty of the “supreme international crime” including all the evils that follow, or else we declare that the Nuremberg proceedings were a farce and the allies were guilty of judicial murder.
The Imperial Mentality and 9/11
A few days before the bin Laden assassination, Orlando Bosch died peacefully in Florida, where he resided along with his accomplice Luis Posada Carriles and many other associates in international terrorism. After he was accused of dozens of terrorist crimes by the FBI, Bosch was granted a presidential pardon by Bush I over the objections of the Justice Department, which found the conclusion “inescapable that it would be prejudicial to the public interest for the United States to provide a safe haven for Bosch.” The coincidence of these deaths at once calls to mind the Bush II doctrine -- “already… a de facto rule of international relations,” according to the noted Harvard international relations specialist Graham Allison -- which revokes “the sovereignty of states that provide sanctuary to terrorists.”
Allison refers to the pronouncement of Bush II, directed at the Taliban, that “those who harbor terrorists are as guilty as the terrorists themselves.” Such states, therefore, have lost their sovereignty and are fit targets for bombing and terror -- for example, the state that harbored Bosch and his associate. When Bush issued this new “de facto rule of international relations,” no one seemed to notice that he was calling for invasion and destruction of the U.S. and the murder of its criminal presidents.
None of this is problematic, of course, if we reject Justice Jackson’s principle of universality, and adopt instead the principle that the U.S. is self-immunized against international law and conventions -- as, in fact, the government has frequently made very clear.
It is also worth thinking about the name given to the bin Laden operation: Operation Geronimo. The imperial mentality is so profound that few seem able to perceive that the White House is glorifying bin Laden by calling him “Geronimo” -- the Apache Indian chief who led the courageous resistance to the invaders of Apache lands.
The casual choice of the name is reminiscent of the ease with which we name our murder weapons after victims of our crimes: Apache, Blackhawk… We might react differently if the Luftwaffe had called its fighter planes “Jew” and “Gypsy.”
The examples mentioned would fall under the category of “American exceptionalism,” were it not for the fact that easy suppression of one’s own crimes is virtually ubiquitous among powerful states, at least those that are not defeated and forced to acknowledge reality.
Perhaps the assassination was perceived by the administration as an “act of vengeance,” as Robertson concludes. And perhaps the rejection of the legal option of a trial reflects a difference between the moral culture of 1945 and today, as he suggests. Whatever the motive was, it could hardly have been security. As in the case of the “supreme international crime” in Iraq, the bin Laden assassination is another illustration of the important fact that security is often not a high priority for state action, contrary to received doctrine.




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Show AllFrankly, I don't always like or agree with the eminent Prof. but he's nailed this one. I was beaten up by many of my own friends when I compared Bin Laden to ironically Geronimo and other native American warriors like Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull. I hated what Bin Laden did, but in time, I came to understand his motives. Like the above mentioned he was in his own mind defending his tribe and his belief systems. His methods had a lot to be desired, but in WAR, particularly asymmetrical conflicts like the one he was waging such acts are not unknown. The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was by our definition of a terror attack today just that. Our Atomic attacks were also by any definition of terrorism the same. In the end as we all know the real Law of the Int'l jungle is that the victors in the short or long get to write the history. As proof of this read the Roman / Jewish historian Josephus accounts of the Roman war in ancient Judea. Our historians accounts of our own conquest of this continent are the same. We took this place by force of arms and then forcibly converted the losers children. Bin was reacting to our dark side and as such he displayed their dark side, such is humanity. I'm dreading this week. Noam is right, Bin Laden won, if you take into account his stated goals for those attacks. The real crime against us is what happened after the attacks. The cynical use of the victims of that day by our own political, military and business leadership is disgusting and it hasn't ended,yet. I'm dreading this weeks self congratulatory speeches and memorials for an event that has come to represent for many of us, the end of what was left of our Republic.
seaglass,you have had 10yrs to look at what our corrupt,lying gov.&its controlled press and t v had to say about what happened that day and the mountain of evidence presented by exsperts in every field concerning what happened that day,plus testimony,of police,firemen,worldtrade workers that totally refute what the gov. says&still you spew out the nonsense that a sick man in a cave did 911/unbelievable man,please spend some time really looking at all the evidence!!! ho ka hey/it is a good time to live
TO ALL WHO RESPOND TO THE 9/11 LIARS: I am proposing a new strategy for dealing with the provocateurs that show up here and dislocate the topic or introduce LIES: Everyone who would like to respond to PJD 412, Phoniest, Greg R etc. let us form a coalition that responds this way- We organize a common list of Scientific Presentation Websites about the The Mass Murder On September 11,2001 and Each And Every Time these "persons" or any other 9/11 Liars attempt to dislocate the discussion we email 5 NEW persons with the links, articles, and videos of The Truth About The Crime. They are engaging us to engage our energy, our spirit, and our resources. They do this because it is Effective; let us form an effective counter attack- They are the 9/11 Liars, let us commit ourselves to Exposing The Truth About The Mass Murder On September 11,2001; I call on all people who value the truth to engage in this tactic. We will form our communication as an entreaty to the people we share this with to JOIN us in fighting back, to regaining our country, to honoring Truth. When I posted this same idea last night all the comments were duplicated and doubled down and then all of my posts calling for a new strategy were deleted by this morning. Did any of you see them? The thread is manipulated to assist the PSY-OPS with or without the CD staff assistance
Secundus, Gerald, Sioux Rose, Conscience, GwNorth, and any others who post here regularly, and engage with the 9/11 Liars: your posts are sincere and eloquent and the truth- these "persons" are not interested in sincereness, eloquence, or the truth. Please Join Me In forming a coalition of people, against the machines and provocateurs. Let us disengage from the 'regular' liars- they are not here as honest people- they are here to disrupt the efforts of honest people. We need to form effective strategy to discourage their tactics- let them learn that for every disruptive post we will email hundreds of people spreading the truth, let them learn that when they ring the bell we respond with a counterattack; let them learn, just like Pavlov's dog, the meaning of the ringing bell. This is my suggestion on removing the impetus for their presence- their impetus is well formed because they have learned it is effective to dislocate and engage us here - so that we do not fight back against them where it is most effective: elsewhere. We must bring light to the darkness.
Post Scarcity Anarchist- AKA- A passionate Lover Of The Truth
To Post Scarcity Anarchist.. don't freak out, you're not under attack, it's just a timer mechanism at this website that doesn't care that you've put significant effort, thought and great ideas, which we see you are doing. It chokes after a period of time that has been exceeded when you put your answer up to be activated.
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And this topic was hot with hundreds of posters writing furiously, just as you were. You're ok, it's just the machine's programming, not the invasion of the 9/11 killers, yet, though if we don't watch these big government types with their surveillance mentalities and control laws, they will squash what freedoms we have left.
For your pleasure, I would offer this video that we have been circulating from brasschecktv. . . .
www.brasschecktv.com/page/4960.html
Excellent for your work as well.
Indeed beware of the U.S. of 911 10th ultra nationalistic drama as a prelude to an attack on Syria. Oil Bomber would like nothing better than to be overseeing a large active war coming into the 2012 election.
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I was alive at the time and paying attention to everything and distinctly remember that the US received a video by bin Laden about 4 weeks before the attack warning us and than he sent another video about 2 weeks after stating that they did this, "because of the suppression of the Palestinian People." Does anyone else remember this or are we all braindead?
Yes and yes. Apparently, the friends of Common Dreams have a common problem: Selective Memory.
Chomsky appears to be an effective propaganda organ for the America haters of the world. So the difference between Obama and the other guy was what?
Chomsky's bottom line is the same as that of George Washington and Ron Paul: Mind our own business and stay home.
Ron Paul would have strangled jihadists and their supporters BY STAYING HOME AND MINDING OUR BUSINESS:
And we would have ended jihad and WON without losing another blessed soul. Look at this...
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The way to WIN. DECIDE TO BE PATRIOTS and CUT your own gas and OIL consumption down to U.S. production limits, effectively cutting off the ENTHUSIASM for harboring ISLAMIC terrorists and drying up FUNDING for jihadists. AND the target is NOT THAT DIFFICULT FOR A PATRIOT.
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1 gal per day per person would be the LIMIT of what fuel we would use, ultimately.
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At that level, we would completely cut out our purchases of oil from our MiddleEastern trade sources. As we approached that goal, step by step, we could cut fuel coming from those sources most harboring or supplying terrorists. Strangling jihad in its tracks.
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Want to win? We'd have put an end to excessive waste, lived more sustainably, avoided the crashes, saved our troops to bail out flood victims, earthquake survivors and hurricane victims. Plus had money to spend -- while we still had it -- on realigning our economy and culture's directions.
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It may seem that we've lost that chance but with unemployment high, and multigenerational family life re-emerging, we could still do a lot to get that goal of
1 gal per day per person implemented and improve humanity's as well as our own personal chances of riding out the economic stresses that are on the Web of Debt horizon that was the terrorists' trap.
At least four times immediately atfer the event, bin Laden denied any involvement or responsibility. These were authentic interviews, whereas any audio or video after those were suspect as bogus, since he most likely died in December 2001 of medical complications. The subsequent tapes show an actor who doesn't even look the same as the gaunt dying man of early December, and this later content and style has been determined by experts to be non-OBL-like in nature. The government certainly must think we are braindead as they don't even bother trying to prove their case plausibly. Fat bin Ladens, bin Ladens dumped in the sea without any pictures.... anyone who buys it is surely braindead.
Sorry, Noam but I take issue with your depiction of the source of our Latin American misadventures as emanating from the policies of JFK. Kennedy was murdered by the US.govt precisely because he resisted the use of military force. After JFK, came the deluge. The war machine has been in full mode since Vietnam. You, Noam, somehow overlook the murder of JFK and the susequent cover-up, and the second coup of 911. You never admit that 911 was an inside job or even question the preposterous explanations offered by our corrupt govt.. We must conclude Noam, that you are indeed a gatekeeper. Whom are you trying to protect from exposure?
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Its not just that Chomsky effectively endorses the Official US Gov't Sanctioned '9-11 Conspiracy Theory' & the Official US Gov't Sanctioned Myth of a JFK 'Lone-Gunman'... Its that he says 'Even if it is true [relative to 9-11 being a False Flag Black Op] WHO CARES?! It doesn't mean anything. There are more important things to think about...' And about JFK's assassination 'People get killed all of the time - so why not JFK, It doesn't mean anything. There are more important things to think about...'
Chomsky is too smart & too well informed about national & international politics & geo-politics & history- HE KNOWS BETTER THAN THIS! So for him to make such dismissive, derisive & dis-ingenious statements about 2 of the most significant events relative national & international political & geo-political policy in the past 50yrs - THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT!
Based on those statements- Its hard for me to consider anything Chomsky has to say when it comes to 9-11, Al-Qeada, bin Laden, etc...
PS: Food for thought for Chomsky devotees who are also Ron Paul bashers- Chomsky's 9-11 US Imperialism 'Blow-Back' position is basically identical to Paul's position on 9-11.
The U.S. acted like a gangster group. The Sicilian Mafia, or the Chinese dongs, or the Crips or the Bloods--these are the kind of organizations that send out hit teams to take out their enemies. This is what we as a nation have become. Whatever values we adopted during the Enlightenment have gone. We have reverted to the ancient Romans or Aztecs or thousands of other empires who conquered, enslaved, and murdered as the foundation of their economic systems. Just like the mafia. Just like the dictators of the 1930s.
I recommend that people read this article for what is worth and take the obviously required steps thereafter. No semblance of "humanity" is gained by merely reading one persons recountal of the well known facts, whether in a book upon which a personal profit is made, or on a less than effective forum such as this.
I have reviewed nearly all of Chomsky´s writings among many others. While the man may demonstrate an ability to recount the obvious, I have yet to see the man come out in the open and state the obvious conclusions that need to be made. Anybody can make a buck or two playing the role of "token critic" as many do.
Few are willing to put their lives where their mouths are and take the battle directly and personally to the known criminals among us across the globe. Criminals acting in collusion towards a common goal; the enslavement of the masses for the material gorge of the few at any cost to humanity or the planet.
When Chomsky writes a treatise stating the obvious and includes a delineation of the equally obvious conclusions, then and only then will he be seen in my eyes as anything other than an individual who has found his personal method for the acquisition of personal material gain and social status.
I dare you, Mr. Chomsky, to put your life where your mouth is. Right now. Right here.
For the greater common good, as it were...
"... security is often not a high priority for state action, contrary to received doctrine."
I regret to inform you, Sir, that you fail to appreciate the true nature of the "security" of which you speak. It has nothing whatever to do with the wellbeing of ordinary (i.e., non-corporate) citizens. But it certainly does reflect some "difference between the moral culture of 1945 and today." The latter's basis in greed and expediency is slightly (but only slightly) more blatant than the former's. The major difference, however, is the current irrelevance of public opinion.
Bin Laden's desire for separation of Muslims and non-Muslims coincided with Washington's desire for an enemy after the fall of the USSR. Without an enemy, it would be impossible to justify huge military expenditures. Clinton and the defense establishment made do with Serbia and whatever hapless countries crossed them, but it was hard to resurrect a true incarnation of evil until 9-11 gave them the opportunity. After that, all was well--for Bin Laden who could rally the forces of Islam and for the United States government which could bomb the hell out of the Middle East while all the time holding up the flag and embracing the Christian cross. It was a situation made in Heaven for both parties.
"that a massive assault on a Muslim population would be the answer to the prayers of bin Laden and his associates..."
Gee, who else's prayers would also be answered by a massive assault on a Muslim population?
The Five Dancing Israelis
Arrested On 9-11
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html
Indeed, Mr. Chomsky, when you write:
"Thus, it is not true, as President Obama claimed in his White House statement after bin Laden’s death, that “[w]e quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al-Qaeda.”
It only underscores the point made in the link I posted for on the day of 9/11, there were taken into the custody of the US a network of Mossad agents who had been posing as Arabs and trying to place the blame on the Palestinians.
Hmmm, funny that, huh?
If all the evidence was pointing to Osama - so much so that we "knew" he was responsible only hours after the initial attacks, then why would Mossad agents be trying to place the blame on Palestinians, huh?
I mean, these agents had foreknowledge of the attacks as they were there to "document the event" yet even with that foreknowledge, they thought they could place the blame at the Palestinians' feet and NOT Osama's.
Doesn't make much sense, huh?
It's almost as if - GASP - the true perpetrators of the crimes were competing with one another to be able to assign blame for the attacks to the chimerical boogeyman of their choice, huh?
The Israelis wanted the Palestinians to be blamed.
The US needed it to be Osama.
But both had foreknowledge of the attacks and because of this knowledge at the very least aided and abetted in the worst false flag attack in American history.
Please check this important video:-
Architects & Engineers: Solving the Mystery of WTC 7
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28906.htm
Nice, you might also enjoy reading the actual FBI report - though heavily redacted - on the 5 Mossad agents arrested that day.
This document was released last year and is really interesting.
Too bad the totality of it won't be declassified for 20 years.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/62392807/1138796-001-303A-NK-105536-Section-1-944861
Nonetheless, Chomsky actually wrote a book almost immediately supporting the 9/11 official myth that alleged 19 MUSLIM HIJACKERS did what neither RUSSIA
nor CHINA ever dared do -- attack us on a day when coincidentally NORAD WAS
AWOL --
and the UNDEFENDED Pentagon with an hour's warning neither evacuated their building nor sounded an alert -- !!
ROFL
But though Chomsky is fooled very little by Imperialism, he encourages us all to be fooled by this nonsense~!!
QUOTE --
It's almost as if - GASP - the true perpetrators of the crimes were competing with one another to be able to assign blame for the attacks to the chimerical boogeyman of their choice, huh?
The Israelis wanted the Palestinians to be blamed.
The US needed it to be Osama.
But both had foreknowledge of the attacks and because of this knowledge at the very least aided and abetted in the worst false flag attack in American history.
UNQUOTE
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Let's wake up, America -- PLEASE!!
Whenever there is a Chomsky post on CD, 9/11 Truthers always pop up...
Noam Chomsky has been speaking the truth about the state of world affairs for decades. He courageously risked his job and professional standing to protest the Vietnam war before many Truthers were even born. Noam Chomsky opposed US imperial actions before 9/11 and continues to oppose them afterwards. He would do so whether 9/11 were an inside job or not, on moral grounds that are made very clear in his immense catalog of writing.
Assuming that the official story behind 9/11 were true, would Truthers support the actions of the US government since? In the Truthers' mindset, is the only reason that the US government should be opposed because they lied to justify their actions? If they were telling the truth, would they be morally correct to invade Afghanistan? Iraq?
You're really asking:
whether it makes a difference if the 9/11 attacks were done with aforeknowledge or active participation by US government officials. . . . .?
Chomsky has said it doesn't.
I disagree as do most all the people who believe that there was greater orchestration that fateful September day 10 years ago.
It matters greatly if our own people were involved.
It amplifies the criminality of the attacks on Mideastern people.
It expands the illegality of those invasions and occupations.
And it means that if US people, neoCons or whoever, were involved then not only would the World Court be much more likely a participant in meting justice with the US electorate clamoring for the heads of wrongdoers, but US courts as well.
All justifications, rationalizations and excuses for behavior post 9/11 would be in a very different light. All US actions would be re-scrutinized, and their criminality laid bare.
As it is, they've miminized, denied, and blamed everyone else under the sun for their actions.
It would make all the difference in the world.
And exposing lies is healthy. . . . though painful.
Good post, Robert.
Good post -- !! Thank you --
Chomsky has not spoken the truth either about the coup on JFK or the "inside
job" that 9/11 was --
And what nonsense questions -- !! Even the families of victims of 9/11 made clear ... "DO NOT USE OUR PAIN AND SUFFERING TO CREATE WAR" ---
Why would the many seeking the truth of 9/11 support imperialism in any event?
..
What always bothered me about 9/11 was that there was no immediate claim of responsibility by any group. I cannot say it was "an inside job" because the conspiracy would have to continue reinforcing silence on a large number of people who now had nothing to do with it.
We were too quick to decide who was at fault. Bush 2 claimed to have seen the first plane hit the towers. He is not alone. Other people claim to have seen that happen on television when television was not showing it.
Chomsky opened my eyes to the question of why terrorism itself was an evil to constantly be punished. Could the British have lawfully bombed Boston for some people supporting the IRA?
Ten years on I have many nagging questions. The question that no longer bothers me is why the invasions. They were and are the desire to expand and Empire that is bloated, debt-ridden, and corrupt.
>>I cannot say it was "an inside job" because the conspiracy would have to continue reinforcing silence on a large number of people who now had nothing to do with it.
Not true and this line is used all the time. There a wealth of examples of Conspiracies that were covered up for decades and longer. It was only through the FOIA that the true facts of the Gulf Of Tonkin were revealed.
Let me posit a question to you.
Do you believe that John F Kennedy was killed by a single shooter, that shooters name Lee Harvey Oswald?
GW North - Yes! This so called logical argument is total bullshit. There are numerous incidents of this tactic- "Remember The Maine" , The Gulf Of Tonkin Incident, are two of the most well documented false flag attacks, and yet the Official History still stands in many history classes, and resonates with The Adults In The Room crowd, who claim that we just cannot keep any secrets. BULLSHIT- What of the Manhattan Project, What Of The Skunk Works Programs, this type of ACTUAL active cognitive dissonance is simple to promote and disseminate. The Manhattan Project was consuming 25% of the electrical output of the ENTIRE country but was kept secret and in many ways is still secret, and there were entire Cities, built and populated, whose ENTIRE industrial output was dedicated to supporting the Manhattan project, in which the people living and working within had no idea the real reasons for their activity, and still believe the State Secret lies. The Hanford site in Washington State was conducting Open Air Releases of High Level Radiation to study the effects of wind dispersal and the causal relationship between radiation and disease, and yet the lie that none of this happened or happens stands to the test of time. The conspiracy does not need people to be silent about what they know, it requires that people who do not know maintain their ignorance at all cost, even to their own self respect, their sense of decency, and their souls.
Thanks for providing this info about yourself. It was a vast assortment of 'cides we got where I grew up in California.
My immediate reaction on Sept. 11, 2001 was, "There is no way this could have been pulled this off without the knowledge of someone in our trillion-dollar intelligence community.. What are we spending all that money for if not to prevent things exactly like this?" Well, it turned out that there were plenty in the intelligence community who had prior knowledge -- this is documented, verifiable fact. See the Aug. 6 2001 PDB, or more recently, Richard Clarke's comments about George Tenet. Bush Knew, that's a fact.
I also found it puzzling from the very beginning why no one claimed responsibility for the attack. Isn't this precisely the purpose of terrorism? Why would a group go to all this trouble to pull this scheme off and then not claim credit for their successful attack, not brag about hitting the world's lone superpower at the heart of its financial and military headquarters, not issue any demands, not release a communique to the American people, not issue any further threats of attacks, nothing? It doesn't make sense. It allowed Bush and the US media to define the questions and the answers. They hate us for our freedoms, etc. Well, then, the next thing you know, Osama bin Laden is insisting that he was not involved in this particular attack. What gives? Maybe he wasn't?
No, it was the US government that issued the "official story," and the corporate media that sold this bill of goods to the American people. Remember? The TV just told us, with no evidence whatsoever, that "this has the hallmarks of al-Qaeda." Then they started showing bin Laden's picture over and over, and that footage of training camps in Afghanistan, and that was that. Case closed. No evidence necessary. No trial, no nothing. Then ten years later, they allegedly assassinate the alleged mastermind, and dump his body in the ocean. Makes no sense whatsoever.
And BTW, it's really not that hard for a few people to keep a secret. The types of people that would have pulled off this inside job for the government would be the same black ops people that pulled off the JFK assassination. Has anyone ever admitted to that? Anyone ever come clean on their death bed? No, these people take these secrets to their graves.
Amazing also how often posters will make clear that we have a corporate-press working against truth -- indeed, telling lies --
but when it comes to 9/11, the corporate-press somehow becomes the teller of truths.
Americans should also remember that video can be made to lie --
Also agree re the JFK assassination -- a coup which took not only our president but our "people's" government.
Wake up, America --
Al lthat capitalism has given us is immorality -- wage slavery, sickness,, perpetual wars, and destruction of nature, natural resources, animal life, Global Warming --
Well said, conscience. Good summary of capitalism too.
Actually E. Howard Hunt came clean on the JFK assassination as he was dying, confessing to his son, who recorded it. It is a very credible recording, and you can even hear it on the internet. Nevertheless it has been thoroughly ignored by those who shape the opinions of the mindless masses. We live in an age when not only the most irrefutable documentary proof of internal foul play (e.g. the Zapruder film and the endless videos showing explosions in the three WTC skyscrapers) is simply denied by the authorities and their sheeplike subjects, but even open admissions of involvement, such as Hunt's confession or the revelations of LBJ's mistress, can be ignored into non-existence. Moreover, even the findings of an official Congressional investigation--the Church Commission, whose forensic and audiovisual experts found that it could be credibly asserted that there was at least one other gunman in Deely Plaza--can be swept down the memory hole by the Goebbelsian repetition of the lie by the MSM, who still treat those who logically conclude a conspiracy in the JFK murder as fringe "tinfoil hat" theorists.
This is the world we live in and have lived in for decades, except that it got a lot worse when Bush stole the 2000 election and then even worse than that on 9/11/01. As Harold Pinter so searingly put it in his Nobel acceptance speech, which was aimed quite specifically at a "brutal, scornful, and ruthless United States": "It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening it wasn't happening."
This is our world.
Would-be "debunkers" of 9/11 truth efforts say that if there had been such a conspiracy, at least one of the people involved would come forward. Actually many have come forward, some of them privy to classified information: Robert Baer, Sibel Edmonds, Alan Sabrosky, William Rodriguez, NYC cops and firemen, endless witnesses, the list goes on. And there are others as well, who still remain unnamed but have been cited by government insiders such as former CIA psychiatrist Steve Pieczienik, who were actually privy to the plot and who want to testify in a court of law but will not come forward until they have the protection of what used to be the rule of law. And there are still others, high foreign government officials, such as Italian former president and interior minister Cossiga and former German defense minister Von Bulow, former UK MI5 agent Annie Bichon, et al, who know the international intelligence community inside and out and have also come forward but are ignored by all but our precious internet samizdat.
Because, in our world, if the New York Times, the Washington Post, the BBC, CNN, FOX, and NBC don't say it, it didn't happen. Even as it was happening, it didn't happen. Even as YOU SAW IT HAPPENING, it didn't happen.
Clovis I'm still relatively new to Common Dreams and have only limited Internet time available to keep up with everything posted here. On the strength of the amount of information you've included in your comment, I'd very much like to know whether you have a personal blog url you'd be willing to include information of for anyone interested in exchanges with you other than at this site. Or would that just open you to too much barrage?
Thanks for the compliment, ComDmarte, but I'm simply too busy trying to earn the money to pay my mortgage to do much more than occasionally voice my opinions on forums like CD. I've thought of starting a blog, but I simply wouldn't have time for it, at least not at the moment. Since my work does keep me forever at the computer, however, I do try to keep up with all sides of current events. If I did have more time, I would probably get more involved in local consciousness-raising efforts at the local level, since this really is very sorely needed.
You're welcome, Clovis, and thanks for taking the time to reply to me here. Actually I knew Noam or Chomsky or Professor Chomsky or however you want to refer to him, many years ago when both of us were involved in a then-small war resister tax-refuser group along lines suggested by Barbara Deming.. I've always both agreed some with him and disagreed other times and ways. I'm glad you're still "gainfully employed"! I may be even older than Chomsky but however that may be I've been forced for some time to refer to myself as "prematurely inadvertently retired". So I have the opposite problem to yours and look to the Internet more than I wish I felt I had to, seeking community, sharing of ideas with likeminded but not uncritically-minded people on sites where the ?"level of discourse"? isn't too numbing. It was good of you to take the time to respond to me and find your comment after an otherwise not terribly productive day ;-)
Very well said, clovis. The point about 'there would have to be leakers' always gets me. As I said in another post, If a leaker leaks and the mass media ignore him, was there a leak? Sibel Edmonds is one such person. She saw the evidence that the US was friends with OBL right up to the day of 911. She's ignored in the media. Or what about the officials in the DOJ whose report shows that the alleged cell phone calls from Ted Olsen's wife--in which she gave us the factoid about Arabs wielding "box-cutters"--those calls never happened. If that is not an attempt by SOMEONE in DOJ to blow the whistle on this whole rotten scam I don't know what is. But, like everything else, it was totally ignored by the mass media, AND the left "alternative" media. It's outrageous.
Thanks for pointing that out about the E. Howard Hunt confession. I had forgotten about that, probably because it was mentioned only on a few websites before it was cast down the memory hole of the mainstream media.
Actually BBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, CNBC did see things happen on 9-11-2001 & commented on them - ITS JUST THAT IT ALL CONVENIENTLY WENT DOWN THE MEMORY BLACK-HOLE!
"The way those structures are collapsing...This was clearly the result of something that was planned. It's not accidental that the first tower just happened to collapse and then the second tower just happened to collapse in exactly the same way. Just how they accomplished this...we don't know." The recently deceased Mark Haines of CNBC's Squawk Box commenting on WTC 1 & 2 collapses on 9-11-2001 [view - www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTppoBZKC4s].
'Incredibly for the 3rd time today a WTC tower has completely collapsed. Its like what we've seen on TV so often before - WHEN BUILDINGS ARE DELIBERATELY DESTROYED BY USING WELL PLACED DYNAMITE TO KNOCK THEM DOWN!!..' - CBS' Dan Rather commenting on the collapse of WTC-7 on 9-11-2001...
ABC's George Stephanopoulos riding in the subway to lower Manhattan- talked about explosions in the WTC's sub-basement levels w the late Peter Jennings, resulting in thick smoke & the need to evacuate the subway under & near the WTC complex.
CNN [I believe it was Arron Brown] announced the collapse of WTC-7 about 1hr & 15min BEFORE IT ACTUALLY DID COLLAPSE! Then BBC in a live-televised report announced the collapse of WTC-7 about 25min BEFORE IT ACTUALLY DID COLLAPSE! - All the while w WTC-7 clearly standing in the back-ground! Then about 5-10min before WTC-7's actual collapse BBC's live feed was conveniently cut-off!
NOTE: Must See Video on 9-11 Whitsle-blower Susan Lindauer- [She's Bush's ex-Chief of Staff Andy Card's {yes that Andy Card} 2nd Cousin]- www.youtube.com/watch?v=EavsvUn7QT8&feature=related
You can find Susan Lindauer on Wikipedia -
E. Howard Hunt had a very evil hand in much of America's RW political violence/crimes -- and there are suspicions that he helped frame Ted Kennedy for Chappaquiddick.
See: http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ToA/ToA.html
Can also imagine that the idea of having various of the plotters appearing in Dealey
Plaza was some part having the necessary power present, but also would have appealed to him as a fellow author --
See: Agatha Christie/Murder On The Orient Express
The RW takeover continues on mainly because of the immense power shift --
i.e., "Congress is under the control of the oil and coal industries"
See: Al Gore/Rolling Stone
We know that ovewhelming evidence has made clear the coup on JFK -- just
as it does the horrific truth behind 9/11 and the Bush adminsitration -- but it is
our Goebbels's style press which keeps the lid on things by ensuring that there
are no challenges to the RW which can be heard --
And it continues on because there is so much FEAR of truth among the public --
knowing is powerful, but it is also frightening at times.
Great post -- and I'm headed to listen to the Hunt tape -- !
on 911, specific buildings and offices were destroyed...some of those offices contained information regarding investigations into the JFK murder...
what if those responsible were not only still around, but running things? why would that be a surprise? wouldn't that be exactly why one would kill a president, to take over, and run things? since JFK died, the Bush family has had incredible success in this country...George Bush, Sr., was in Dallas the day JFK was shot...
According to Jesse Ventura's conspiracy show, E. Howard Hunt's son says that his father DID confess, on his deathbed, to being involved in the plot to kill JFK. But your point is well taken. Many conspiracies were kept secret by even many thousands (like the Manhattan Project) for years. But there could be hundreds of equally top secret conspiracies that we wouldn't KNOW are kept secret precisely because they ARE!
Chomsky doing the Chomsky thing. He is right, of course, but so what? That is not what is important about (the second) 9/11.
Limiting himself to Official Sources, he can never get closer to the root than the Empire allows.
How true, Brian. Here's an earlier quote from Chomsky himself: " The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. " Hoisted on his own petard, Chomsky keeps himself quite within that range. He plays quite a clever part in the official cover up/ narrative of what really happened on 911.
Funny how he doesnt even entertain the notion that they killed bin Laden and didnt put him on trial precisely because they didnt want the truth to get out there.
Beyond that, what is Chomsky proposing to stop US Imperial fireign policy? Protest? read his bools? Once again he is acting like we have all the time in the world to change course.
But I fear that 2012 is The Last Election. If we do not change course, we are heading for financial collapse in one form or another. If Kucinich would run on an anti-war, anti-empire platform, not only would I vote for him, Id go to work for him.
Kitaj, you are absolutely correct that Chomsky, and many others on the left, are light in their criticism of the current global empire and the new disguised style of imperialism.
A decade or more ago there was a significant move among left intellectuals; Chomsky, Chalmers Johnson, Bacevich, and others to seriously focus on the issue of empire --- but all the focus was on the US being the empire, Pax Americana, the US as the only super-power, vast numbers of foreign military bases, etc., etc.
But when that line of investigation and reportage did not 'play-out', and the issue of a distinctly "American Empire" did not catch on with a broader audience after 9/11, the American left seemed to lose focus and interest in empire as the seminal cause of our disease.
However, the proper diagnosis is that the new empire is not distinctly American, nor any other nation-state-based empire, but rather that the disguised and fast evolving (one might better say metastasizing) empire was actually an entirely new form of post-nation-state empire --- the first true global corporate/financial/militarist Empire for the 21st century.
Kitaj, I greatly appreciate your clarity and commitment that "If Kucinich would run on an anti-war, anti-empire platform, not only would I vote for him, Id go to work for him" --- since this is exactly the overtly open and anti-empire platform that will throw the 2012 election into a revolutionary opportunity to confront the the quiet, 'never mention empire' lie of omission that all Republican as well as Democratic candidates practice under threat of corporate funding death!
This is also precisely the type of rhetorical hand grenade that we intend to throw into the 2012 'un-contest' for faux president/Emperor.
All 'symptom issues' such as; foreign wars, domestic economic oppression, spying, environmental destruction, etc., etc. lead inexorably not to Rome, but to this disguised and ethereal global corporate/financial/militarist Empire.
Since 9/11 it is commonly said that, "everything has changed".
Yes, "We are all rubes of Empire now".
It is simply amazing that still no major media coverage (including the vaunted NYT) has related this (Libya and other) African/Middle East wars to Thomas Barnett's 2006 Naval War College book and strategy, "The Pentagon's New Map", which promulgated the current plan of the global corporate/financial/militarist Empire controlling our former country, to capture the entire 5000 miles swath of "GAP" countries from Mauritania to the Chinese boarder.
There remains no substantial recognition that our former country (and others like U.K. Israel et al) has been captured by a disguised global corporate/financial/militarist EMPIRE, which hides behind the facade of its TWO-Party modernized "Vichy" sham of faux-democratic government ---- just as the occupying Nazi Empire hid behind the far simpler single-party "Vichy" regime.
'Globalization' is simply the branded and polite marketing term for global EMPIRE!
This disguised global empire is the causal cancerous tumor that creates all 'symptom problems' like wars, economic oppression, massive inequality, environmental destruction, and all other 'issues' that are used to divide and distract resistance from attacking the core of the Empire itself.
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
Liberty & democracy
over
violent
empire
New America People's Party 2012 -- our last chance against the 'Globalism' that IS the post-nation-state global empire
RAMA: Good post. I have to say, I'm more than disappointed in Chomsky, given the content of this article. Most of us on CD recognize that The Supreme Crime took place in the run-up to the war against Iraq. What has Chomsky said in this article that wasn't known (apart from the high numbers of executed "trouble-makers" in Latin America?) We understand that to the victor goes the writing of history. And how many (in this forum) really believe Bin Laden was behind 911, even if he demonstrated skill in the use of propaganda, as per his description of how to "take down" the West? The guy worked for the CIA back in the days when the Soviets were considered the supreme enemy, and Osama had common cause with the U.S. (or so it seemed) in Afghanistan. Maybe the story line developed back then!
It seems to me that in the same way George Lakoff gets lost inside of his own paradigm, so identified with language that ideally separates the Democrats (and their agenda) from the Republicans, that he truly is clueless as to the larger reality: that both work for the same owners. Here, with Chomsky, he puts his analytical mind to work assessing the "known knowns," and appears quite naive insofar as not pursuing a deeper dissection of the data.
It's gratifying to see quite a few in this forum who do see things for what they are. Kudos to: GW North, Conscience, Clovis, Brian B. DC-CPH, Alan M, and those who refuse to allow The Big Lie to pose for an acceptable story.
Everyone has a blindspot, and a ph.D. in one area, (Chomsky is a professor of linguistics, I believe) is not necessarily an expert in every other.
rama wrote: "How true, Brian. Here's an earlier quote from Chomsky himself: " The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. " Hoisted on his own petard, Chomsky keeps himself quite within that range. He plays quite a clever part in the official cover up/ narrative of what really happened on 911."
Thanks rama for this post. That quote by Chomsky I believe is one of his best. I remember the first time I heard him speak it several years ago, in one of the many excellent documentaries that Noam's been featured in, I think it was either 'Manufacturing Consent - Noam Chomsky and the Media' or 'Orwell Rolls In His Grave' (I highly recommend both films to everyone).
This quote of Noam’s is one of the most enlightening and paradigm-shifting viewpoints I've ever heard, and it gave me a profound, new perspective on our MSM and the corporate powers that influence it, when I first heard it.
Unfortunately, I also agree with your point about Noam's unwillingness to entertain ideas contrary to the official story about the events of 9/11.
When I find myself getting discouraged by Mr Chomsky's resistance to open discussion in this area, I try to remember and focus instead more on Noam’s many positive contributions to the progressive movement, and how his writings and talks have helped to open so many people's minds to the problems of our Western culture and its harmful effects around the world.
I also thank God for the 9/11 truthers, for helping to open my mind to many things, as well!
To me, two things stand out in this article, even if they are not specifically stated.
1. Osama bin Laden and the government of the United States (and its allies) share the same beliefs and tactics.
2. When Noam Chomsky was relating the atrocities and techniques which were/are parallels between the first September 11th and the second September 11th, these are the standard operating procedures of the government of the United States. These represent the fascist state we live in. They need not and should not be seen as associated with only certain events or dates.
This is business as usual under the religion of so-called Free market capitalism.
Anyone who does not support these techniques, will not be allowed a voice in the corporate government by either of the corporate owned parties.