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5 Reasons Progressives Should Treat Ron Paul with Extreme Caution
He's anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-black, anti-senior-citizen, anti-equality and anti-education, and that's just the start.
There are few things as maddening in a maddening political season as the warm and fuzzy feelings some progressives evince for Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, the Republican presidential candidate. "The anti-war Republican," people say, as if that's good enough.
But Ron Paul is much, much more than that. He's the anti-Civil-Rights-Act Republican. He's an anti-reproductive-rights Republican. He's a gay-demonizing Republican. He's an anti-public education Republican and an anti-Social Security Republican. He's the John Birch Society's favorite congressman. And he's a booster of the Constitution Party, which has a Christian Reconstructionist platform. So, if you're a member of the anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-black, anti-senior-citizen, anti-equality, anti-education, pro-communist-witch-hunt wing of the progressive movement, I can see how he'd be your guy.
Paul first drew the attention of progressives with his vocal opposition to the invasion of Iraq. Coupled with the Texan's famous call to end the Federal Reserve, that somehow rendered him, in the eyes of the single-minded, the GOP's very own Dennis Kucinich. Throw in Paul's opposition to the drug war and his belief that marriage rights should be determined by the states, and Paul seemed suitable enough to an emotionally immature segment of the progressive movement, a wing populated by people with privilege adequate enough to insulate them from the nasty bits of the Paul agenda. (Tough on you blacks! And you, women! And you, queers! And you, old people without money.)
Ron Paul's anti-war stance, you see, comes not from a cry for peace, but from the deeply held isolationism of the far right. Some may say that, when it comes to ending the slaughter of innocents, the ends justify the means. But, in the case of Ron Paul, the ends involve trading the rights and security of a great many Americans for the promise of non-intervention.
Here's a list -- by no means comprehensive -- of Ron Paul positions and associates that should explain, once and for all, why no self-respecting progressive could possibly sidle up to Paul.
1) Ron Paul on Race
Based on his religious adherence to his purportedly libertarian principles, Ron Paul opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Unlike his son, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., Ron Paul has not even tried to walk back from this position. In fact, he wears it proudly. Here's an excerpt from Ron Paul's 2004 floor speech about the Civil Rights Act, in which he explains why he voted against a House resolution honoring the 40th anniversary of the law:
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business's workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge's defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife.
He also said this: "[T]he forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty."
Ron Paul also occasionally appears at events sponsored by the John Birch Society, the segregationist right-wing organization that is closely aligned with the Christian Reconstructionist wing of the religious right.
In 2008, James Kirchick brought to light in the pages of the New Republic a number of newsletters with Paul's name in the title -- Ron Paul's Freedom Report, Ron Paul Political Report, The Ron Paul Survival Report, and The Ron Paul Investment Letter -- that contained baldly racist material, which Paul denied writing.
At NewsOne, Casey Gane-McCalla reported a number of these vitriolic diatribes, including this, on the L.A. riots after the Rodney King verdict: "Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began.”
In a related piece, Jon C. Hopwood of Yahoo!'s Associated Content cites a Reuters report on Paul's response to the TNR story, which came in the form of a written statement:
The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.... I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.
2) Ron Paul on Reproductive Rights
The sponsor of a bill to overturn Roe v. Wade, Ron Paul's libertarianism does not apply to women, though it does apply to zygotes. His is a no-exceptions anti-abortion position, essentially empowering a rapist to sire a child with a woman of his choosing. Although Paul attributes his stance on abortion to his background as an ob-gyn physician, it should be noted that most ob-gyns are pro-choice, and that Paul's draconian position tracks exactly with that of his Christian Reconstructionist friends.
While mainstream media, when they're not busy ignoring his presidential campaign in favor of the badly trailing former Utah Gov. John Huntsman, invariably focus on Paul's economic libertarianism, Sarah Posner, writing for the Nation, noted that during his appearances leading up to the Iowa straw poll (in which Paul finished second only to Rep. Michele Bachmann, Minn., by a 200-vote margin), "launched into gruesome descriptions of abortion, a departure from his stump speech focused on cutting taxes, shutting down the Federal Reserve, getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan and repealing the Patriot Act."
3) Ron Paul on LGBT People
While it's true that Paul advocates leaving it to the states to determine whether same-sex marriages should be legally recognized, it's not because he's a friend to LGBT people. Paul's position on same-sex marriage stems from his beliefs about the limits of the federal government's role vis-a-vis his novel interpretation of the Constitution.
In fact, a newsletter called the Ron Paul Poltiical Report, unearthed by Kirchick, shows Paul on a rant against a range of foes and conspiracies, including "the federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS," to which Paul parenthetically adds, "my training as a physician helps me see through this one." The passage, which also portends a "coming race war in our big cities," complains of the "perverted" and "pagan" annual romp for the rich and powerful known as Bohemian Grove, and takes aim at the "demonic" Skull and Bones Society at Yale, not to mention the "Israeli lobby," begins with the paranoid claim, "I've been told not to talk, but these stooges don't scare me."
While Paul denied, in 2001, writing most of the scurrilous material that ran, without attribution, in newsletters that bore his name in the title, this passage, according to Jon Hopwood, bears Paul's byline.
4) Ron Paul Calls Social Security Unconstitutional, Compares it to Slavery
Earlier this year, in an appearance on "Fox News Sunday," Paul declared both Social Security and Medicare to be unconstitutional, essentially saying they should be abolished for the great evil that they are -- just like slavery. Here's the transcript, via ThinkProgress:
["FOX NEWS SUNDAY" HOST CHRIS] WALLACE: You talk a lot about the Constitution. You say Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid are all unconstitutional.
PAUL: Technically, they are. … There’s no authority [in the Constitution]. Article I, Section 8 doesn't say I can set up an insurance program for people. What part of the Constitution are you getting it from? The liberals are the ones who use this General Welfare Clause. … That is such an extreme liberal viewpoint that has been mistaught in our schools for so long and that's what we have to reverse—that very notion that you're presenting.
WALLACE: Congressman, it's not just a liberal view. It was the decision of the Supreme Court in 1937 when they said that Social Security was constitutional under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution.
PAUL: And the Constitution and the courts said slavery was legal, too, and we had to reverse that.
5) Ron Paul, Christian Reconstructionists and the John Birch Society
The year 2008 was a telling one in the annals of Ron Paul's ideology. For starters, it was the year in which he delivered the keynote address at the 50th anniversary gala of the John Birch Society, the famous anti-communist, anti-civil-rights organization hatched in the 1950s by North Carolina candy magnate Robert Welch, with the help of Fred Koch, founder of what is now Koch Industries, and a handful of well-heeled friends. The JBS is also remembered for its role in helping to launch the 1964 presidential candidacy of the late Sen. Barry Goldwater, R-Ariz., and for later backing the segregationist Alabama Gov. George Wallace in his 1968 third-party presidential bid.
The semi-secular ideology of the John Birch Society -- libertarian market and fiscal theory laced with flourishes of cultural supremacy -- finds its religious counterpart, as Fred Clarkson noted, in the theonomy of Christian Reconstructionism, the right-wing religious-political school of thought founded by Rousas John Rushdoony. The ultimate goal of Christian Reconstructionists is to reconstitute the law of the Hebrew Bible -- which calls for the execution of adulterers and men who have sex with other men -- as the law of the land. The Constitution Party constitutes the political wing of Reconstructionism, and the CP has found a good friend in Ron Paul.
When Paul launched his second presidential quest in 2008, he won the endorsement of Rev. Chuck Baldwin, a Baptist pastor who travels in Christian Reconstructionist circles, though he is not precisely a Reconstructionist himself (for reasons having to do with his interpretation of how the end times will go down). When Paul dropped out of the race, instead of endorsing Republican nominee John McCain, or even Libertarian Party nominee Bob Barr, Paul endorsed Constitution Party nominee Chuck Baldwin (who promised, in his acceptance speech, to uphold the Constitution Party platform, which looks curiously similar to the Ron Paul agenda, right down to the no-exceptions abortion proscription and ending the Fed).
At his shadow rally that year in Minneapolis, held on the eve of the Republican National Convention, Paul invited Constitution Party founder Howard Phillips, a Christian Reconstructionist, to address the crowd of end-the-Fed-cheering post-pubescents. (In his early congressional career, Julie Ingersoll writes in Religion Dispatches, Paul hired as a staffer Gary North, a Christian Reconstructionist leader and Rushdoony's son-in-law.)
At a "Pastor's Forum" at Baldwin's Baptist church in Pensacola, Florida, Paul was asked by a congregant about his lack of support for Israel, which many right-wing Christians support because of the role Israel plays in what is known as premillennialist end-times theology. "Premillennialist" refers to the belief that after Jesus returns, according to conditions on the ground in Israel, the righteous will rule. But Christian Reconstructionists have a different view, believing the righteous must first rule for 1,000 years before Jesus will return.
They also believe, according to Clarkson, "that 'the Christians' are the 'new chosen people of God,' commanded to do what 'Adam in Eden and Israel in Canaan failed to do...create the society that God requires.' Further, Jews, once the 'chosen people,' failed to live up to God's covenant and therefore are no longer God's chosen. Christians, of the correct sort, now are."
Responding to Baldwin's congregant, Paul explained, "I may see it slightly differently than others because I think of the Israeli government as different than what I read about in the Bible. I mean, the Israeli government doesn't happen to be reflecting God's views. Some of them are atheist, and their form of government is not what I would support... And there are some people who interpret the chosen people as not being so narrowly defined as only the Jews -- that maybe there's a broader definition of that."
At the John Birch Society 50th anniversary gala, Ron Paul spoke to another favorite theme of the Reconstructionists and others in the religious right: that of the "remnant" left behind after evil has swept the land. (Gary North's publication is called The Remnant Review.) In a dispatch on Paul's keynote address, The New American, the publication of the John Birch Society, explained, "He claimed that the important role the JBS has played was to nurture that remnant and added, 'The remnant holds the truth together, both the religious truth and the political truth.'"
Is there a progressive willing to join that fold?
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Show AllThat avoided my question rather neatly, didn't it?
We progressives have to stop tearing each other apart. We really don't need to do the right's work for them. When a debate is going on on in this forum, is it really necessaery for some to get off into this personality/ego/one upsmanship/pecking order BS? What's that all about? What does that do for a progressive agenda? Four more years of this and a progressive agenda is over.
Ad and Kitaj, I'm a strong supporter of progressive coalitions and I have talked about the need to bring in FDR Democrats and Eisenhower Republicans, both rare species these days into the equation along with other independent left-leaning parties and people. I can accept a progressive alliance with the libertarians if the the Libertarians will give more support and higher priority to left leaning libertarian ideals. That might help boost our chances of better organizing. By the way, without a doubt, I think we all can agree that it's possible to work out our disagreements without resorting to verbal abuse.
That is the number one issue for you, fine.
Speak for yourself.
The neocons co-opted the Libertarian Party several years ago. Neal Bortz was one of those in the forefront of the effort.
So what?
RKT9 -- That is the essential question.
Yes, Ron Paul has some very shaky views on many issues clear and dear to progressives.
Obama is a PROVEN mass murderer who has expanded wars and drone strikes all over the Middle East. Despite his background as a 'constitutional' scholar -- Obama has as much contempt for civil liberties, rule of law, Bill of Rights, limited executive powers, etc. as Dick Cheney.
If Ron Paul were elected President -- something that Wall Street, the banksters, and the architects of the U.S. military empire will do everything to prevent -- he would have the ability to change only certain things. He would not be Emperor capable of dismissing decades of Civil Rights laws, regulations, abortion rights protections with a wave of his hand. (Not yet anyway. We seem to be heading toward the sort of executive powers that Augustine enjoyed after his ascension over Rome.)
So Ron Paul might not be keen on enforcing civil rights legislation at the justice department but he cannot simply ban these laws. Bush junior wanted a constitutional ban on gay marriage, the privatization of social security, etc. but could not quite pull those off -- thanks to separation of powers in the U.S. government.
Please familiarize with the actual powers of the U.S. President before becoming hysterical over the wayward political views of Ron Paul. His views in many areas of government are bunkum but his powers to inflict them will be limited.
However, as 'Commander and Chief' Paul will have the power to immediately end the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya -- and where ever else Barack the bomber is now active.
Is Paul worth the risk?
If we do not reign in the U.S. military empire, the American Republic is dead. We cannot run an empire abroad while maintaining a democracy at home. (We are probably already past the point of no return. We are now ruled by a small plutocracy acting strictly for the benefit of their banks and corporations. Military empire is part of their profit system. Democracy is a facade.)
I would prefer to see Dennis Kucinich, Bernie Saunders, or Cynthia McKinney as President. They appear to be unavailable.
In a contest between Ron Paul and Barack Obama -- a proven empire builder, Wall Street factotum, and enemy of the Bill of Rights -- I would take a chance with Paul.
What exactly do you think you are going to lose with Obama out of the White House?
However, you are probably not going to have to worry about Paul as president. There is an excellent chance you will be seeing Rick Perry grinning from the White House lawn.
Should Obama fool enough voters the second go round to cling to the Presidency, Wall Street and the Pentagon will still sleep well at night.
That should have been Augustus above -- not Augustine!
Hey, with Rick Perry you might end up with an extremely dumbed-down combo.
Yeah, because the way to end the rule of a small plutocracy, is to support someone whose entire worldview is built on the idea of the supremacy of capital and political rights.
No it's CD just getting into quick vote for Obomber mode is ALL, same old, same old, never mind the stench of dead civilian wafting from Libya!
I share your pessimism but don't think you are at all paranoid! Single issues voting is our downfall, we criticise those who vote single or perhaps double issue (abortion, gun 'lack of' control) on the part of many conservatives so we shouldn't be so hypocritical as to sway that way just to oppose Obama. As the writer points out Paul's views don't come from a 'left leaning' philospohy at all. To leave something as important as marriage up to the States is a cop out. If one lives in a State that respects gay marriage and then moves or even holidays in one which doesn't have reciprocity what then? Anyone who thinks civil rights is a 'states rights' issue really needs to catch up to the mid 20th century....civil rights remains a very fragile thing and needs all the federal support it can get. The Paul's, Senior and Junior, are potentially very dangerous to anyone who is not a corporate 'person'.
social saftey net?!?! social security!?!? its a giant ponzi scheme that's collapsing! you and i aren't gonna get any of that! you care about a horrible social safety net over ending the wars? shame on you!
and if you actually listen to the man, he wouldn't end every social program with one stroke of the pen first day on the job. monetary system would get fixed first and foremost. then much of the poverty we have wouldn't exist.
SS is simply not a ponzi scheme, it's a transfer of income from those actively working to those who are retired or households impoverished by death or disablement of a breadwinner.
It is true that baby boom demographics are putting pressure on the program, largely mitigated by the Trust Fund. It's also true that the latter is a bunch of IOUs, but that's because the funds have been used to cover for relentless tax cuts for corporations and the rich. We need to make sure that when the gov't makes good on the TF bonds, that it comes out of the hides of the fat cats who have already spent it, and not programs benefitting the working class. However, the TF issue doesn't make SS a ponzi scheme.
Here's a better read on what Social Security really is and it's more than money and entitlements.
http://www.moderateindependent.com/v3i1ss.htm
I agree with most of the piece, but obviously didn't have time to write a treatise like that when I was responding to the person who thought SS was a ponzi scheme.
I do take issue, however, with the idea that the Trust Fund is an asset. It's certainly an asset from the standpoint of the SS program, but to the federal gov't as a whole it's an unfunded liability. Please note that the Trust Fund is counted as part of our national debt. Imagine if, instead of letting the extra payroll taxes be used to cover for tax cuts for those who didn't need them, we had invested them in corporate bonds or bonds issued by foreign governments. Then we wouldn't have to 'rob Peter to pay Paul' when dipping into the TF. As it stands now, the working class may have to pay for some of its SS benefits twice, once through extra payroll taxes, and again as programs it depends on are cut to make good on the TF bonds. Essentially, under the guise of shoring up the program, the collection of extra payroll taxes was used to shift the tax burden from the wealthy to the working class.
As your article states, we need to lift the cap on wages subject to the payroll tax. We also need to be vigilant about making sure that the working class doesn't get shafted when the TF bonds are redeemed.
I dunno what will happen to SS 20-25 years from now when I hit retirement age but good to know. Thanks for the update on Trust Fund.
"and if you actually listen to the man, he wouldn't end every social program with one stroke of the pen first day on the job. monetary system would get fixed first and foremost. then much of the poverty we have wouldn't exist."
Disingenuous. So he would not end it on the first day of the job. So what? That is his goal.
This article pisses me off in many respects. Ms. Stan is marginalizing liberals and progressives that believe in many of the things that Ron Paul has been saying for years. For example – the Federal Reserve SHOULD BE abolished. The Constitution provides the government with the right to print money but that was stolen by the private banksters. Why should the US pay a private bank to print our money AND to pay interest for the privilege of using it? It’s a capitalist method of controlling our government, and it’s insane. Unfortunately Ron Paul is an unapologetic capitalist.
With regard to racial issues I believe that the Civil Rights Act was necessary because of the rampant inequality of race in this country. But many of those inequalities could have been eliminated by the imposition of socialism for everyone (free medical, free education and a democratic workroom floor) instead of capitalism, which is just another form of slavery (wage slavery and debt slavery). Racism is a symptom of capitalism.
With regard to abortion and reproductive rights – first, I have to admit that I’m a guy so I have no business telling a woman what to do with her body. But clearly these right-wingers objection to abortion is not based on some moral indignation. It’s about the superiority that Christian men think that they have over women. I went to a Christian wedding once and heard the preacher tell the bride-to-be that she had to ‘obey’ her husband. I about fell out of my chair and I know that an audible “uh-uh” came out of my mouth.
While I’m on this rant about Christians I want to respond to those who constantly refer to “Judeo-Christian values”. The only thing that Jews and Christians (as well as Muslims) have in common is the God of Abraham. Apparently a particularly nasty ‘fellow’ whose mood swings and thirst for blood could easily be diagnosed as sociopathic, if not completely psychopathic. The Jews’ God taught “an-eye-for-an-eye”. The Christians’ God taught “turn-the-other-cheek”. How do those two principles reconcile into one supposed value? Is this all from the same God? Let’s add schizophrenic to the list as well.
Another thing about this article that is irritating is Ms. Stan’s presumption that Ron Paul’s rejection and skepticism of the Israeli lobby is inconsistent with the views of progressives and liberals. Has she read Merscheimer & Walt or Finkelstein?
After noting what attracts progressives and liberals to Ron Paul, Ms. Stan emphasized points that purport to demonize him. But just what would attract us to Ron Paul even in the face of his alleged racist, misogynistic, anti-Semitic, homophobic and ultra-Christian views? Well, how about that he wants to stop killing those of another color, stop killing women, or those of any faith or sexual orientation in other countries. No other politician, especially your favorite occupant of the WH, has come remotely close to saying – bring them all home. We have no business killing people in another country just because they were unfortunate enough to have been born in a ‘war zone’. We have no business still occupying Japan and Germany. I’m convinced that the threat of Tojo and Hitler no longer exist in those places. On this point Ron Paul is also correct – we don’t need an American empire occupying the world. That is not an “isolationist” view. He also wants us out of these so-called ‘Free-Trade Agreements’. On the campaign trail Obama used to talk about getting us out of, or re-negotiating NAFTA & GATT. Anyone remember that? Now Obama wants MORE free trade; this time with S. Korea, Guatemala and Columbia. [We all know that Columbia enjoys impunity in assassinating its union leaders. It must be a capitalists’ wet dream down there.]
So Ms. Stan, your talking points, while persuasive when applied to any other candidate, doesn’t seem particularly convincing against someone brave enough to say ‘stop the killing’. Leave Iraq and Afghanistan NOW!
I’m a Socialist so ordinarily would have no interest in Ron Paul. Nevertheless, many of his views resonate with the public. Progressives and liberals are in a meaningless struggle to get Obama to lurch to the left. Why shouldn’t we be in a similarly meaningless struggle with Ron Paul if he would at least get us out of the wars (and out of the Fed, NAFTA and other oppressive tools of the capitalists)? He’s in his mid-seventies and wouldn’t be able to run for a second term. Then the political debate could focus on how ending the wars have saved taxpayer money, and what social programs we could fix with that money, and what new incoming administration could do that. I’m at the point that I would support a toad for president provided s/he could roll back this war empire.
WORD ! The debt of this unconstitutional federal government is roughly equal to the amount of $$ that has been spent on YOUR and MY implicit say so (by our failure to revolt in the streets, if necessary) .. in BOMBING women and children in Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq ... Every person maimed in our name makes the whole world less "safe" and especially makes the U.S. less safe; inspires more hatred; digs the U.S. deeper into debt. It is time to END IT, and that means Ron Paul -- as clearly the smooth LIAR Obama is a bigger warhawk than even Bush was !
I have always been astonished by the number of so-called progressives who claim to support Paul. I think it is symptomatic of an era in which people would rather succumb to one liners and spur of the moment decision making. Any thoughtful fact finding, as in this long overdue article and exposure clearly indicates, shows Paul to be the antithesis of what progressives stand for.
People easily (eagerly, it seems) misunderstand Ron Paul.
He is the only candidate (and one of VERY few politicians in federal office)..
who supports the U.S. Constitution.
Every one of people's objections to Ron Paul's positions, are due to that person's failure to understand what a Constitutional Republic of federated sovereign States is.
It is that simple.
Read up on the founding of the country, the Constitution & Bill of Rights.
According to my understanding of the law, Obama is a traitor, not merely a war-hawk, and I will gladly vote Ron Paul and gladly see a little bit of sanity in place of the idiotic notion that our deeply indebted government can borrow ever more to provide socialist services.. which are completely out of the bounds of our Constitutional SMALL Federal government. Social Security ? I've paid into it over the past 43yrs; I don't expect to see a cent from it, and I think it should be wound-down; the federal government was never intended to be an insurance company.
THINK what all the warhawking is doing ! DO YOU REALIZE that the national debt is roughly equivalent to the national military expenditures ?!
Are you proud to be bombing the living shit out of civilians in Libya, now that we're done with Afghanistan and Iraq ?
Wake up !
Amen! I hope the WISE in this forum will make use of the data reflected in this article, when the strange & mysterious "Ron Paul" contingent (that often attempts to dominate CD's threads) shows up to tell us all what a great guy this is to follow!
I sensed the uber: Christian views of this man, and what needs to be said (as Chris Hedges pointed out, as was similarly exposed by John Dean) is that this is not a group that tolerates differences. It is NOT possible to tolerate persons who intend to gain power to then use it to make YOUR life intolerable, especially if you don't toe the lines THEY seek to enforce.
There is NOTHING more dangerous than a people utterly convinced that it acts on the basis of God's will. And for such a spiritually-bankrupt, retrograde philosophy to take hold of power, and no ordinary power either, given that this nation is armed to the teeth... suggests an ominous fate, not one anyone who thinks of themselves as Progressive should willfully champion.
Instead of those in the forum who point out that Obama is a fraud (he is), and that the Democrats have come to serve the same interests as the "other" camp (they have), the only sane move is to grow a 3rd party... perhaps a new amalgam of all disaffected voters, comprised of people paying attention. These would be citizens who are against war, and realize the government has fallen into complicity with insidious business interests. It would include those who care about the environment, greener enery systems, and a sustainable future; and those who recognize that items like NAFTA were engineered to send jobs overseas. There is no shortage of areas of betrayed trust!
The matter of communication is the item standing in the way, given the control of media by the very forces that entirely intend to retain the current, disastrous status quo. One, as is seen in the case with the Canadian oil pipeline, that is LETHAL for humanity.
The largest body of citizens is probably that which realizes that both parties are full of shit. Thus the times are propitious for a grand coalition... necessity calls for its invention.
Asking intelligent readers of CD to see Ron Paul as the leader of that political migration is like asking slaves to remain in chains, and learn to obediently kiss their authoritarian masters asses.
Please...
Anyone who goes out of their way to claim to be "wise" likely isn't, remember the Buddha said if see the Buddha in the middle of the road kill him? Blowhard for irrationality, navel gazing, self promoter of STOLEN Native American actual wisdom, yes! "Wise?" Not so much...
I agree about Ron. He's all about privatization and that's what got us in this mess in the first place. Progressives might choose him because, guess what, he's the lesser of 25 or so evils. There is such an opportunity right now for someone jumping into this election who sees that the emperor is buck naked and willing to say it. With Facebook and whatnot, his or her message could get out there as the MSM probably wouldn't pick it up.
It seems to me, if there is an (R) or a (D) after the candidates name, they are not to be trusted. Rand Paul is a KOOK and was named after Ayn Rand and Ron Paul raised him "in his own image". Blech- perhaps the M$M does a favor by ignoring this twisted texass toadie.
Doesn't your skin crawl with revulsion when a senior citizen hates senior citizens, when a (usually closeted) homosexual hates homosexuals, when a black president hurts/"hates" his "adopted own" people, when an ob-gyn doctor hates women, and I could go on...
Rand Paul is gay? I didn't know that.
No, dummy, his father is the gay guy referred to ;-)
Actually, in order they are: Ron Paul, Rick Perry, Barrak Obama, then Ron Paul again. Like I wrote, the list could roll on and on. I wondered if it was just sad or pathetic and have concluded that it is both.
This was meant as a joke on a contradiction in terms - the gay (not bi-) biological father: highlighting the other self-contradictions in the vilifying of Ron Paul. The original article's condemnation by association seemed to have no end, and were preciously little germane: might not a supporter of the JBS have anything right (ahem... ;-) to contribute? Isn't recognition that all sides eventually have elements to contribute to make a sane whole in spite of detail-disagreements, the basis of a democratic system - or has that been lost now in the divisive political atmosphere? - Next one might expect accusations that Ron Paul in addition to delivering babies is eating them... No - wait, that's jews. Or communists - or was it Saddam Hussein?
SLIM: Hate is related to fear, and Ron Paul fears what he cannot personally control. There are people who are naturally conservative, and they really fear change. They want tomorrow's world to look just like it did yesterday, and the way to insure that is to make sure that only people like one's self (male, Caucasian, Christian) get a SAY in what will be. They totally believe in one size fits all and are rigid to the max! The racism, sexism, and age-ism revealed by Paul is so unlike anything Love would do. Love allows creative expression, where fear nips it all right in the bud.
The authoritarian mindset wants strict rules decided by a father figure. As some writers have sagely related, they are to Amerika what the Taliban is to Afghanistan. To ask such a "tribal" leader to assume power is sickening to me.
Many fail short on the empathy scale, so they imagine that what's good for them (white, Caucasian, Christian) is good for everyone else. No other voices or perspectives need be heard or considered. The irony is the degree to which Obama, a half-Black man, has enacted this behavior. He, too, is either a natural authoritarian, or enough of a political opportunist to sell out the majority of the nation, for his own small advantaged group.
A society that looks backwards and fails to grow is already spiritually dead. I shudder at the thought that so many would see in Ron Paul a leader. Truly, the same stance of despair that overtook so many of the German people in going along with the fuhrer, is in place in this nation. Now the "leader" wears a less ostensible uniform, and hasn't asked for the death of outsiders... but on symbolic levels, a loss of access to sovereignty is a fate almost as restricting as death itself. What would Patrick Henry say... or do?
I understand the warnings - this article insults my intelligence on that one - and, I do NOT want to get in a flame war here - but Obama and the Dems and Bush and the Repubs were and are mass murders - oh that's right - they mostly only kill foreigners but they are good to american gays and women.
A case could be made that stopping the wars is the number one priority right now because if we dont, this country will be bankrupt and destroyed.
However, let's ask ourselves how many Americans are having there lives destroyed because the MIC, the Imperial agenda and the Wall Street gang are sucking them into poverty and destitution. Think about the number of suicides in the armed forces, as but one example.
I will gladly vote Green or Progressive for president, as I will for Senator, Congress, local etc. But I see no harm in registering as a republican to vote for Paul in the repub primary for the purpose of PUTTING THESE MURDEROUS WARS AT THE FOREFRONT OF A NATIONAL DEBATE.
Also, "progressives" often dont understand that the PRIVATE Federal Reserve is at the heart of the Wall Street organized crime syndicate, and so, Paul is once again on the right side of the two MAJOR factors destroying this country - Wall Street and the Military-Industrial Complex and its Imperial agenda.
He aint gonna get the repub nomination and if he did he wouldnt win anyway, but he will open up the debate bigtime. And maybe he can shame those running and in office for NOT opposing these murderous wars.
Your post reflects both a False Choice
and
likely False Premise.
Are you such a 3rd grade history student, of the ilk that you believe George Washington did not chop down the cherry tree because he couldn't tell a lie, as to believe that:
A. The Prez gets to entirely call the shots, especially with respect to foreign policy
B. That a Hydra like the U.S. MIC is going to let a Prez stop the wars?
Your argument is based on assaulting those of us who don't trust Paul, by suggesting that by not jumping onto his sexist, racist, corporatist bandwagon... we therefore support war. It's a pretty insidious way to damn the "opposition," or shame them into a dangerous form of consent!
I used to respect you and your stated opinions, and I defended you when others made light of the metaphysical experiences you related in this forum. I can't believe that a person who HAD such experiences would narrow their thought process to such a rigid either-or context; but then I've been given cause to believe that a group of posters here ALL make use of the same screen names. This makes their stated positions so chameleon-like as to make it difficult to pin any of them down as distinct entities. Otherwise, they are schizophrenic in relating one set of sensibilities in one thread, and reversing (or seeming to reverse) it in another.
Tell it to the marines...
Popular presidents have little power. Only that given by their corporate masters. We may think Bush was powerful, but that's only because he WAS a corporate master.
Dick Cheney was more powerful the George W. Bush.
"I used to respect you and your stated opinions, and I defended you when others made light of the metaphysical experiences you related in this forum."
Translation: "It's payback time, dude! - Let go your independent thinking and come to heel: my opinions are all you're allowed!"
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"I've been given cause to believe that a group of posters here ALL make use of the same screen names."
- A bit like presidents 41 and 43 using the same name, while pretending to be different people, though we all know they were really the same people - they were even at the post using the same name. Same with president 42 and the current state secretary: same screen name, different faces, but same people all the same. - When you look into it, the few Bushes and Clintons appear to be all over the place, but that's only because they're really big group-personalities... Exactly how they do it is a well guarded secret - send $ 20 to "B Smarter, 1600 Pennsylvania ave, Washington D.C., DC 20500, USA", and you may be told how it's done... Hint: it's similar to how the posters here posting under the same name do it - 'Siouxrose' has seen through that screen, too. (There's actually a huge black market in CommonDreams nicks, soon to be traded on the Chicago Commodites Market, if that's not undermined now by Siouxrose's revelation.) Just read the "Oversoul seven"-trilogy to get info on the real deal: we're all seven people (at least). And some of us don't even have Mars in the Main House - and our Ascendancy isn't quite aligned. Only maligned.
We need to stop the wars like... yesterday. We need a total debate - NOW! My reasoning is thus:Ron Paul is for all practical purposes a 3rd party candidate because of his sustained opposition to Empire, war and Wall Street. Well, dont we want to support 3rd party candidates? Kucinich and Nader have talked about a Progressive-Libertarian-and/or-Paul coalition as has the website antiwar.com, so why am I being unfairly and inaccurately vilified?
No, i am not part of any Paul contingent posting here under different screen names. In fact, I rarely post. I am just posting an alternative perspective - you are reading way too much into it and missing what i said: let's force a national conversation THIS election on wars and the whole Imperial policy thing.
Need I remind you that true spirituality is beyond left/right povs? Stopping the wars and the destruction of this country might give us the wealth (saved) and the time to prepare for the REAL Big cause behind or problems - peak oil and resource depletion. I repeat, stopping the wars is the number one priority, which is my main point.
Paul and all of them are small potatoes - I am looking at the larger Big Picture from the standpoint of the evolution of consciousness because without that, humanity will enter a Dark Age - there is no ultimate solution through politics. I am simply looking at things strategically.
Dont let your mind get away with you - I havent really changed my main orientation. Relax, ok? : )
Well said and I hope SR is alright. I miss the good discussions I used to have with her. CD just isn't the same without her. Sad.
I like a lot of Sioux Rose's spiritual perspective, it's very much needed. I deplore the fact that a lot of progressives throw out the baby with the bathwater by rejecting true spirituality in their opposition to rigid authoritarian religion.
Basically - to be up front about myself and to assure Sioux - I am a psychedelic Gaian Mutant Anarchist monday, wednesday and friday, a Mahayayna Buddhist tuesday, thursday and saturday and a sceptical agnostic on sundays.
Thanks for the kind response and I appreciate it. I have nothing against SR's spiritual beliefs and perspectives. Do I agree with it? Some of it I agree with and some of it I don't but I never disrespect any of it. I would appreciate it if she would kindly point out where it is she disagrees and what specifically she thinks I don't get about whatever it is and have an intelligent and cordial conversation on it. She and I used to have all that even on bigger disagreements but nowadays, it seems to be all too different. Anyone reading my posts would find out that I almost fully agree with her even on issues such as feminism. I couldn't care less about anyone's personas but I just like to discuss issues and use this forum to continue learning and sharing. Like you said, we shouldn't be throwing out the baby with the bathwater and that we should be spiritually open-minded and tolerant while maintaining our opposition to authoritarianism. It's very sad to see some falling for the authoritarian trap by getting as just hostile and exclusive against anyone even with the slightest of disagreements as the authoritarian types they claim to oppose. Thanks again for the kind reply and best of luck to you.
Define "left". Define "right". I'm curious of your definition, given your support of Paul.
"However, let's ask ourselves how many Americans are having there lives destroyed because the MIC, the Imperial agenda and the Wall Street gang are sucking them into poverty and destitution. Think about the number of suicides in the armed forces, as but one example."
Ron Paul has absolutely no problem with the WS gang sucking people into destitution. His entire political philosophy is based on the idea that gov must protect capital and property rights above all else. Ron Paul is extremely pro capitalism.
The Federal Reserve is the key issue that I don't hear enough about (hardly anything at all) on CD. People need to educate themselves on the criminal nature of this enterprise.
It's in the archives although I dunno about the last few months since I've been on and off a lot.
re [Ron Paul] He, too, is either a natural authoritarian, or enough of a political opportunist to sell out the majority of the nation, for his own small advantaged group.
'Right' you are Siouxrose.. According to political compass which 'classifies' politicians into a right/left economic and north/south social dimension according to their speeches, writings, votes in congress, Ron Paul is in the 'right authoritarian' quadrant right along with Obama, Hillary, and a host of other republican candidates running for president back in 2008...
see political compass graphic chart below:
http://politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries_2008.png
Slimshady, I admire your logic and eloquence. Did you by any chance have any formal physics training, like 4 courses from a bonafide eccentric at a small "christian" college? Martin
I am a ramblin' wreck from Georgia Tech. It would probably have been entertaining to have instruction from a bonafide eccentric, but I would never have fit in at a small x-ian college!
One of my favorite students used to use the handle "slimshady" for her posts; and the last time I talked to her, her politics were heading in your direction. Sorry for the confusion.
Cool! No need to apologize and since you must be the prof that you were referring to, I am certain that I would have indeed enjoyed your class! Also, glad to hear that my female sLiMsHaDy counterpart is on the same political wavelength as I am!
Take it E Z :)
Yes the corporate media biases are almost always accurate aren't they? They never serve the MIC and banks interests do they?
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