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5 Reasons Progressives Should Treat Ron Paul with Extreme Caution
He's anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-black, anti-senior-citizen, anti-equality and anti-education, and that's just the start.
There are few things as maddening in a maddening political season as the warm and fuzzy feelings some progressives evince for Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, the Republican presidential candidate. "The anti-war Republican," people say, as if that's good enough.
But Ron Paul is much, much more than that. He's the anti-Civil-Rights-Act Republican. He's an anti-reproductive-rights Republican. He's a gay-demonizing Republican. He's an anti-public education Republican and an anti-Social Security Republican. He's the John Birch Society's favorite congressman. And he's a booster of the Constitution Party, which has a Christian Reconstructionist platform. So, if you're a member of the anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-black, anti-senior-citizen, anti-equality, anti-education, pro-communist-witch-hunt wing of the progressive movement, I can see how he'd be your guy.
Paul first drew the attention of progressives with his vocal opposition to the invasion of Iraq. Coupled with the Texan's famous call to end the Federal Reserve, that somehow rendered him, in the eyes of the single-minded, the GOP's very own Dennis Kucinich. Throw in Paul's opposition to the drug war and his belief that marriage rights should be determined by the states, and Paul seemed suitable enough to an emotionally immature segment of the progressive movement, a wing populated by people with privilege adequate enough to insulate them from the nasty bits of the Paul agenda. (Tough on you blacks! And you, women! And you, queers! And you, old people without money.)
Ron Paul's anti-war stance, you see, comes not from a cry for peace, but from the deeply held isolationism of the far right. Some may say that, when it comes to ending the slaughter of innocents, the ends justify the means. But, in the case of Ron Paul, the ends involve trading the rights and security of a great many Americans for the promise of non-intervention.
Here's a list -- by no means comprehensive -- of Ron Paul positions and associates that should explain, once and for all, why no self-respecting progressive could possibly sidle up to Paul.
1) Ron Paul on Race
Based on his religious adherence to his purportedly libertarian principles, Ron Paul opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Unlike his son, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., Ron Paul has not even tried to walk back from this position. In fact, he wears it proudly. Here's an excerpt from Ron Paul's 2004 floor speech about the Civil Rights Act, in which he explains why he voted against a House resolution honoring the 40th anniversary of the law:
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business's workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge's defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife.
He also said this: "[T]he forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty."
Ron Paul also occasionally appears at events sponsored by the John Birch Society, the segregationist right-wing organization that is closely aligned with the Christian Reconstructionist wing of the religious right.
In 2008, James Kirchick brought to light in the pages of the New Republic a number of newsletters with Paul's name in the title -- Ron Paul's Freedom Report, Ron Paul Political Report, The Ron Paul Survival Report, and The Ron Paul Investment Letter -- that contained baldly racist material, which Paul denied writing.
At NewsOne, Casey Gane-McCalla reported a number of these vitriolic diatribes, including this, on the L.A. riots after the Rodney King verdict: "Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began.”
In a related piece, Jon C. Hopwood of Yahoo!'s Associated Content cites a Reuters report on Paul's response to the TNR story, which came in the form of a written statement:
The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.... I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.
2) Ron Paul on Reproductive Rights
The sponsor of a bill to overturn Roe v. Wade, Ron Paul's libertarianism does not apply to women, though it does apply to zygotes. His is a no-exceptions anti-abortion position, essentially empowering a rapist to sire a child with a woman of his choosing. Although Paul attributes his stance on abortion to his background as an ob-gyn physician, it should be noted that most ob-gyns are pro-choice, and that Paul's draconian position tracks exactly with that of his Christian Reconstructionist friends.
While mainstream media, when they're not busy ignoring his presidential campaign in favor of the badly trailing former Utah Gov. John Huntsman, invariably focus on Paul's economic libertarianism, Sarah Posner, writing for the Nation, noted that during his appearances leading up to the Iowa straw poll (in which Paul finished second only to Rep. Michele Bachmann, Minn., by a 200-vote margin), "launched into gruesome descriptions of abortion, a departure from his stump speech focused on cutting taxes, shutting down the Federal Reserve, getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan and repealing the Patriot Act."
3) Ron Paul on LGBT People
While it's true that Paul advocates leaving it to the states to determine whether same-sex marriages should be legally recognized, it's not because he's a friend to LGBT people. Paul's position on same-sex marriage stems from his beliefs about the limits of the federal government's role vis-a-vis his novel interpretation of the Constitution.
In fact, a newsletter called the Ron Paul Poltiical Report, unearthed by Kirchick, shows Paul on a rant against a range of foes and conspiracies, including "the federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS," to which Paul parenthetically adds, "my training as a physician helps me see through this one." The passage, which also portends a "coming race war in our big cities," complains of the "perverted" and "pagan" annual romp for the rich and powerful known as Bohemian Grove, and takes aim at the "demonic" Skull and Bones Society at Yale, not to mention the "Israeli lobby," begins with the paranoid claim, "I've been told not to talk, but these stooges don't scare me."
While Paul denied, in 2001, writing most of the scurrilous material that ran, without attribution, in newsletters that bore his name in the title, this passage, according to Jon Hopwood, bears Paul's byline.
4) Ron Paul Calls Social Security Unconstitutional, Compares it to Slavery
Earlier this year, in an appearance on "Fox News Sunday," Paul declared both Social Security and Medicare to be unconstitutional, essentially saying they should be abolished for the great evil that they are -- just like slavery. Here's the transcript, via ThinkProgress:
["FOX NEWS SUNDAY" HOST CHRIS] WALLACE: You talk a lot about the Constitution. You say Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid are all unconstitutional.
PAUL: Technically, they are. … There’s no authority [in the Constitution]. Article I, Section 8 doesn't say I can set up an insurance program for people. What part of the Constitution are you getting it from? The liberals are the ones who use this General Welfare Clause. … That is such an extreme liberal viewpoint that has been mistaught in our schools for so long and that's what we have to reverse—that very notion that you're presenting.
WALLACE: Congressman, it's not just a liberal view. It was the decision of the Supreme Court in 1937 when they said that Social Security was constitutional under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution.
PAUL: And the Constitution and the courts said slavery was legal, too, and we had to reverse that.
5) Ron Paul, Christian Reconstructionists and the John Birch Society
The year 2008 was a telling one in the annals of Ron Paul's ideology. For starters, it was the year in which he delivered the keynote address at the 50th anniversary gala of the John Birch Society, the famous anti-communist, anti-civil-rights organization hatched in the 1950s by North Carolina candy magnate Robert Welch, with the help of Fred Koch, founder of what is now Koch Industries, and a handful of well-heeled friends. The JBS is also remembered for its role in helping to launch the 1964 presidential candidacy of the late Sen. Barry Goldwater, R-Ariz., and for later backing the segregationist Alabama Gov. George Wallace in his 1968 third-party presidential bid.
The semi-secular ideology of the John Birch Society -- libertarian market and fiscal theory laced with flourishes of cultural supremacy -- finds its religious counterpart, as Fred Clarkson noted, in the theonomy of Christian Reconstructionism, the right-wing religious-political school of thought founded by Rousas John Rushdoony. The ultimate goal of Christian Reconstructionists is to reconstitute the law of the Hebrew Bible -- which calls for the execution of adulterers and men who have sex with other men -- as the law of the land. The Constitution Party constitutes the political wing of Reconstructionism, and the CP has found a good friend in Ron Paul.
When Paul launched his second presidential quest in 2008, he won the endorsement of Rev. Chuck Baldwin, a Baptist pastor who travels in Christian Reconstructionist circles, though he is not precisely a Reconstructionist himself (for reasons having to do with his interpretation of how the end times will go down). When Paul dropped out of the race, instead of endorsing Republican nominee John McCain, or even Libertarian Party nominee Bob Barr, Paul endorsed Constitution Party nominee Chuck Baldwin (who promised, in his acceptance speech, to uphold the Constitution Party platform, which looks curiously similar to the Ron Paul agenda, right down to the no-exceptions abortion proscription and ending the Fed).
At his shadow rally that year in Minneapolis, held on the eve of the Republican National Convention, Paul invited Constitution Party founder Howard Phillips, a Christian Reconstructionist, to address the crowd of end-the-Fed-cheering post-pubescents. (In his early congressional career, Julie Ingersoll writes in Religion Dispatches, Paul hired as a staffer Gary North, a Christian Reconstructionist leader and Rushdoony's son-in-law.)
At a "Pastor's Forum" at Baldwin's Baptist church in Pensacola, Florida, Paul was asked by a congregant about his lack of support for Israel, which many right-wing Christians support because of the role Israel plays in what is known as premillennialist end-times theology. "Premillennialist" refers to the belief that after Jesus returns, according to conditions on the ground in Israel, the righteous will rule. But Christian Reconstructionists have a different view, believing the righteous must first rule for 1,000 years before Jesus will return.
They also believe, according to Clarkson, "that 'the Christians' are the 'new chosen people of God,' commanded to do what 'Adam in Eden and Israel in Canaan failed to do...create the society that God requires.' Further, Jews, once the 'chosen people,' failed to live up to God's covenant and therefore are no longer God's chosen. Christians, of the correct sort, now are."
Responding to Baldwin's congregant, Paul explained, "I may see it slightly differently than others because I think of the Israeli government as different than what I read about in the Bible. I mean, the Israeli government doesn't happen to be reflecting God's views. Some of them are atheist, and their form of government is not what I would support... And there are some people who interpret the chosen people as not being so narrowly defined as only the Jews -- that maybe there's a broader definition of that."
At the John Birch Society 50th anniversary gala, Ron Paul spoke to another favorite theme of the Reconstructionists and others in the religious right: that of the "remnant" left behind after evil has swept the land. (Gary North's publication is called The Remnant Review.) In a dispatch on Paul's keynote address, The New American, the publication of the John Birch Society, explained, "He claimed that the important role the JBS has played was to nurture that remnant and added, 'The remnant holds the truth together, both the religious truth and the political truth.'"
Is there a progressive willing to join that fold?
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Show AllAn unsettling number of people who are leftist, liberal, progressive jumped on the Ron Paul bandwagon last election because his anti-military intervention positions seemed to make him "one of us." He isn't He is Right Wing Libertarian to the core and would, if put in a position of more power than he has now, work hard to eliminate government programs, especially safety net programs such as Social Security.
Listen to his son Rand who is nowhere near as skilled at finely honed language and whose positions are out there for all to see and hear. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
So do you have any other anti-military intervention candidates in mind?
I hope that you would look at the COMPLETE package,,,
We also need a few articles like "5 reasons progressives should treat Obama, Bernie Sanders, Russ Feingold, and Nader with extreme caution."
Slimshady, weren't you an A+ physics student? MK
I would have to agree.
re. We also need a few articles like "5 reasons progressives should treat Obama, Bernie Sanders, Russ Feingold, and Nader with extreme caution."
Are you jesting? Why would you lump a moderate conservative right wing authoritarian like Obama in with at least 2 Libertarian Socialists [as Chomsky calls himself] or Social Libertarians like I refer to myself and Nader and Bernie Sanders are to the core?
OK, here's some to add to the package: civil liberties and corporate welfare. With a libertarian like Ron Paul, you will have someone who will end the American imperialism that's been going on for 100 years and slaughtered millions of people, will repeal the Patriot Act and probably make protection of civil liberties stronger than they've ever been in any country in the entire history of mankind and will go after the banks that have really been ruling the world for centuries. And yet, a few little gossipy smears about how he's a bit of a cultural conservative is enough to not want that sort of change. Not to pick on you but some of the comments in this thread really make me realize why the world is so screwed up. People are so easily fooled. You're right, look at the whole package and don't just let a superficial smear affect your thinking.
Sorry Will but this is where Paul falls apart. He's pro-civil liberties selectively so but when it comes to women, he isn't for civil liberties. Giving states the power to pass rightwing legislation deemed otherwise unconstitutional is morally reprehensible of Paul and an abuse of power. As for corporate welfare, true, Paul says no to bailing out corporate goons but he's not for preventing corporate disasters as his support for "free market" shows. True, he has expressed his opposition to rigging the markets and misnaming them as "free" unlike most "free market" advocates but he too supported too many corporate giveaways based on his legislative record. Ron Paul is no Ralph Nader.
Easily fooled?
Are you talking about yourself?
Paul is an extreme right winger. Much further to the right than Bush 2, or Obama. Paul's entire political ideology is based on the idea that gov should exist only to protect capital / property rights.
But you have to include in that statement that he is a staunch opponent of the central bank / Fiat currency system that we have right now. Learn about the (privately owned) Federal Reserve and think about who would be the real losers if Ron Paul had his way.
You would also have to include in that statement that he wants to do away with the entire concept of central banks.
Are you pro central banks that in the U.S. system are owned and operated at a profit by private bankers? You really are wrong about EVERYTHING, aren't you rfloh?
It's nice that Paul wants to abolish the Federal Reserve, but he seems to lack an understanding of money system fundamentals.
The key issue is not whether money is fiat or backed by metal, but who is creating the money. Currently, the banksters get an extraordinary stealth subsidy in that they get to create our money supply as debt (and charge interest on it). The federal gov't should be creating its own money. If it did, we wouldn't be crippled by an avalanche of public and private debt.
“After much soul-searching, I decided to support Obama in the primary.” (Adele M. Stan, in her ‘Obama as Savior’ article, Dec. 18, 2009.)
“after much researching of his actual work record history... obama received no vote from me”... (this commenter)...
That's nearly 2 years ago but there's no telling what she says now of Obama so we'll have to assume the same I guess.
Adelle strikes me as a democratic apologist through and through.
She is also quite the little zionist propagandist, with the insinuation that there is something nutty about opposing the Israeli Lobby. She also takes Paul to task for his "lack of support" for Israel.
I don't much care for Paul, but the likes of Adelle have been muddying the political waters for decades with their underhanded zionist propaganda.
A pox on the both of them!
I read Stan's articles on Alternet for years. She'll write like a DLC apologist and has yet to ever change that aside from her being more subtle about it. A zionist shill she isn't to my knowledge. One can support Israel without supporting the zionists. Palestinians should regain control of Israel but we all know that ain't likely to happen anytime soon.
Adelle's dismisses criticism of the "Israeli Lobby" as another part of Paul's program that we can't trust. This makes her a zionist shill, as she is purposely using propagnadistic tactics to promote the false idea that the Isreali Lobby's power is a kook's fantasy.
This may be an attempt by a so-called 'progressive' talking head, to keep progressives voters who are fed up w Imperialism & War, Bankster Bail-outs & the FED, & The roll-out of police-state type programs & tactics [first ramped-up under the Bush / Cheney / Rumsfeld / Condi Rice - Repugs & now kept in place by the Obama / Billary / Holder / Susan Rice - Dims {= COG- Continuity of Gov't]- from even considering Ron Paul as an alternative to Barak Obama if a Kucinich / Feingold / Cynthia McKinney type doesn't run [Sanders & Nader have already indicated they won't] - Thus keeping the 'left' flank in-line w Obama & the Dems. So because Obama supports so-called abortion rights [point 2] & gay marriage [point 3] & Paul likely doesn't - for this author thats the main consideration that matters -&- thus she calls Paul 'anti-woman'. However by this same logic someone who is pro-abortion could be called 'anti-child / anti-infant'! The unspoken objective seems to be- keep everyone boxed into choosing between the 'main-stream' Dim [Obama] vs the 'main-stream' Repugs [likely Romney or Perry].- insuring that nothing substantially changes [Oh there may be some cosmetic differences]!
NOTE: Points-1 & 5 are not so subtle attempts to suggest Ron Paul is an under-cover Southern Evangelical Racist type. And No doubt he's no Rev Dr ML-King [but then neither is Obama] but he's certainly NO J Edgar Hoover, George Wallace, George Waterboard Bush, Rush Limbaugh or Glen Beck either [personally I think Paul's about as much a racist as is Joe Biden, Joe Lieberman, or Harry Reid]! But its easier to accuse Paul [an older white guy from TX] of being a racist, than say a bi-racial Obama - even though Obama ain't done very much for Black, Brown, poor or working class folks [in-fact he hardly even mentions them]- since becoming Pres. Furthermore Obama's continuations of the US' Imperialist Neo-colonial WARS in- Iraq, Af-Pak, Libya, Somalia, etc- backing Coups against legitimate 3rd World Gov'ts [IE: Haiti's Pres Aristide, Honduran Pres Zelaya]- along w continuing the Phony {& inherently anti-Islamic} War on Terror Paradigm- Is Inherently & Institutionally RACIST!
Point-4 Says Paul is against Soc-Sec, Medicare, Depts of Ed / Agriculture- etc. This is likely valid [which I disagree w him on] since Paul's for limited Gov't. But then Obama has begun what Bush tried & failed - an assault on mis-labeled so-called 'entitlement' progs [IE; Sec-Sec, Medicare, etc] - w his Deficit {chicken}Hawk Commission & recent 'Grand Austerity Bargain' w the Repugs, -&- continued Bush's NCLB assault on Public Education & teachers [who are mostly women] w Obama / Duncan's RTTT. Plus currently the Dept of Agriculture has been co-opted by Monsanto & ADM type lobbyist & insiders -&- the FDA by Big Pharma types lobbyist & insiders, etc, etc, etc.
PS: Its interesting that this so-called 'feminist' author critiques Ron Paul on his alleged criticisms of the exclusive & secretive Bohemian Grove & Skull & Bones Societies. Key members of the Bush family dynasty including Prescott, GHW-Sr & Bush Jr along w their distant cousin John Kerry are all ‘Skull & Bones Men’ -&- Every GOP Pres since 1920 has been a member of the Bohemian Grove- both of which are EXCLUSIVE MALE BASTIONS for the Power Elites - MEANING NO WOMEN ALLOWED!
A post outside the rigid little DIm=left (not, they are corporatist right wing) and mainstream Repigliecon=right and those are the only two choices, and we MUST fight over culture wars issues, so expect to be ignored here by the people who criticize Obomber for now, but many of whom are psyching themselves to go through the DIm gate of the slaughterhouse.
I suggest California Representative Barbara Lee, the only member of Congress to vote against war on Afghanistan after the 9/11/01 terrorism, and a consistent opponent of all our wars and war spending.
She is a progressive African-American representing Oakland, California.
I have called her office to encourage her to primary Obama, or even run as a Third Party candidate, but only received a polite thank you from one of her staff members.
Well? Doesnt that 'polite thank-you" tell you all you need to know? Why doesnt she and others like her openly oppose the wars as stridently as Paul does but from a PROGRESSIVE point of view? She obviously isnt losing too much sleep from all the mass murder going on or the fact that the country is being economically destroyed by the MIC and the banksters. Why doesnt she take a freakin stand and call what the US elites are doing mass murder?
Why doesnt she OPENLY denounce Obama as a traitor to humanity and this country, just like all the rest of the MIC, Wall Street and their paid whores in government? I guess mass murder isnt a big enough deal to force real Straight Talk. She should be ashamed of the fact that there are no Democrats loudly denouncing Obama and loudly proclaiming the need for progressive democrats - if there are any - to join together and oppose Obama's re-election. they've let Paul steal the anti-war thunder and they have no one but themselves to blame. She SHOULD feel ashamed about that.
KITAJ: An article can only cover so much. You have NO idea where the author is at on these items, so you're taking a real leap of arrogance to suggest as much. And as I predicted, the Ron Paul groupies would arrive to do their best to allot the forum a False Choice.
Because we recognize Paul for the dangerous demagogue that he is, hardly means that we applaud or support either Obama or the Democrats.
It's time for the two-party monopoly, like a structure whose infrastructure has begun to ostensibly rot from within, to come apart so that there is ROOM made for OTHER to replace the current illusory players.
I answered you below. I will only add here that it would NOT be difficult for the writer of this article to state that given that almost all the candidates support the MIC and therefore mass murder that it is UNDERSTANDABLE that many - including Nader
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/22/ron-paul-ralph-nader-agree-on-progressive-libertarian-alliance/
- support a Progressive-Libertarian alliance.
Here's Kucinich talking about working with Ron Paul.
http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-09-13/ron-paul-and-dennis-kucinich-allies-against-war/
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The alliance you want is ridiculous, and would never work, unless you are a single issue person, unless the one and only thing that matters to you is the wars.
Don't forget about the (racist) war on drugs which Ron Paul openly opposes.
Do you care to give a reason why it would never work? The fact that anarchists, Greens, Libertarians, and the democratic socialist left are having so fruitful dialogs terrifies fundamentalist progs/liberals doesn't it? Oh no, I used your favorite smear against you, how tragic!
See we are all communicating on this little thing called the internet on a site called Facebook, maybe you've heard of it?
Nader doesn't suggest VOTING for a republican or Ron Paul, because Ron Paul is still a right wing authoritarian only 'leaning' libertarian and he merely suggests an alliance amongst politicians from a "convergence of liberals, progressives and libertarian conservatives in the wake of a worsening financial crisis and dogged partisanship that's put the government into gridlock."
"Longtime American politics gadfly Ralph Nader, a man of many ideas almost diametrically opposed by most libertarian conservatives" doesn't suggest or support voting for right libertarian leaning republican candidate Ron Paul anywhere that I'm of..
BTW SR, ever read Illuminatus? One of the greatest novels ever written, it is a psychedelic-pagan-anarchist-libertarian-Goddess-oriented guidebook to human liberation and the real lowdown on the 60s counter-culture revolution. I totally recommend it to EVERYONE on this website. It is a real Intelligence Test, and best of all, after reading it you will understand who the REAL Illuminati is (most conspiracy theorists dont know, but I dont want to give away the plot).
And, as per the book within that book, the Principia Discordia, I happen to be a worshipper of Eris, Goddess of Chaos, a loyal devotee and operative.
However, spirituality at its highest levels goes beyond left/right. Many here cannot accept it, but evolution is Nature's Yoga, and the way things are on this planet are just one of Nature's experiments, including things like Hiroshima, concentration camps and all the rest. Nature - the multidimensional Cosmos - is beyond "good" and "evil" and human morality, and so on the highest level, things are alway absolutely Perfect...just as they are. A hard pill to swallow, but no way around it.
Because left purism and sanctimony is more important than ACTUALLY saving third world lives from imperialist slaughter by voting fro the only electable anti empire canditate isn't it?
It's more than a little ironic IMO that I got dinged as a "racist," for even daring to suggest that discussing unlimited fertility is a good idea, yet many here will either vote for Obama, or a third party candidate who WILL lose and thus assure Obomber or a mainstream Republican win which will actually cause third world people to DIE in continuing U.S. wars of aggression solely to *feel* all pure and mighty, shame on you! THAT is why a politics of the heart and spirit, and not of rationality, can actually be quite literally murderous to innocent third world people in the middle east. But hey, heaven (non existent) forbid Ron Paul insult Israel or call for cutting off funding to the ZIonist child murdering land thieves there.
Sigh!
As I thought.
You're a right winger.
I am an anarchist, and as an anarchist I have problems with BOTH old school left state centralism, AND capitalism, but I keep forgetting a two variable analysis is utterly beyond your limited thinking skills Like many rigid ideologs for you there is only black or white, no shades of grey. Of course I am the "fundamentalist atheist" (oxymoron) eh Mr. fundamentalist state centralist leftist, hmmm? If you are trying to convert me to your rigid intolerant world view you are utterly failing, keep up the good work!
BTW I will be voting for Greens locally and the state level, and my campaign bumper sticker idea for Paul is Ron Paul 2012 The anti war corporate whore! But I forget for anal rigid ideologs humor isn't an option. Must be grim being you!
Enjoy the company of whites only Libertarians who do not subscribe to entitlements for those who need it the most but happily seek to end regulations on the very corporations that have made us a third world nation.
Dupe.
Whites only, pffft fail Your average Ron Paul meetup is more diverse than your average peace march, talk about a bunch of old white people!
You have never been to a libertarian rally I suspect, nor read, with any degree of understanding, the credo of that "I got mine, screw you" political party.
Re-read the article and try hard to comprehend all those big words. Your ageism bothers me not, your stupidity however does.
You are right I have never been to a Ron Paul meet up but I have watched the youtube videos, and they are generally more racially diverse than the Ann Arbor peace group meetings I HAVE been too, sorry but that's empirical reality, shrug.
And yes despite your condescension I do understand Paul is very wrong on economics so is ANYONE who will ACTUALLY win as President, of people who will actually win Paul is the only one against war and police state, so IF the Repigliecons nominate him, he'll get my vote. Otherwise I'll go for straight ticket Greens, who are you voting for Oily Bomber?
Your so-called evidence reeks, I have much knowledge of Libertarian politics, learned the old fashioned way,( by reading , remember that form?) and know it to be all about protecting what they have from all these "others". Have fun on Youtube with all the other mouth breathers. What a source for political information! Is it any wonder we are in the mess we find ourselves when so-called pundits use a media for the expression of teen age angst ( at least here in America) to adopt political opinions.
Oh, and by the by, I voted Nader in the last three national elections. Your stupidity is made even more obvious by such a stupid comment. Trying to insult by speaking to something you couldnt possibly know makes you out rather clearly to be an ass.
Don't assume anything fool ,I voted for Nader in 96 and 2000. I have read political philosophy (yes in books printed on paper) from Chomsky to Naomi Klein. I know Paul is disastrously wrong on his foolish Austrian school economic theories and would cause GREAT SUFFERING here, and you know what I just don't care anymore, Americans deserve great suffering IMO for bolstering up a vile corporate war mongering empire. II the choice is Americans suffering to ACTUALLY save third world lives that is a choice I am willing to make. As George Carlin said the American public sucks, fuck hope! Oh and fuck your ASSumption I know nothing about it you condescending center right "liberal" jerk. I have been arrested for activism, have you? Don't weasel, and answer the question!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efKguI0NFek
Its a real pity you fail utterly to see how foolish your bullshit makes you out to be. After admitting no understanding of libertarian politics you claim expertise because you once watched a fifteen second Youtube video..Oh my gosh a degree in political stupidity!
My political resume has been noted on this forum on several occasions I see no need to repeat it for an obvious liar like you, maybe when you mature and become useful to someone for something. Here you are simply useless and get in the way of real discussion. Your total contribution turns out, after much effort to get at it, to be that we all deserve libertarians in office! Could you be any more useless?
A link to a George Carlin show, how erudite....where is the link to your evocative libertarian rallies that show our black and yellow brothers and sisters dancing with all those selfish white libertarian assholes?
Look you noxious condescending statist bore, I have read the Austrian school economics Paul bases his economic views on and disagree with them. I however agree with his views on ending the empire of bases, rolling back the prison system, and ending the banker and profiteering for bankster Federal Reserve.
The fact that a Paul vote will frustrate center right NPR listening "liberals" with neatly trimmed beards like you is only an extra added bonus. There is nothing whiter than an NPR fund raiser BTW, lots of selfish boorish assholes there too with their "tote bags."
Because the libertarians are much more consistent in their opposition to war than anyone on the left. The left cares about big government and is willing to ignore war if they like some other programs which is essentially what this article is saying. You notice it doesn't argue that progressives are better at opposing war but just that people should focus on other issues instead. How nice huh? This is true historically as well as today. And libertarians do oppose war just as much for ethical reasons as economic reasons. Here's some examples:
Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the U.S. Terror State
http://lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory232.html
Some Neglected Questions on the Attempted Fort Hood Attack
http://lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory230.html
From Waco to Libya: 18 Years of Humanitarian Mass Murder
http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory210.html
On War, Obama Worse Than Bush
http://lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory237.html
Anthony Gregory for anyone who doesn't know is the current editor of Campaign for Liberty, Ron Paul's political organization.
While the Libertarian Party platform may be opposed to war, its reasons are due to simply refusing to engaging in any nation building. There's helping a country selflessly for helping them grow while not controlling them and then there's simply occupying them for resources, religion, or whatever. But I'll keep it fair. Libertarian, progressive, or any other, whoever makes the best attempts to end the war machine has my support when it comes to war and peace.
No that's not true. Go to antiwar.com or infowars.com or lewrockwell.com. Libertarians of that sort which is Ron Paul's sort are strongly opposed to war for ethical reasons. They are opposed to war because mass murder is wrong.
I've seen those sites and I appreciate it that there's plenty to agree with them on. But you say that libertarians really believe that mass murder is wrong and I won't deny that. But I'm just not seeing that dedication among them compared to progressive leaning independents and left leaning libertarians don't get much say either. For Bob Barr to make it as the Libertarian Party nominee only confirms it. Too much of a Strict Constitutionalist and his pro rightwing nanny votes should have kept him away from getting nominated. I dunno Will but the Libertarian Party could be corrupted. I'll take Nader and the Greens over the Libertarians any day.
"I'll take Nader and the Greens over the Libertarians any day."
So will I, and as for a theorist with lots of experience, let's throw in david Korten and his ideas.
But we are talking here - as is Nader and Kucinich - about a Progressive-Libertarian alliance to stop the wars and the MIC, and THAT is the number one issue. The MIC and the banksters - we need to stop both of them. Henry Ford once said, if the people of this country understood how the banking system works, there would be a revolution. We need to stop this whole INSANE process whereby the US government operates by borrowing from private banks. I'd love to see a real debate on the presidential candidate level about the banksters little Federal Reserve Act scam, and the progressives have allowed the libertarians to dominate this important issue. So who's to blame for that?
We progressives have to stop tearing each other apart. We really don't need to do the right's work for them. When a debate is going on on in this forum, is it really necessaery for some to get off into this personality/ego/one upsmanship/pecking order BS? What's that all about? What does that do for a progressive agenda?
Do not conflate progressives with these libertarian trolls who will come here in increasing numbers from now until the votes are cast in the GOP primary. That they disguise themselves ( or try to) as one of us, that they seek to hide the real dangers of their chosen political wishes behind a flimsy anti war position, one that stems from isolationism not actual morality ( despite that there are a few who are attracted by an end to war of course) should alert everyone to the real nature of these trolls.
Are you a DIm partisan troll? I am an anarchist but nice try on the lies front Mr. "Dee."
Does this post represent anything more than further evidence of your lack of ability to discuss politics with any degree of maturity? Nope.
Keep on making assumptions, jackwagon. I know that not all anarchists are morons, you are just the one that posts here.