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Could the Pentagon Be Responsible for Your Death?
The Military’s Marching Orders to the Jihadist World
Put what follows in the category of paragraphs no one noticed that should have made the nation’s hair stand on end. This particular paragraph should also have sent chills through the body politic, launched warning flares, and left the people’s representatives in Congress shouting about something other than the debt crisis.
Last weekend, two reliable New York Times reporters, Eric Schmitt and Thom Shanker, had a piece in that paper’s Sunday Review entitled “After 9/11, an Era of Tinker, Tailor, Jihadist, Spy.” Its focus was the latest counterterrorism thinking at the Pentagon: deterrence theory. (Evidently an amalgam of the old Cold War ideas of “containment” and nuclear deterrence wackily reimagined by the boys in the five-sided building for the age of the jihadi.) Schmitt and Shanker’s article was, a note informed the reader, based on research for their forthcoming book, Counterstrike: The Untold Story of America’s Secret Campaign Against Al Qaeda.
And here’s the paragraph, buried in the middle of their piece, that should have stopped readers in their tracks:
“Or consider what American computer specialists are doing on the Internet, perhaps terrorist leaders’ greatest safe haven, where they recruit, raise money, and plot future attacks on a global scale. American specialists have become especially proficient at forging the onscreen cyber-trademarks used by Al Qaeda to certify its Web statements, and are posting confusing and contradictory orders, some so virulent that young Muslims dabbling in jihadist philosophy, but on the fence about it, might be driven away.”
The italics are mine, and as the authors urge us to do, let’s consider for a moment this tiny, remarkably bizarre window into military reality. As a start, just where those military “computer specialists” are remains unknown. Perhaps they are in the Pentagon, perhaps somewhere in the National Counterterrorism Center, but whoever and wherever they are, here’s the question of the week, possibly of the month or the year: Just what kind of “orders” can they be posting “so virulent that young Muslims dabbling in jihadist philosophy, but on the fence about it, might be driven away”?
And even if our computer experts really were capable of turning wavering young Muslims back from the shores of jihadism -- and personally I wouldn’t put my money on the Pentagon’s skills in that realm -- what about young Muslims (or older ones for that matter) who weren’t on that fence and took those “orders” seriously? What exactly are they being “ordered” to do?
Talk about a potential Frankenstein situation -- and all we can do is ask questions. Just what monsters, for example, might the military’s computer specialists be helping to forge? And who exactly is supervising those “specialists” and their vituperative messages? (Especially since they are unlikely to be in English, and we already know that Arabic, Pashto, Dari, and Farsi speakers at the higher levels, or even lower levels, of the Pentagon are, at best, few and far between.)
Keep in mind that we already have an example of a similarly wacky program lacking meaningful oversight that went awry, hit the headlines, and resulted in the perfectly real deaths of at least one U.S. Border Patrol agent and undoubtedly many more Mexicans. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives launched its now infamous gun-tracking program in Arizona in late 2009, under the moniker “Operation Fast and Furious” (a reference to a series of movies about street car racers). It was meant to track cross-border gun sales to Mexico’s drug cartels by actually letting perfectly real weapons cross the border -- more than 2,000 of them, as it turned out. ATF agents, according to a Washington Post report, would be “instructed not to move in and question the [gun runners] but to let the guns go and see where they eventually ended up.” And so they did for more than a year and, not exactly surprisingly, those weapons ended up “on the street” and in the ugliest of hands.
The Daily Show’s Jon Stewart asked an apt question about the program: “The ATF plan to prevent American guns from being used in Mexican gun violence is to provide Mexican gangs with American guns. If this is the plan that they went with, what plan did we reject?”
Assumedly, the same question could be asked of the military’s online anti-jihadist program, involving as it evidently does messages believed to be too extreme for wavering young Muslims with an interest in the jihadi “philosophy.” Shouldn’t someone start asking whether those Pentagon’s “orders” to jihadis might not turn out to be the online equivalent of so many loose guns?
After all, what are those specialists ordering them to do? And if actual jihadis actually tried to follow those “confusing and contradictory orders,” possibly being confused and contradictory kinds of guys, if they took them seriously and interpreted them in ways not predicted by their putative Pentagon handlers, is there a possibility that anyone could die as a result? And if such messages turn off some prospective jihadis, isn’t it possible that they might turn on others? And could they, for instance, have been ordered to commit confused and contradictory acts that might end up involving Americans?
Really, someone should blow Schmitt and Shanker’s paragraph up to giant size, tack it up somewhere in the Capitol, and call for a congressional investigation. If the ATF could do it, why not the Pentagon? And honestly, is this how Americans want to see their tax dollars spent?
Read the Schmitt and Shanker piece and you’ll get a sense of what Shakespeare might have called the “oerweening pride” rife in the Pentagon when it comes to their skills and their ability to put one (or two, or three) over on the jihadist community. So pleased with themselves were they, that they evidently couldn’t help bragging to the two reporters about their skills. The old phrase “too smart for your own good” comes to mind. It’s enough to make you worry, even based on so little information (which the new book from the two reporters may significantly amplify).
And by the way, if you want another unsettling analogy, when it comes to off-the-wall ideas for “deterring” jihadist networks, check out the major record companies and their efforts to deter communities and individuals from illegally downloading music. The Recording Industry Association of America, representing the four major record labels, decided to make a cautionary example of Jammie Thomas-Rasset, a Minnesota mom, by suing her “for illegally downloading and sharing 24 songs on the peer-to-peer file-sharing network Kazaa in 2006.” So far, the organization has dragged her through three trials, getting terrible publicity. Even if they win and leave her in hock for the rest of her life, do you think for one second that they will have made a dent in the world of illegal downloads or deterred anyone? Just ask your kid.
Don't think deterrence here, think blowback.
Honestly, if Schmitt and Shanker’s claim is accurate, you should be shaking in your boots. And someone on Capitol Hill should be starting to ask some relevant questions, including this one: Could “computer specialists” in the employ of the Pentagon be responsible for your death in a future terrorist attack?
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Show AllWhats the real difference between what is exposed in the article and reports that Bin Laden was on the CIA payroll up to 9-11?
Didn't 9-11 create the conditions where a scared and quivering Citizenship allowed Anything Goes? Hell we're still in an Anything Goes world.
true enough but the madding crowd was spurred on by a carefully managed psyop conducted through and with the able assistance of the corporate media
its called manufacturing consent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent:_Noam_Chomsky_and_the_Media
but the question of whether or not the mic is killing us is a good one - they are indeed doing that but what is the number - the body count
in the whole world it would undoubtedly be in the hundreds of millions, no question about that
nice legacy
hey - maybe they don't hate us for our freedoms after all - maybe its cause we been killing them for two hundred years
and sooner or later that killing beast turns inward
hello martial law
hello fema prisons
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm
they have done all the looting stealing and killing right in from of our medicated eyes and we have supported it through our ignorance
chickens are coming home to roost
While terrorism may end my life early,,but it's a fact dead fact that nuclear testing has!!
I was on the west coast at the time and have elevated strontium90 in my bones and lower testes! Strontumn90 only comes from A-bomb tests only nowhere else! I figue the USA owes me 15 good years, think they'll pay up??? lol >^^<
Do you also have "upper" testes?
I don't know if this counts, but the testes of some soldiers observing the nuclear test events retracted so completely that they became wedged between their tonsils.
(((Bin Laden was on the CIA payroll up to 9-11?)))
Thanks Tom
To mtdon thanks
Amazing how this little piece of information escapes the world, it is not the people of Afghanistan or Pakistan that should be under the microscope & CERTAINLY not six feed under.
We all know where who & how.
Now remind my which is which DOD & which is CIA Who does what, what's covert what's over? who does Libya? almost forgot that part of the axe what is NATO? now who does the diplo work the moral caress of the killing machine? who does silent OPS? How & when & under what shape & format infos of an invasion are meant to reach the media ? who decides? when is the perfect time for the ICC to intervene? either to enforce or go for damage control, which part of the security council is beyond redemption in the chess game? What should be the first reaction of the FOUR Countries of the axes of something, I said four, meaning US, ENGLAND, AUSTRALIA, CANADA let me introduce a special guest star FRANCE & sometimes in the open sometimes in the background ISRAEL @that critical moment almost synchronised like the London philharmonic orchestra what instrument does the media PLAY?
How can we show the full potential of a woman being attacked & possibly raped in Libya exposure for days & put aside the slaughter of dozens of children in the SAME country in a single day. Notice CIA is brilliant @rescuing woman VANUNU, ASSANGE, LIBYA (Viagra& the Libyan rape camp) & of course liberating woman form the hands of the evil taliban.
For the record TALIBAN are not hundred years old. They were breast fed by IMPERIALISM almost since their conception. ALL IS CONNECTED.
We must be careful with words SOMALIA WAS OFFICIALLY INVADED & ADDED PART OF THE EMPIRE ACQUISITIONS. ONE STEP CLOSER TO THE AFRICACOM. SOON IT WILL HAVE MORE THAN ONE CHOICE.
Example Azerbaijan was not officially invaded, Since we're in the region we'll put few pip lines, military basis & allow bp halliburton, lockhead & the others to do business REMEMBER IRAQ IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS.
Many nations have been annexed without the DRUMS OF WAR.
WHY SURGICAL & NOT OPEN, FRONTAL, DIRECT ASSAULT?
1 conventional aggression costly economically
2 conventional assault costly diplomatically, morally & strategically it tend to wake up the sleeping ones
3 Why use a b52? a drone & mercenary you herd defensless nations here & there & often everywhere IRAQ, all no mess no media fewer coffins, no mothers waiting at the airport.
4 these are extraordinary weak nations CAPITALISM has no remorse I cannot find the words to describe the rest of the sentence so I won't.
5 Why CIA? well, IT SHOULD BE (S)IA really because they can because its (S)ilente, it is not perceived as an army (CONSCIOUSNESS) in the traditional way SS GESTAPO without the leather jackets & the camp hail mind you with the same EAGLE, lets call it VULTURE, with no accountability whatsoever to the people of America or the people of the WORLD.
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No terror no torture just truth
Thanks Tom Englehardt - once again - for applying Ocham's Razor or the KISS principle. Rumsfeld and the cronies, in what increasing seems to be documented as organized criminal action against any integrity in the constitution and societal wellbeing, have set up the psy-ops equivalent of mainlining the bail out funded drug of narcissistic, solipsistic sophism.
Any individual who engages in the insanity of the momentum of militarization 'for our own good' is going to have the reality of this sociopatholgy jump up and (as someone recently put it) "bite them on the lips". Hopefully the nip will be deterrent, enlightening, life changing and profoundly inducing of love and humble restraint. humanizing in other words - 'cause what they is just now certainly aint.
I'm not so sure that I'd have been 'stopped in my tracks' , but what people should be asking is 1. does an adversary have the same capibility to use the same technique against us? and 2. if we're using this against an adversary, when will we use this against domestic entities? My guess is that we probably experimented by using this technique against domestic groups first, (easier to monitor results).
I wouldn't worry too much, as far as terrorism goes alQueda's working on a low C grade, With Bin Laudins assets, We should have had a few cities be smoking radioactive holes by now, The purchasing and smuggling in the bombs is childs play! Anybody with a REAL AGENDA to terrorize Americans! and their resources could have done much more!!! I call B/S on the whole 9/11 false flag operation!
False flags must be a way of life for our leaders. It must be that leaders lie and all in the name of security.
What would a few more nobody Americans deaths in the US mean in their grand scheme? What does the majority of us think when we (not I) step on an ant or other insect? Having believed since the beginning of the Aids epidemic that it was a government germ warfare test, tested on two groups of peoples they believed would cause the least backlash, that went quickly out of control and became far more viral than they'd ever imagined it could; and with all they allow of their activities to be known, nothing would surprise me about the MIC.
Could the Pentagon Be Responsible for Your Death?
Yes, because the Pentagon is taking money from the pockets of citizens in the this country to build a chimerical empire and destroying the populace's ability to survive.
So, never mind all the stupid "counter-terrorism" games these fools are engaging in, the obscene and grotesque military budget in this country is already responsible for the deaths of millions of Americans every year as people are starved out and denied the services citizens in a non-militarized police state otherwise might lay claim to.
The Pentagon by its very over-extended existence is already actively killing American citizens.
So true, and not just the Pentagon, the Military, Congress's huge perks, ect.
Look at the plush office those guys have. Then think of of all the plush offices the over 600 so called intelligence agencies have. Look at the plush offices in all the offices of all Congress's all over the country. the amount of money spent on those criminals is staggering, while we have to go without.
Have you seen China's new aircraft carrier? Pretty impressive. Looks like they have more on their minds than carrying our debt, humm?
"China's new aircraft carrier"
I hope they didn't build it with WTC steel.
Don't worry its Russias old aircraft carrier,,
They also need to buy the special Russian Fighters that can take off that ski-jump nose,,
This from a country that never did get navial avation straight! It is big and ugly looking though!.. Maybe the Chinese can paint pretty dragons on it lol! >^^<
The US Government demanded China inform the United States of America why it needed an Aircraft carrier and claimed that China is not "transparent" when it comes to Military spending.
The whole lot of them are stark raving mad.
Micromanagement by clueless control freaks, increasing the disparity between sanity and the actions financed by the tax dollars of We The People (Lockheed probably pays little taxes).
The disparity appears to be growing, as "patriotism" and flag-waving are envoked at most public gatherings, and most folks in the crowd cheer. Maybe it's because they are in the Reserves or have a relative in the service.
What can be done to defund the MIC? Exposing military madness, per the author's example, is a good choice, which may be social suicide in your own neighborhood. So what? It's time to just say no to the MIC.
The Pentagon could be responsible for your death but, it would be murder and not manslaughter.
"Don't think deterrence here, think blowback." The Pentagon is not a bunch of bumbling fools getting it wrong again. Don't give the Pentagon credit for being stupid. Never underestimate the enemy (Sun Tzu thinking). Assume the Pentagon is intentionally recruiting Jihadists. The Pentagon is stirring the pot with purpose.
The Pentagon needs an enemy to justify its existence and keep all its funding. With no enemy, people might start talking about a peace dividend instead of eviscerating the New Deal. The Pentagon sells fear. Be afraid. You need us. Those people are out to get you, etc . . .
The Pentagon has been recruiting Jihadists since 9/11. The Pentagon needs to multitask to keep tax dollars flowing their way. This is just one of their many ongoing operations to justify ridiculously high spending levels. The Pentagon budget is and has been too large to be considered defense spending. The Pentagon budget is offensive spending.
The American people have a bad habit of thinking the powers to be are stupid and weak. Yet, the powers to be have all the money and power and "We" have little if any. "We the People" are being played.
Bush was not stupid. He was president from one of the richest families in America. I've seen that Texas drawl used. Reid is not a namby-pamby wimp. He is one of the richest men in the Senate and was a boxer. Obama is not weak. He is one of them.
"We the People," on the other hand - 65% of US could not come up with $1,000 in case of emergency (CNN story just yesterday). My point - Don't ever think the Pentagon is stupid. The Gomer Pyle image is to disarm and distract.
SJRyan, good points. But the CIA has been recruiting jihadists since 1979, training them for use in places like Bosnia, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, and China. And, let us not forget, NYC. The greatest purveyors of terrorism the world has ever known are the Pentagon and CIA.
Excellent points, SJR. The Pentagon may be an unlocked asylum for the criminally insane run by sociopathic madmen, but they are certainly not stupid. Yes indeed, they thrive on blowback, just as the Israeli government thrives on anti-Semitism, provoking it at every turn. With so many hard questions still unanswered ten years after, this bizarre report lends more compelling cred to 911 truthers.
shaking in my boots, tom? nah, i was born into the cold war, watched as people built bomb shelters, heard that pinko commies might be hiding in my closet. i learned in grade school how to kneel and protect myself with fingers locked across the nape of my neck. also, born into a philosophical home and never expected this body to transcend Time. so, i made a bargain within my being to embrace life with all its joys and struggles, never giving death a thought. he'll arrive when he arrives. in the meantime i live!
Posted by nobodyknown (10:08am):
"I'm not so sure that I'd have been 'stopped in my tracks' , but what people should be asking is 1. does an adversary have the same capibility to use the same technique against us? and 2. if we're using this against an adversary, when will we use this against domestic entities? [...]"
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Actually, with a military, police, and security state administered and populated with occupational sociopaths and psychotics, the deeper, or prior question is whether "adversary" still retains its traditional meaning at all.
The knee-jerk premise is that axiomatically, of course any nation-state in the community of nations has objectively real "adversaries", "enemies", and "foes" implacably hostile to its existence, presence, and influence, and that seek to harm its status, people, and material assets by any means necessary.
But the devil's in the details, especially since the Amerikan security state apparatus that's been metastasizing since the Cold War era unquestionably devotes considerable resources into creating, inflating, manufacturing, inflaming, and provoking "enemies" that justify its existence and expansion.
Amerikan popular culture loves its "police procedurals", "organized crime", and espionage melodramas, especially when purportedly based on "true stories" or real-life characters.
These dwell upon, celebrate, and glamorize the perilous and shadowy underworld in which the heroic "Good Guys" persistently make supposedly temporary alliances with, or concessions to, "Bad Guys" in order to achieve some putative greater good: catching the Big Fish, stopping a vulnerable public of innocent bystanders from being victimized, etc.
And vice-versa, e.g. a "Bad Guy" becomes an informant or "mole" either to spy for their confederates or save their own skin, and so on.
But once fairly sliding down the slippery slope where deliberate bending of the rules and blurring of the lines becomes standard operating procedure-- which always becomes self-escalatory and self-justifying to boot-- how can ANYBODY tell where "Us" ends and "They" begin, and vice-versa?
The problematic question, or virtual impossibility, of defining The Adversary arose few months back in "Has America Become a Nation of Cowards?", David Sirota.* Sirota asked "Why the double standard in confronting the Nazis and al-Qaida?"
I wondered, "Might 'the double standard in confronting the Nazis and al-Qaida' have something to do with the fact that the former was a real, substantial, finite entity, while the latter is an ephemeral and arguably artificial Phantom Menace?"
That is, is Amerika "a nation of cowards" because its own government has implanted the mind-killer of free-floating Fear into the collective consciousness, and replaced a flesh-and-blood Foe, the Inimical Other, with a construct that ends up being whatever the authorities claim it is?
Is the concern employed one way or another by ALL segments of the political spectrum of "letting the terrorists win" itself a sinister, paradoxical trap or snare, insofar as it buys into a myth that is only ever fitfully and dubiously realized and reinforced in ambiguous glimpses-- that They, the Terrorists, are really, truly Out There and Coming for Us?
Are the symptoms that Sirota cites as the basis for the hypothetical that Amerika has become a nation of cowards really symptoms of a
kind of collective psychosis that obtains to the extent that They are really only projections-- or introjections-- of Us?
Is the call coming from inside the house, or inside our heads?
* http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/05/13-10
"manufacturing...'enemies'..."
faux foe folk?
O.S. One of your best ever! Shades of psychology mixed with "The Twilight Zone," with a heaping tablespoon of Orwellian paranoia thrown in to complete the recipe. This one reads almost like a Zen koan... and by that I mean, its wisdom evolves along with the consciousness the reader brings to the material. (In other words, a keeper!)
Better smoke this week?
Excellent post, O.S.! I had a much longer response but accidentally lost it.
from the article:
~ Keep in mind that we already have an example of a similarly wacky program lacking meaningful oversight that went awry, hit the headlines, and resulted in the perfectly real deaths of at least one U.S. Border Patrol agent and undoubtedly many more Mexicans. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives launched its now infamous gun-tracking program in Arizona in late 2009, under the moniker “Operation Fast and Furious” (a reference to a series of movies about street car racers). It was meant to track cross-border gun sales to Mexico’s drug cartels by actually letting perfectly real weapons cross the border -- more than 2,000 of them, as it turned out. ATF agents, according to a Washington Post report, would be “instructed not to move in and question the [gun runners] but to let the guns go and see where they eventually ended up.” And so they did for more than a year and, not exactly surprisingly, those weapons ended up “on the street” and in the ugliest of hands. ~
Gee, Tom...ya think, maybe, the guys giving the orders to 'let the guns go through' were the same guys selling the guns, who were working with the guys buying the guns? is this a bit sophisticated for you?
when one's government is corrupt, one shouldn't wonder that it might issue orders that seem, well, counterproductive...
one should understand that to be the whole point...
kind of like domestic black airports that smuggle drugs...drugs that were declared illegal by those same smugglers...
or the enormous employment of 'illegals'...
or stock market 'crashes'...
or the dispensing, and killing, of the public military arsenal for private gain...
you have no government, Tom...just badass gangstas in expensive suits...
now, what?
buy your book?
and, Tom? please stop adding legitimacy to the anti-Muslim rhetoric...on any level...
I fully expect the Pentagon to be involved in countless deaths of Americans for several reasons:
1) They recruit American youth all day every day to go fight in their imperial wars. Many who sign die.
2) They kill American citizens with drone bombs and other forms of assassination on the say-so of Washington bureaucrats.
3) The blowback engendered by the activities of the Pentagon overseas assures continued and escalating murderous attacks on Americans by enraged foreigners.
4) The Pentagon pollutes the nation and the world environmentally and spiritually leading to untold numbers of American deaths via illness and suicide.
5) The trajectory of the Pentagon and MIC is clearly and unambiguously driving towards a species-terminating event in the form of global nuclear, chemical, biological or technological war.
So the question isn't "could the Pentagon be responsible for your death", but rather "is there any chance you might not die at the hands the Pentagon"?
Fake French: Well-said, especially #4.
"'American specialists have become especially proficient at forging the onscreen cyber-trademarks used by Al Qaeda to certify its Web statements, and are posting confusing and contradictory orders, some so virulent that young Muslims dabbling in jihadist philosophy, but on the fence about it, might be driven away.'"
This is classic Pentagon psy-ops. They are probably covering their asses by having those "specialists" only post orders that could destabilize places whose resources the U.S. covets, or aggravate enmity between sects or geographically, economically & politically disparate groups within one country or in a border area to exploit the situation politically as well as militarily.
But some spookier corporatist side of our wild west privatized, merged CIA/DIA military could be used by shadow government/corporate/banking interests to invoke a false flag incident by posting something that DOES target some politically volatile U.S. target to help keep the open-ended "wars of choice" quagmires up and proliferating to benefit the self-incentivizing military/petrol/detainment facility/pirate banking industrial complex.
This massive militarized sub-establishment of the Establishment hides tens of $Billions of dollars offshore every year and the entire planet is one big gambling casino for them where all the lobster is free on the tax payer (& foreign borrowed plus interest) dime and no laws domestic or foreign apply.
yes, if one is able to 'forge' the 'cybertrademarks' of an enemy that, ahem, one might have fabricated, or fostered, in the first place, the door is certainly open to perpetuating one's own wars by impersonating one's alleged enemy...
how would one defend oneself against such forged documents implying association?
I'm just astounded there was even one (1) federal appeals court judge left who would OK a lawsuit against Donald Rumsfeld for his role in possibly ordering the torture of Americans in Iraq (one of them a veteran of the U.S. Navy). A Third American has come forward claiming the same thing as the first two. Here's the link detailing this:
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/11/us_navy_vet_sues_donald_rumsfeld
I still expect any court case to be white washed, but the IDEA that innocent American whistleblowers trying to expose illegal contractor weapons sales to dubious Iraqi groups were tortured by their fellow Americans might actually make it briefly into the "mainstream" corporate America and thump a few inert noggins into re-thinking some things. Then again, maybe the pervasive zombitude has too saturated the country.
thanks for the link...very disturbing story...I wish it were unexpected, as well...
kudos to these men for pressing the case in spite of the threats they were delivered, and to the judge allowing the case to progress...
again, we discuss the periphery while ignoring the event...they witnessed what?
my cycnicism aches for a respite...
I totally agree.
"let the guns go"
"the exporting from the United States of warlike instruments and military stores is not to be interfered with." Washington 1793
I am really tired of people like T.E. and Jon Stewart, since he mentions him, assuming that the good old us of a is just a bunch of bunglers who come up with foolish, of not dangerous ideas......But underneath it all, they have good intentions. These guys, and they are legion, just can't get past the american mythology of God Blessed America.
This type of analysis should be used as a tool to teach how powerful human belief systems are and how they create our perspective and assumptions about ourselves and our world. If this guy can't see through the Mexican gun running scam - and considers himself to be a cutting edge thinker........Well....He deserves to be sold the Brooklyn Bridge. And then he will convince others it was a great deal.