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When 'Everybody Has a Price' Who Will Stand Up to Injustice?
“Seems that everybody’s got a price, I wonder how they sleep at night”.
With this line from her catchy tune, “Price Tag”, the precocious British pop singer Jessie J. touches on a cultural issue that very few of the elite opinion-makers in this country seldom ever dare to address frontally.
Are we economic beings above all else? Does each really of us, as we often hear, really have “a price” that, if identified and met, will effectively turn us into the moral plaything of another person or a social institution?
Looking around, there are a lot of reasons for believing that the smug “human price theorists” among us might be on to something.
My most powerful experience in this regard came, not in these United States of Consumption, but on a misty midnight street in Havana ten years ago.
On the way home to my hotel, I was approached by a scrawny teenage girl who was eager to engage me in conversation. We talked for a bit until she politely offered me her sexual services. I politely said no and made a move to join my friend who had continued walking ahead.
As I started to depart, she looked at me with a look that can only be described as one of alarmed perplexity, the type one sees on the face of someone who feels they have miscalculated badly in a social interaction. She grabbed me by the arm and asked me what was wrong. She then inquired if there was some act that I was particularly fond of that she had forgotten to include in the set of services she had mentioned. And shortly thereafter, she wondered out loud whether I thought her prices were out of line.
I tried to explain that that I just wasn’t interested. As she listened, the perplexed look returned to her face.
It was then that I finally understood her confusion. I was a European-looking male and she was a Cuban woman offering sexual services at what she knew were discount prices on the world scale. In her world, the only discordant matters in such encounters were ones of price or consumer choice. That the dominant economic partner in the equation (me) might simply declare his indifference to the “price game”, which she had come to use as the proxy for value in her young life, was simply unfathomable to her. Clearly she had internalized the idea that everything had a price and that the only real drama or mystery in human interactions lay in finding it.
I suspect that for most Americans, my late-night dialogues with jineteras in Havana probably seem quite far away. But are they?
While most of us, thankfully, do not have much occasion to be engaged by desperate young prostitutes, can we really say that the assumptions organizing that poor young girl’s view of the world are absent from our lives? Can we really say that in our workplaces, for example, we have not been encouraged to view “price”, or its first cousin “productivity” as a substitute for the staggeringly large and beautiful spectrum of human values? Can we really say, as we look around us, that we don’t see lots of people, egged on by a constant stream of decrees issued from on high, straining to shimmy their rich and varied personalities into the ever more narrow confines the “price game”?
I certainly cannot. And this distresses me.
But what distresses me even more is the fact that most people I know who are suffering in this way seem to be wholly resigned to their fates. In one verbal form or another they tell me, “The game is the game… and the best anyone can hope for is to cut a good deal within it”.
There is an historical explanation for the widespread adoption of this posture among Americans. Our society was, for many years and decades a place where the systems of social mobility and justice more or less “worked” for a sizable plurality (which obviously has never included African Americans) of its citizens.
Am I saying it was a paradise? Of course not. But I am saying that it offered, in the years between 1880 and 1970 (especially during the last four decades of that period) a level of opportunity, justice, and institutional transparency that was simply unimaginable at that time in rural Ireland, the Ukrainian shtetl or the ducal estates of Sicily.
When parents perceive the social system they live in as being largely functional in regard to justice and social advancement, they rightly raise their children to be “players”, rather than rebels, that is, they rightly direct their children’s intellectual energies toward taking advantage (in the best sense of that term) of the system rather than questioning the integrity of its architecture.
That’s fine while the system continues to work.
But what happens when, as increasingly appears to be the case in today’s US, people raised to be “players” find themselves living and working in a social system that no longer offers the promises of advancement and justice that it once did, living and working in a system that almost seems to mock the large doses of good will they bring to it each day?
One obvious solution is to look to history.
Sadly, however, there is little available in today’s popular renderings of the American past--with their constant emphasis on material success, individual ingenuity and self-interested intrigue—to guide us in a time of brutal plutocratic and militaristic intransigence.
This highly selective account of things, which conveniently leaves out the many advances in the quality of life brought on by “shrill” or “annoying” non-conformists (note: shrill and annoying can be ok, but only if employed in business matters. Outside of this “sacred” realm, they are big no-nos), leads most people to believe that the individual has always been more or less adrift in a cold and heartless world, and that, in light of this fact, the best course is to keep your head down and do what you are told to do.
If, however, we look beyond our own artificially truncated historical narratives to places and traditions where systemic failure has been the rule rather than the exception, there is much available to guide us. Of particular interest to me, is what I’ll call the “Great Tradition of Saying No”.
The GTSN is rooted in the idea that many who wield social authority do not necessarily do so legitimately. Why? Because their hold on power is anchored in values and practices that are clearly antithetical to human dignity and the long-term interests of the collective they claim to lead.
To pretend in the face of clear evidence that this is not the case, or to pretend the broad social problem is not real as long as I can continue to cut a deal favorable to one’s personal interests is, according to this line of reasoning, to imbue the tyrant’s business or regime with a moral legitimacy it cannot, and should not, ever have.
The answer under GTSN? Refuse to play along, and perhaps more importantly, accept with the highest degree of equanimity possible, the slander, abuse, and diminutions of personal power and wealth that will inevitably follow.
A couple of examples:
Pau (also known by the Castilian first name of Pablo) Casals was the greatest and best-known cellist in the world during the first third of the 20th century, the Yo-Yo Ma of his time. He was also a Catalan and a believer in the democratic ideals of the Second Spanish Republic (1931-39). When, in 1939, General Francisco Franco completed the violent coup d’etat against the Republic that he and others had begun in the summer of 1936, Casals went into exile.
In the 34 year years between the end of the war and his death in 1973, he refused, with a few well-documented exceptions (exceptions which he sought to explain in morally coherent terms), to perform publicly in any country that had recognized the Franco regime, a list that by the early fifties included most of the developed world.
Long before the Portuguese author José Saramago astonished the world with his singular brand of morally provocative story-telling, there was Miguel Torga, the greatest of an extremely rich, if still internationally unrecognized, cohort of mid twentieth century Portuguese writers. I have not yet found a collection of short stories in any language that can compare to his Tales of the Mountain or an autobiographical novel that comes anywhere close to the beauty and force of his Creation of the World.
Torga came of age as a writer in the midst of his country’s long and brutal Salazar dictatorship, a regime whose ideology and practice he abhorred. Not wanting to grant the dictatorship or any of it many cronies the ability to mediate between himself and his readers, he decided to self-publish everything he wrote.
It was a decision that might very well have cost him the Nobel Prize for which he perennially nominated over the last 30 years of his life. He could have cut a deal with the Portuguese establishment and gained countless perks and far greater international recognition. But he felt it was more important to make clear, as a man, and as a Portuguese citizen, that there was no way to spin or fudge what Salazar and his regime were really all about.
In choosing not to be players, but rather unrelenting members of the opposition, these men of talent and relative privilege sent an extraordinary message of dignity and hope to their less fortunate fellow citizens. They said, in effect, in the midst of our troubled lives there are still certain core convictions that have no price, and certain “games” or “negotiations” that, owing to their fundamentally rigged nature of the rules that govern them, are not worth entering into.
Call me cynical, but I find it hard to imagine that any American artist possessing the stature and status of a Casals or a Torga would ever choose to do such a thing today.
It will, of course, be argued that while Casals and Torga were looking squarely into the pitiless face of dictatorships, we still living in a democracy, and that is therefore far too early to be talking about boycotting, or perhaps more accurately, finding ways to actively highlight the moral bankruptcy of those entrusted with leading our social institutions.
Maybe these people are right. Maybe I am pushing the panic button a little early.
But if there is anything that the contemporary histories of the Iberian and Latin America countries tell us, it is that a) dictatorships seldom go around labeling themselves as what they are, and b) they usually go to great lengths to maintain a sense of normality in the daily rhythms of the citizenry. Argentina partied hardy during the World Cup in 1978, a time when some of the worse of crimes of the Dirty War were being committed. And when the horrible facts came out years later, many citizens were truly and honestly mystified as to how this could have happened during what was, for them, just another day, month, or year in the life.
Our endlessly looped cinematic and documentary treatments of World War II have, I think, given many most Americans the belief that they’ll easily recognize authoritarianism when and if it comes to our shores.
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Show AllVery interesting article. Thank you, Mr. Harrington.
A parallel with the points you made is seen in those of us on C.D. who state that we are NOT going along with "the program," not granting our personal consent; or as I like to say, liberating ourselves from the lie that U.S. powerbrokers act on behalf of, or vaguely represent that omnipresent consensus known as "WE."
So long as words like "us" and "we" suggest acceptance, cohesion, and uniformity where there is none... the power of dissent, or that of challenging false authority gets clouded over.
There are many artists, writers, and musicians who are talented, but they're not given a banner, platform, or stage to operate on precisely because their ideas challenge the oppressive worldview that everything and everyone has a price. This form of ideological imperialism seen in the commodification of every living being and system I term "Carpicon." It suggests the primacy of the corporate entity over the multitude of beings that reflect the Law of Life, instead.
If life is not held as precious, and everything up for sale, then we're all Easter Islanders now...
Siouxrose, will you please tell me what "carpicon" means? I've never seen the word and tried to look it up, but got nada.
Hi Elizabeth. You probably know that dictionaries change to accommodate new words in usage. This one is my own brew... it's a hybrid of the word Capricorn (Zodiac sign of big business) merged with that of the corporate state; and I like the way it sounds. Plus I plan to develop the premise in a story or book somewhere up the road... if time as we know it, continues.
Siouxrose,
HEAR! HEAR!
The author is, perhaps, not aware of many of us, like myself, who have had their careers slowly destroyed because they consistently said no to anti-human corporate behavior. We ARE paying the price for not having a price and we DO think it's worth it.
I was approached, long ago, in a similar fashion by a poor woman for sex. I politely said no. I conversed with her for a while and gave her some money. In this world, it is our obligation to always help those that we run into that are less fortunate than ourselves. I wonder if the author considered doing that. I do not believe that scrawny girl was turning tricks for the "fun" of it.
"...we still living in a democracy, and.." "Maybe I am pushing the panic button a little early.."
Good piece. But Thomas is a little late to the show.
I don't know how well screened the Dirty War was from the Argentine citizenry in 1978. Whatever...the American public cannot say they didn't know and could not have known. The crimes, and the revelations of the crimes (and the high crimes and misdemeanors), are right out there for all to see. It takes a conscious effort not to see...a conscious effort the vast majority of the American populace is willing to make
The World War 2 fictional romance may be part of it, as Harrington suggests. But I think a good part of it is the simple and stubborn unwillingness to admit you have been wrong, and that your actions (including your votes) were wrong, and helped bring about the current state of affairs and the current mind-set.
Prof. Harrington,
You expose so many paths for comment, I don't know where to begin.
First, my Heart goes to the young girl in Cuba and to all the Girls who still suffer
by the hands of ignorance and exploitation.So lets go back in time, and communicate Love, Friendship, and give her five dollars for being the beautiful
little girl that she is, let her know you care, let her know that she is of the Tribe.
Second, you must know Don Quixote, he and his friends are examples of asses
never sold or ever bought. If we look to him an the other men and women throughout history who demonstrated justice, kindness, compassion, thus teaching us what the qualities of true strength and invincibility are.
When we talk about the classics,it is because these books portray these values
that's what makes them classics.
So we do have Role Models that can teach us the path to manifesting our higher human nature.
Alas these books are being banned from the libraries, and the publishing companies were bought by Money, and now control what is available to read.
The mind control has been going on for years, the fact that in the year 2000
a presidential election was stolen, in 2008 a man was able to ( with nearly a straight face) tell the American People that he needs eight hundred billion dollars
no questions asked, to save our financial system, and he got it no questions asked,
Today, the creation of a debt crisis, as the pretext for further enslaving the citizens of this country, means we have very little time left.
Instead of voting for a thousand different candidates with all the associated corruption, lets put forth a platform of specific programs, laws, and legalisation
that we can all relatively agree on, for example, Universal Health, Funding for Women's reproductive rights, extend unemployment benefits, aid to cities and
towns, to fund social services, education and so on.I am sure that we all could
figure out what we want.
Its like this approx. half the voters are republican the other half democratic
with the majority of citizens not registered.
So we vote an agenda and fill the positions with people that pledge to enact the platform.
Excellent essay, Thomas S. Harrington!
Sometimes I think I’m going absolutely mad, as I’m one of the few people I know personally who believes that we’re living in an authoritarian world of carefully honed lies masking the fact that we are a barbarous people. People will continue to believe that we live in a democratic country chock-full of moral values even as they pass blithely by homeless people carrying their few possessions in plastic bags, or the increasingly common scene of a policeman holding a gun to a man lying on the ground. If I mention the Patriot Act or Citizens United or the fact that our president says openly he has an assassination list, I’ll likely get a blank stare, and I’m talking about people with PhDs, for God’s sake. And heaven forbid you bring up something like electronic voting machines: you’ll definitely be branded a loon. But WTF. You have to be an idiot to believe your vote counts for shit anyway.
In the 1980s the artists in my city did things like subvert the billboards in the middle of the night. In the 1960s they blew up our museum’s “The Thinker” by Rodin, substantially improving it, in my humble opinion. http://www.clevelandart.org/Ingalls%20Library%20and%20Archives/special%20topics.aspx?pid=%7B4F760E67-A037-4894-82EA-81932103A0F4%7D
Nothing of the sort is going on these days. The poetry group I frequent gets disturbed when I present a political poem. They don’t want to think about such things. What a downer! Our poets used to be radicals. Now they take a lot of Prozac.
So I’d been thinking that this country has gone downhill fast, but then for my amusement I turned to Henry Miller, always a favorite (and please, don't bother telling me what a monster he was to abandon his wife and children. I know he was a monster. It's the main reason I love him: a rare being, an honest monster). I’d read much of his work in the 1980s but had never cracked my copy of The Air-Conditioned Nightmare, his assessment of the United States which he wrote after returning to this great nation in 1939 after a decade’s absence. He could have been writing about our contemporary world—seems nothing has changed at all in the vapid hearts of USians. He writes about an artist who was starving in Paris, but somehow was “discovered” by someone in the US. This patron brought him over here and society feted and petted him, and after about a year of this treatment he returned to Paris, back to near starvation. Couldn’t stand it. There was nobody worth talking to. He preferred the physical poverty of his existence in France to the spiritual poverty here.
Anyway, here’s the latest poem that so disturbed my poetry group. I’m not sure it’s any good. Any criticisms would be welcome.
Five Half Lives Share a Joke
Maureen, in trepidation of the expert’s banter
Has her brain adjusted every three months
And takes new pills as she watches the dead bird at her door
Day by day as the feathers drift away
And then the flesh dwindles and disappears,
And she scoops up the dinosaurish bones and thinks,
How strange, where were all the beasts
That left this dead bird alone with me?
Tommy, who really thinks of death a lot
Heard of all those thousands of birds dropping dead from the sky
And is searching for salvation. He hears the word of God
in his head, and knows what’s right. He is friendly as a puppy
As he gives us all pamphlets that tell us
We’re all going to die, and it’s not going to be pretty
In hell for most all of us.
Carrie, who reads the news every morning
From four sources, makes stovetop espresso and takes note
Of each and every lie, until all she sees is lies and lies
And sleeps fitfully and notes her dreams in her book
Of dreams. But they’re not dreams she’d ever want to see
Fulfilled, and a gray soot seems to be shadowing her eyes
And settling in the creases.
Gerome, in assonance with cognitive dissonance,
Lives in rhythm and perpetual mirths and fast-track rages,
Thinks nothing of the world outside his world
Of beat and bitter mirth and outright rage.
Gambles into the Jefferson Memorial
And gets arrested quite zestfully
Because the Jefferson Memorial is a place to be revered
Most soberly, no pulse or beat,
And I say, indeed, what gives, who would be so crazy these days
As to bop in the face of the Jefferson Memorial?
Go out, go out, go walk in the woods, I say to them all.
The earth is still quite alive in its torture,
And the babies still beam joy to their exhausted mothers.
There is hope left in the box,
Not much worse for all the dust,
And the flowers still unfurl their lovelies.
And they each answer, Why look at me then?---
Bend your eyes elsewhere,
You go walk in the woods, find life,
Laugh in the face of death, because it’s really funny.
We like a good laugh, and we’re all screaming, screaming, screaming.
Elizabeth H
I agree with you that many poets these days, as well as other writers seem to be lost in thinking that would be appropriate a hundred years ago or more. I am writer, including poetry. I too write political poems and fiction as well. If you'd like to discuss this more, here's a partia joysglobal at gmai
From penultimate para: " And when the horrible facts came out years later, many citizens were truly and honestly mystified as to how this could have happened during what was, for them, just another day, month, or year in the life. "
That reminded me of what is said to have happened in Germany in the 1930s. Milton Mayer's "They Thought They Were Free" explains it very well.
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html
Are we living it again, now?
Thank you for the reference link to Meyer's excerpt. It rings so heartrendingly true, of his time and ours.
What a coinkadink. Listening to Young singing "Ohio" in a live acoustic performance from somewhere in the past as I'm reading your comment. Truly one of the great anti-war songwriters from the 60's onward. Thanks for the reference to the website
What a coinkadink. Listening to Young singing "Ohio" in a live acoustic performance from somewhere in the past as I'm reading your comment. Truly one of the great anti-war songwriters from the 60's onward. Thanks for the reference to the website
Harrington is one of the better commentators we have these days. Very solid stuff that breaks new ground without being captive to the failed tactics and ideas of the last 30 years.
Along these lines, I recommend "Voltaire's Bastards" by John Ralston Saul, a wide-ranging look at the technocratic insanity that dominates these days. Saul's no New-Ager, he tracks the history of, and scathingly criticizes, reason as an end in itself. It's more remarkable for having been published in 1992.
A good essay with which to remember the antiwar efforts of Muhammad Ali, and his famous refusal to serve the US military during their Vietnam War. Although boxing's Heavyweight Champion of the World, he was convicted of a felony (later reversed) and stripped of his boxing titles. He actively fought instead against evil injustice.
His clever style & outspoken position made him many dangerous enemies in the US government and other power centres. It has never yet been substantiated that a surreptitious "chemical lobotomy" led to his subsequent disability, reportedly Parkinson's syndrome.
Professor Harrington...what should a citizen do when the public library that accepts public funds banns books based on their political content. Books that can be considered unpatriotic are banned. It is not only the MSM/ FOX/ the Press etc, a bigger part of the problem is the censoring by schools and libraries. Is there anyone in New England who really cares about freedom of speech and freedom of information????? If you know of anyone, please give him/her my contact information.
I wish I could help. The destruction of books, and thought, has been fast and furious for some decades. In my east side of Cleveland area, all but two very small bookstores remain. When I look stuff up via a university portal, seems like lots has been edited out. Remember in 2009 when Kindle blinked out everyone's Orwell? When last my friend went to the library to find some decent books for her granddaughter, the librarian boasted about their great collection of videotapes. My friend said, I thought maybe I could find something interesting for her to READ.
What a silly thing to say!
ANSWER to the title of this article:
Spartacus and Robin Hood...by the thousands...
Yes. We. Can.
I can understand why someone would become a prostitute. But I cannot understand why someone would pay to see a prostitute.
As for myself, I would rather crawl into a corner and die.
Neither - prostitute or dying - better than the other. Whore, beggar, or person walking off the bridge at night ...
But our society, it seems, highly valueing the "sell principle," (i.e. also "self principle")also values the ability to *survive* above all else.
Who is more admirable in such a society? The person willing to tear down their sacred southern draperies, a la Scarlet O'Hara, just to "survive" and "save Tara" ?
Or the person who would just die in a hole, privately, somewhere? Than fuck some jerk?*
O, 'tis Scarlet who is great! For fucking for jerk!
The whore in our system is the beginning of it all!
* And need you think otherwise - we see many such persons at the entrances to our freeway fast lanes: "Anything will help." (i.e. I wasn't willing to fuck.) They are the lepers: Society says: "We hold you in contempt: You aren't willing to sell a fuck."
"Yes," he or she says back. "I would rather die. I would rather die than give that up for money. For I am wedded to that principle."
Whichever be the better.
Remember this movie - I never saw it because I didn't need to - I knew what Hollywood's message was about - about a couple and a wealthy man who offers a million dollars for one night screwing with the wife? (The wife, I think, is played by Tom Cruise's ex-wife. We don't remember her name. Just who she was married to and who she was later friends with.) Though the millionaire, now there's a real slut...
At first, this movie was shocking, but intriguing to the American public. Could we do this ?? How far could we go ?? !! Now, as Americans, many just take it for granted. Who wouldn't fuck this guy for a million dollars in one night? Who wouldn't pimp their wife? Who wouldn't sell what they loved most dearly?
Like I said, I didn't bother to see it. The message and values were clear. "Get used to this notion, America."
So again: forget about the whore for a moment. Forget about the beggar. Forget about the person on the bridge: why would someone want to pay someone to do this?
Would you pay to see a prostitute?
I know several men who are considered ugly,they have Nobel hearts,compassion, beautiful laughs.but because of their physical differences,
one was burned saving a family he didn't know,another was like the Elephant Man, Another resembled the Hunchback of Notre Dame. I give my utmost respect to the compassionate women , some would call whores,prostitutes, sluts, I would call keepers of the tradition, the oldest profession in the world,
that manifest in many esoteric forms. Remember Charizade ?
By the way does anybody grasp the concept of Citizens creating and voting a platform. Its the Ultimate grass roots expression, one that sends fear to the
money people of the world. BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE BOUGHT.
Just wondering if the concept rings a bell with any of the Progressives in this country, or are we so blinded that we can't visualize the obvious solution to our problems, its simplicity cannot be imagined, we have to piss and moan about shit, but God forbid we do anything about it.
You are still talking about why the prostitute does what he or she does.
Physical attractiveness has very little to do with what attracts people to one another.
I have known people who were considered, by conventional social standards, quite ugly, but they were very attractive to members of the opposite sex, as heterosexuals.
They didn't need to pay prostitutes.
Similarly, I have known plenty of people who don't have to have an intimate relationship with another person, of the opposite or same gender, and they don't feel that they must pay prostitutes to feel whole or loved or worth while.
Indeed, this activity is a degradation of one's being. Whether one is a prostitute or a client. The idea that a prostitute is fucking a client out of compassion is a fantasy and a completely unreal idea of the world of prostitution.
I say this as someone who thinks it should be legal. But that doesn't mean I think it's a healthy activity, or a desirable one, when one is truly feeling well in their life. From either perspective.
Most prostitutes are victims of childhood sexual abuse and would make their living another way, if provided a real opportunity. Most have horrible lives, are beated and exploited by clients, by pimps, and abused in the system, are involved in drugs, are susceptible to criminal attacks of all sorts .. Runaways are driven and pulled into prostitution, women during times of famine and war - as in Iraq - when the U.S. military is hiring men, but not women - end of whoring themselves.
Prostitution is a horrible way for women or men to have to make a living.
The "Happy Hooker" is another version of Disney tales.
This may very hard for some people to understand, but there is such a thing as a moral center in human beings. Bill Moyers has talked about this.
It is not about what the right wing is talking about, though.
This is part of why it is so hard for this country to do the right thing on health care or war. It is so easy for some of you to comprehend how someone could pay someone as a prostitute.
It sounds looney to you that this is actually an incomprehensible way of living a life, for others. Paying someone for sexual activity.
Just as it is incomprehensible how a country cannot provide health care for people.
Keep invading and destroying other countries in war activities.
Poisoning our own food supply.
Throwing millions of people in prisons for non-violent offenses.
This is all about a moral center in the fabric of one's life.
And please don't tell me it's the oldest profession around. Actually, the oldest profession is military - territorial attacks by apes upon apes. And don't you think that's a poor excuse for what's going on now?
Mr. Harrington,
This is a thoughtful and interesting article. You have brought up many points that could be discussed, too many for an individual commenter to do justice to.
I'll just mention that you are certainly not too early to press the panic button. One of our primary targets to say "no" to is the centralized corporate media because it is the main system whereby people are drugged and blinded to the true state of affairs. No form of social conditioning has ever before reached such a state of sophistication. As it has centralized and become a uniform culture of oppression (it's an old term but accurate), the conscious life of the people has disappeared in ignorance, usually taking the form of stylized and nervous amusement, effectively stifling the voices of "no". What Casals had to deal with was crude and obvious in comparison. This is what the "Brave New World" looks like.
In my opinion, when we think of what we can do in terms of dissent, we should think about throwing monkey wrenches into the machinery of thought control. The whole sad milieu seems to me to be getting somewhat hysterical the last few years, like it is getting harder to keep all the balls of diversion in the air. But we are in a race, really, as the technological and psychological "march of progress" is primarily directed toward more sophisticated and encompassing techniques of marketing and intrusion.
Just an exasperated thought. Perhaps if certain people were not so puritanical about sex, and saw it rather as a beautiful expression of human creativity, then prostitution (not as we know it now) could become a respected profession, (a means of teaching young men and women how to respect and pleasure the opposite sex) instead of one smugly judged by the pampered, deranged and dangerously, dangerously, dangerously naive princesses who populate this forum. I realise this is straight out of a Gemmell fantasy novel (earth maidens), but seeing as everything else on this site is a complete pipedream, I feel rather at home with my audacity. Let me add that I am talking about changing our core values here, and turning sex into one of the highest forms of Gaia worship. We ain't ever gonna get rid of the urge, so why not adapt it and marry (pun deliberate) it to a new form of social green consciousness. I realise this is a bit of radical spring cleaning in the closeted, mental corridors that trap and circle the majority of thoughts expressed on this forum.
Oh, and Jackm - unless you are running for a political seat, get off your moral high horse and start trying to understand the world, instead of trying to prescribe YOUR mind onto the outside world.
What is exactly that bothers you about my "moral high horse" onemantribe? I rather think the world could use a higher moral road.
Peace
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And what's wrong with men and women - and girls and boys - for that matter - having another way to make a living besides fucking johns?
Why does that bother you so much?
I think your dream is a fantasy, completely divorced from the realities of prostitution for most prostitutes - especially young people - who you apparently advocate some deranged idea of having them - as underage teenagers seeing whores for sexual guidance! Or shall we say, ritualistic Gaii sex pratices.
Talkl about imposing ones views on others! You need a mirror.
Sexual "guidance" comes through REAL relationships - and when people are mature enough.
Try that, some day. If it's not too late for you to grow up. In the meantime, you're DAMN RIGHT I'll impose my views on teenagers! And if you're an adult going near my teeangers with your wacky ideas, I'll show you where my foot meet your butt, *bub* if not your head! On the sidewalk.
You will find out then, what your princesses are made of. And it hurt mightily because I am not a pacifist when it comes to pedophiles. If you want to spend the rest of your life behind bars, instead of a decent lower income familiy's neighborhood, it sounds right to me and worth the taxpayer's money.
And, I will express my views whether I'm running for office or not. So imagine a middle finger from my hand towards your field of vision, on that as well. As I imagine the Constitution.
Consensual sex was a beautiful thing. Then AIDS came along... I read it could be an ethnic weapon.
@jackm
Classic Common Dreams use of straw and men. Not quite sure how nor why you twisted "young people" to become underage minors, and then use that to basically imply that I am somehow advocating underage sex? Last time I heard, a 23-year-old could be described as young. Unless of course you yourself are 12, which is suggested by the playground-style nature of your rebuttal. Read it again, irrit. Then take a proper careful look around you at what IS, not what you WANT to be.
Elevating the status of sex workers to social mentors would be a beneficial step for all society. First off it would lessen the thunder of smug, naive clowns who would sermonise us all back into the Old Testament. If you had EVER actually spoken to a prostitute and heard their needs and desires you would have so much greater an understanding of life. Don't sit there pitying them and throwing your hands up in the air about your lack of understanding of the whole industry. Try to develop some personal insight into a pressing social problem instead of pontificating from on high. Next character assassination attempt?
I can assure you that I am not a 12 year old in a playground. I am much more potentially harmful.
So: keep posting to me, you fucking hypocritical nasty condescending sexist creep. Dick brain.
It appears my paragraphs are working again.
Thank you, editors.