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For a book about the all-too-human “passions of war,” my 1997 work Blood Rites ended on a strangely inhuman note: I suggested that, whatever distinctly human qualities war calls upon -- honor, courage, solidarity, cruelty, and so forth -- it might be useful to stop thinking of war in exclusively human terms. After all, certain species of ants wage war and computers can simulate “wars” that play themselves out on-screen without any human involvement.
This Israeli military robot, the VIPeR can climb stairs and open fire on targets with a submachine gun. (Image: Globe and Mail)
More generally, then, we should define war as a self-replicating pattern of activity that may or may not require human participation. In the human case, we know it is capable of spreading geographically and evolving rapidly over time -- qualities that, as I suggested somewhat fancifully, make war a metaphorical successor to the predatory animals that shaped humans into fighters in the first place.
A decade and a half later, these musings do not seem quite so airy and abstract anymore. The trend, at the close of the twentieth century, still seemed to be one of ever more massive human involvement in war -- from armies containing tens of thousands in the sixteenth century, to hundreds of thousands in the nineteenth, and eventually millions in the twentieth century world wars.
It was the ascending scale of war that originally called forth the existence of the nation-state as an administrative unit capable of maintaining mass armies and the infrastructure -- for taxation, weapons manufacture, transport, etc. -- that they require. War has been, and we still expect it to be, the most massive collective project human beings undertake. But it has been evolving quickly in a very different direction, one in which human beings have a much smaller role to play.
One factor driving this change has been the emergence of a new kind of enemy, so-called “non-state actors,” meaning popular insurgencies and loose transnational networks of fighters, none of which are likely to field large numbers of troops or maintain expensive arsenals of their own. In the face of these new enemies, typified by al-Qaeda, the mass armies of nation-states are highly ineffective, cumbersome to deploy, difficult to maneuver, and from a domestic point of view, overly dependent on a citizenry that is both willing and able to fight, or at least to have their children fight for them.
Yet just as U.S. military cadets continue, in defiance of military reality, to sport swords on their dress uniforms, our leaders, both military and political, tend to cling to an idea of war as a vast, labor-intensive effort on the order of World War II. Only slowly, and with a reluctance bordering on the phobic, have the leaders of major states begun to grasp the fact that this approach to warfare may soon be obsolete.
Consider the most recent U.S. war with Iraq. According to then-president George W. Bush, the casus belli was the 9/11 terror attacks. The causal link between that event and our chosen enemy, Iraq, was, however, imperceptible to all but the most dedicated inside-the-Beltway intellectuals. Nineteen men had hijacked airplanes and flown them into the Pentagon and the World Trade Center -- 15 of them Saudi Arabians, none of them Iraqis -- and we went to war against… Iraq?
Military history offers no ready precedents for such wildly misaimed retaliation. The closest analogies come from anthropology, which provides plenty of cases of small-scale societies in which the death of any member, for any reason, needs to be “avenged” by an attack on a more or less randomly chosen other tribe or hamlet.
Why Iraq? Neoconservative imperial ambitions have been invoked in explanation, as well as the American thirst for oil, or even an Oedipal contest between George W. Bush and his father. There is no doubt some truth to all of these explanations, but the targeting of Iraq also represented a desperate and irrational response to what was, for Washington, an utterly confounding military situation.
We faced a state-less enemy -- geographically diffuse, lacking uniforms and flags, invulnerable to invading infantries and saturation bombing, and apparently capable of regenerating itself at minimal expense. From the perspective of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and his White House cronies, this would not do.
Since the U.S. was accustomed to fighting other nation-states -- geopolitical entities containing such identifiable targets as capital cities, airports, military bases, and munitions plants -- we would have to find a nation-state to fight, or as Rumsfeld put it, a “target-rich environment.” Iraq, pumped up by alleged stockpiles of “weapons of mass destruction,” became the designated surrogate for an enemy that refused to play our game.
The effects of this atavistic war are still being tallied: in Iraq, we would have to include civilian deaths estimated at possibly hundreds of thousands, the destruction of civilian infrastructure, and devastating outbreaks of sectarian violence of a kind that, as we should have learned from the dissolution of Yugoslavia, can readily follow the death or removal of a nationalist dictator.
But the effects of war on the U.S. and its allies may end up being almost as tragic. Instead of punishing the terrorists who had attacked the U.S., the war seems to have succeeded in recruiting more such irregular fighters, young men (and sometimes women) willing to die and ready to commit further acts of terror or revenge. By insisting on fighting a more or less randomly selected nation-state, the U.S. may only have multiplied the non-state threats it faces.
Unwieldy Armies
Whatever they may think of what the U.S. and its allies did in Iraq, many national leaders are beginning to acknowledge that conventional militaries are becoming, in a strictly military sense, almost ludicrously anachronistic. Not only are they unsuited to crushing counterinsurgencies and small bands of terrorists or irregular fighters, but mass armies are simply too cumbersome to deploy on short notice.
In military lingo, they are weighed down by their “tooth to tail” ratio -- a measure of the number of actual fighters in comparison to the support personnel and equipment the fighters require. Both hawks and liberal interventionists may hanker to airlift tens of thousands of soldiers to distant places virtually overnight, but those soldiers will need to be preceded or accompanied by tents, canteens, trucks, medical equipment, and so forth. “Flyover” rights will have to be granted by neighboring countries; air strips and eventually bases will have to be constructed; supply lines will have be created and defended -- all of which can take months to accomplish.
The sluggishness of the mass, labor-intensive military has become a constant source of frustration to civilian leaders. Irritated by the Pentagon’s hesitation to put “boots on the ground” in Bosnia, then-Secretary of State Madeline Albright famously demanded of Secretary of Defense Colin Powell, “What good is this marvelous military force if we can never use it?” In 2009, the Obama administration unthinkingly proposed a troop surge in Afghanistan, followed by a withdrawal within a year and a half that would have required some of the troops to start packing up almost as soon as they arrived. It took the U.S. military a full month to organize the transport of 20,000 soldiers to Haiti in the wake of the 2010 earthquake -- and they were only traveling 700 miles to engage in a humanitarian relief mission, not a war.
Another thing hobbling mass militaries is the increasing unwillingness of nations, especially the more democratic ones, to risk large numbers of casualties. It is no longer acceptable to drive men into battle at gunpoint or to demand that they fend for themselves on foreign soil. Once thousands of soldiers have been plunked down in a “theater,” they must be defended from potentially hostile locals, a project that can easily come to supersede the original mission.
We may not be able clearly to articulate what American troops were supposed to accomplish in Iraq or Afghanistan, but without question one part of their job has been “force protection.” In what could be considered the inverse of “mission creep,” instead of expanding, the mission now has a tendency to contract to the task of self-defense.
Ultimately, the mass militaries of the modern era, augmented by ever-more expensive weapons systems, place an unacceptable economic burden on the nation-states that support them -- a burden that eventually may undermine the militaries themselves. Consider what has been happening to the world’s sole military superpower, the United States. The latest estimate for the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is, at this moment, at least $3.2 trillion, while total U.S. military spending equals that of the next 15 countries combined, and adds up to approximately 47% of all global military spending.
To this must be added the cost of caring for wounded and otherwise damaged veterans, which has been mounting precipitously as medical advances allow more of the injured to survive. The U.S. military has been sheltered from the consequences of its own profligacy by a level of bipartisan political support that has kept it almost magically immune to budget cuts, even as the national debt balloons to levels widely judged to be unsustainable.
The hard right, in particular, has campaigned relentlessly against “big government,” apparently not noticing that the military is a sizable chunk of this behemoth. In December 2010, for example, a Republican senator from Oklahoma railed against the national debt with this statement: “We're really at war. We're on three fronts now: Iraq, Afghanistan, and the financial tsunami [arising from the debt] that is facing us.” Only in recent months have some Tea Party-affiliated legislators broken with tradition by declaring their willingness to cut military spending.
How the Warfare State Became the Welfare State
If military spending is still for the most part sacrosanct, ever more spending cuts are required to shrink “big government.” Then what remains is the cutting of domestic spending, especially social programs for the poor, who lack the means to finance politicians, and all too often the incentive to vote as well. From the Reagan years on, the U.S. government has chipped away at dozens of programs that had helped sustain people who are underpaid or unemployed, including housing subsidies, state-supplied health insurance, public transportation, welfare for single parents, college tuition aid, and inner-city economic development projects.
Even the physical infrastructure -- bridges, airports, roads, and tunnels -- used by people of all classes has been left at dangerous levels of disrepair. Antiwar protestors wistfully point out, year after year, what the cost of our high-tech weapon systems, our global network of more than 1,000 military bases, and our various “interventions” could buy if applied to meeting domestic human needs. But to no effect.
This ongoing sacrifice of domestic welfare for military “readiness” represents the reversal of a historic trend. Ever since the introduction of mass armies in Europe in the seventeenth century, governments have generally understood that to underpay and underfeed one's troops -- and the class of people that supplies them -- is to risk having the guns pointed in the opposite direction from that which the officers recommend.
In fact, modern welfare states, inadequate as they may be, are in no small part the product of war -- that is, of governments' attempts to appease soldiers and their families. In the U.S., for example, the Civil War led to the institution of widows' benefits, which were the predecessor of welfare in its Aid to Families with Dependent Children form. It was the bellicose German leader Otto von Bismarck who first instituted national health insurance.
World War II spawned educational benefits and income support for American veterans and led, in the United Kingdom, to a comparatively generous welfare state, including free health care for all. Notions of social justice and fairness, or at least the fear of working class insurrections, certainly played a part in the development of twentieth century welfare states, but there was a pragmatic military motivation as well: if young people are to grow up to be effective troops, they need to be healthy, well-nourished, and reasonably well-educated.
In the U.S., the steady withering of social programs that might nurture future troops even serves, ironically, to justify increased military spending. In the absence of a federal jobs program, Congressional representatives become fierce advocates for weapons systems that the Pentagon itself has no use for, as long as the manufacture of those weapons can provide employment for some of their constituents.
With diminishing funds for higher education, military service becomes a less dismal alternative for young working-class people than the low-paid jobs that otherwise await them. The U.S. still has a civilian welfare state consisting largely of programs for the elderly (Medicare and Social Security). For many younger Americans, however, as well as for older combat veterans, the U.S. military is the welfare state -- and a source, however temporarily, of jobs, housing, health care and education.
Eventually, however, the failure to invest in America’s human resources -- through spending on health, education, and so forth -- undercuts the military itself. In World War I, public health experts were shocked to find that one-third of conscripts were rejected as physically unfit for service; they were too weak and flabby or too damaged by work-related accidents.
Several generations later, in 2010, the U.S. Secretary of Education reported that “75 percent of young Americans, between the ages of 17 to 24, are unable to enlist in the military today because they have failed to graduate from high school, have a criminal record, or are physically unfit.” When a nation can no longer generate enough young people who are fit for military service, that nation has two choices: it can, as a number of prominent retired generals are currently advocating, reinvest in its “human capital,” especially the health and education of the poor, or it can seriously reevaluate its approach to war.
The Fog of (Robot) War
Since the rightward, anti-“big government” tilt of American politics more or less precludes the former, the U.S. has been scrambling to develop less labor-intensive forms of waging war. In fact, this may prove to be the ultimate military utility of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan: if they have gained the U.S. no geopolitical advantage, they have certainly served as laboratories and testing grounds for forms of future warfare that involve less human, or at least less governmental, commitment.
One step in that direction has been the large-scale use of military contract workers supplied by private companies, which can be seen as a revival of the age-old use of mercenaries. Although most of the functions that have been outsourced to private companies -- including food services, laundry, truck driving, and construction -- do not involve combat, they are dangerous, and some contract workers have even been assigned to the guarding of convoys and military bases.
Contractors are still men and women, capable of bleeding and dying -- and surprising numbers of them have indeed died. In the initial six months of 2010, corporate deaths exceeded military deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan for the first time. But the Pentagon has little or no responsibility for the training, feeding, or care of private contractors. If wounded or psychologically damaged, American contract workers must turn, like any other injured civilian employees, to the Workers’ Compensation system, hence their sense of themselves as a “disposable army.” By 2009, the trend toward privatization had gone so far that the number of private contractors in Afghanistan exceeded the number of American troops there.
An alternative approach is to eliminate or drastically reduce the military’s dependence on human beings of any kind. This would have been an almost unthinkable proposition a few decades ago, but technologies employed in Iraq and Afghanistan have steadily stripped away the human role in war. Drones, directed from sites up to 7,500 miles away in the western United States, are replacing manned aircraft.
Video cameras, borne by drones, substitute for human scouts or information gathered by pilots. Robots disarm roadside bombs. When American forces invaded Iraq in 2003, no robots accompanied them; by 2008, there were 12,000 participating in the war. Only a handful of drones were used in the initial invasion; today, the U.S. military has an inventory of more than 7,000, ranging from the familiar Predator to tiny Ravens and Wasps used to transmit video images of events on the ground. Far stranger fighting machines are in the works, like swarms of lethal “cyborg insects” that could potentially replace human infantry.
These developments are by no means limited to the U.S. The global market for military robotics and unmanned military vehicles is growing fast, and includes Israel, a major pioneer in the field, Russia, the United Kingdom, Iran, South Korea, and China. Turkey is reportedly readying a robot force for strikes against Kurdish insurgents; Israel hopes to eventually patrol the Gaza border with “see-shoot” robots that will destroy people perceived as transgressors as soon as they are detected.
It is hard to predict how far the automation of war and the substitution of autonomous robots for human fighters will go. On the one hand, humans still have the advantage of superior visual discrimination. Despite decades of research in artificial intelligence, computers cannot make the kind of simple distinctions -- as in determining whether a cow standing in front of a barn is a separate entity or a part of the barn -- that humans can make in a fraction of a second.
Thus, as long as there is any premium on avoiding civilian deaths, humans have to be involved in processing the visual information that leads, for example, to the selection of targets for drone attacks. If only as the equivalent of seeing-eye dogs, humans will continue to have a role in war, at least until computer vision improves.
On the other hand, the human brain lacks the bandwidth to process all the data flowing into it, especially as new technologies multiply that data. In the clash of traditional mass armies, under a hail of arrows or artillery shells, human warriors often found themselves confused and overwhelmed, a condition attributed to “the fog of war." Well, that fog is growing a lot thicker. U.S. military officials, for instance, put the blame on “information overload” for the killing of 23 Afghan civilians in February 2010, and the New York Times reported that:
“Across the military, the data flow has surged; since the attacks of 9/11, the amount of intelligence gathered by remotely piloted drones and other surveillance technologies has risen 1,600 percent. On the ground, troops increasingly use hand-held devices to communicate, get directions and set bombing coordinates. And the screens in jets can be so packed with data that some pilots call them “drool buckets” because, they say, they can get lost staring into them.”
When the sensory data coming at a soldier is augmented by a flood of instantaneously transmitted data from distant cameras and computer search engines, there may be no choice but to replace the sloppy “wet-ware” of the human brain with a robotic system for instant response.
War Without Humans
Once set in place, the cyber-automation of war is hard to stop. Humans will cling to their place “in the loop” as long as they can, no doubt insisting that the highest level of decision-making -- whether to go to war and with whom -- be reserved for human leaders. But it is precisely at the highest levels that decision-making may most need automating. A head of state faces a blizzard of factors to consider, everything from historical analogies and satellite-derived intelligence to assessments of the readiness of potential allies. Furthermore, as the enemy automates its military, or in the case of a non-state actor, simply adapts to our level of automation, the window of time for effective responses will grow steadily narrower. Why not turn to a high-speed computer? It is certainly hard to imagine a piece of intelligent hardware deciding to respond to the 9/11 attacks by invading Iraq.
So, after at least 10,000 years of intra-species fighting -- of scorched earth, burned villages, razed cities, and piled up corpses, as well, of course, as all the great epics of human literature -- we have to face the possibility that the institution of war might no longer need us for its perpetuation. Human desires, especially for the Earth’s diminishing supply of resources, will still instigate wars for some time to come, but neither human courage nor human bloodlust will carry the day on the battlefield.
Computers will assess threats and calibrate responses; drones will pinpoint enemies; robots might roll into the streets of hostile cities. Beyond the individual battle or smaller-scale encounter, decisions as to whether to match attack with counterattack, or one lethal technological innovation with another, may also be eventually ceded to alien minds.
This should not come as a complete surprise. Just as war has shaped human social institutions for millennia, so has it discarded them as the evolving technology of war rendered them useless. When war was fought with blades by men on horseback, it favored the rule of aristocratic warrior elites. When the mode of fighting shifted to action-at-a-distance weapons like bows and guns, the old elites had to bow to the central authority of kings, who, in turn, were undone by the democratizing forces unleashed by new mass armies.
Even patriarchy cannot depend on war for its long-term survival, since the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have, at least within U.S. forces, established women’s worth as warriors. Over the centuries, human qualities once deemed indispensable to war fighting -- muscular power, manliness, intelligence, judgment -- have one by one become obsolete or been ceded to machines.
What will happen then to the “passions of war”? Except for individual acts of martyrdom, war is likely to lose its glory and luster. Military analyst P.W. Singer quotes an Air Force captain musing about whether the new technologies will “mean that brave men and women will no longer face death in combat,” only to reassure himself that “there will always be a need for intrepid souls to fling their bodies across the sky.”
Perhaps, but in a 2010 address to Air Force Academy cadets, an under secretary of defense delivered the “bad news” that most of them would not be flying airplanes, which are increasingly unmanned. War will continue to be used against insurgencies as well as to “take out” the weapons facilities, command centers, and cities of designated rogue states. It may even continue to fascinate its aficionados, in the manner of computer games. But there will be no triumphal parades for killer nano-bugs, no epics about unmanned fighter planes, no monuments to fallen bots.
And in that may lie our last hope. With the decline of mass militaries and their possible replacement by machines, we may finally see that war is not just an extension of our needs and passions, however base or noble. Nor is it likely to be even a useful test of our courage, fitness, or national unity. War has its own dynamic or -- in case that sounds too anthropomorphic -- its own grim algorithms to work out. As it comes to need us less, maybe we will finally see that we don’t need it either. We can leave it to the ants.
This essay is a revised and updated version of the afterword to the British edition of Blood Rites: Origins and History of the Passions of War (Granta, 2011). To listen to Timothy MacBain’s latest TomCast audio interview in which Ehrenreich discusses the nature of war and how to fight against it, click here, or download it to your iPod here.
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Show AllAs Tolstoy said (according to Elaine), "War...what's it good for?"
I remember that Edwin Starr said something very similar to that also in his song "War". I never knew that Norman Whitfield and Barrett Strong who wrote "War" for Edwin Starr cribbed the line from Tolstoy.
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That is so true!
Although one wonders if "War and Peace" would have been as highly acclaimed as it was if it was published under its original name "War---What Is It Good For?"
Go tell it to the Marines.
Monuments to mechanized war are already here. Planted in parks and town squares all across the u.s. are tanks, artillery pieces, attack helicopters, obsolete jet fighters, and even missiles. Nothing says picnic and inspires national pride like heavy metal instruments of death.
As David Swanson accurately notes in the title of his extremely well written book: War Is a Lie.
Erroll, I wrote those exact words in large bold letters on large plate glass windows at the college where I was working in 2001.
The late Marine Corp General Smedley Darlington Butler, a two time recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor, expressed similar sentiments in his book titled "War Is A Racket". It should be required reading for all Americans.
Yep, He stated plainly that he finally realized he was "working" for corporate profits.
Buck I couldn't help my self from providing this quote from Gen. Butler after you mentioned that he came to the realization that he fought in the Marine Corps for corporate profits. Butler wrote:
"I helped make Mexico safe for the American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenue in. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers.......I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras "right" for American fruit companies in 1903. Looking back on it. I might have given Al Capone a few hints!"
Gen. Smedley D. Butler quoted in a New York Times interview, 21 August, 1931.
You couldn't be more right about making it required reading.
A friend of my nephew joined the marines last summer because he couldn't find work. I suggested that he read it. He didn't and has been deployed.
Also;
Butler was approached by scum capitalists to stage a coup, referred to as the Business Plot. He refused and blew the whistle, but no action was taken or charges filed on the perpetrators, which included Prescott Bush.
Buck I hope that your nephew's friend will have a safe military career. We all make mistakes in our youth. I served 15 years in the U.S. Army, with two combat tours, before coming to my senses and resigning my commission on political grounds in 1992.
Thank you for mentioning that Butler was approached by capitalists to lead a coup that was promoted by conspirators that included George W. Bush's grandfather Senator Prescott Bush. Prescott Bush was a despicable character. His son and grandson, both of whom became American presidents, provide support for the maxim "an apple does not fall far from the tree".
Thanks for mentioning Gen. Butler and "War Is a Racket,' Photius. He should, indeed, be required reading for our armed services and the general public, and he was IMO one of the bravest Marines to ever serve this country, not due to his medals, but because he spoke the honest truth and believed in our Constitution. I just wanted to add that the insidious plot to overturn the gov't that Butler revealed was against FDR -- Butler was supposed to lead an army of 100,000 'private contractors' hired by the high-and-mighty right into Washington and arrest FDR in the White House, on what charge, I can't say. I also don't know how they thought they could get away with deposing a popular president elected in a landslide, but perhaps other readers can shed some light on that.
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Timeout people. No matter how advanced technology gets, there will always be the need for human presence to maintain or change it. If the powers to be know that it will afflict them too, then you can be rest assured that they'll see to it that us I.T. slaves will be brought on board to shut them down. Otherwise, it's just business as usual and we'll be brain drained just like all other professions, more on that later. If computers can be trained to "destroy", then they can also be trained to be constructive and friendly. Now let's all get out there and take away their "remote controls" if we can't defeat those "machines".
Excellent points maxpayne.
Let's also not lose sight of the fact that in the history of mankind, more lives have been lost in wars as a result of technology that is much less sophisticated than unmanned aerial vehicles, nuclear weapons, and precision guided munitions.
The best that we can hope for is that as Barbara Ehrenreich writes: "...we may finally see that war is not just an extension of our needs and passions, however base or noble. Nor is it likely to be even a useful test of our courage, fitness, or national unity. War has its own dynamic or -- in case that sounds too anthropomorphic -- its own grim algorithms to work out. As it comes to need us less, maybe we will finally see that we don’t need it either."
Several of the high profile cases where civilians in Iraq were shot from helicopters fell into the category you described. The soldiers knew and didn't care or weren't sure and did not want to take the risk. A robot could have avoided these outcomes if properly implemented. If there's any luck for us, we might get those robots to be reprogrammed as peaceniks and shut the MIC down. That or get the robots to develop the ethics even some of us seem to lack, but then, they probably would find good reasons not to tolerate us any longer.
As far as what to hope on, wars always begin at the verbal level long before the physical part gets under way. Even some of the most vocal anti-war people will have a pro-war attitude without realizing it. I may not be a drama king/queen for an anti-war vocal but I have and will continue to do my part to help steer us away from the war machine with a peaceful attitude. Talk about being a silent anti-warrior.
By the way, thanks for the polite reply.
Maxpayne there is a great book that I think that you might be interested in that is part of the Blackwell Philosophy and Pop Culture Series titled "Terminator and Philosophy: I'll Be Back, Therefore I Am".
http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/Section/id-324354.html
The book has a number of essays that examine from a philosophical perspective some of the issues that you raise on the proliferation of robotic technology and artificial intelligence. It's a great read. I highly recommend it.
With your background in IT you might also enjoy "Science and Philosophy: From Time Travel To Superintelligence" from Wiley-Blackwell.
You might also enjoy some of the other titles in the Blackwell Philosophy and Pop Culture Series and the Open Court Court Publishing Philosophy and Pop Culture Series. One title that I am really looking forward to from Open Court Publishing is the upcoming "Philip K. Dick and Philosophy". P.K. Dick was a genius. The science fiction classic "Blade Runner" was based upon P.K. Dick's novel "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep". A number of other movies such as "A Scanner Darkly", "Minority Report", and "Total Recall" are based on P.K Dick novels.
Thanks for your civility in your posts and replies.
Photius, that's the first time I've seen a book that appears to analyze the various philosophies around it. Thanks and I'll check it out.
By the way, I saw the bin-Laden thread on 9/11 and I have a mixed view on it. I replied to one of your posts at http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/07/06.
Hello maxpayne,
I read your comments from the 7/6/2011 thread. I found your argument to be rational, logical, cogent, and presented in a civil manner as all of your discourses that I have read have been.
Although, I disagreed with my major opponents, I made it clear on a number of occasions that I did not consider them to be delusional or part of the lunatic fringe of political thought simply because they held views different from mine.
I believe that the official 9/11 Commission Report is flawed for some of the same reasons that you enumerated in your post.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
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The article leaves me feeling optimistic. The US, with all its aircraft carriers, drones, bombs, and missiles, cannot defeat an enemy consisting of ordinary people with more humdrum armaments. That means it won't be calling the shots anymore. In short, the US is irrelevant. Lots of countries are beginning to understand that fact.
WWII was both our greatest triumph and our greatest defeat. The US defeated its enemies handily but doomed itself to decades of military preparations in the futile hope of dominating the world scene. We got stuck in primitive notions of warfare and threats to our nation by conventional enemies, while other countries could adapt to the changed world: they did not throw away their national treasure on obsolescent weapons systems. Now we are paying for our "triumph" in WWII through the economic collapse of our country, caused in part by endless military adventures abroad. It will take a long time to take the blinders off.
There is some cause for optimism, drosera; our military has become a helpless, bumbling giant, something like the weightlifters whose muscles are so inflated and over-tensed they can sprain a wrist by turning a door key, or tear a ligament by getting up from a chair too quickly. Unfortunately, an old axiom is true of today's Pentagon; the generals are still fighting the last war and by that I mean WWII, the last war in which the enemy was entirely vanquished. The US military, like the global financial world, is collapsing of its own hubristic self-reverence, archaic notions, monumental inepitude, and failure to face reality.
For example, one of the major absurdities of our incursion in Afghanistan is the weather and topography of the nation itself. They have two seasons over there, muddy and dry. During the muddy season, our equipment and troops cannot function freely; during the dry season, a battalion of mechanized infantry can be spotted miles away by the dust cloud thrown up as it advances, as well as the swarms of attack helicopters that precede it. Therefore, the factor of surprise is obviated and our troops are sitting ducks for hit-and-run guerilla operations that sap morale as well as lives and materiel. Moreover, the US high commmand is still addicted to conquering and holding territory; those opposing them, like the Viet Cong 40 years ago, care more about decimating and instilling fear in our our troops rather than defending plots of land or major cities. The British had similar troubles and a likeminded approach in Afghanistan and it led to their complete withdrawal, as it will ours. I guess it's to be expected that the cheerleading and/or ignorant US media rarely addresses these basic military problems. Despite the use of drones and other robotic equipment, the brass hats are continuing in their support for a ground-based victory that is impossible.
hay, Barbara!
First, I loved Nickled and Dimed...thank you...
that said, however, I must say you are being far too kind in your evaluation of ths situation...things are much more dire than you imply...
war has ever been a private use of public resources for private gain...in the past, it was for land, and the resources therein...the most recent, of course, being the conquering of the Americas...
now, however, war exists to propagate wealth via a number of activities...
there is the actual land, and resources, still, such as oil, or heroin, or minerals, or textile workers, or sex slaves, or iPad assemblers, or agricultural workers, or what have you...
then, there is the manufacture and sale of weaponry...
then, there is the investing in all of the various companies that benefit from the economic activities that follow in the wake of murder and enslavement...
the global banks that finance all sides and aspects of all conflicts at interest...
the enormous corporations that specialize, not in fighting, but in all of the attendant apparatus: refineries, ports, shipping locks, dams, bridges, etc...
the governmental structures controlling local populations that need to be usurped or replaced...
the insurance and chemical and medical industries that conspire with industry to cause and cure diseases at the citizen's expense...
the media and religion and schools that tie together various educations into a citizenry primed to not just accept, but endorse, and enable such conditions...
I could go on and on, Barbara...
the US government is a criminal organization, working on behalf of a larger criminal organization, and very real evidence regarding very real ongoing investigations of very real crimes was destroyed on 911...an event you dismiss far too readily, my dear...
those buildings contained actual offices...what were they? what investigations were underway within those offices?
I am going to have a hard time reading any more of your work if you do not exhibit thinking that goes a bit deeper...
on the other hand, I also understand the pressures upon published writers to toe the party line...
journalists die for crossing such lines...
regarding drones...they are not to be taken lightly...
I believe we will, quite soon, stop viewing them as a subject for discussion...they will become a subject to be avoided...
literally...
drosera I believe that America's path down the road to perdition began well before the Cold War aftermath of WWII.
It began with the "Manifest Destiny" doctrine under James K. Polk, and was further codified under the imperialist exploits of William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson. The waging of perpetual warfare by the U.S. under the guise of protecting the national security of the U.S. is simply a ruse to mask the imperialist aims of the U.S.
As you have state quite eloquently, American imperialism is leading to the economic ruin of this nation.
I am a student of history, too, and I agree with you. At the very beginning of this country, the founders of the country did not want to get involved in European conflicts. A fair number of immigrants came here in hope they would avoid the incessant wars over there. After the Civil War, the United States got cocky--it was eager to create its own empire and got a good start on that project with the Spanish American War. WWI was fought in the naive belief that the whole world could become like us: We could make the world 'safe for democracy."
WWII is still playing itself out in this country. The endless parades honoring WWII soldiers, the license plates on cars recognizing service in that war, the monuments dedicated to it, the films, Brokaw's book, "The Greatest Generation"--all of these things tell me that we can't let go of that war. Maybe it is because we have utterly failed in every military adventure since that time--such that we need to remember the "good times."
Oddly, I was born in 1944, and as a kid I do not remember returning soldiers talking endlessly about their military experience. They wanted to get on with life. Now, it seems like the peak of everybody's life back then was their service in wartime. Jeez, what about their families, their careers, their thirty-year tenure in a bowling league? That goddam war was the best thing that happened? They are coasting on a past that, for the most part, never existed.
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My father served in combat in the Marines in the Pacific Theater in WWII, but he rarely talked about it. In the neighborhoods where I grew up, you could throw a rock and hit a combat veteran of the 'Good War' and I don't recall them talking about it much either. Most had seen so many horrors they just wanted to forget them. When, as a kid, I asked what my dad did in the war, his terse answer would be that he was a Marine in the South Pacific and he'd quickly change the subject. I was 19 before he told me of the firefights on Guadalcanal and other islands, his friends eviscerated or blown to pieces, and the whole bloody monstrosity that is war. He naively thought, as did many others who served in WWII, that he had just fought the last war, especially after the atomic bombs were dropped, and that his children and grandchildren would never have to go through the nightmare he did. It's a tragedy he was wrong.
It's not that the hard right hasn't noticed that the war machine is a big part of big government, it's that they like this part of a big government. Big military, big police presence, big prisons, and privatize them all as much as possible. No government involvement in anything to do with health, education, infrastructure, etc. Just the areas that have to do with direct physical control, and these should be maximally privatized for profit.
Rome collapsed not because the barbarians became stronger, but because Rome decayed. We are well advance along the same path.
Excellent observation loopless. I have frequently compared the decline of the American Republic to the decline of the Roman Republic. The same factors are at play. Just like the Roman Republic, the American Republic is becoming an authoritarian dictatorship. The American Empire is now starting to decay just like the Roman Empire.
Why not go further and note that the Roman army eventually consisted of mercenaries from Gaul. Today, the mercenaries work for Xe (Blackwater). Machiavelli thought that countries should have standing armies because mercenaries cannot be trusted. But we have not learned that lesson.
Sheepherder,
American political officials and most Americans don't know the history that you have cited. Additionally, they don't feel that ancient history is relevant to modern world affairs. By not knowing this history they confirm philosopher George Santayana's observation that those who do not learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them.
A simple reading of the history of Afghanistan from the conquests of Alexander the Great to the former Soviet Union's conquest in the late 20th century should have provided the Bush and Obama administrations with sufficient evidence that military interventions in Afghanistan would be fraught with hazards and would ultimately be unsuccessful.
PHOTIUS: First of all, I find the "we" cumbersome. Plenty of people learn from war, but they're seldom the ones who wish to work for the MIC. And if they're not in the political chain of command, what influence would they wield on foreign policy?
Second, which would be more profitable to the average drug company: to cure cancer, depression, Diabetes, once and for all... or to have people on virtual "health management programs," where their bodies are essentially rented back to them?
I relate that as preface because it makes for a good analogy with the war profiteers in our make-war state. Were a war to be actually won, it would be time to shuttle the troops and infrastructure out of the quagmire, tout suite. However, if a war is ongoing, that gurantees a steady stream of profit.
If we intend to be honest, we should admit that underneath all the PR attached to ideals like "freedom" and "democracy," the truth is more akin to the drug firm that needs to have persons hooked on its stuff. War is a drug to those who think violent force makes them more manly; and it's a steady source of dark profits to the makers of weaponry who have sleazed their way into just about every one of the 50 states.
And Drosera, as to the escalating fascination for war, soldiers, and the big parade... I would say that having split the atom, a spell of sorts was cast, and since then, Mars, god of war, has substituted for the god too many Amerikans unwittingly serve. (Along with Mammon, its key sponsor.)
Siouxrose the word "we" that you find so cumbersome only appeared once in my posts. It was when I replied to Buck and stated that we all make mistakes in our youth. I was speaking to Buck in reference to what I viewed as a mistake on the part of a friend of Buck's nephew to join the Marine Corps.
I simply pointed out to Buck that I made a similar mistake during my youth and served 15 years in the U.S. Army with two combat tours. I came to my senses and resigned my commission in 1992.
What service members who are not in the political chain of command can do which will influence foreign policy is to do as I did. Resign your commission or do not re-enlist in the armed forces when your military commitment has been completed.
I don't know if you have ever served in the military, but you would be surprised that despite the hardship that members of the armed forces and their families have experienced as a result of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the rates of re-enlistment for service members is quite high. If fact, many members of the armed forces re-enlist while they are actually on deployment in combat zones in Iraq and Afghanistan. If service members did not re-enlist at the rates that they do, the U.S. would not be able to maintain standing armies to support empire. To maintain its standing armies, the U.S. would have to institute either the draft or compulsory military service.
PHOTIUS: I was responding to the INTIMATION (if not quote) that suggested that we, as a nation, do not learn from war or the past.
As to recruits signing up again, please tell me you are serious? Or do you not realize what the painful unemployment numbers mean insofar as making the MIC look like an "attractive" option. I hope you're not trying to say that "Gee, all these families dig wars" that are ultimately illegal, and have a great time killing those they are assigned to kill...which happens to follow right along the lines of "'we were just following orders."
You sound like another apologist for militarism... which is sad given the FACT that the latest wars are all bogus, launched on the basis of fixed (a/ka falsified) pretexts, and virtually insure that Amerika will pay a heavy price for the carnage. It's called karmic blowback, and whether you personally understand or agree with the premise, or not, happens to be immaterial.
Of course I would NEVER be part of a war... or enter the MIC. I'd rather eat span and live in a tent.
RSJ: Great posts. You are a wise and humane individual and thinker.
Siouxrose,
Our misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan when viewed in light of our history of conflicts such as Korea and Vietnam shows that collectively the U.S. as a nation has not learned the lessons from wars of the past. We have been involved in warfare in Afghanistan for 10 years and only recently have polls begun to shown that a majority of Americans are now opposed to U.S. involvement in Afghanistan. How can you even assert that the U.S. collectively as a nation has learned its lessons from the wars of the past?
In my earlier post I was not asserting that the highly selected group of individuals who are regular readers of the articles published on CD, and participants in this forum have no knowledge of the mistakes of our past wars. I referred quite specifically to our political leaders and most of the American public. I continue to stand by my prior statement.
What I said regarding re-enlistment rates of currently serving members of the armed forces is based upon facts. You can readily obtain the information from the U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S. Air Force, and U.S. Marine Corps if you so desire. I have stated unequivocally in this forum on prior occasions that if our youth were informed on the dangers of empire and militarism, and if our youth were capable of critical thought, they might consider working 1-2 minimum wage jobs if necessary while they strive to achieve their life goals rather than join the military.
Painful unemployment numbers are not sufficient reasons for young men and women to enter the armed forces. We as a nation have done a poor job of educating our youth on the dangers of militarism.
Before you make statements such as "I hope you're not trying to say that "Gee, all these families dig wars" that are ultimately illegal, and have a great time killing those they are assigned to kill...which happens to follow right along the lines of "'we were just following orders.", I would suggest that you obtain some data from the various service branches and examine the actual demographics of the population that has joined and is joining the armed forces, and the reasons that they have chosen to join the armed forces.
What you don't realize, having never served in the armed forces, is that most members of the armed forces have not joined the armed forces for simply economic reasons.
Your assertion that I sound like "another apologist for militarism" is just absurd. Often, you don't seem to read what I write critically. I have stated my opposition to all of America's current wars and stated quite explicitly that I as a veteran of two combat tours and 15 years of service in the United States Army voluntarily resigned my commission on political grounds. I also specifically quoted and recommended as reading for all Americans the writings of the late Marine General Smedley Darlington Butler. General Butler was a two time recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor. General Butler came to the recognition that he served his illustrious military career in the interest of American businesses rather than in the interest of American national security. He became a staunch opponent of militarism. How can you construe that anything that I have written sounds like I am an apologist for militarism?
In my exchanges with loopless and sheepherder, I agreed with their comparisons of America's current state with the state of the late Roman Republic and the late Roman Empire. This point of view has been held by people such as the esteemed late historian and political scientist Chalmers Johnson. I know that you are not the biggest fan of political scientist Andrew Bacevich, but he also shares a similar view. The libertarian constitutional law scholars Bruce Fein and Johnathan Turley, and liberal constitutional law scholar Lawrence Tribe also share the above view.
Militarism contributed to the fall of the Roman Republic and it's becoming the Roman Empire. Militarism and the over reach of empire contributed to the fall of the Roman Empire. I stated specifically that in my view empire and militarism are contributing to the economic decline of the American Republic.
I hope that this post has made my views clear to you. It might not, because as you once asserted, I'm probably a "paid psy-ops agent".
Okay, Photius... what I "get" from you, and it IS a vibe, is a lot like what I get from the writing of someone like Andrew Bacevich. You guys are SO steeped in "military" culture that your entire worldview is shaped by it, as an insider. I suppose that's where my sense of your being an apologist comes from. I do understand that the individual who is truly reformed can be a GREAT ally to the Agencies of Change. For instance, one of my favorite quotes, and it pertains to Germany today (as is seen in their using their engineering talents NOT to build weapons, but rather to lead the world in certain green technologies) is, "The enlightened warrior is positioned to best understand the benefits of peace."
You still confuse "we," which is to say the Amerikan public, a public that is HEAVILY conditioned/programmed/propagandized by a media in part OWNED by a weapons producing company, added to all the, as playwright Bill C. Davis termed it, "Generals: On Stage!" in the lead-up to war...with a WE that grants consent to these delusional battles, ones responsible for the likely slaughter of over a million civilians!
Is the propagandized citizen who's fed a diet of lies truly complicit with what WARRIORS do? Or what a small elite that plans these enterprises elects to do? You keep making the false presumptiion that what the MIC plans and executes reflects the will of the civilian citizenry. I say that is NOT true! Although you and I DO agree on the Smedley Butler/John Perkins' angle.
Once again, I would challenge your use of the premise WE. I don't recall the quote that in one sentence explains how propaganda is so necessary to convince citizens to go to war at all. Are lies on an equivalent plane to truth?
In any case, thank you for your post. There is some common ideologial ground between us... but I do feel that you are still infused with the thought process of militarism, itself. As a woman, and someone who's been anti-war since age 14... someone who's been writing, teaching, and counseling to alter consciousness away from Force First, I don't share your conditioning.
BTW, regardless of the statistics you wish me to look up, I am sure that a good portion of soldiers sign up because the economy has so few options. And, although it's late, (so I don't want to belabor this point at length) the Christian element OUGHT to be mentioned. Since I live in the Bible Belt, I see the disgusting conflation between the churches and militarism. They push a twisted pseudo-religious cross between patriotism and would-be Armageddon in luring lots of naive kids to the killing fields.
The American Empire has not existed, if it ever did, for quite some time. National Pride, like religious beliefs, is a ring in the nose of the ignorant. The chains that bind us, as it were. The "Keepers" wave no flags, recognize no boundaries. swear no allegiance. If I recall, G. Washington granted tracts of land to British officers while forgetting to pay his foot soldiers.
@ Photius, Jul 11 2011 - 11:40am: Was Junior Bush our Caligula and Obama our Claudius?
RSJ,
I agree with your comparison of Obama and Claudius. Although Claudius was thought to be a dunce and was an embarrassment to Augustus and Livia, he was actually a very intelligent man. Claudius wrote some important histories of early Rome that unfortunately are not available to us.
Bush is another animal. I see Bush more as a hybrid of the "crazy" and despotic emperors such as Commodus, Caracalla, Caligula, Nero, and Elagabulus.
On his foreign policy misadventure in Iraq, Bush made the same mistake that some Roman Emperors that he is in no way comparable to made. These included the great Trajan, Marcus Aurelius, Septimus Serverus, Julian, and Valerian. All of these emperors had imperial misadventures in the east on campaigns against the Parthians.
Thanks for your learned reply, Photius -- you're obviously a scholar of the history of the Roman Empire. (I wish more of our gov't factotums were.) One thing: I don't think Bush's invasion and occupation of Iraq was a 'mistake' -- friends of the Bush family, and even some of his relatives profited greatly from Iraq, as well as Halliburton, where Dick Cheney was CEO before he selected himself as Bush's VP. The Project for a New American Century, with such members as Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and Don Rumsfeld, were pressing for an invasion of Iraq when Clinton was president. Tens of billions of dollars have 'disappeared' in Iraq, as well as oil that, up until a few years ago, was unmetered and shipped out of the country. No, this was no mistake but an intentional looting of the US treasury under the guise of fighting terrorism.
"With the decline of mass militaries and their possible replacement by machines, we may finally see that war is not just an extension of our needs and passions, however base or noble. Nor is it likely to be even a useful test of our courage, fitness, or national unity. "
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The best humor is delivered with a straight face and serious tone--Barbara Ehrenreich is a comedienne without peer--thanks Barb for a little lightness to balance out the other grotesqueness of the news of the day.
I still wish that Chris Hedges' insightful "War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning" had been entitled, "War Is a Bad Habit We Just Can't Break".
"Military history offers no ready precedents for such wildly misaimed retaliation."
Um, Barbara, if you could quit playing the simp and realize that 9/11 was false flag attack then you would see that there are PLENTY of precedents in which governments aided and abetted enemies to bring forth war.
The USS Maine
The Lusitania
Pearl Harbor
The Gulf of Tonkin
Let's see come up with a convoluted explanation about the Iraq War vis a vis 9/11 or cut to the chase and realize that the data point to 9/11 being yet another event in the long line of deception being used to promote war fervor amongst a populace.
As to the discussion on robots and warfare, how different from robots are many of the brainwashed soldiers in the American and Israeli armed forces especially the special forces divisions?
I would argue that we already closer than you think in "waging wars" without human beings as the propaganda systems in our countries and others have become very adept at mass-producing "robots" who will take innocent life for no other reason than they were told to do so.
polycarpe,
Well said. These humans that reject their humanity by planning and perpetuating wars see these travesties as a business. Unless they are interested in reducing the local male population in both warring parties by attrition (i.e. baby boomers are too plentiful so let's go to Viet Nam), they are concerned only with corporate profits.
Because the repitiles in these corporations wish to outsource human activity to machines, they are unwittingly dooming themselves. While it is true that they will initially eliminate a lot of human logistics costs, all those machines out there have no loyalty to anyone. It's just a matter of time before the population targeted by these machines will capture one or several of them intact and learn to use them against those sending the machines. Furthermore, how many members of the military are going to vote for the swag the MIC gets when humans aren't getting any jobs from the MIC?
I celebrate the move by the MIC to machines. They are setting themselves up for failure because of their boundless greed.
GOOD!
I don't wanna rain on your parade but the MIC always fails on purpose to succeed, machines or otherwise. With what you said on the first paragraph, this just goes to show that feminism just isn't there to help fight back and win it for peace. As for rejecting humanity, you'll never see that from me no matter who abuses my generosity or humanity.
This reads like a report from a military advisory think tank about the problems that the military will be facing in the future.
It gets off to a bad start with a few statements that CD readers should choke on. Speaking of Iraq, "Military history offers no ready precedents for such wildly misaimed retaliation". It wasn't "retaliation". It was all set down quite clearly in the PNAC.
"...the targeting of Iraq also represented a desperate and irrational response to what was, for Washington, an utterly confounding military situation." This is nonsense. This is letting the neocons off the hook with a mild wrist slap for hysteria and stupidity, rather than acknowledging imperialist motives.
"...fighting a more or less randomly selected nation-state" Again.
Beyond these statements, the article seems to be analyzing ways in which the military can be more viable..."investing in human capital", and "less labor-intensive forms of waging war" that may prove the "ultimate military utility of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan"
In regard to technology, I think Ehrenreich is not looking deep enough into psychology. War glorifies brutality. Technology intensifies and breeds creative brutality. The fact that there may not be a need for "mass militaries" only accentuates the proclivity for arrogance and the national penchant for always going one step further in addictive "there will be no consequences" pathology.
I know it is Barbara Ehrenreich, but I see what I see.