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Reagan Mythology is Leading US Off a Cliff
During Reagan's presidency, the US went from a creditor to debtor nation and marked a take-off for financial inequality.
As things stand today, the US is hurtling toward a budget showdown in less than a month. Either President Obama will once again capitulate to extreme Republican budget-slashing demands, making Democrats seem as much of a threat to Medicare as Republicans, and virtually ensuring a GOP electoral sweep in 2012, or the US will default on its debt for the first time in its history, most likely plunging the world economy back into another five-continent recession, also costing Democrats the 2012 elections. These are the options left for a president and a political class completely divorced both from reality, and its own history of how one of the three greatest US presidents of all time steered the country from the brink of collapse eight decades ago
Corporate CowboyEntirely forgetting the real history of how Franklin D Roosevelt used activist government to save American capitalism from itself, the entire US political establishment is instead hypnotized by the false history woven around its most over-hyped president of all time: Ronald Reagan. Idolatry of Reagan's supposed tax-cutting wonders propels the now widespread economic belief that up is down, that cutting government spending is the way out of - rather than into - a severe recession. At the same time, idolatry of Reagan's supposed political wonders propels GOP extremists to ignore all other considerations.
Because of this hypnotism, America's political establishment has barely even begun to notice two unconventional possible ways out that remain, neither of which require anything from Congress, but both of which need bold presidential leadership ala FDR.
The first is to ignore the debt ceiling, relying directly on the 14th Amendment's statement that: "the validity of the public debt of the United States … shall not be questioned". The second is a proposal from maverick Republican Ron Paul to have the Federal Reserve Board destroy the $1.6 trillion in government bonds that it currently holds, which progressive economist Dean Baker recently wrote, "actually makes a great deal of sense". It might take some arm-twisting on Obama's part, but Congress has no say over the Fed, and central bankers have no great love of spreading financial panic.
In anything close to a sane world, either one of these two bold strokes would be widely hailed for avoiding a reckless threat to the still-fragile world economy. But we do not live in a sane world, and the idolatry of Ronald Reagan is one of the principle reasons why. This is why it behooves us to review some of the principle lies involved with Ronald Reagan's record, focusing specifically on the economy. What follows is but a brief rundown.
The idea that Reagan produced a uniquely booming economy is false
First, Reagan's record on the economy was not just exaggerated by his boosters, it's almost exactly the opposite of what they claim. It was a fairly ordinary time by the most common measurements of economic growth, looking good only in comparison with a selective time-slice of the 1970s. But once you start looking beneath the surface even the tiniest bit, the picture turns very dark indeed.
In terms of the most basic measure of economic growth - increase in gross domestic product (GDP) - the vaunted "Reagan boom" was an unremarkable period of time. If we look at Reagan's eight years, and compare them with Clinton's and JFK/LBJ's, Reagan comes in dead last, with 31.7 per cent compared with Clinton's 33.1 per cent and JFK/LBJ's 47.1 per cent. Only Nixon/Ford's eight years make Reagan look good, with a mere 26.2 per cent growth.
The idea that Reagan brought prosperity is true only for those at the top, not for average American workers
If we examine incomes, we discover that Reagan's eight years marked a real take-off for inequality, while average incomes stagnated. The income growth of the top once per cent was ten times that of everyone else during his term: 61.5 per cent versus 6.15 per cent. Under JFK/LBJ, the bottom 99 per cent actually did better: gaining 30.9 per cent compared with 26.9 per cent for the top once per cent. And while inequality continued to rise under Clinton, the bottom 99 per cent did more than twice as well as they did under Reagan, gaining 16.7 per cent compared with 56.6 per cent for the wealthiest one per cent.
The idea that Reagan was good for the American economy in general is false
Reagan was a disaster for the American economy in at least four fundamental ways:
Debtor Nation Status: Under Ronald Reagan, the US went from being the world's largest creditor nation to the largest debtor nation in just a few years - and we have remained the largest debtor nation ever since. In 1981, Reagan's first year in office, the US was a net creditor to the tune of $140.9bn. By 1984, that had shrunk to just $3.3bn - and the next year, the US shifted from being a creditor nation to a debtor nation for the first time in almost 70 years. By 1987, the US was a net debtor by $378.3bn - the largest debtor nation in the world. The figure rose to $532.5bn by the end of 1988, when Reagan left office.
De-Industrialization: While the percentage of industrial jobs in the economy had been declining since the 1950s, with the growth of the service sector, the raw number of industrial jobs continued to increase right up through 1979, just before the 1980/1982 double-dip recession. From that year onward, the number of industrial jobs began declining, with a smattering of years when the number would increase. In addition to the raw number of jobs declining, the number of unionized jobs and the number of jobs with American companies declined even further.
Personal indebtedness: The income stagnation that began under Reagan has had a devastating impact on personal savings. While it fluctuated considerably, the personal savings rate had more than doubled between 1949 and 1982, from 5.0 per cent up to 11.2 per cent. Ironically, one of the main stated purposes of the Kemp-Roth tax cuts, the basis for Reagan's 1981 tax cut bill, was to boost personal savings. Instead, they plunged precipitously, falling all the way down into negative territory by 2006.
Government Indebtedness: The idea that Reagan was "fiscally conservative" is false. The story of government indebtedness was even more bleak. Before Reagan, debt really wasn't a problem for America. From World War II to 1981, every president had reduced the debt as a percentage of GDP, except for the divided term of Nixon-Ford, which saw a tiny 0.2 per cent increase.
The debt-to-GDP ratio is much more significant than the debt alone, since the GDP represents the nation's total capacity to pay off the debt. And from WWII to 1981, the debt-to-GDP ratio fell from almost 120 per cent down to just down to just 32.5 per cent. The sharpest drop came early on, but even during the supposed "big government" heyday of the Kennedy/Johnson years, the ratio fell by over 16 per cent in eight years. Conservatives then might have complained about the debt - and they certainly did - but no one knowledgeable about economics took them seriously, because the debt grew significantly slower than our ability to repay it.
During Reagan's term, this changed dramatically. The ratio rose by over 20 per cent, and it rose another 13 per cent under his successor, George Bush Sr. It took a Democrat, Bill Clinton, to get the ratio headed down again - by almost 10 per cent during his two terms, before Bush Jr sent it skyrocketing again - by almost 28 per cent. It's rising fast under Obama as well - but that's to be expected as a result of the worst recession since the 1930s.
The idea that Ronald Reagan consistently opposed tax increases is false
The idea that Ronald Reagan always opposed tax increases is completely untrue. He raised taxes dramatically as Governor of California in 1967 - by a whopping 30 per cent. But he also raised them as president - 11 times. Sure, his 1981 tax increase, along with three smaller increases, was much larger than his total tax cuts. But his willingness to raise as well as lower taxes would have made him at least somewhat compatible with President Obama, and totally unacceptable to movement conservatives today, especially Tea Partiers.
Bruce Bartlett was a leading supply-side economist in the 1970s, who helped draft the Kemp-Roth tax bill as a staff economist for Congressman Jack Kemp. He went on to serve in both the Reagan and Bush I administrations. In an April 2010 blog post, listing Reagan's 11 presidential tax hikes and four tax cuts, Bartlett wrote: "It may come as a surprise to some people that, once upon a time in the not-too-distant past, Republicans actually cared enough about budget deficits that they thought raising taxes was necessary to bring them down. Today, Republicans believe that deficits are nothing more than something to ignore when they are in power and to bludgeon Democrats with when they are out of power."
Bartlett was obviously overstating his case, given how the debt skyrocketed under Reagan. But things would have clearly been much, much worse if Reagan had never raised taxes. And if Reagan were around today, he would no doubt be denounced as a "socialist" for all the tax increases he signed onto.
The idea that Reagan's tax cuts spurred job creation is false
As noted in Bartlett's table of tax cuts and increases, Reagan followed up his 1981 tax cuts with increases in 1982 and 1983. And for good reason: The unemployment rate - already high when Reagan took office - continued to skyrocket after his tax cuts were passed - peaking at 11.2 percent in 1983, when the jobless rate finally started to come down. The exact mixture of cause and effect over such an extended period may be subject to debate. But one thing is certain: Reagan's 1981 tax cuts did not magically result in job creation in anything like the way that conservatives nowadays mindlessly claim.
The idea that Reagan changed America's mind about taxes and the role of government is false
Political scientist James Stimson, author of Public Opinion in America: Moods, Cycles, and Swings, has constructed an index of economic liberalism based on hundreds of public opinion questions asked repeatedly over the years. This index reached a low-point in 1980 and rose dramatically for the next seven years, reaching a plateau at levels not seen since Nixon's first term, as if Reagan's rhetoric were convincing more and more people of the exactly the opposite of what he was saying.
This rise was reflected, for example, in four questions asked in the General Social Survey, the most-cited data source for social scientists after the US Census. Between 1980 and 1990, the number of people saying the government was spending "too little" nationally increased 27.4 per cent on health care, 32.9 per cent on education, 67.8 per cent on welfare and 46.7 per cent on the environment. The questions all reminded people that increased taxes might be required if more was spent.
What's more, 20 years after Reagan's election, in 2000, federal tax receipts as a percent of GDP were up 8.4 per cent over what they had been the year Reagan was elected, indisputable proof that government's role had ultimately not decreased across that time-span.
TIME Magazine Cover: Why Obama ♥ Reagan. Feb. 7, 2011The idea that Reagan was a singularly popular president is false
Reagan was quite fortunate in getting re-elected in 1984 when his popularity was particularly high, but that was not true of his record in general. According to Gallup, Reagan's overall average approval rating was only 52.8 per cent, lower than John F Kennedy (70.1 per cent), Dwight Eisenhower (65 per cent), GHW Bush (60.1 per cent), Bill Clinton (55.1 per cent), and Lyndon Johnson (55.1 percent). It's only modestly higher than George W Bush (49.4 per cent) and Richard Nixon (49.1 per cent).
Summing Up
Surveying all these lies in a single panorama, it should be clear that neither Reagan's economic record nor his political one should provide any case at all for embracing conservative economics. Quite the opposite: They clearly point to failure on both counts. What's more, the only reason his mythology is possible at all is because he significantly backtracked by raising taxes, when doing otherwise would have completely exposed the failure of his principal economic intentions.
President Obama is as drunk on Reagan's kool-aid as anyone else in Washington today. It will be difficult indeed for him to break the spell in time to save the country - and himself - from repeating the economic disaster that conservative policies led to just before he was elected.
One thing about Reagan is true, however: His wife did play a significant role in saving him from following ideologues into dangerous folly on a number of occasions. Perhaps Michelle Obama is America's last best hope. Perhaps she can see what her husband thus far cannot.


73 Comments so far
Show AllTry talking to a republican who has listened and believed the propaganda repeated over and over about Reagan, tax cuts, massive spending on MIC and the rest of it. They don't even believe facts about it all and how damaging it has been.
Yeah. Reagan has been "Hannitized."
Very clever - and so true.
"Perhaps Michelle Obama is America's last best hope."
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I cheerfully plead ignorance here, because I find Obama and all of his works, including the First Family, so viscerally repugnant that I can't pay attention to them except in sporadic glimpses.
But is there any substance to this unexpected conclusion, or is it just a rhetorical flourish?
My former Obama-enthralled relative waxed enthusiastic about Michelle during the campaign, I remember-- she's a successful lawyer with a heart, so "real" and cool and down-to-earth!
Is she really the second coming of Eleanor Roosevelt?
The second coming of Hillary Clinton, maybe.
Excellent.
Perhaps you missed her (Michele Obama) comment about being disturbed about the level of obesity in American children - beacuse she was worried they wouldn't be able to pass the physical necessary to join the military. That's right - she's worried there won't be enough cannon fodder for our imperialist, Fascist, Zionist-controlled government. You get a free pass, however, because you said you find Obama "viscerally repugnant". Anybody that can't see the Obama regime as the third Cheney administration is an idiot.
Hmmm... Smart way to foil the empire's plans; be too fat to serve it as a soldier.
If we switch entirely to drone warfare, soldiers can be as fat as they want--so Michele Obama has nothing to worry about. Besides, she's too busy taking luxory vacations with her brats to care about what's happening to your grandma's social security.
Besides as being as fat as they wannabe, they only have to know how use video games and education is so passe.
I call it 'training to float better'.
How can half of Americans vote conservative after the Reagan/Bush/Conservative Democrat disasters?
Who toes the corporatist/militarist line, progressives or conservatives? If we know for a fact who does, wouldn't voting for the other be the basic issue?
It's not difficult to find out which politicians are progressive and which are conservative. Try going to http://www.pdamerica.org/, http://www.democrats.com/node/21131.
Progressives or conservatives? That's not the make-up in congress. Now we're down to ultra-right wing fanatical republicans and center-right democrats. And they BOTH tow the corporatist-military line. So, getting back to the original point--if voting were effective for the people, it would be illegal.
We voted out 60 Conservative Democrats last election. Progressives can vote out the rest and take over the majority party. Then Obama wouldn't be a problem. He seems to go wherever the wind blows and not having to worry about re-election funding would free his hands to be progressive is that's his preference. With control of the House and Senate, Progressive Democrats can get things done that Conservative Democrats obstructed by voting with the fascists.
Americans are brain-dead, the carefully-crafted product of the most sophisticated brain-washing system the world has ever known. As to voting in America, the game is rigged from top to bottom from the electoral "college", to fraud-ridden electronic voting machines, to Supreme Court-approved Fascist corporate funding to the most willing con-man whores - like Obama. Revolution is the only answer.
Great reply. My answer is peaceful revolution:
Direct democracy
Many progressive luminaries endorse direct democracy:
http://ni4d.us/en/endorsements
check it out and see if it changes your opinion
Great commenting, thanks. The USAn's have been instilled with mindlessness which is institutionalized by the government, businesses, pretend christians which give it legitimacy with peer pressure. Mindlessness is trumpeted by the MSM,tv, daily, hourly, by the minute and second. USAn's have been forged into narcissistic, consumerist, exceptional gluttons by the incessant propaganda of happy talk,psychobabble optimism, of socio-psychopathology. This "Manufacturing Consent", by Noam Chomsky, has been in place for 90 years now, since it was concocted by then prominent journalist, Walter Lippman. It's purpose is to create a society that allows itself to be ruled by a few, over the many. Also remember Reaganomics is created by someone with an incapacitated mind, Alzheimer's and has proven to be a failed policy over and over, and is continuously being re-invoked expecting a different result, which is also Einstein's definition of insanity.
President Zero thinks RONZO was so wonderful too, huh.. That explains a lot of things.. I really don't understand the elevation of this 'affable dunce' into some sort of right wing conservative political pope..
I used to think NIxon was the worst Prez in my lifetime, then came RONZO.. I thought the same of him until Clinton.. I thought the same of him until raisin-brain bush.. I thought the same of him until Zero
The nightmare never ends, only the intellectually cognizant understand the true narrative. It is maddening in the extreme!
Well said.
Slick Willy was even worse for working peole than the Gipper, as is the current US president, but on no good evidence could either truly be referred as real Democrats anyway. That's just plain silly.
Yep, I hear you. Ole Tricky Dick's lookin' better and better with each decade. He was really our last truly liberal president. He started CETA (imagine that, a jobs bill), started the EPA, pursued detente with Russia, instituted price controls to deal with hyperinflation. Sure, he had a paranoid streak and was a racist war monger, but he believed that government could 'promote the general welfare.' He was WAY more liberal than Clinton or Obama.
And I used to think that G.W. was the dumbest president we've ever had. Obama has him beat by miles. Obama doesn't have a thought in his head that wasn't planted by neocons or neoliberals. From his insistance on focusing on deficits instead of jobs (bad advice from Summers and Geithner) to his brain-dead foreign policy (more bad advice from Clinton and Netanyahu), Obama has gone from the frying pan directly into the fire. This debt ceiling debate should never have been. Had Obama played his cards right and not consistently caved to republican pressure, we'd be talking about jobs now, not deficits. Obama had that choice, but he listened to his poorly chosen advisors. Obama drinks the kool-aid they give him--and he gets dumber and more clueless with every gulp.
Thank you, thank you, president NEO, a combination of neocon's and neoliberals and viola we have president NEO BomberBush, who we will refer to NEO. NEO, NEO, where have I heard that word before, was it in the Matrix series, or the movie series with Hugh Jackman as Wolverine? Please advise, president NEO, my brilliance surprises even me sometimes. Just kidding, I'm not that narcissistic and don't want to be.
The last President of the USA was JFK. he took Eisenhower's last speech about the MICC seriously and the MICC disposed of him. JFK denied the MICC 6 wars in 3 years and was seemingly not going to start a war in Vietnam, which the MICC wanted badly. The tell, JFK referred to Vietnam as Vietnam, not the Wash., conjured up creation of a south Vietnam, or the republic of Vietnam. which existed only in the minds of someone in Wash., DC. Once JFK was disposed of RFK and MLK had to go in 1968, an election year. All other president since JFK have presided for special interest groups and/or their Party affiliation.
This happens when people elect an actor for president. The Reagan idology was to destroy this nation through overspending so that the Democrats could not fund FDR's social programs. Mission accomplished. Now give me Bradley Manning.
"I can hire one half of the working-class to kill the other half."
-- Jay Gould, Gilded Age railroad tycoon and land speculator
It's really the Ayn Rand/Milton Friedman "free market" fundamentalist fairytale of economic neo-liberalism that is leading the U.S. off a cliff. Reagan is just a smiling Hollywood mask put over that earlier mythology that pre-dates the Reagan administration.
That said, too many voting Democrats are still deceived that
President Obama's politics are not overly shaped by Reaganomics. In a
January 2008 interview with the editorial board of the Reno Gazette,
then candidate Obama said:
"I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that
Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put
us on a fundamentally different path, because the country was ready
for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and
1970s and government had grown and grown, but there wasn't much sense
of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people—he
just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want
clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism
and entrepreneurship that had been missing."
In Reagan’s policy reactions to the excesses and perceived excesses of the 1960s and 1970s he did not substantially reduce U.S. illegal drug abuse. He
greatly escalated spending on both necessary and unnecessary Pentagon programs. He involved the U.S. in covert military entanglements that had nothing to do with clear and present dangers to American national security.
His administration minions sold missiles to Iran during the Iran-Contra era.
He ignored the rise of AIDS in the U.S. and angered religious fundamentalists and other social conservatives by doing nothing besides that to reverse the movement for gay civil rights. He did nothing to encourage good race relations in the U.S. or elsewhere. He did authorize the Meese Commission to successfully push for stronger laws against obscene pornography. He did nothing to reform regulatory oversight on the proliferation of fraudulent
Medicare claims. Public access to medically safe abortions that many
consider excessive remained legal. So much for Reagan as an antidote
to the excesses and, by some and not others, perceived excesses of the
‘60s and ‘70s.
Government accountability and oversight meant nothing to
anti-regulatory, secret war promoting Reagan and means less to
Obama--who has initiated more prosecutions of whistleblowers than all
other presidents combined, pursued more unaffordable wars of choice,
abused the State Secrets privilege worse than Bush II and failed to
adequately re-regulate Wall Street.
Reagan "optimistically" spread tax cuts all around, deregulated
corporations (including savings and loans, which led directly to the S&L crisis), and permitted military spending to soar without substantial cuts in other government spending or waste associated with specific civilian and military programs. By the end of his two terms he had quadrupled the national debt and his successor, Bush Sr., faced a Recession. Reagan, like every president
after him, authorized hundreds of billions of dollars a year in
corporate welfare subsidies for already profitable corporations and
plutocrats despite critical basic needs in America that went unmet.
Reagan and Bush Sr. cheerfully rolled out the fuse that would
ignite economic globalization with the General Agreement on Tariffs
and Trade (GATT). Influenced by neo-liberal Reaganomics, Bill Clinton
lit their fuse on the grand betrayal of the American middle-class that
is “free trade” offshoring of U.S. jobs via NAFTA and the World Trade
Organization. Obama follows in their reckless footsteps on this
despite flat job creation and worsening long-term unemployment.
Reagan’s rhetorical "dynamism and entrepreneurship" that Obama
gushed about manifested as a brief three & three-quarter year jobs up-tick before the Bush I Recession. But what is now holding down and keeping down
America’s optimism, domestic dynamism and entrepreneurship is sixteen
years of bipartisan offshoring of American jobs, their middle-class tax revenue and Gross DOMESTIC Product in tradable goods, and a current wartime marginal income tax rate that, after loopholes, averages 17% for the richest four hundred Americans. Only hedge fund managers pay less.
These policies trace back directly to Reaganomics that
began thirty years of bipartisan undermining of American organized
labor and the manufacturing middle-class. Neo-liberal Obama would not
even send his Vice President to speak with public sector unions having
their collective bargaining rights stripped in Wisconsin. Several
Democratic governors now openly attack unions.
“Free trade” without globally enforced labor and environmental
protections is a barrier to rebuilding good paying, long-lasting
manufacturing jobs in the U.S. It is increasingly offshoring
upper-middle-class jobs that require advanced degrees.
Because contemporary Democrats recklessly push “free trade,”
openly shun or attack labor unions, and self-servingly surrender
to fiscally insane, historically unprecedented wartime tax cuts for
the super-rich that compel foreign borrowing plus interest--and now
have the supreme contempt for their base to openly assault Social Security--it’s time to organize an independent national labor movement and a Labor Progress Party to unite all labor unions, true progressives, socialists and left libertarians.
Metal,
I agree. Your quote of Obama agreeing with Reagan about "the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s," shows where Obama comes from. By "excesses" of the 60s and 70s, Reagan meant the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement, and I think Obama does, too. Obama loves war and harbors contempt for those who oppose it. He seems to have abandoned any sense of racial justice, letting black America go into a much bigger economic depression than white America and making or threatening cuts in the very programs that help the poor.
tomcarberry, You're right. I was dismayed to read the statistics on the precipitous decline in the quality of life of blacks under Obama at http://usat.ly/ocPh6J (a mainstream media article, no less).
Hard to compare what Obama might've been like if he'd come of age in the middle 1960s. My own opinion is that, had he been a college student then, he would've publicly supported MLK and participated in the marches (until southern goons like Bull Connor and the dogs & fire-hoses showed up--then he would've quietly and quickly split the scene like the pansy he is). He would've privately griped to his go-getter snob wifey-poo about minor faults of the Civil Rights movement while he jockeyed for political position in some big city's politics starting in the early 1980s (with Reaganism to give his devoted neo-liberalism political cover). He would've publicly condemned the execution of the Vietnam War while privately believing that it was necessary to halt the dominoes from falling to the commies in SE Asia.
Had he been a president in the 1960s I think he would've given lip service to Civil Rights and done nothing programatic about it. Regarding Vietnam he probably would've behaved very much like Nixon and relied on Kissinger as his amoral compass.
Dr. Cornell West has correctly pointed out that Obama's personal background in pretty nearly every respect has nothing to do with the common personal, cultural and historical experience shared by the vast majority of blacks in America. Obama is an Indonesian/Hawaiian transplanted Ivy League upper-middle-class oreo and even when his family wasn't very affluent he lived in Hawaii, which is dominated by white transplanted opulence, and hung out with rich white kids. Sucking up to over-aged rich, well-connected, fascist white establishment brats seems to be all he knows how to do, but he does it very well for himself and his oreo hausfrau.
I strongly suspect he is a sociopath and that his wife probably enables this behavior. She's a piece of work in her own right. Did you see her interview after she visited with Nelson Mandela? She went on about how Mandela "was an enormous influence the 'legacy' of Barrack and myself"--not about how Mandela influenced the legacy of black South Africans, or the legacy of American race relations or race relations around the world, but about his influence on the "legacy" of herself and her hubby. Even a cursory glance at Obama's actual legacy is enough to gag a two ton swarm of horse flies.
metal, it's not just time -- it's long past time -- to organize an independent party to unite labor, progressives, socialists, and "left libertarians." I've been suggesting this for months in CD posts, with virtually no one showing any interest. Although the issues you focus on, particularly your opposition to “'free trade' without globally enforced labor and environmental protections," don't ignite outrage of the intensity ignited by our so-called wars and the Bush/Obama legalization of torture and "targeted assassinations," all these matters, and many more, belong in a third-party movement. It's just about too late to get anywhere with that in 2012. And 2012 is, or was, such a good opportunity, because Obama is obviously a sick puppy and the Republicans have been taken over by loony Reaganites and Tea Partiers who have no idea what Reagan actually did, or what the founding fathers were all about, and are worsening the recession by killing jobs in the interest of making the filthy rich even richer.
A progressive ticket featuring two individuals with twice the charisma of Nader and the organizational skill of Perot could get a third of the popular vote, which would make a tremendous difference. I know there are plenty of progressives who have the intelligence, drive, moral integrity, and organizing ability to carry out this mission, but where are they? Maybe the progressive movement is just not capable of getting itself together. What do you think?
Good post, manning. I've been sussing out progressives on a 3rd party coalition too, and get no response. I think people are just whipped. I know for me, I'm just trying to find work, and am exhausted just with that and trying to do a few other things. It seems like, If not now, when? I did find a link last night to someone working on this. Google third party coalition movement and you'll find it. But it's not well defined as of yet--the planks are blank as far as I can see. As i see it we can organize a party around an end to empire, abolition of "free trade" treaties, including getting out of the WTO, restoration of the Constitution, and immigration reform. I would also favor a return to tariffs, so that we start producing stuff here again.
Hi manning120,
There is what I hope for in the few good signs I'm seeing vs. what I dread in my guts. Everything is long odds right now because American progressives, organized labor and other Leftists have been too slow to rouse as far as I'm concerned. The same goes for authentic American civil libertarians and the American version of European left libertarians. But American history is filled with movements that took their time yet eventually yielded positive results. Some of us are much better equipped to hang on for the medium to long haul than others. I'm not one of the wealthy ones so I'm very impatient. I've been watching the political pendulum swing to the right for 31 years now.
Now more than ever, a national populist progressive movement in America needs a large (in terms of numbers) focal point to build around. The only timely coalescing of something like that may be being begun right now as the result of recent meetings between several different unions taking place in various cities around the country. They are discussing cross-union organizing in response to the AFL-CIO's call for a national independent labor movement.
They will probably not be able to coalesce a national Party in time for the 2012 elections, but they could organize on a big enough scale as a growing movement to field independent labor candidates against key DLC Democrats. They could do this by running as labor Democrats against neo-liberal Democrats the way Tea Partiers ran as Republicans against "business Republicans" in 2010.
If an insurgent labor Left candidate can run aggressively as a Democrat against neo-lib Dim Obama and smash him in the primaries I'm all for it. There would have to be a simultaneous push to elect insurgent labor candidates to Congress against key members of the Blue Dog Dims, DLC Dims and the GOP/Bagger lunatic fringe.
I think that an insurgent labor Democrat who comes out strongly in support of Social Security, repealing wartime tax cuts for the super-rich and getting us out of "wars of choice" CAN unseat Obama in the primaries. If he or she has enough charisma and union and grass roots campaign funding they might even take the White House. Remember, Jimmy Carter came out of nowhere and surprised the entire D.C. establishment and he wasn't then very progressive. He just wasn't a D.C. insider and the public is even more sick of the D.C. establishment now than they were then.
A strong victory over Obama in the primaries could very well embolden a sufficient majority of the public to vote against right-wing Dems AND Republicans who support weakening Social Security, giving more wartime tax cuts to the super-rich and corporations (to speculate on Wall Street with and use to offshore more jobs), and tripling-down on military quagmires that have only proliferated national and global terrorism and cost this country $Trillions. None of these clowns have faced a true opponent in decades who was not tied at the throat and gonads to corporate campaign finance money. A union financed candidate can speak some hard truths to calcified arthritic power that is long overdue for a hard thumping.
For any Republican to win in the general election against such an insurgent Left candidate, he or she would have to start smelling, walking and talking like a moderate Republican who is backing off from gutting Social Security, and in their current Party that would make him or her a weak figure of internal GOP scorn. So either our insurgent Left candidate would win, or a weak Republican. Then what matters is the make-up of Congress.
A weak Republican in the White House with an insurgent labor dominated House OR Senate that raises even more hell on the craven DLC Dims than the Tea Baggers raise on John Boehner--only from a working-class Left perspective--is not such a bad result.
If Obama runs unopposed, he's probably going to get his clock cleaned by a folksy sounding Republican with a decisive demeanor--someone who sounds like Huckabee but looks a little more telegenic--who will be a dangerous far-right power tool once in office. Such a person will run roughshod over the DLC pansies in Congress and we'll see the absolute end of the Great Society and New Deal within two subsequent election cycles, new wars in Iran and Venezuela and an increasingly authoritarian domestic Police State that ramps up new "relaxed" FBI operations and investigations powers, S-Comm and NGI.
But a weak Republican in the White House with a very divided Congress would buy time for a populist progressive labor movement to field even more candidates in the following general election cycle and hopefully coalesce into a new Labor Progress Party to dispose of the failed Dim Party within two or three general election cycles.
The trouble is, organized labor woke up a little too late and would have to work their butts off to organize properly for either an insurgent Left win of the primaries, the White House or enough seats in Congress. What gives me hope is that most of them are now mad as hell at Obama and the right-wing Dems in Congress (and various treacherous Dim governors) and they know that four more years of Obama will only guarantee that more and more of their union jobs are lost to offshoring, that unions will only be harder to organize and more public sector unions will be stripped of collective bargaining rights and crushed. Trumka of the AFL-CIO is right to call for an independent national labor movement. Now we have to see how many labor leaders and rank & file have the fire in the belly to create one and how hard and fast they want to work to do it.
People like you and me need to call or write our local union leaders and encourage them to organize across multiple unions to create such a movement to pressure Democrats in office to move back Leftwards towards the working-class or get the hell out of the way of the labor candidates who are coming to take their place to halt the neo-lib/neo-con suicide march before the whole country goes over the cliff like lemmings following Ronald McDonald for "free trade" chicken McNuggets.
before entering politics, Reagan hosted Death Valley Days.
very appropriate.
Death Valley Days *was* politics.
I wouldn't know - I never watched it.
The End is Near. Lions and Tigers and Bears oh my. Be afraid be very afraid. We are all going to die. Well are you scared yet? Have you had your fear today? Have you read the news today? Don't bother it's all bad. The New World Order, Bankers, Evil Corporations, Nuclear Power, Chem trails, the MIC, CIA, TSA, Earthquakes, Comets, Global Warming, GMO's, Population Explosion, Terrorists Attack, Economic Collapse,The Apocalypse, Bigfoot, Take your choice. What's your Fear de jour, you want fries with that? Let's start with the Apocalypse. What's to worry about? Are you worried you will die before it happens, miss out on the big show? How about Terrorism? You have have a greater chance of being killed a shark or a dog, then a shoe bomb. Tens of thousands of people die in auto accidents every year. Are you scared to drive your car? FDR said we have nothing to fear but fear itself. It would seem that the mass media has two products to offer, insipid mind numbing trivia or fear mongering disinformation. Do you know the story about the boy who cried Wolf? What is the effect of this so called news? Does it inform us and call us into action to solve the many serious problems of today. Or does it terrorize the public into a coma like state of inaction with an ever increasing electronic scream of horror. Have we become a bunch of fear junkies waiting for our next electronic fix? I don't know about you but in the words of Huey Lewis I Want a New Drug. Peace.
Iwonder: Your post reflects the same level of integrity that purposely conflates the UFO squad with those who question the 911 official narrative. Reads like primitive psy-ops to me, in that it weds some very true points with some otherwise false rationalizations. There certainly ARE things to fear, and speaking about what's going on is not the same thing as cowering under a couch. Knowledge is power, whilst those that would dim awareness while simultaneously calling for meaningful action are either themselves twisted sociopaths, or truly cannot tell the difference between honest discussion and placing nonsensical items aside.
I suppose you think news of climate change is just meaningless drivel?
By linking things like a would-be terrorist attack (which is MORE likely now that the U.S. has meddled--to the point of grotesquely expanding the killing fields--in other lands like Afghanistan and Libya) with actual events like earthquakes and financial uncertainty, you do truth no favor.
Calling out the TRUTH is hardly analogous to The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
When someone calls truth "insipid mind numbing trivia," they are either delusional, misinformed, or PAID to posit disinformation designed to keep the pack quiet. After all, that's mostly what the MSM is doing... so why allow a radical site to challenge the official discourse?
It's quite amazing how so many regular posters have suddenly managed to "disappear" only to be replaced by a new slew who sound just like them! Imagine that.
Thank you DaveBronstein for your understanding, and defending me from the stinging rebuke of Siouxrose. Of course many of the issues discussed in the media are important and require careful consideration. But day in and day out this drum beat of fear is quite deafening. They should end these so called newscasts with I'll huff and puff and blow your house down. That right folks the big bad wolf is coming to get you. Look the point I'm trying to make is this If there is something you believe needs changing and you are taking no action then ask yourself why. Oh yes I know, your to busy or tired. Or it won't do any good ,or well you know the drill. Are you sure you are in control of your own actions or inaction. What motivates you? What prevents you from taking action? You want to change the world you can't. Why, because your to scared to try. It might be uncomfortable. So the question my friends is this. How uncomfortable do you have to get before you can overcome you fear and do something about it??? Oh and Siouxrose the thing that impresses me the most from our limited attempt at discourse is how easy it is to be misunderstood, and how very difficult it can be to effectively communicate with one another.
Reagan Mythology is Leading US Off a Cliff.- Leading! We are in free fall now.
The USA is in a Depression - not a "severe recession". http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/
BW Bush finished the work Ronnie started - and Obama has institutionalized his crimes and treason. We are already deeply engaged in WW3 with either total economic collapse followed by Civil War, environamental holocaust or nuclear armageddon vis-a-vis Imperialistic policy directed by our Masters - the Zionist Israelis, as the next stop. If you were disgusted by GW Bush, you should be even more disgusted by Obama. Wake up!!! http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25540
Anyone remember the days when you could write off the interest of car and credit cards? St. Ronnie the Asshole closed that loop for us. Left the loopholes open for the rich and corporations though. Closed the mental hospitals and dumped many who needed help on the streets.
As mentioned, did nothing for 8 years during the AIDS epidemic. Maybe the infection rate would be lower today if he had promoted education of it instead of playing in to its god's punishment. Some god that let hemophiliac kids die.
He broke up unions, broke the law during the Iran/Conta affair.
Karma got him though when he went batshitcrazy.
And this is who Obama idolizws? Says everything.
It is amazing isn't it who Obama chose as a role model. I suggest he change parties in order to more closely follow in his footsteps. Perhaps then we might get a real democrat to vote for.
I listen to Bernie Sanders every Friday on Thomn Hartman. Each week Senator Sanders is asked if he would please run for the presidency. Each week Bernie says no, because he likes being a Senator. This week, for the first time he said he couldn't because it takes massive amounts of money. He also said that he thought Obama needed an opponent for the primary. I'd love to see Bernie Sanders flooded with checks.
Lets also remember that Reagan was not responsible for the fall of the USSR. Those first four years of him were depressing. The second four numbing. The beginning of the unraveling of America...
Reminds me of an old article in Newsday:
In Comtempt Of the PublicReagan's team is eclipsing its predecessors
when it comes tounethical conduct, corruption. A Baedeker of Scandal -
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Newsday - Long Island, N.Y.
Author: By Mark Green and Peter H. Stone. Mark Green,
Date: Jun 28, 1987
Edition: Combined editions
Section: IDEAS
Text Word Count: 2599
Abstract (Document Summary)
THE REAGAN administration is proving - both in volume and variety - to
be the most unlawful and unethical in memory. It has given us, among
others, the Iran-contra and Wedtech scandals. Six "independent
counsels" are investigating current and former administration
officials for possible criminal conduct. Some 200 Reagan
administration officials have been charged with unethical or corrupt
conduct, according to a compilation recently released by Rep. Pat
Schroeder (D-Colo.).
In the meantime, sensing that the only defense against the burgeoning
investigation is a good offense, some Reagan loyalists and apologists
have been busy counterattacking the press and prosecutors. Leonard
Garment, Robert McFarlane's attorney, deserves special rebuke for his
fantastical claims that the Ethics in Government Act has had the
"perverse net result" of increasing "secrecy at high levels of
American government," and that the president's critics have a "strong
material stake in it." Others like Pat Buchanan, the president's
former director of communications, have labored hard to find prior
presidents who arguably ignored the law, citing Lincoln's suspension
of habeaus corpus during the Civil War and Franklin Roosevelt's lease
of 50 aging destroyers to Britain during the summer of 1940. These
analogies collapse. Lincoln and Roosevelt acted in the open and with
national survival at stake. Reagan has acted with no such national
exigency present, and in secret, hiding the truth from his own
cabinet, Congress and the country.
What has been Ronald Reagan's response to the widening scandals
haunting his administration? He remains as oblivious to reality and
history as ever. Indeed, when asked recently about what he hopes the
Reagan legacy will be, he replied, "I hope the imprint will be one of
high morality." Ultimately Reagan's obtuseness about law and ethics
has infected his whole administration. His is a government that, when
it comes to the law, as Gertrude Stein once remarked of another
California landmark, "there's no there, there."
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Prior to the White House, Reagan's California administrations were also highly tolerant of corruption in high places, as Garry Wills has written.
Perhaps more interesting is what it is that causes this phenomenon.
Why and why in the United States of America? I can not think of any Prime Minister in Canada around which so many Myths constructed nor of any other countries. This mythologizing of a President seems a uniquely American trait.
Outside of the USA there few that think Reagan was good for the US economy. Most see him as a simpleton. The notion that he is seen as one of "The Great American Presidents" brings a chuckle and folk wonder how standards could slip so low.