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Americans Fail To Take Sexism Seriously: The Supreme Court's Wal-Mart Ruling
What's Wrong with the Wal-Mart Decision
American women and men alike are stunned when I tell them that Canada in a matter of weeks decided to incorporate a provision banning sex discrimination into their equivalent of our Bill of Rights, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Responding to their curiosity about how that had happened in 1981, when in 2011 the U.S. is still far from passing decades-old proposals for an Equal Rights Amendment, I speak from what I learned living in Toronto for nearly 20 years: In the U.S., the emphasis among citizens, legislators, and the courts tends to be on rights, but in Canada that emphasis is paired with one on fairness.
As a result, when plaintiffs in a case about discrimination are able to demonstrate a clear pattern of bias based on sex, race, or other group membership, the average American is more likely than the average Canadian to worry about the loss of privilege of the group that has historically had the upper hand.
This week's U.S. Supreme Court decision in Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. v. Dukes et al. highlights not only an emphasis on rights of the corporation over the individual, a longstanding pattern in the Roberts Court, but also the lack of seriousness with which that court and many others in this country regard sexism.
Knowledgeable attorneys have observed that the plaintiffs' counsel in the Wal-Mart case used faulty strategy in the way they filed the suit, and that may well be. But the Supreme Court justices nevertheless have wide scope in writing their decisions, and they could easily have focused on procedural or definitional problems (deciding what is a legitimate class for such a lawsuit) while in addition making a strong statement that sex discrimination is wrong.
I write this as someone who is not an attorney and who is fascinated that people who are attorneys, including many feminist ones, are talking about this case primarily to say, "The plaintiffs' counsel was dead wrong to assert that Wal-Mart's women employees constitute a class. The argument should have been made that a small number of women were all discriminated against by the same manager. Then if they proved discrimination, both the manager and the CEO would have been held liable."
"Yes," I reply, as a non-lawyer, "but only that small number of women would be compensated, and a main point of this lawsuit is that Wal-Mart women have less money and less power than Wal-Mart men and certainly than its corporation. So the vast majority of women could not bring lawsuits and would remain uncompensated."
Like ostriches, the all-male majority of justices focused on the plaintiffs' alleged failure to comprise a legitimate class, but the corporation's well-documented, widespread pattern of discrimination against women for pay and promotions, combined with the ongoing pervasiveness of sexism throughout this society, speaks loudly of the corporation's treatment of the women as a class. For instance, as Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote in a dissenting opinion, "Women fill 70 percent of the hourly jobs in the retailer's stores but make up only "33 percent of management employees." Justice Antonin Scalia's statement in the majority decision that a class-action lawsuit was unwarranted because the plaintiffs failed to show that managers at 3,400 Wal-Marts acted in common to discriminate against the women reveals a striking lack of understanding of how bias and oppression work. Just imagine what an outcry there would be if a court declared, for instance, that poll workers in a particular county had not assembled together and decided to prevent Black people from casting ballots and that therefore racism could not have been at play in the outcome of significantly higher proportions of Blacks than of others being deprived of their votes. And it is hard not to wonder if the sex bias would have been more obvious to the justices if it had been white men who were the targets of discrimination.
In a society riddled with bias, the default position of most individuals raised in that society is to discriminate. No edicts from corporate executives or exhortations at meetings of top and middle managers are necessary to implement oppression, because bias does its work through the lifelong beliefs, often unconscious or at least unexamined, and practices so common that it is easy to assume they are unproblematic: "Everybody does it." Thus, Scalia's statement that the women did not constitute a class because Wal-Mart's official policy prohibits sex discrimination is moot, both because a policy is worthless if it's clear to those who might implement it that no harm will come to them if they flaunt it and because, as Scalia noted, Wal-Mart managers have wide latitude to make their own decisions. And as Justice Ginsburg wrote, "Wal-Mart's supervisors do not make their discretionary decisions in a vacuum. The District Court reviewed means Wal-Mart used to maintain a "carefully constructed. . . corporate culture," such as frequent meetings to re- inforce the common way of thinking, regular transfers of managers between stores to ensure uniformity throughout the company, monitoring of stores "on a close and constant basis," and "Wal-Mart TV," "broadcas[t] . . . into all stores.... The plaintiffs' evidence, including class members' tales of their own experiences,4 suggests that gender bias suffused Wal-Mart's company culture. Among illustrations, senior management often refer to female associates as ‘little Janie Qs.' ...One manager told an employee that "[m]en are here to make a career and women aren't.""
Related to this, in the Voices of Diversity Project, which we conducted at four different sites in the U.S. in a study co-administered through the DuBois Institute at Harvard University and Educational Testing Service of Princeton, N.J., we found a striking pattern. Undergraduate students overwhelmingly described sexism as a less serious problem than racism. Despite the fact that those same students were more likely to have experienced, observed, or heard about acts of sexism than of racism on their campuses, and despite the fact that the sex-based ones were far more likely than the race-based ones to involve physical acts including violence, from men grabbing and groping women to raping them, the majority of our participants said that they find racism more upsetting and consider it more of a problem that needs to be dealt with than sexism. Sexism, some even suggested, is only natural.
It is not, of course, a question of whether mistreatment of one class is worse than mistreatment of another, since all such conduct is wrong. It is that the harm done by sex-based discrimination is minimized in the U.S., kept relatively invisible compared to other forms of discrimination. The Wal-Mart decision reflects the lack of seriousness with which sexism is taken at the highest levels. The Roberts Court and other courts have often found ways to rule in favor of particular principles, sometimes by following reasonable procedures and sometimes by outlandish deviations from them. By forcing women to file suit individually or in much smaller groups, this court uses a divide-and-conquer approach: An effect of denying to certify the class is that women who have been discriminated against have less strength in numbers, even if some of them do bring their own individual complaints or smaller class actions. That delays the progress of equality in this country even more than the contrast shown with Canada's writing of its Charter in 1981.
Again writing as a non-lawyer, I am struck by what seems to me the problem of circularity here. Some years back, Harvard University planned to change its policy of dealing with sexual assault, so that in order to get a hearing, the victim of assault first had to prove the assault had occurred. Attorney Wendy Murphy took action to put a stop to that policy, because isn't that what hearings are supposed to be about, to be given a chance to prove the assault took place and who committed it? (Murphy won her point, and Harvard retracted the policy.) I see a parallel here, to the extent that proving that a group constitutes a class that is the target of discrimination that pervades the corporation is required in order for the class as a whole to get the chance to provide further evidence of that discrimination. I say "further" because it is reasonable for persons asking to be considered a class to present some compelling evidence that they are treated in similar ways. The Canadians' greater emphasis on fairness would lead to higher regard for data showing that women of Wal-Mart are clearly paid less and promoted less than men.
Incidentally, after reading this essay as it was first posted, Murphy contacted me to point out that at the time of her challenge to Harvard's proposed change in sexual assault policy, Larry Summers, then President of Harvard, said that Title IX (which prohibits sex discrimination in educational institutions) has "nothing to do with rape." That he could make such an assertion, given that a disproportionately high percentage of rape victims are female, and given that being sexually assaulted can in many ways interfere with one's feelings and ability to obtain an education, illustrates not only the minimizing but even the invisibility of sexism referred to above.
Perhaps the plaintiffs' counsel could have based a lawsuit on a hostile workplace argument, pointing out the damaging effects of having to walk into one's place of employment each day, knowing that because of being a woman, one's chances of being paid as much as a man doing the same job with the same skills and outcomes and of being promoted as readily as a man with equal qualifications and work habits are abysmal.
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Show AllYou've done an excellent job proving the central point of the piece.
Bravo!
"It is not their fault"? Oh my. That would mean you assume there is something wrong with being female to begin with. Or maybe this is a little humor piece.
"George," I always find it amusing when a "new" name shows up to suddenly dominate a thread. Reliably, these voices always manage to push an agenda that reinforces the status quo. Whether the topic is global warming, sexism, the 911 true story, or the political chicanery that passes for electoral policies.
Although there certainly ARE women in top positions today, the issue here is equal pay for equal work. The court's decision knee-capped the very premise. Second, for all the strides women have made, there is a powerful force set against them. Just as elites have shaped The System to divest unions of their power and attack the gains made by the Middle Class, similar agendas are underway to strip women of the gains they made over the past several decades.
Most men really do not get it when it comes to this idea of CONTROL of your own body. On a recent thread, Gardener Orcal made a comment that essentially told women rape is not a big deal. (When I left that thread, not ONE person countered that insidious remark. It was left standing.) The insensitivity of such a comment was on a par with Rush Limbaugh suggesting that the torture that went on at Guantanomo, was no different from Frat boys having a little fun.
Therefore, what had become reproductive freedom, primarily through access to fairly reliable birth control, is no longer something women can count on. And I'm not even bringing up abortion... just as prevention (of health disorders) is worth pounds of cure, the same might be said for birth CONTROL as a way to avoid abortion.
Another thing that you adroitly bypassed was the item of rape. More rapes are taking place today on college campuses, rape is all too common within military "culture," and a form of pornography that is BASED on the DEGRADATION of women is being "consumed" on a grotesque basis.
These things cheapen life, and turn women into targets. Sure, the average guy will never succumb to direct violence; however, by supporting a culture that belittles women, turns their bodies into objects for use and abuse, he, too, adds to the sum total of horrors that impact MILLIONS OF WOMEN.
The Catholic Church, great purveyors of misogyny through the belief in sin, the damning of Eve, and the depiction of God exclusively in male terms... added to its sponsorship of very real witch hunts, ones that murdered innocent women by the thousands in a purge that spanned decades, has its reps on The Supreme Court. Thus the covert sexism remains hidden in plain sight.
This article set forth a pargraph that stated with great conciseness, a point I have strained to make in this forum. (I'll add it to another post.)
The same arguments you tried to make, could be used when speaking of Black celebrities like Oprah and Obama... however, would the success of a few change the fact that our nation's prisons are full of dark skinned people? That the lousy employment rates disproportionately impact them?
Because a few tokens "make it" within a sexist/racist/class-oriented system, does not legitimize that system.
Wake up!
Speaking as a "recovering Catholic", I can attest to what Siouxrose said about the Catholic Church's five regressive "reps" on the Supreme Court: Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Kennedy.
These five unwise MEN consistently and continually impose their 15th century beliefs, as well as their pro-corporate bias, all falling under their worship of patriarchal authoritarianism, on the rest of us through their anti-democratic court decisions.
We now live in a society of 21st century technology and Medieval courts.
I agree entirely. I was attacked on another post for suggesting that we educate people about violence against women instead of just telling women to "not walk alone at night" and all of that bs. I'm so sick of being told to live in fear of rape. But it is a very real fear and threat. Considering that it is very, very rare to obtain the conviction of a rapist, and that few people are working to actually prevent this sort of violence from occuring. Especially on the Reservations! Thanks for your post!
Oh my god, never read such a "blame the woman" rant in my life, but then you are obviously not Canadian where we even allow gays equality.
Women are equal as "persons" in the Canadian Constitution, that's why fairness includes them; however, that is not so with the American Constitution because of the loss of the Equal Rights for Women Amendment.
Also, Canada's Constitution is for "peace, order and good government," not happy, happy, happy US crap.
From the article: “Undergraduate students overwhelmingly described sexism as a less serious problem than racism. Despite the fact that those same students were more likely to have experienced, observed, or heard about acts of sexism than of racism on their campuses, and despite the fact that the sex-based ones were far more likely than the race-based ones to involve physical acts including violence, from men grabbing and groping women to raping them, the majority of our participants said that they find racism more upsetting and consider it more of a problem that needs to be dealt with than sexism. Sexism, some even suggested, is only natural.”
Well I suppose they feel that the less damaging forms of sexism can be written off as part of the mating ritual. In my experience, young women don’t really want to mess with the power of their sexuality, and are willing to take the gropes (and even the occasional rapes, if they happen to someone else) in trade. Rape is, after all, something eternal; the enslavement and oppression of racial groups alters in form from age to age.
It would be interesting to know which universities were involved in the project. Generally, I don’t see the young women going to elitist schools having much of a stake in what happens to the working class woman. How connected are they to the fact that some of these women are single parents juggling as many $8.00 hours as they can, and child support is absent if the father is not working or working under the table or in prison? And many grandmothers are working at Walmart to support their grandchildren. I suspect it reads more like a poverty issue than a sexism one—why do those silly poor women get themselves into such situations?
For the poor woman working to support herself, perhaps plus a kid or two, the situation is rather analogous to working women during the Gilded Age, when women’s wages were paltry because women should be married and supported, and many were, taking in piece work for pin money. Meanwhile, the unsupported worker literally got starvation wages. In Barbara Ehrenreich’s Nickel and Dimed, she noted the general complacency of her female coworkers at Walmart for a similar reason: many were married, and had never expected much anyway in terms of a career. They just wanted a job. When I was young working at a diner in a small, poor town, most of the waitresses had kids and wayward or unemployed men and lived pretty close to the bone, but that was normal, even traditional.
Few of my students, maybe one in 30, identify themselves with feminism. More prosperous students see feminism as having already done its job and thus a moot issue; and besides, as they see it, who wants to identify with angry, ugly lesbians? Those from the working poor don’t have much good to say about feminism, tending to be envious of their great-grand-and-grandmother’s stories of being able to raise their children without having to have a full-time job (or however close to it that Walmart will mete out without having to thrown in benefits) . Many watched their mothers struggle to provide them a roof and enough to eat, and don't see this as any glorious victory over sexism. Feminism pitched employment rights as an unambiguous good. It just doesn’t seem so good when your feet are aching at the end of a shift and your asshole manager decides to come out from wherever he lurks to ream you out for being two minutes over your break time, during which you were trying desperately to find someone to get your kid home from school in your absence because said asshole manager just changed your hours.
Women who have bad moods once a month! At least it is only once a month, unlike so many men I have worked with, who drank themselves into oblivion over the weekend! And then bought their hangovers with them into work on Monday.
DO NOT SHOP AT WALMART! They do not respect women, so do not give them your hard earned money or the time needed to shop their cheap goods and off-label foods and other products that come from everywhere, but the USA.
George, you misogynist, I believe you are suffering all month from the effects of your hormones. Testosterone has proved to be the world most dangerous substance. Your wife's experience doesn't negate the whole of women working at Walmart and she probably feels she has to tell you what you want to hear.
My post didn't suggest that only women are victims of bad management. I was speaking specifically about how poor mothers feel about being "liberated" into an economy where juggling work and children and the trip to the food bank becomes problematic.
You think all women agree that men are pigs? Hardly, but your vision may be skewed by the thinking implied by that rant about PMS, which I've noticed certain sorts of men feel is the true cause any time a woman gets a bit less than sweet. Certain sorts of men can never think of any other reason a woman might be upset, and tend to see firmness in men as bitchiness in women. But I don't know you, so whatever.
Elizabeth: I find your posts interesting and often intelligent. Just as you made a case for home schooling based on the declining state of public education, to essentially "side" with the movement to lend weight to charter schools (if I understood that correctly; since you were pushing home schooling. Ultimately that approach will work equally well to defund public education), here I feel you are attacking the feminist movement by suggesting a number of items, all of which conform to right wing memes. By turns you suggest that feminists who have "made it," don't care about the working single Mother. Then, you downplay the violence so many women experience as something young girls tolerate in order to assume their place in the pecking order, one based on mating rituals. By reinforcing what you see, without linking it to the socially engineered forces that lead to these behaviors, it seems to me that you are looking at things from the outside in, as a detached observer.
I have never seen you comment on the threads about rape (or if so, rarely); nor have I seen you comment on the rise of porn, or video games that push sexual violence on kids. These crippled adaptations to a warped status quo damage us all.
The fear of the feminine is at work when men call each other sissies. It's at work when politicians think they must be HARD on crime or FIRM on defense. It lends itself to a lop-sided, asymmetric society incapable of feeling or, feeling empathy. And the result becomes a disproportionate identification with "force first," or the ethos that forms a foundation for the make-war (MIC) state.
The fashion industry, along with movies, and the subliminal context of many sports, all reinforce the behaviors you see your students emulating. It's this kind of thinking that blames voters for the piss poor choices they're offered. Are you witnessing individual CHOICE or the fruit of behavior modification stemming from numerous (some covert) sources? The messages impact both genders.
Our society is SUFFUSED in sexism. It's such an old deep wound that most take it for what IS. To say there'll always be rape is a pretty glib dismissal. A few days ago on the specific issue of rape (and the scar tissue left upon so many lands), several posters purposely deflected the subject to war, as that being the key obscenity. War certainly is... but by this device, the substance of the article under discussion could be done away with. Once more.
People are clearly very wary of speaking about this issue. I applaud your sensitivity towards the single mom who has to work long hours. I was that single Mom and it is indeed a rough world out there for women who do not have the protection of a CARING PARTNER. I also see a lot of women opt for the financial support of a man they no longer love. They negotiate life under the same roof mostly to avoid the fate of being alone "out there."
Our war-first society offers damaging choices... to then blame people for the choices they "take" is an Orwellian Catch-22. But then you also recently said you'd vote for Ron Paul. His stance on women's reproductive freedoms place him in a league with the Taliban. What's up with that?
Thanks Siouxrose for having the patience to challenge all this anti woman sentiment. Many of the comments here prove the author's point. Sexism is not taken seriously. Actually the problem is better called what it is, male domination. I've met so many Georges, overgrown babies, who can't get past their suffering, possibly on a class basis, enough to recognize the oppression of women. Because if a man suffers anytime anywhere it is more important and proves that women have nothing to complain about.
But George is an equal opportunity crybaby he doesn't take racism seriously either.
True about Ron Paul: there's lots about the man I abhor. And whether I'd vote for him at all is a distant question--frankly, if he would get us out of the "wars," I'd vote for him on that alone--but I really doubt he'll ever be a viable candidate, and if he were and miraculously elected, I doubt he'd be able to do much about the imperial slaughters. They're puppets all. Unfortunately, though, he might get abortion to be a states rights issue--stuff like that. Probably, frankly, I won't vote at all.
As for views on feminism, I was relating the views of young women I've talked to on the issue. They aren't really my opinions, but worth noting as they are frank expressions of college student's present attitudes. Looking back at the rise of the two-income family, I don't see the effects of feminism as totally positive, although I wouldn't make it as a happy housewife. I've been divorced twice. I wonder if the equality of the sexes was too much "proven" by women acting more like men, while those qualities deemed feminine, traditionally nurturing and developing community, got pushed aside by McDonald's and day care, and the burdens of paying for it all were never accepted by the larger society. The 70s solution was expressed in a song that went something like "I'm bringin home the bacon and fryin it up in the pan." Great! You're massively overworked and proud of it! Hey, we've won! If Hillary Clinton, Condi Rice, or millions of working mothers fighting with their husbands to wash a dish or two are proof of our success, I'm not clapping wildly. (Yes, men, I know many of you do the dishes.)
As for the oppression of women in other ways and young people's lax attitudes about it, that is a huge, nastily persistent problem.
Finally, homeschooling. As a teacher, I have gradually come to see how most schooling is at least as damaging as the TV and videogame culture. I think the charter school movement is a Trojan Horse to make money from our poor children (how low can we go?), but public schools are largely a disaster also, as most of the students who go through my classes prove. They're not stupid, just really bored and disenfranchised from much of any sense of real, adult issues; and given all the time and money invested on them, I was for a long time puzzled by the fact that many don't seem to know much of anything at all outside of their extracurricular undertakings and some deeply instilled, hightly damaging propaganda. This is the fault of the system and the curriculum more than bad teaching (although I've seen plenty of that). Taking control of our children's education--I mean really taking control of it--seems to me to be a practical necessity. I know that progressives tend to support public schools. I'm more interested in the children, in growing a population of children who possess a strong sense of their own capacities and can think through problems, and I don't see the schools doing much of that.
As far as socialization skills go, I agree that homeschooling could cut children off given little access to those outside their families, but there are some things to consider.
First of all, what makes us think that putting our children in classes with those of their own age group, with an adult authority figure in the front, is a good means of socialization? Consider how unnatural this is. Try to think of the advantages of breaking away from this environment.
Second, the isolation of homeschooled children would be a lesser problem if more people homeschooled, because given scheduling problems along with the desire to have kids socialize and learn from each other, it would be better to develop group homeschooling coopts where people trade off their living space and time.
Third, I think we overvalue how much teachers know and undervalue what most adults know. Many public school teachers haven't absorbed themselves in knowing their subject matter since they walked out of college, if indeed they're even teaching a subject they majored in. This is a point very easily debunked, but it is one that comes up every time. It's a variation of the "leave it to the experts" meme that crops up continually. I've been through teaching college. It didn't help me learn to teach, and few future teachers in the program cared much about their subject matter.
I've seen Kay Johnson and Jennifer Bedingfield say the same thing about feminism and the younger generation women. Both of them have discussed about the way some, not all, of the older feminists would have their meetings but not invite any younger woman over. I can't see how that would help any. It would be nice if feminism were here to fight against the sexism that's going on but the fact is that as you three know, it's just not there. That said, when women and men who appreciate feminism for what it can do to help both genders say something like "feminism is dead in this country", they're not necessarily repeating a rightwing meme. They're saying it in a different context because they want feminism to exist unlike the rightwingers who say that "feminism is dead" in a totally different context and anti-feminist attitude. As I told Kay and Jennifer before, women will have to come together and not be afraid to give feminism a chance. I will add that more men will have to also understand and appreciate the benefits of feminism without allowing fear and ego to corrupt them. I don't claim to be the "perfect feminist" but I know enough of it so that I can succeed in helping to diffuse all kinds of verbal sexist wars and help young men and women understand and appreciate the benefits of feminism in life.
As for homeschooling, if you're of the type who's willing to do it without forcing religion on children and can afford it, more power to you. But as I told Kelemi, most people can't afford to do so and the chances of helping the kids obtain great communications skills and socializing is lower. We also live in an era where both the man and woman have to work to earn just to keep up with higher costs of living. By the way, I just saw your response to rr on homeschooling and socialization. I'm not sure I can agree with all of it but organizing homeschoolers in the same neighborhood could be interesting. Maybe organizing at the neighborhood and community levels could lead to fundamentally progressive changes with the public school system from the outside. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and experience on teaching.
"I'm not sure I can agree with all of it but organizing homeschoolers in the same neighborhood could be interesting. Maybe organizing at the neighborhood and community levels could lead to fundamentally progressive changes with the public school system from the outside."
Thanks, maxpayne, for suggesting some ideas and keeping your mind open.
Hello Elizabeth H,
Beware voting for any candidate based upon one or only a few issues. If you are not aligned in most issues you will be disappointed with that candidate when he or she wins. We are victims of too many voters picking a candidate who supports one issue. We are living? with the consequences of this voting pattern.
hey, Siouxrose!
I just wanted to chime in to add that I, too, single parented...as a Dad...
working while single parenting is not easy for either sex, and I wish I could say I haven't been concerned that my son suffered for the experience, though I did the best I could...
I mean, he's okay, and all that, but so many things get postponed, or compromised, or never come around at all...you just wonder...agonize...
thank you for your understanding comment about our war-first society, and damaging choices...
The problem with the Walmart decision IS the Supreme Court. Things are only going to get worse. Though deciding that corporation should enjoy the same rights as humans seems to be the worst decision ever made by humanity, possibly its down fall. Just insure your car as a corporation and use it as a killing machine. I didn't do it. The car did it.
This is the comment made by Paula J. Caplan that is worth repeating. Sadly, I see ample evidence of it at work in this forum:
"In a society riddled with bias, the default position of most individuals raised in that society is to discriminate. No edicts from corporate executives or exhortations at meetings of top and middle managers are necessary to implement oppression, because bias does its work through the lifelong beliefs, often unconscious or at least unexamined, and practices so common that it is easy to assume they are unproblematic: "Everybody does it." Thus, Scalia's statement that the women did not constitute a class because Wal-Mart's official policy prohibits sex discrimination is moot, both because a policy is worthless if it's clear to those who might implement it that no harm will come to them if they flaunt it and because, as Scalia noted, Wal-Mart managers have wide latitude to make their own decisions. "
Rough Runner: You present "Exhibit A"with respect to the behavior Jesus warned against, insofar as practicing the LETTER as opposed to the SPIRIT of the law. I wonder how you wil feel when the day comes that you're judged by the same metrics?
Unlike a number of I.T. specialists in the CD midst, I don't know how to pull up the thread from which (what you regard as) this "ad hominem" takes its substance. In that particular comment, you published some blatantly racist, as well as sexist assumptions.
And it's quite a laugh to have you sugest that only I care about the subject... since millions of women, in fact do. Millions of women, a "class" of sorts, will be impacted by this latest Supreme Court outrage. This is not just a Sioux Rose opinion, Mr. legal expert. Women who care about equal rights have lost their voice as the nation veers right, with the mainstream media purchased and under thrall to the same forces that profit from the wages of despair. This ugly course has arrogated to itself the right to make war at its pleasure, murder civilians wittingly (in planned droned attacks), while bringing the natural world into cataonic shock. If you think the current Supreme Court, supporting these types of behaviors has any remnant of legitimacy left, than I think you're the one who qualifies for, if not mental illness, a sickness of the soul. As Chris Hedges put it, we are a post-law nation. The Supreme Court grants its imprimatur the way congress stamps its approval on war after war, as every true precept of law becomes inverted. While the righteous authoritarians look on and nod. I doubt an Inquisition could do better...if this is what you call justice!
I have studied the masters of most religions. And I distill from the sum of these sources of wisdom, what I take to be true. Unlike an authoritarian, such as yourself, who thinks that The Word of the patriarchs is as good as the male god's, I look at a far bigger picture.
When I speak from the heart on THIS subject often the forum turns into a nest of venomous snakes. Just as right wing media smears people as decent as Frances Pivens, or sends attackers to discredit every principled act of every principled Progressive, if you think a narrow-minded letter of the law expert, such as yourself, can intimidate me. Guess again. Your heart is as dried up as a prune.
And you seem just fine with ad hominems, yourself:
"I doubt you know anything substantive about Jesus Christ or His teachings. You use him as a backstop for your idle maunderings."
Have a nice authoritarian letter of the law day.
As I recall the simple questions asked of the same number of respondents in Canada and the USA "Should the man be head of the household ?" saw almost 3 times as many Americans answer yes as Canadians.
(The number in Canada was less then 20 percent).
Keeping in mind Canada has a much more ethnically diverse population with a greater percentage of peoples from Countries where women are distinctly second class.
What this tells me is it not only men that embrace this viewpoint in the USA but a good number of women as well. Furthermore the position of people In Canada would seem to evolve towards equality moreso then in the United States.
I recall one warning made by lawyers when Canada introduced its "Charter of Rights and Freedoms" wherein is shifted the basis of its law from Common Law to Constitutional law. Lawyers and rights activists were concerned rulings would be based NOT upon what was right and Just but on narrow interpretations of the law as written.
I really did not grasp the full significance of this until I read on a ruling by Justice Scalia in the United States of America. It was concerning the case of a man who was on death row wherein evidence came out that proved the mans innocence of the crime for which he was convicted. The case went to the Supreme court and Scalia opined that "The Innocence of the man in question is IMMATERIAL to the case in question just as long as the PROCESS used to convict him met the requirements of the law" (paraphrased and by memory)
This remains a key difference in the two systems.