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Tim DeChristopher: This Hero Didn’t Stand a Chance
Tim DeChristopher is scheduled to be sentenced in a Salt Lake City courtroom by U.S. District Judge Dee Benson on July 26. He faces up to 10 years in prison and a $750,000 fine for fraudulently bidding in December 2008 on parcels of land, including areas around eastern Utah’s national parks, which were being sold off by the Bush administration to the oil and natural gas industry. As Bidder No. 70, he drove up the prices of some of the bids and won more than a dozen other parcels for $1.8 million. The government is asking Judge Benson to send DeChristopher to prison for four and a half years.
Tim DeChristopherHis prosecution is evidence that our moral order has been turned upside down. The bankers and swindlers who trashed the global economy and wiped out some $40 trillion in wealth amass obscene amounts of money, much of it provided by taxpayers. They do not go to jail. Regulatory agencies, compliant to the demands of corporations, refuse to impede the destruction unleashed by the coal, oil and natural gas companies as they turn the planet into a hothouse of pollutants, poisoned water, fouled air and contaminated soil in the frenzied quest for greater and greater profits. Those who manage and make fortunes from pre-emptive wars, embrace torture, carry out extrajudicial assassinations, deny habeas corpus and run up the largest deficits in human history are feted as patriots. But when a courageous citizen such as DeChristopher peacefully derails the corporate and governmental destruction of the ecosystem, he is sent to jail.
“The rules are written by those who profit from the status quo,” DeChristopher said when I reached him by phone this weekend in Minneapolis. “If we want to change that status quo we have to step outside of those rules. We have to put pressure on those within the political system to choose one side or another.”
DeChristopher, whose defense is being assisted by the website Peaceful Uprising, knew the government would be auctioning off public land in a sale in Salt Lake City, where he had gone to college. He knew it was wrong. He knew he had to do something. But he did not know what. So he did what all of us should begin to do. He showed up.
“I went there with the intention of standing in the way of the auction,” he told me. “I had no idea what that would look like. I thought I might give a speech or yell something. It was right after the guy threw a shoe at Bush. That was on my mind. I went there and at the front desk they said, ‘Would you like to be a bidder?’ I said, ‘Yes, I would.’ I was still thinking when I signed up, ‘OK, I’ll sign up to be a bidder so I can get inside and make a speech.’ It wasn’t until I got inside the auction room that I saw I had a huge opportunity to stand in the way of the auction. I had been preparing myself over the course of 2008 in a general way to take that level of action. I had been building up that commitment. I was looking for the opportunity at that point. I was ready to capitalize on it. I had prepared myself for it.”
But what he had not prepared himself for was the way the justice system would be stacked against him. It became clear during the selection of the jury that he did not stand a chance. As the prospective jurors entered the court, activists handed them a pamphlet printed by the Fully Informed Jury Association. It said that jurors had a right to come to any decision based on the evidence and their consciences.
“When the judge and the prosecutor found that out, the prosecutor, especially, flipped his shit,” DeChristopher said. “He insisted that the judge tell the jurors that this information was not true. The judge pulled most of the jurors in[to] the chambers and questioned them one at a time. He talked about what was in the pamphlet. He said that regardless of what the pamphlet said it was not their job to decide if this is right or wrong, but to listen to what he said was the law and follow that even if they thought it was morally unjust. They were not allowed to use [their] conscience. They were told they would be violating their oath if they decided this on conscience rather than the evidence that he told them to listen to. I was sitting in that chamber and could see one person after another accept this notion. I could see it in their faces, that they had to do what they were told even if they thought it was morally unjust. That is a scary thing to witness in another human being. I saw it in one person after another brought in the courtroom, sitting at the end of a long table in front of the paternalistic figure of [the] judge with all the majesty around him. They accepted it. They did not question it. It gave me a really good understanding of how some of the great human atrocities happened with the consent of the population, that people can accept what is happening, that it is not their job to question whether any of this is right or wrong.”
As the trial began, the judge refused to let DeChristopher’s defense team inform the jury that the auction was later overturned and declared illegal. The judge also refused to let the defense team inform the jury that DeChristopher had raised the money for the initial payment and offered it to the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), which then refused to accept it.
“We weren’t able to tell the jury either of those things,” he said. “They never knew that the auction was overturned. They never knew I offered the BLM the money. They were told over and over by the judge they were not allowed to use their conscience. When the verdict came it was not a surprise.”
“When our Founding Fathers created the jury system they called it the best defense against legislative tyranny,” he said. “They expected that if the government was passing laws that were out of line with the values of the community, then people would break those laws and take their case before a jury of their peers who would decide whether or not that person’s actions were justified. That was the system our country was founded upon. That shifted radically as the role of the jury has been minimized in our criminal justice system. Juries are no longer given the opportunity to weigh all the factors of a case and are specifically told they are not allowed to use their conscience. It is not their job to decide if things are right or wrong. This is a drastic departure from the system that was originally created in this country.”
When I asked DeChristopher why he did not work within the system, perhaps by backing a progressive Democrat, he answered that “if there was such a thing I might consider it.”
“I don’t see anyone in our political system advocating for significant change,” he said. “I haven’t ignored the political system. I paid attention when the Waxman-Markey [cap and trade] bill was being debated. I saw that there was a Republican amendment that if energy prices in any region of the country ever go up by more than 10 percent the whole bill is null and void. In other words, if the survival of our children ever costs more than about $300 a year per household, we are going to stop and give up. Both sides debated for over an hour whether it would or not ever cost $300. But there was no one who ever stood up and said maybe the cost was worth it, maybe that was too low a price to put on the heads of your children, maybe it was immoral to put any price on the heads of our children. There was no one standing up and addressing the severity of climate change.”
DeChristopher helped organize a grass-roots campaign in an unsuccessful effort to unseat five-term U.S. Rep. Jim Matheson of Utah.
“I saw after the experience with the Waxman-Markey bill that our Blue Dog Democrats in Utah had to go,” he said. He worked for candidate Claudia Wright in a campaign that split the delegate vote and forced a runoff primary.
“There is value in working within the democratic system, but first we need to create a democratic system,” he said. “When we ran Claudia Wright it started with a Craig’s List ‘help wanted’ ad for a ‘Courageous Congressperson.’ We pulled together a panel of longtime activists who were well respected in Utah representing various issues, from environmental issues to peace and justice to LGBT rights, labor, immigration rights and health care. That panel held public interviews at the Salt Lake City Library with all the people who had applied to the Craig’s List ad. Everybody from the district was invited and got to vote in instant runoff voting. That is how we came up with that candidate. We started from scratch.”
“If we were going to have a democracy, what would it look like? That was one experiment,” he said. “Craig’s List is probably not the ultimate answer. But we started from the acknowledgement that if we want to work within the democratic process we had to build it first.”
DeChristopher, who is 29, admits he was “cautiously optimistic” during the 2008 presidential campaign.
“I saw that nothing Obama was saying was actually good enough in terms of the climate crisis,” he said. “There was a faint hope in me that perhaps he was saying what he needed to say to get elected and then he would turn out to actually be a progressive.”
He heard Naomi Klein give a talk shortly before the election. She told her listeners that if Barack Obama was a centrist and the center was not good enough to defend our survival then our job was to move the center.
“That resonated with me,” DeChristopher said. “That was where my thinking at the time was. We as a movement had to move the center. That is another reason I turned to civil disobedience. I was looking to do something beyond what was considered acceptable to shift those boundaries, to create more space where people could be more aggressive without being on the radical edge.”
“The chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said what we do in the next two or three years will determine our future, and he said that in 2007 and we didn’t do anything,” he said. “A lot of folks like Jim Hansen admit it off the record, but won’t say it publicly, that it is actually too late for any amount of emission reductions to prevent some sort of collapse of our industrial civilization. That certainly doesn’t mean all is lost. It means we are in a position where we are definitely going to be navigating the most intense period of change humanity has ever seen. What that means for us is that it really matters who is in charge during that intense period of change. It means that things are going to be desperate.”
“Generally in desperate times those in power do desperate things to hold on to their power in the name of order and security,” he went on. “That is when things have gotten really ugly in the localized examples of collapse that we have in history, whether they were economically induced as in Germany in the 1930s or environmentally induced as in Darfur. Rather than an opportunity for mass reflection, which it could be, where we could say we had this coming because of fundamental flaws in the way we structured our society, that maybe greed and competition were not the best values to base everything off of, rather than doing that, it is much more common in those historical examples to say, ‘Oh, it was because of those people.’ A class of people was scapegoated. The powerful said, ‘Those are the people who are causing our problems and if we take it out on them we can maintain order and security for the rest of us.’ That is when things get really ugly and dehumanizing.”
“We are starting to see hints of that already with the rather minor ripples that we have been having in the past few years with the economic situation,” he said. “Rather than admit the fundamental flaws, many of those in power have said, ‘Oh, it is because of those immigrants that are taking people’s jobs, or those Arabs, or those unions, whoever the scapegoat is, to try and vilify someone. What we are on track for are much larger ripples than we have had in the past couple years with the economic problems. If we go into that collapse with our current power structure and a world run by corporations, where we have ignorant and apathetic people who are afraid of their own government and think their job is to do what they are told, even if they think it is immoral, that is when things can get really ugly. If we go into that collapse with an awakened and educated population that views it as their role to create the society they want and hold their government accountable then we have the opportunity, whatever hardships we might face, to actually build a better world on the ashes of this one.”
“Our strategies must be to not only change our energy system and food system, but to change our power structures,” he said. “We shouldn’t be looking for the big corporations running the show to become a little greener and cleaner. We should be overthrowing those corporations running our government. Our job as a movement is not just to reduce emissions; while we still need to do that, we also have this other challenge of maintaining our humanity through whatever challenges lie ahead. This is much more abstract and foreign to this movement.”
“Civil disobedience puts us in a vulnerable position,” DeChristopher said. “It puts us in a position where we are refusing to be obedient to injustice. Civil disobedience puts us in a position where we are making a risk and possibly making a sacrifice to stand up against that injustice. It also puts us in a position where with that vulnerability we see how much we need other people. This is something I have experienced over the past few years as people have come out of nowhere to support me, to make actions more powerful and to help me personally get through this experience and grow from it. Appreciating these connections is one of the most important parts of resiliency. A lot of the unwillingness to take bold action is coming from a disempowerment that comes from a lack of connection. When we view ourselves as isolated individuals it does not make sense to stand up to a big powerful institution like a big corporation or big government. It is not until we gain the understanding that we are part of something much bigger that we feel empowered to take those necessary actions. This is a self-reinforcing cycle. The more we stick our neck out the more connected we become and the more empowered we become to do it again.”
DeChristopher, who attends a Unitarian church in Salt Lake City, comes out of the religious left. This left, defined by Christian anarchists such as Dorothy Day, Philip Berrigan and his brother Father Daniel Berrigan, as well as Dr. Martin Luther King, takes a moral stance not because it is always effective but because it is right, because to live the moral life means that there is no alternative. This life demands a commitment to justice no matter how bleak the future appears. And what sustains DeChristopher is what sustained the religious radicals who went before him—faith.
“The connection to a religious community for me is a big part of the empowerment,” he said. “From talking with a lot of the old Freedom Riders and other folks in the civil rights movement, it was in the church community that people found the strength and the faith that, no matter what happened to them when they sat at that lunch counter or got on that bus, there would be another wave of people coming behind them to take their place and another wave behind that and behind that. And that is part of what is missing from the progressive community today. Part of my belief system is an appreciation of our connectedness to the natural world, the interconnected web of life of which I am a part. I am not an isolated individual, and this understanding is what empowers me, but also in a more direct way in that I am connected to the church community who I knew would support me. Sitting in that auction when I was deciding to do this I was thinking about whether anyone would support me. The people I knew would have my back were in the church. That helped drive me to action.”
And because of that he understands that any resistance can never succumb to the temptation of violence.
“Violence is the realm our current power structure is really good at,” he said. “They are eager to play that game. Any opportunity we give them [to use violence], they will win. That is the game they win at. The history of social movements in this country shows that we are far more powerful with nonviolent civil disobedience than we are with what our audience considers to be violence.”
“Once our actions are deemed to be violent then that justifies repressive tactics on the part of the government,” he said. “With a nonviolent movement we are still inviting a strong reaction from the government or ruling authorities. We are inviting a powerful reaction against ourselves. But it undermines the moral legitimacy of our current government. That is the path we need to pursue. Rather than reinforcing their legitimacy we need to undermine their legitimacy.”
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Show AllRats, there goes my master plan. Exposed again. Here's another cookie!
heh
So how violent do you plan to get exactly? I only need a ballpark bodycount. Time for you to walk the talk.
No good deed goes un-punished! Always the little people go down.
"He said that regardless of what the pamphlet said it was not their job to decide if this is right or wrong, but to listen to what he said was the law and follow that even if they thought it was morally unjust."
Follow the law, nay stalk the law, to smash it to smithereens with your sledgehammer if you find it unjust, unsuitable to the better interests of the people. Smash it and melt down the pieces and mold a law better suited to the public interests. Tell the judge it's his job to get out of your way. You are the citizen and you mold the laws, to suit the people's interests, by definition the opposite of elite interests.
what happened to good old fair-and-square?...
who drove him outta town?...
was his home too close to that neighborhood?...
where those big shots stake their ground!...
what did they hold against him?...
when they built that slippery wall?...
did he poke his nose into their affairs?...
or interfere with business calls?!...
was fair-and-square a nuisance?...
who disturbed their bonus treasure?...
had he trespassed over properties?...
or resorted to bogus measures?!...
had he crashed too many parties?...
like an uninvited guest?...
or spoke the truth so harshly?...
it soon dumbed down greediness?!...
was fair-and-square such a stranger there?...
he couldn’t possibly fit in?...
did he make life feel too awkward?...
for them to spend some time with him?!...
did he lessen market value?...
on excessive selfish whims?...
were they in fear of losing out?...
or afraid of decent things?!...
what happened to good old fair-and-square?...
who drove him outta town?...
was his home too close to that neighborhood?...
where those big shots stake their ground!...
(sure hope your bigger picture covers more than just that one snapshot)... :)
(ask yourself)... :)
> Fair-and-square is a quaint notion nowadays.
Just ask SpongeBob SquarePants.
It's truly unfortunate to see the kind of outburst that was put on display within this comments section. Mr. Fake French, I can feel your suffering and anger. That said, there is a better way. If this outburst was not the result of alcohol and/or drug abuse, I suspect you are in need of a good Rogerian therapist. If this was the result of alcohol or drugs, there are any number of rehabilitation centers throughout the United States. I would recommend you check yourself into one. If financial considerations prevent you from doing so, I know that there are a number of non-profits which will take you in on a pay-what-you-can basis. Furthermore, you will find any number of twelve step groups either within your own community on in communities which surround you. Whether you know it or not, the level of anger you displayed on this board is dangerous to both yourself and those around you. As we are all readers of CD, we walk the tightrope of anger and frustration coupled with a burning desire for constructive change. Anger, if not properly channeled into constructive action will eventually subsume us.
For any CD readers who think alcohol and/or drugs are an answer, I urge you to read the following essay:
http://www.crimethinc.com/tools/downloads/pdfs/anarchy_and_alcohol_reading.pdf
Let us not kid ourselves. We are an alienated and disconnected society and making yourself a slave to these mind altering substances is both ill-advised and plays into the hands of our corporate fascist taskmasters.
I feel that the discussion about the efficacy of non-violence is one that we need to have. Couching people who desire to have this discussion as gun toting, murderous neanderthals borders on absurd. We've watched the last decade of non-violent protest against global warming yield exactly what? Record CO2 emissions, a northwest passage opening up in the Arctic, oceans in death spirals. Furthermore, as the world population heads to the 7 billion mark, I think we all need to examine our closely held beliefs. This means we come to the table with an open mind, first and foremost.
I would be the last person on this planet to advocate harm to any living creature on this planet. I say that in all sincerity. I also understand the psychology of victim and enabler and how it plays on the human psyche. It is important for me to consider things like the struggle in the Niger Delta and the writings of Derrik Jensen because I can tell you as a matter of fact, what we are currently doing is not working.
Lastly I hope no violence befalls Mr. DeChristopher. He has put himself on the firing line and anyone who has been ground up by the wheels of this great justice system knows full well the pain and suffering that awaits him in prison.
People who argue with Fake French get what they deserve: a lot of wasted time.
I don't really think anyone here deserves what Fake French gave them. Otherwise, I agree with what Lefty said.
Kinda hard to avoid when they start cyber-stalking on every thread. Management needs to clean the place up.
@Lefty
Thanks for that latest installment on your autobiography. (Especially the first paragraph.)
Do you have a job or anything? I've made about 3 top posts in the last 2 months and you've been there for each one of them. I saw on another thread that you drove someone off with your stalking. Ekobe, Gerald, Namaste, how many sock puppets do you have? maxpayne is lamenting above about how we are seeing a massive turnover of quality posters and one has to wonder why CD isn't cracking down on the likes of you. Minimally, they should start showing the last six digits of IP addresses so we can spot your foolishness.
I'd recommend rehab for you but I suspect your problems are far greater. I can only hope this stalking behavior we are witnessing on the internet isn't carried over into your outside world. You would be wise to visit a psychiatrist and get yourself on some Olanzapine. Assuming you aren't already posting from the library of an institution for the criminally insane. You are truly scary.
Poor 'Lefty' playing the victim role again: typical of the playground bully to deny his own responsibility. Really is your 'fear' based life, all you have going for you?
Your missive is also hilariously ironic given your many assaults on quality posters so to defend the aforementioned neo-con, and his egregious agenda; while attacking Hedges whenever he dares to provide an honest critique against the lip service libs that you speak for on this forum.
How many sign on names do you have now? Considering your numerous alter ego's on this site, - while carrying on a conversation with yourself - is just too entertaining while watching yourself spit all over one of your alter ego's. :) I suppose the FF was another one of your dysfunctional creations. Aside from this, I would never recommend rehab to someone like you: the entertainment value of your participation here has provided the best belly laugh I've had in a year or more. But more to the point, is the "rehab" line all you have going for you? I noticed that you use that against other posters whenever you cannot trump the value of their contribution?
And since CD has not cracked down on you for your many insults including referring to one poster as a "shit stain", I suspect your one of the editorial cowards who run this site.
You are welcome. I thank you as well. Your posts are equally appreciated.
I'm sorry, but the teetotaling, puritanical streak among US anarchists is the one thing about them that never appealed to me.
I always avoid drink before protest actions, but always enjoy a few apres direct-action (locally brewed, organic) beers afterward.
No problem pjd. I'm not straight edge and I personally don't have a problem with people drinking socially. For many people, these addictions become overwhelming and I fully understand their zero tolerance and complete aversion. Many of them have been through hell and back. I'm not sure how old you are but be aware this society pedals all sorts of garbage, both legal and illegal. Garbage that will literally suck the soul out of you.
"He faces up to 10 years in prison and a $750,000 fine for fraudulently bidding in December 2008 on parcels of land"
How can that be when the auction was found to be illegal?
"As the trial began, the judge refused to let DeChristopher’s defense team inform the jury that the auction was later overturned and declared illegal."
Sounds like the deck was stacked in order to make an example of him. Just another example in this "grand" 21 century that if you don't have money and powerful friends you don't have any rights in this country.
The filthy-mouthed child "fakefrench" doesn't get the point.
The struggle against Empire is NOT ABOUT HIM. It's about BEING EFFECTIVE against injustice.
This means using the best tactic at any given moment which will be most EFFECTIVE in building the movement. It's about saving Earth and its life forms, not about his feelings. ..
Non-violence would always be best, were it possible, and we should use it until we no longer can. In the end, though, it is but one of many tactics in a life-or-death struggle for humanity and earth's other life forms.
No one here wants to get in a violent struggle with the amoral, technological violence of those in power. No one. Just so that's clear.
But the most primitive and primary instinct of all creatures is to live. This stands for humans, too, with a few exceptions.
I think Chris Hedges is a great man, and Tim DeChristopher is a wonderful young man - I look forward to hearing much from him in coming years as a voice for the Earth.
We need all the good people we can gather as we work to stave off the worst in these "Long Emergency" times. .
And we need to look at all tactics--of which non-violence is an important and first-choice--when we decide what we should do next to be most EFFECTIVE.
Nicely stated.
(Monster)
Once the religious, the hunted and weary
Chasing the promise of freedom and hope
Came to this country to build a new vision
Far from the reaches of kingdom and pope
Like good christians, some would burn the witches
Later some got slaves to gather riches
But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light
And once the ties with the crown had been broken
Westward in saddle and wagon it went
And till the railroad linked ocean to ocean
Many the lives which had come to an end
While we bullied, stole and bought our homeland
We began the slaughter of the red man
But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light
The blue and gray they stomped it
They kicked it just like a dog
And when the war was over
They stuffed it just like a hog
And though the past has it's share of injustice
Kind was the spirit in many a way
But it's protectors and friends have been sleeping
Now it's a monster and will not obey
(Suicide)
The spirit was freedom and justice
And it's keepers seem generous and kind
It's leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't pay it no mind
Cause the people grew fat and got lazy
And now their vote is a meaningless joke
They babble about law and order
But it's all just an echo of what they've been told
Yeah, there is a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watching
Our cities have turned into jungles
And corruption is stranglin' the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand
We don't know how to mind our own business
Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watching
(America)
America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster
(Steppenwolf)
Isn't amazing how a song written in 1969 is still relevant today?
Perhaps it would be best if we were to let this country crash and burn! Would it effect us working folks badly? Probably yes. Would it effect the wealthy elite? No, they would just pickup and move to whatever government would have them, China, India, Saudi Arabia or Burma. But it would give us a chance to pick up the pieces and start all over again. This time without the Obamas, Clintons, Reagans, Bushs or none of the other wealthy bastards that have doomed this country!
"For more than six hundred years - that is, since Magna Carta, in 1215 - there has been no clearer principle of English or American constitutional law, than that, in criminal cases, it is not only the right and duty of juries to judge what are the facts, what is the law, and what was the moral intent of the accused; but that it is also their right, and their primary and paramount duty, to judge of the JUSTICE of the law, and to hold all laws invalid, that are, in their opinion, unjust or oppressive, and all persons guiltless in violating, or resisting the execution of such laws."
- Lysander Spooner; "An Essay on the Trial by Jury" (1852)
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Chris - the system has been broken for a long time. That's why John Gofman ("An Irreverent, Illustrated View of Nuclear Power", found Lysander Spooner and devoted his last chapter to justice and the law - two different things.
Manysummits
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Systems that are good inevitably become broken down by people who are bad, and perhaps as in any natural instance of decay, this is normal. It is as natural as any death-rebirth cycle. So as we watch our system be broken down, remember who is doing the breaking. Humans. Humans who are imbalanced with greed and fear and who are ill. Justice and laws born of justice are for those who are healthy and when those who are ill dictate law no justice may be found, it is all crime and lawlessness. We have broken people who are instituting crime and lawlessness in place of justice and law so they can break down more and more of our system, so they can get more money and power. Those of us left who are good and wish to, may stand up and work and do for good. This is a most difficult task because over the last two thousand years and more, the natural human systems have been breaking down. I'm talking about inner systems that align one with natural limits and natural laws. We are all a by-product of this process but only a few of us will be able to shake this inheritance off and be in a position to usher in the new era of humanity. It is those of us who can recognize what we are dealing with that can do this. We are dealing with decay and you don't try and fix decay. You plant new, you build new, you start over, you move away, etc. etc. etc. We cannot disobey decay nor oppose decay but finally there is no justice in decay and lawlessness prevails. Many good intending people think they can fix this system, when it is broken down irredeemably and controlled by those who have no such intention.
Well put Leea.
We are talking about the brave, creative Tim DeChristopher and what we can do to support him, right? Once again the thread has been hijacked. I believe that if there is an action on a certain date in a certain place, it is best to take the bus and avoid getting in a car with a complete stranger you met online. Just common sense.
Thanks to Tim and other heroes of the liberal class
"The judge also refused to let the defense team inform the jury that DeChristopher had raised the money for the initial payment and offered it to the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), which then refused to accept it."
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This strikes me as a good illustration of the two-tier pseudo-justice available in the Amerikan Imperium.
An ordinary unprivileged citizen like DeChristopher can't avoid the prosecutorial hammer by arranging and offering to pay for his bogus bids after the fact.
In "coach class", or "steerage class" due process, this is treated exactly like a shoplifter offering to pay for the merchandise found inside their coat or in their pants after they're caught-- or claiming that they meant to pay for the stuff all along.
The Law, administered as strictly, narrowly and harshly as possible in "steerage class", sternly rejects such after-the-fact amends as beside the point. A crime was committed at the point when the bids were made in bad faith, no matter what the criminal's intent or motivation, and it would be unjust and inappropriate to relent or excuse the defendant by accepting belated payment and thus legitimizing his heinous actions.
If DeChristopher was a "white-collar criminal", though, his case would've been adjudicated with "first-class" or "business-class" due process. Corporate crime is practically considered only "pro forma", or "de minimus" crime, and the pseudo-justice system strives to smooth it over with as little fuss or acrimony as possible.
Prosecutors would've bent over backwards to make lenient, conciliatory deals and "gentleman's agreements" to spare the defendant(s) the ignominy and inconvenience of being hauled into court and publicly prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Unlike the retail-theft shoplifter or DeChristopher, the corporate criminal's offer to make financial amends for the technical infraction would be happily and enthusiastically accepted by the State. It would be "no harm, no foul" and "no hard feelings" all the way.
After all, the State doesn't want to put a "chill" on capitalism, business, and entrepreneurship by keeping an iron boot on the necks of its transgressors. It saves the iron boot and mailed fist for mischevious troublemakers like DeChristopher.
O.S., you said it much better and made a better case on the fact that our system is rigged to where the punishment often doesn't fit the crime. Capitalism doesn't cause this to happen but it doesn't stop it from happening either so catching and holding perpetrators at the top accountable is difficult if not impossible. I'm afraid that we'll never get a socialist U.S. . Just like the 1930s, we'll have to push for socialism just to tame capitalism as much as possible.
By the way, I miss a lot of the great posters of the past such as RichM, Boyd R. Collins, JenniferBedingfield, Bliss Doubt, Salusa Secundus, Two Americas, Visiting Professor, Kay Johnson, cassandra, socialist, metal, greatrockyhill and a few other names I just can't remember at the moment. I think I've seen some of them post but rarely. Even Jake Newton was challenging but interesting even with all the disagreements.
For a strange reason, it's as if I'm missing the old CD that I could always come to when feeling down in the blues after battling another nasty Obama PR skunk and their minions. Maybe it's all the infighting and personal flare ups that I'm noticing on too many topics more frequently. I enjoy discussing issues with most people on this forum and debating is great but verbal wars of high school fighting nature has gone too far and it's like we're losing great discussions. I don't recommend banning anyone unless they're spammers or really obnoxious. We need to work our differences out and show ourselves, each other, and outsiders reading this forum that respect and understanding can be attained even in the darkest days of our lives. I'm sorry I added this paragraph but most of this thread has disgusted me and I couldn't help but let this one out.
No site is perfect but at least this one is better than Alternet, no?
I'm not asking for any site to be "perfect". My concern was only that I've been seeing a frequent pattern of flaring up over personal matters discussion after discussion. I've been noticing that Ron Paul gets more hatred than ever before and unlike before, trying to help solve personal disputes can get you attacked as "good cop". Still, I find this site better because discussions usually tend to be more thorough and intelligent especially when dealing with poorly written articles. There's also room for improvement, understanding, and reconciliation. I guess that explains why I not only don't take a vacation from CD unlike Alternet these days but that I'm also willing to speak up and ask for a little improvement when discussions go downhill.
As for Alternet, I go back there but not as frequently as I used to. That site seems to have gotten back to normal sort of. I can post and my messages won't disappear but I can't edit my posts after posting or "like" a comment due to possible technical conflicts on their side that I have no clue about. I also "lost" most of my posts of the past but have backups for others to read on demand. Aside from technical "disabilities", the articles can be dull and sappy and even the discussions are not quite as dynamic compared to here. But I still give them credit for progress coming albeit slow.
OS: once again I appreciate your prophetic insight. BLM refused payment by DeChristopher and since this all happened on Obama's watch, I guess we can conclude (and taken with all of Obama's other neo-conservative agenda) that a vote for Obama is a vote for continued oppression. Thanks again. Well done.
As usual this article is good but lacking. It is good in that it alerts us again, that something is wrong. It is lacking in that it points the finger at the wrong group. What is wrong, is potentially wrong in us all. Not a select few with whom there is a manifesting overt sickness based on being in a position where it becomes obvious to observer that they are ill. Why is it that the sick get off scott free, while the rest of us who are able must stand up and do what needs to be done? Because the sick can never be expected to do what their ailment prevents them from doing, being well. Those in positions of power that keep the machinery running are double burdened with illness and great power. For those of us who are well, and determining who among us is well, balanced, educated, wise, and able, is difficult, we who are in positions that allow us can do different, we are not double burdened. History has proven that it only takes a minority of this caliber of people to make a difference, a huge difference. We are not dealing with injustice when we are dealing with those who are psychologically imbalanced, we are dealing with disability. When you call it injustice you are missing the target and making your solution which is to stand up to these people, one that is insanity. We must simply stand up, those who are able and reach out and join arms. But who of us is able? This is what I am beginning to wonder.
Leea, I know you're not a Chris Hedges fan but for your own good, don't put too much of the blame on the individual and give cannon fodder to the elites.I think you get it that we need to unite and organize but the fact is that trying to make people feel "guilty" instead of giving them credit where they get it right and correcting them kindly on their weakness(es) is just plain wrong. Keep in mind that what happened to that 29 year old could happen to anyone including you, no offense or scare.
maxpayne, the elite are not sane enough to take what I say as cannon fodder. They will not pay any of what I write here at common dreams any mind. For those who are able to discern what it is I am speaking of, they can become empowered to work around these disturbed individuals we call the elite but are in reality enmeshed in our society at all levels with the top being where they seem to be in higher concentrations. It is crucial that anyone who has the potential becomes more enlightened and aware of what it is we are facing and must do to create a new humanity that will take us past these crises points we are quickly reaching and passing.
Opposition to a system that can be changed makes perfect sense. Our system cannot be changed in my opinion, it must be by-passed. We are at a point in time where nothing less than social evolution is in order. Dramatic shifts in consciousness and intelligence are also in order. We cannot know who among us will be able to achieve this, but we must recognize the markers of such a shift. Those who make themselves part of the system, either in authoring it or opposing it, are the system. Those of us with the courage to work on starting anew are not the system. Chris Hedges knows there is a problem and I am a fan of him for this fact, but he is deep in the problem in the sense that he is trying too hard to prove it exists and not deep enough in proving the solutions that exist. This is how I see it. No offense or scare taken. Offense and scare over simple exchanges amongst those who are on the same side are hallmarks of the mentally imbalanced, they are here as anywhere, but with a lot less power to do much obvious damage, though every little bit ads to the corruption, no doubt.
"Conscience doth make cowards of us all, and thus the native hue of revolution is sickled o'er with the pale cast of thought."
Let me get this straight, we just sidestep the sickos in charge, and build a new system that will sort of shove the current power structure aside and they (the sickos) will just watch in amazement as they are marginalized. Wow.
What has happened to Tim DeChristopher should make your blood boil, just as what happened to the victims of 9-11 in that gov't sponsored bloodbath should.
Another suggestion. To be precise, the sickos are sociopaths. They revel in torture and feed off the misfortune of real, feeling human beings. They can never be "persuaded" that their ideas are destructive and need to be abandoned. Deep inside, they know this, yet they direct all measure of resource to convincing the dimmest of us that it is not true so that a consensus cannot be attained.
The people at the very top also infect those that might otherwise be real human beings, such as judges (I understand that some judges are sociopaths to begin with) by promising advancement, etc.
So while I agree that these people are "sick" or disabled, the reality is that they are not going to "get help" nor are they likely to dislodge themselves. And, sadly, the only thing they fear or understand, for that matter, is retribution.
We can talk about how we got here and what should be done, but the math is pretty simple to me.
Do you suggest we build something with them? If we begin to build the society that we feel is a representation of us, what ever happens will happen. Fearing they will prevent us should not prevent us from starting. Fixation on what they are not doing or what they are doing wrong should not prevent us from starting either.
If Tim had been anelected official, like a governor say...or a senator...he'd have been scotfree. What a travesty of justice.
Well, if there is a protest and someone dies due to violence, you can bet the rest of the nation will prick-up its ears and start listening, sometimes the injustices are so wacked out of shape its hard not to respond in a violent manner.