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Cowards and Crack Dealers: The Shame of Regressivism
Damn, I’m embarrassed for regressives.
And it’s a good thing I am, too. Somebody’s gotta do it, and it sure as hell ain’t gonna be them.
There are basically two kinds of regressives, and they are both paragons of shameful behavior, though of rather different kinds.
The first type is the trooper. He watches Beck, listens to Limbaugh, and not only takes his cues as to what to think, he also unknowingly receives his marching orders as to what to even think about. Do you imagine, for instance, that tens of millions of fat, white, male, Southern, old farts all of a sudden individually came to the simultaneous conclusion that Obama’s White House has too many czars in it? Yeah, me neither.
These people are all over the place. They’re your neighbor, your uncle, your barber, your nightmare. They are astonishingly lazy and dumb, politically, but it’s important to note that that is absolutely by choice. Because what they really are, at their core, is deathly frightened. So much so that they cling onto the mythologies fed to them, and cannot be moved from belief in those rusty shibboleths, no matter what. If Jesus himself appeared before their eyes and said, “Hey man, knock it off with all this messiah shit, would ya? It was all just an elaborate practical joke which went badly awry, and 2000 year ago at that!”, it still wouldn’t matter. They would say “No, no dude. You are the son of God! We insist!” And, if he persisted in telling him that he wasn’t, they would... well, they’d crucify him.
I can’t tell you how many encounters I’ve had with these regressive shock troops over the years which have brought this home to me. At first I was astonished and puzzled. Entering into discourse with them was like stepping into an evidence-free zone, a place with all the logical integrity of a Dali painting. Upside down. After a while, though, I realized that there must be something deeper going on which causes people to cling so militantly to what is manifestly sheer bullshit.
That something is fear. This is what the Founders and their fellow Enlightenment school travelers (myself included) missed. Only some people some of the time are capable of thoughtful policy decisions based on rational analysis of carefully sifted evidence. Anyone who’s deeply frightened, for whatever reason, doesn’t fall into that category. Religious conservatives love to remind us that there are no atheists in foxholes, and they’re mostly correct. What they don’t get is that this observation doesn’t prove the inevitability of god, but rather the opposite. What it shows is that if you’re scared enough, you’ll believe anything, including that doing deals-with-deities, like “I swear I won’t drink or smoke or use bad words anymore, God, if you’ll just get me out of this tight spot”, would actually work. Exactly how much we really believe in the power of said divinities is reflected in the drunken, cursing and smoking soldiers out on leave the very next night, having survived the firefight.
Well, nobody is shooting at regressives in America right now, but by golly it sure must feel like it to them. You gotta be powerful askeered to act as stupid as these folk do. I’ll give you a recent example of what I’m talking about, which is very much similar to multiple such encounters I’ve had in the past.
This local dude I’ve never met somehow found out about me and my politics and decided he was going to give me a right good education by adding my name to his distribution list for these right-wing email blasts he spews every few days. No doubt you know what I’m talking about – this crap constantly bounces around online – and you’ve probably received many of the same ones from time to time. It’s utterly embarrassing garbage on a good day, and frighteningly dispiriting most of the rest of the time.
He was right, though. It is educational. You can really learn a lot about America by observing this sort of sad foolishness. So I let the email come without objection, until one day I couldn’t take the sheer ignorance of it any longer. The thing that set me over the edge was a quote from some European guy (apparently regressives forgot momentarily that they’re supposed to act all contemptuous of Europeans), which the local yokel sent out to his list, claiming that this was perhaps the most profound thing uttered in the last millennium. And, no, I’m not exaggerating. That’s really what he said. So what was this amazing piece of wisdom? Just a short passage noting that America will probably survive the incalculable devastation of the Obama presidency, but far more troubling is the implication that a great nation would choose this man for its president!
And that was about all I could take. In truth, this was pretty mild – and even quasi-intellectual – compared to most of the stuff you see. And, of course, I even agree that the Obama presidency has been fairly disastrous, albeit precisely because his policies are almost uniformly regressive in nature, a fact which regressives seem to be utterly blinded from seeing because the guy is black and a Democrat and not afraid to not be stupid in public. But I think what set me off about this particular missive was the absolute inanity of it, the complete violation of any sense of historical truth represented in its content, particularly given the presidency before Obama’s, much loved by regressives, which we just got through barely surviving. This is truly Orwellian stuff. This is Winston Smith sitting in the Ministry of Information, rewriting history.
So I sent this guy a note, and I asked him if he could please just give me two or three reasons why Obama was the worst thing to ever happen to the republic. Having gone down this path before, I knew what the very first thing on the list would be (because these troops take their marching orders from above, they are completely predictable), and sure enough, it was what I thought he’d say, that Obama is constantly apologizing for America to other countries. So I asked this guy for one single example of that. And he wrote me back with some vague allusion to an apology for human rights and immigration policy and China. So I said, “Could you please just supply me the quote of Obama making the apology?” And he said he didn’t have it off hand, but I could surely just Google it.
Well, of course, I already had. But I said to him, anyhow, “Let me get this straight. You’re claiming that Obama is the worst thing ever to happen to America. You’re spreading that claim all around to everyone you know, arguing that your indictment represents some profound wisdom and the last-hour warning of a deeply concerned patriot. And the very first item among your bill of particulars is the claim that president apologizes for his country. But when asked for several examples, the best you can come up with is a single one, but you don’t actually know what was said. Do I have that right?”
I should point out here that the actual incident in question involved a low-level bureaucrat who, in discussions with Chinese counterparts, apparently acknowledged that immigration legislation coming out of Arizona does not reflect the highest pinnacles of human rights aspirations. But these words were not an apology. And they were not spoken by Barack Obama, or even his secretary of state (remember her, the 1990s version of regressive fear-driven wrath, who seems to be okay by them now?). Moreover, this was the only ‘example’ given of the what was supposed to be a whole litany of similar transgressions, causing our friend in question to put this item at the very top of his list.
Finally, I can’t help but also note that even if the claim was true, would it necessarily be so wrong to apologize, especially given America’s history in Iran and Guatemala and Cuba and South Africa and Nicaragua and Honduras and El Salvador and Chile, and just about every country in Latin America and a whole bunch more in Africa and Asia and even Europe? I mean, what is the notion here? That we’re perfect? Or is it that we’re simply too bitchen to apologize, even when we do screw up?
Well, by this time, the guy was totally freaking out and telling me that he was going to remove my name from his mailing list and I should just leave him alone. When I asked whether he teaches his children not to apologize when they hurt someone else, he accused me of dragging his kids into a political debate – you know, just like liberals did to Sarah Palin. Even though, of course, I wasn’t doing that at all – I was asking about him, not his kids, and what his moral values are. Finally, I asked him whether he didn’t think that he was effectively committing treason by publically tearing down the American president on the basis of lies.
He wrote me back promising that he would absolutely cease reading my mail anymore. Hmmm. Wonder why?
It would be lovely if that was just one guy out there, frightened of his own shadow, willing to suspend disbelief entirely to assuage those fears, and disposed to the destruction of America out of personal cowardice. Alas, this is, instead, an entire radio audience. This is an entire political party. This is a very large chunk of the third most populous country in the world.
But as ugly as the radio and television audience is, it’s the folks on the other side of the microphone who are truly evil. These are the Rush Limbaughs and Newt Gingriches and Sarah Palins of this country who have recognized that there is some serious adoration and power (oh, and did I mention the money?) in catering to a nation’s insecurities. Can we just be honest about this? These folks are nothing but political crack dealers. They are absolutely capable of saying anything – or of failing to say anything – in order to peddle their sick wares.
This last week has been an absolute case in point. I have searched – in vain, shockingly enough – to find any regressive pundit who had anything seriously positive to say about the president’s obliteration of Osama bin Laden.
In a sane world, that quest would not be such a quixotic-to-the-point-of-being-absurd proposition. I mean, after all, aren’t the folks on the right the ones who have been banging the terrorism drum for a decade now? Aren’t they the folks who adore military solutions to American foreign policy problems? Haven’t they been using 9/11 to justify every imaginable policy, including even tax cuts? Aren’t these exactly the folks among all of us who should be most gaga that Osama now swims with the fishies in the Indian Ocean?
Yes, yes, yes and yes. In a sane world, that is. In our world, on the other hand, this event was a disaster for such folks, who don’t actually give a damn about national security anyhow, but have made whole careers out of pretending otherwise.
Like I said, I’m embarrassed for these people. Check out a sampling of their commentary regarding what was one of the biggest national security developments – on their terms, especially – in contemporary American history:
In “Obama Administration Takes Victory Lap In Clown Car”, Jim Treacher belittles Obama for screwing up his signal achievement. Included among the president’s crimes are the fact that his speech “was originally announced for 10:30 but didn’t happen until 11:30. By that time, the news Obama was supposed to be breaking had broken already. Not the best start”. Wow. There’s an epic screw-up, eh? Trying to get the words of the speech right, the president came out an hour later for the press conference than the time he had just got done surprise-announcing. Such a blunder, that. Imagine how irate Treacher would have been if Obama had, say, declared an American war had ended in “mission accomplished” victory before it had even begun?
Or take Andrew Bolt (please), who writes in “Obama’s Victory Turns Into Farce” that farce is just exactly what happened, “thanks to all the President's familiar traits of ineptitude, regal disdain and fuzzy Leftism”. Ineptitude? Wait, wasn’t Obama announcing that he had taken out Osama bin Laden, Public Enemy Number One? I think Bolt refers to Obama’s decision not to show the world gory photos of bin Laden shot through the head, given that such images might incite violence against Americans. If anyone reading this can discern the fuzzy leftism in that decision, please do let the rest of us know, especially now that about 80 people have already been murdered in Pakistan in reprisals for the attack, less than a week later. But be sure not to mention it to that commie subversive George W. Bush, however, who wouldn’t let photographs be taken of caskets arriving to Dover Air Force Base anymore, after decades of that journalistic tradition.
Thoughtful Sarah Palin also joined that chorus. She tweeted (appropriately enough) that Obama must release the pics, else he’s a girly-man: “No pussy-footing around, no politicking, no drama. It’s part of the mission.” Um, wait, do I have this right? Sarah Palin criticizing Barack Obama for too much theatricality? Oh lord, there actually is a parallel universe on the other side of the looking glass!
This photo conspiracy is one of the great tropes now emerging, to the point where the Baltimore Sun could run a piece entitled, “Do they really expect us to believe bin Laden is dead?” Here, the author opines, “Does anyone believe Osama bin Laden is dead? He supposedly died in 2007, we've heard nothing since, then all of a sudden he's dead again. This would not be the first time the government misrepresented the facts. Are we suppose [sic] to believe a president who wouldn't even make public his birth certificate [sick]? I think it's an Obama ploy to make himself look good for re-election. After all, how does a vastly inexperienced, non-military president eradicate bin Laden when previous, experienced presidents couldn't [sicker]? I want to see bin Laden's body, but we can't. A day after his demise he was disposed of at sea. Why do you think that is? Maybe he was really already dead and someone had to be disposed of to make it seem that bin Laden was killed when he wasn't. Why wouldn't our government want us to see bin Laden's body, unless it wasn't his? Sooner or later the government will figure out that we aren't as gullible or as stupid as it thinks.” No, as a matter of fact, it turns out that some of us are vastly more stupid than any government could have imagined...
Then there’s Good old John Bolton, who criticizes Obama for burying bin Laden at sea. And you know what a great contribution Mr. Bolton has made to American diplomacy over the years. In any case, his criticism is the equivalent of lambasting Babe Ruth for not hitting that 715th home run. Worse, it comes from a guy who sat on the bench in Little League.
Or take the great pundit-warrior, Victor Davis Hanson, who’s really upset about Obama referring to the actions he took as president, labeling his administration “The First-Person Presidency”, and pretending to be unaware that the insecure Lil’ Bush did this far more than Obama does. Like, for example, “Good afternoon. On my orders, the United States military has begun strikes against Al Qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. ... More than two weeks ago, I gave Taliban leaders a series of clear and specific demands.” Or, “On my orders, coalition forces have begun striking selected targets of military importance to undermine Saddam Hussein's ability to wage war. These are opening stages of what will be a broad and concerted campaign.” Yo, Vic! Hello?! Is your memory really that bad, or is it just, er, that convenient?
Or how about Peggy Noonan, who wrote speeches for Ronald Reagan and hasn’t had the good sense for thirty years now to deny it? She just penned a piece in which she fell all over herself praising the military for taking out Osama, but couldn’t quite muster the words for the president. Perhaps if he had tucked tail and run from Lebanon, or maybe traded missiles to the Iranian mullahs in exchange for hostages, she would be far more effusive. Who knows?
Not to be outdone, in his latest column George F. Will miraculously managed to turn the whole affair into a call for considering whether NATO should be disbanded. No, I’m not kidding. Bet you didn’t see that one coming, did you?
The only bit of truth (and I emphasize the word ‘bit’) I saw from the right anywhere was Ross Douthat’s remark that “For those with eyes to see, the daylight between the foreign policies of George W. Bush and Barack Obama has been shrinking ever since the current president took the oath of office. But last week made it official: When the story of America’s post-9/11 wars is written, historians will be obliged to assess the two administrations together, and pass judgment on the Bush-Obama era.”
Regrettably, this is precisely correct. Barack Obama is Bush/Cheney. I was stunned to see a regressive say that about a president they’ve spent two-plus years trying to turn into some sort of Neville-Chamberlain-in-drag-doing-bong-hits-wearing-tie-dye-and-campaigning-for-George-McGovern. I thought, “Damn!”, this could get interesting. It didn’t. Instead of knocking around his fellow travelers for being so willfully stupid about politics Obama style, Douthat instead starting taking whacks at Democrats, in the most condescending manner imaginable, for the same thing – that is for excusing what Obama does simply because he has a D after his name. Douthat happens to be right about that (though there are plenty of real progressives who have been scathingly consistent about both presidents’ ugly policies), but the far greater crime is that of the loons on the right. Because, after all, Bush was an order of magnitude worse, simply by invading Iraq (which Obama would not have done), an episode which Douthat seems to have entirely forgotten. In any case, in an act of true weirdness, he then goes on in his piece to rant about the perils of the imperial presidency. As if he was some sort of Neville Chamberlain-in-drag...
In sum, nobody on the right, as far as I could see, had any praise for the president, despite the fact that – whatever one thinks of the deed itself – Obama took a large risk, and he pulled off without a hitch the foreign policy coup of a generation. I mean, really. Yes, it does get bigger than this. But not often.
Ya wanna know why they can’t acknowledge this achievement?
‘Cause here’s what they were really thinking:
“Damn!”
“Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn!”
“Shit!”
“Man, this makes us look stupid. This reminds people that our guy couldn’t do the job in eight years’ time. Some might even remember how he said that he ‘didn’t even think about bin Laden anymore’. This completely blows our whole ‘we’re tough, they’re weak’ line we’ve been using since Truman. This jacks O’Whatshisname up in the polls, while we look like idiots, running around talking about birth certificates.
“Damn!”
“This is all about something way more important than national security.”
“This is about job security.”
“Ours.”


82 Comments so far
Show AllWe are so fortunate in these insane times to have a voice of wisdom and sanity in David Michael Green!
You're kidding, no?
accepting murder as "foreign policy" - this is progressive?
Although I am ashamed of conservative, Republican America, I am just as ashamed, if not more so, of so-called left of center America. They should know better. They should know that lies are always wrong--even if it's on the level of "There is no Santa Clause"--adults shouldn't be believing in Santa anyway. Most Americans are gullible, but of those who are not, most choose to exploit the gullible rather than reveal the "smoke and mirrors" behind the tricks. Very few of the non-gullible decide, at their own peril, to expose the charlatans and enlighten the masses.
The entire Osama/Obama saga reminds me of the human/god dynamic.
No one know if god exists. But lots of us have theories/beliefs regarding the matter.
Same with Osama/Obama. No one has a clear vision of the entire picture. Most of us don't even know the truth of the many and varied elements of it.
But we all have opinions.
I think we don't know what happened on 9/11 or who caused it.
We need answers to those questions.
I think we don't know what happened in Abbottabad Pakistan a couple of weeks ago.
We need to ask questions and find answers.
" Because what they really are, at their core, is deathly frightened". True. Fear is a great way to manipulate the politically sopohomoric, puerile, American sheep people. And it has been used over and over and over again! Example: If one goes back to the Mc Carthy era and reads the press, you will see that you can switch communists and reds for terrorists and it reads the same. " How fortunate for Governments, that the people they administer don't think. Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death". Adolf Hitler. The latest cheer leading frenzy of bellicosity over Osama Bin Laden is proof of that. Oderint dum mutant. Let them hate provided they fear.
Great article in that it truly reflected the every day bullshit that progressives must parry from their fellow Americans. From the right-wing, hate email to the disgruntled, disillusioned neighbor, Mr. Green captures the struggle that Progressives must endure with their ignorant brethren on a day to day basis. The Church of Beck/Limbaugh/Hannity/Savage though, have far more 'troops' than the voices of reason and therefore I can't help feeling a little frightened myself.
LOL, take a deep breath and try not to have a coronary my friend. I really do think we'd all get along better if we all went on a media diet for a couple of weeks.
This is a sad piece of writing. Its entire subtext reinforces the illusion that Obama is a better choice than Bush, even though Mr. Green acknowledges the intelligence behind the Douthat (Do That?) quote.
Green herewith champions the notion that "his" prez "obliterated" what he terms "Public enemy #1." So DM Green, for all his purported scholarship and potential depth of analysis, lines up with the other team players to endorse this phony Hollywood photo-ops moment AS history.
I am so disgusted with the nation. Yet it's abundantly clear to me that the cultural shaping devices ranging from religions that teach bloodlust, to sporting events based on raw shows of power, to Hollywood celebrating violence AS entertainment, all work to condition millions to follow along in conforming to the drumbeat of a Mars rules order. This sickness, which is a threat to life at every turn, has become the atavistic law of the land.
While there are many of us who find this spiritual retardation repugnant, see absolute depravity in celebrating the pretend-death of a pretend-enemy (knowing full well the length and breadth of suffering that's been engendered in his name), we are not yet a majority.
With nature dying everywhere, and so much that's broken in need of repair, what is taking place instead is a 24/7 media cheerleadering squad pumping up the nation's ego and twisted libido in an orgiastic frenzy over the (illusory) capture of this latest fall guy.
Because some writers on CD who ought to know better are evidently going along with this "popular fiction," my respect for anything else they have to say is quickly evaporating.
OBEDIENT SERVANT has posted extremely wise words in exposing how this awful tyranny to Truth operates. Green, like Michael Moore and others, cannot detach from the romantic notion that there are TWO political parties, with one ever-standing up for the "home" (workers) team. In spite of so much evidence to the contrary, blatant and consistent sell-outs of the public's (read: Workers) interests, still they bow before the beast, telling themselves there must be good if only they can locate it.
It is all grist for despair.
You know, that Siouxrose can write something so perfectly correct is the highest endorsement I know for the utility of astrology.
I'm getting to the point where I don't care if it's not true, so long as it can help lead people to see *these* truths.
I bring to your attention, ladies and gentlemen of this forum, another inverted attempt to equate my posts with LIES. This poster DENNAB is one of at least 12 (and their actual numbers may well constitute a handful because each has probable access to different screen names) who repeatedly post comments intent upon damaging my reputation. I go out of my way to avoid them; yet what I've found is that when they see others respond to my posts in a favorable way, they lunge at me using a variety of tactics. This is not honest debate. They repeat the same false allegations, and this crap has gone on for over 2 years. They are not interested in fair play, and while frequently accusing me of being intolerant, it is their group that insists that any metaphysical topic be denounced before it has a chance to spread its clarifying insight. This is precisely the MIND SET that burned women like me using the accusation of "witchcraft," (because we refused to grant fealty to the narrow rule-based authoritarian church-state). Hundreds of years later and they still won't let up! In this forum, their little cabal plays off one another mainly to plant false messages about the comments, life work, and motives of those that don't conform to their world-view.
I have been accused by a few (another tacitc used by this group of offenders) of making all this up. However, the regularlity of recurring character attacks are hardly my imagination. I keep a log. I'd also like the forum to know that most of these accusers have tried to establish email communication with me. Because some are trained in I. T. it's plausible that they may have made atempts to worm into my computer system. I can't say if these efforts are made because I am a published writer, or because the subject of anything prophetic terrorizes them (which suggests funding from a right wing Christian organization).
I have documented much of this. Once this McCarthy phase passes, and IF our nation returns to both sanity and a grounding in Law (as opposed to spying on citizens who may be viewed as "trouble makers") the record I have kept may prove useful.
oh, c'mon, thou doth protest too much. burned women? witchcraft? you're way over the top today. you're an intelligent woman who happens to believe in a 'religion' (?) that others are just not into. there's not a vast conspiracy out to get you (or even a small one).
Hey, Greg, Newsflash: Wicca is one of the fastest growing belief systems in the USA as people move away from what are the current mainstream religions. The frightened people in this article are just as terrified of a practical and earth-focused religion as they are of a black president and respond with the same rages.
Siouxrose is...and I hope she doesn't mind my using the term...a teacher and Shaman. We have much to learn from her.
Thank you, Dmadrone. I realize that mystical subjects, or the esoteric perspective is not for everyone. I just wish those intimidated by these subjects could avoid my posts, rather than feel the need to diminish or devalue me or my work. Because this pattern has gone on here for a long time, I feel no need to show politeness or respect towards those who use deceptive tactics in efforts to discredit me.
Isn't it amazing that for all that's going so badly, the authoritarians insist that we remain ON course? What kind of mindset is it that essentially demands that no one question the old ways, even when they can see that we are all strapped into a rushing vessel intent upon a virtual suicide mission!
Course Correction! I repeat, Course Correction... overdue, captain!
I'm not "intimidated" by the subject. I don't want to "devalue" you or "discredit" you.
But sometimes you sound like Prof. Trelawney from Harry Potter. ;)
Fake Indian,
The article was about the media manipulation of the right wingers, not an endorsement of Obama.
On Lies;
You lied to me about me. Go stuff it.
Your analysis of this article is superficial. And since you have often sided (on several past occasions) with that darling, Read Between, who is my chief nemesis, I question your motives. All through the subtext of this article is DM Green's traditional bashing of those he finds intellectually inferior. And that ilk certainly does exist; however, given the fact that so many liberals (or faux progressives) are going along with Obama's policies, 90% a direct match-up with those of Bush, the qualified mind recognizes this dangerous counterfeit. Instead, Green tries to create a false space between both camps by reinforcing the stupidity of its uber: right sector.
I have seen people, and not just you, take a comment I was first to make in this forum, and then use it as if was their own idea. Some people have the decency to respect the proper attribution. Of course, there Is that Hundredth Monkey aspect to consider.
I am hardly a fake Indian. I like the name Sioux and have used it as a writer for over 20 years. Since what I write about, and teach, reflects a universal wisdom in part drawn from Indigenous seers, if you had humanitarian inclinations, you'd recognize the merits in my using the name Sioux. Instead, you prefer to say nasty things.
GREG R: Since I consider you to be part of a covert group paid to hang out on these threads always supplying memes supportive of the status quo, it's hardly surprising that you'd suggest my comments were over the top. I prefer you to the savages that used to dominate the threads. Tough to say if they're returned with orders to show more politeness, or if substitutes have taken their former places.
Political witch-hunts (think Julian Assange or Bradley Manning, for starters) have already begun. The real thing? I would not put it past some groups... and it's always about silencing those voices that are positioned to expose the flaws in the Machine's power, those who curry enough influence to foment the growth of dissent. Authoritarians will brook no official narratives other than their own. Look at the money that goes into the control of media, politicians, polling organizations, think tanks, and even those pretenders spying in this forum... all for the purpose of keeping messages within "allowable" parameters.
This behavior certainly links with the ways the church murdered women of influence centuries ago. Now, conservative elites have thus far limited themselves to character assassination and career marginalization. It's tough to say how far things will decline given the criminal sociopathy of those in power. I've considered writing a short story about this very thing, but fear that in doing so, I might inadvertently provoke a nut job to enact it.
a liar piling lies upon lies
Fake French made the comment that he'd prefer things UNPROVEN and that was in direct response to his mention of astrology's purposes. You then turned his post into a support of LIES. Thus the characterization of lies was OBVIOUSLY meant to refer back to the content he responded to in my post.
Otherwise, explain what LIES you were trying to deconstruct. And as for stalking, give me a break. You and your cronies are the ones stalking me... when I point out the damage you hope to establish, then it's ME stalking you? Right, and the rape victim was wearing inappropriate clothing, and thus deserved it, right?
Thank you, Fake French. Although the facts of modern Amerikan life often overwhelm my senses and sensibility, precisely to counter the typical aspersion that members of my profession are out of touch space cases, I make it a point to remain painfully aware of the facts of current (mundane) events. Few astrologers read as prodigiously as I do on political and related subjects. And I devote a lot of time to tying evidence together that supports the ancient axiom, "As above, so below." Although unpaid for these committed efforts, someone who possesses this higher understanding, has a moral obligation to retain its record for history.
SABOCAT/PJD: Some people follow along the way the church choir reads from the hymnal, while some of us CATCH the subtext of every line being repeated.
If RICH M came to this forum, or one of the few endowed with peerless political acumen, I think you'd find that others see what I see here.
Yes, Green HAS made critical comments about the Dems selling out; but he has never once suggested a full-out rejection of the Dem party. If memory serves me well, Green has used his background in history to suggest that a 3rd party can never win. He may have granted some lip service (although I may be confusing this with a more astute comment left by a poster) to the ways that effective 3rd party challenges force the established powers to embrace subjects they would prefer not to have to answer to at all.
In any case, the intimate little group of CD posters, religiously loyal to the status quo need to do some soul-searching. To cast aspersions at those of us who see through the BS about 911, or the lies about the water quality in the Gulf of Mexico, or the viability of the American Economy (in its homage to Wall Street's criminal counterfeits), or the emphasis on militarism (as if THAT approach presents a solution to anything!), or GM crops, or nuclear power as "green," or lies about the impact (slow and undiscernible at a surface level) of Japan's radiation carried on the global wind currents, etc. is to do a disservice to Truth, itself.
When a poster always stands with the offiicial story line or permitted narrative, it makes one suspicious of THEIR motives. As related before, if you're an engineer, you certainly seem to have a lot of time on your hands (during would-be work hours) to post here. Curious, that...
Without bothering to rummage through the CD archives or Internet searches for specific references, in past years Green indeed advocated what I refer to as "militant reform" of the Democratic Party.
He made the familiar straightforward argument or analysis that there is no reasonable prospect of a "competitive" third party arising to break the death grip of the duopoly. Therefore, the most viable alternative (he knew better than to call it the least-evil, IIRC) is for progressives to hunker down and fight to "take back" the Democratic Party from its corrupt and devolved owners and managers.
But at some point he abandoned this crusade. Again, sorry, I can't put my finger on exactly when he admitted that this was not a realistic option, either. But after his Obamamania wore off, he stopped "rooting" for the Democratic Party or touting the militant reform that still fitfully percolates in the articles and comments here.
He didn't recant his belief that a third party would never be able to get traction, though.
fake-french buying garbage from a fake indian
now that's real
You're that crusty old jackass from some trailer park right? I don't know what the hell you're talking about with regard to flame wars and such, I rarely post here any more as the comments section has gotten too screwy.
Also, my sense is you're too much of an angry prick to bother with, so I've gotta decline your invitation to a verbal pissing contest with such a devoutly dim opponent. I've got nothing to say to you other than cut back on the cafeine before you have a coronary, grandpa.
I think you are reading too much - or injecting your own thoughts - into this. The subject of this article is the extremism of the ignorance-based fascist right, using their views regarding Obama as an example.
Green has sharply criticized Obama and the Democratic Party plenty of times in the past.
Thank you, Sioux Rose. I agree wholeheartedly. Since we're talking about "fear" in this article, what frightens and saddens me is that even "progressives" like Professor Green are still drinking the Obama Koolaid and singing his praises for allegedly taking out bin Laden. I say allegedly because I don't believe anything the government says anymore and because the story stinks like rotting fish. The government is riddled with pathological liars, including our Commander in Chief. Gee, I guess that makes me a crazy regressive if I too question the official story and wonder why they hastily dumped bin Laden's body in the ocean in "strict compliance with Muslim law" (NOT!). (Never mind that Saddam Hussein's two sons, Uday and Qusay, weren't buried for several days after they were killed by U.S. forces. I guess they didn't deserve the same consideration for Muslim law as Osama did.)
The further into the article I read, the more ill I felt. Yes, I agree with Green that it's incredibly frustrating to try to reason with regressives, since they eschew facts so effortlessly. But what's equally dismaying, if not more, is that even "progressives" are cheering bin Laden's murder/execution without trial, and buying the (ever-changing) story hook, line and sinker. My so-called progressive friends think I've lost my mind and am some "conspiracy nut" because I dare to question the official story line being fed to us by White House operatives and the lap dog mainstream media, and because I dare to ask why bin Laden didn't receive the same due process as those who were tried at Nuremberg. Well, Chris Hedges warned that those who question the powers that be and resist the propaganda machine will be marginalized and treated like pariahs.
Thank you, Anne. I've brought this point up in the forum before... the words we use, Exhibit A: The word Progressive, means different things to different people. For one thing, we're living in a nation whose food for thought is equivalent to eating shit. Thank you, controlled, or should I say captured media. Much of its loyal ilk, given the quality of manufactured discourse, mistakes Obama for a socialist.
We've lamented in this forum that the likes of Chomsky, Amy Goodman, Glenn Greenwald and others, for all their MASSIVE contributions to the political education of the public, veer away from the 3rd rail: an honest examination of what came down on 911.
With the nation forcibly pressed to the right (of the spectrum), the few token LIBERALS who get TV Time or syndicated columns generally prove more centrist, in their positions, than what would qualify as any GENUINE progressive stances. Therefore I submit that WORDS (with credit to Gloria Estefan) are what is getting in the way!
Just as the Greens have a number of ideal precepts they wish to see the nation governed by, it is incomprehensible to equate the "progressive" stance with rooting for the Wild Wild West contract killing of an individual who never stood trial, and in all likelihood is the fall guy for the necessary pretext used for war (of aggression). I mean this whole celebration of displaying the symbolic (if missing) head of the enemy is like watching Amerika (and a sympathetic small segment of humanity) psychologically revert to atavistic impulses appropriate to the phase that pre-dated Modern Times.
This is scary! It's scary to see someone like Eric Prince selling his army's right to murder all across the globe. It's scary to see such abject neglect of Green energy when all around us nature is no longer cooperating with cycles of harvest, or retaining the general stability that allowed civilization to flourish.
It's scary that public attention is being drawn to war as if it's another football game, that empathy, compassion, and the understanding of what is truly at stake, have all gone missing from the mainstream discourse.
Even in this forum, some men, and this is a big part of their conditioning AS men in a Mars rules society, applaud "our prez" for having "obliterated" Osama.
Just as some now accept torture (and TV has made it seem more banal. It's like witnessing another one of Pavlov's behavior modification experiments. This one intent upon evoking a generalized consent for policies that NO sane, nor civilized society should EVER countenance), never realizing that the same slippery slope that's artificially legalizing these policies means they can be used on OUR loved ones... there is a gaping incapacity to connect the dots.
As fate would have it, I date a man who comes from a conservative background. (Try finding anything else in the Bible Belt!), and whenever I try to raise his consciousness and bring up the types of things I study on CD, he tells me to just worry about myself. He does NOT understand (utterly lacks the empathic training) why something happening to someone else, or "over there," should be of any interest, or hold any bearing on my life. This insularity of the Self allows many who think they are moral to go along with policies of genocide... because these items are not internally recognized as such. P.R. firms have dressed up the campaigns of carnage in sweet sounding mantras of victory and vengeance. It is a SAD phase for Amerika... yet, as our Indigenous posters effectively point out, hardly a new legacy at all.
Karma does head home, and right now, as the Mississippi floods, after an intense winter to the mid-section of the nation, followed by fires in Texas, and a massive tornado outbreak in the South... this is JUST the warm-up.
Thanks Anne for accurately describing the second type of regressives that DMG just wouldn't get to. Hang in there and don't give up the good fight for trying to retain the true identity of the word progressive. You're doing the right thing. You're not a regressive and I've also had to battle Obama PR asshats. By the way, the 9/11 coverup is a symptom of our kangaroo court system of justice. I don't condone bin Laden but I know he had too much insider help from the CIA. If this country had known how to connect the dots, we'd all be united and calling for an abolition of the CIA but if not even the libertarians are calling for that move, then we're all screwed beyond any hope. I guess that's why DMG is silent on the second type of regressives.
Nicely stated.
Hi Soux Rose.
I Loved your original post.
But I hated the arguing that followed it.
I just scroll right on by those arguments after the first couple of comments. I wish they'd take their little spats elsewhere.
This author is well known for these types of views, couched, I grudgingly admit, in a fine writing style. But I rise in defense of Moore, who has, I believe, demonstrated an ability to learn as proven by his recent, and scathing, criticisms of Obama. That he works to change the Democratic party is not a criticism but a good thing I think. This "war" we engage in has many fronts and Moore chooses his own battles.
So even after Moore goes sloppy on his writing you defend him? Listen pal, we have a right to call him out when he goes wrong and dumb on one of his articles as much as we have to praise him when he gets it right. I know that Sioux has praised Moore in the past. It was Moore's recent article that turned us off. Sorry DD but Moore needs to take a very long vacation, say 3 months. I know that Moore can be convinced that 9/11 was more of an insider's job instead of wasting time playing meathead cheerleader for the "Moore is dead" Obama PR idiots crowd. As far as changing the Democratic Party, that's impossible. He should dump it and try boosting the Green Party. That'll knock some fear into the Democratic Party when more of the left then joins the Green Party. Hey, aren't you a Green Party member? If so, shame on you !
SR, this is one of your best posts. I imagine Amerika's Political HaHa Party system as a three legged gobblen, except the third leg is really his tail as in T rex. Fat and strong waiting to feast on others until there are only Gobblens left to eat each other. If only we could watch from are caves as the last ones cut off each others tails and die whimpering in the darkness. But our gobblens are just two legged and lack a third eye in focus. Such is evolution where devolution seems dominate.
Yesterday I was fishing on the Indian ocean and was thinking of the many sizes of different fish that romp and teem up in the ocean: composing a little kids poetry like "One fish, two fish, three fish more; take some time and set your lure; four fish, five fish, six fish more, take your time and let it fly" : And then The ugly trash came again, pollution and gruesome plastic floating like spit in a glogged toilet. There are million of tons of this spit floating like islands and crying out "why have you created me? You wrapped your temporary freshness so that freshness could rot a whole sea in a flood of colored desolution."
And yes DMG does not want to admit that the two party Amerikan body politic is made of plastic floating in a slimmy sea of desolution where real fish dare dart about about.
OBL body got away again, maybe catch him next time out: But did catch one tuna, one grouper and a couple more.
Reading David Michael Green is like watching a guy perpetually stuck in a cardboard box he can't quite escape from rolling around punching wildly at its walls.
That box, of course, would be Democratic party-brand liberalism. He just can't seem to wriggle free. I fully expect him to soon be writing more frustrated drivel bashing Obama while simultaneously telling us why we've got to for him in 2012.
Take it to DailyKos, brother.
This was an entertaining read, but lets remember that most of this loony extremism is largely limited to the comfortable and privileged suburban and exurban classes. Few in the low-wage neighborhoods around me are adherents to any of this fact-free nuttery mixed with fascist ideology.
But unfortunately, the comfortable suburban class is influential, and unlike the poor who are working too hard, and even can get fired if they are absent from work to vote, the better off, fearful of their loss of privilege vote in large numbers.
Don't know why you're so sure Obama wouldn't have invaded Iraq. Because he called it a stupid war? Nonetheless, he's fighting two or three stupid wars now and has broken plenty of campaign promises. We are way past the point where criticizing only Republicans is interesting--or honest. The Democrats are laying down with pigs and smelling just as bad. No true progressive can defend Obama: from screwing us on health are to committing extrajudicial executions, Obama is a charlatan and criminal. Just like his fellow Republicans and Democrats.
There were plenty of regressive pundits who had positive things to say about the president’s obliteration of Osama bin Laden: Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Connell, Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz, Maureen Dowd--I can go on, but you get the point. The liberal regressives have joined forces with the conservative regressives to trash the rule of law and bring back the law of the jungle.
Excellent comment, Donna. These seamless mergers in homage to corporatism are the unstated law of the land. We see the merger at work amid both political parties, as the basic reps must serve their campaign donors first and foremost. And we see it in media. My sister described it as living inside The Matrix. As soon as an idea catches cred, EVERYONE of the established pundits (on all the popuular networks) begins to toss it around as if by repeating it, it's made true! Orwell would not believe his eyes (or how prescient his words of warning) were he to live in our times.
Have you noticed how this happens with words? Remember when everyone began repeating "yada, yada, yada," or if something was really good, it was hip to say "that's bad." These language patterns or popular truisms enter the public psyche in a way that mirrors the way all the monkeys began washing their fruit as soon as one did the act.
Fake French: Great post, too.
I rarely watch the cheerleader Rachel anymore but wanted to see her response to OBL. she put up the scripted secret picture in the Sit room and focused and commented on all their faces. Lost the little respect for her I had from her AA days. She was as good as Amy at covering the invasions and calling out the BS.
SR, a poster down thread complimented your posts. I too appreciate them. Love the Karma stuff. Keep writing.
Since the reporting of news is ideally free of bias, and since getting out truth is dicey enough as it will always be inconvenient to someone, the thing to do is to take a look at the way in which news is reported. Some reforms should be made to shore up the factual content.
I do think a lot of opinion is absorbed as fact when nothing could be further from the truth.
You have to get viewers and readers in order to sell advertising, so news is a commercial enterprise and subject to pressures having nothing to do with the aims of dispersing factual reporting.
At the same time you cannot put the government in charge of the media as politicians will apply funding pressure in order to protect themselves from public scrutiny.
Most people just try to filter the news based on known biases, the UK used to be pretty good, we should probably study the history of the BBC for lessons to be learned.
This is why the old system of many newspapers, broadsheets, leaflets, magazines, all biased, most obviously and proudly biased may have been better.
Citizens could and did read a broad selection of them, focused on those whose bias matched their own, and knew what papers someone else read based on their point-of-view or vice-versa.
No false Objectivity meant more skepticism. Unless someone with a similar Subjective view said it was so, then it wasn't so.
Many of us here on CD are attempting to do the same thing today, but things have changed. Instead of gathering its own news, CD -and other similar sites- are forced to search the Corporatist and Foreign News for information and the Opinion writers are essentially activists with a particular agenda or intelligent TV viewers with a skill at writing.
" Obama took a large risk, and he pulled off without a hitch the foreign policy coup of a generation. "
Prof.DMG is taking exactly the same stance as Michael Moore did in an article published here the other day.
He wants us to cheer the foreign policy "coup" on the one hand but then admits "Regrettably, this is precisely correct. Barack Obama is Bush/Cheney".
Are these writers, who I've greatly admired in the past, simply afraid to take a clear stand against President Obama and the Democrats? The stranglehold of The Party must be hard to shake off for those who have trusted the it for so long.
Ameranglo writes:
"Are these writers, who I've greatly admired in the past, simply afraid to take a clear stand against President Obama and the Democrats?"
Fear motivates all of us "homo sapiens," "wise humans." The basic root fear is fear of death, embedded in awe at the unexplainable mystery of existence.
Fear of death and awe at mystery have deeply informed the widespread stories we tell ourselves in every culture about eternal life. [You don't REALLY die, all evidence to the contrary; the Lamb of God has died in your place so you will live forever (for example). Lather, rinse, repeat.]
The stories we tell about the reality we inhabit, HAVE to be rooted in explanations for the unexplainable mystery of existence, and the inescapable fact of death. Stories are very difficult to break out of, because they are rooted in our most primal fears.
Whether we are followers of Glenn Beck or Rachel Maddow, whether we read David Michael Green or Ayn Rand (or Karl Marx), we are typically not looking for a fundamental challenge to our preferred cover story.
DMG styles himself as being in a "progressive" "enlightenment" "reality-based" tradition that sees through "regressive" stories, culture and people. But while "enlightenment" science certainly gave the lie to many particular stories that had developed over centuries and millenia to "explain" the mystery of existence ("planets" are not wandering Gods, they are material like the Earth, all revolving around the Sun, etc), it did not itself actually "explain" the mystery either. Our fear of death remains at the root of the "progressive" stories we tell, our unwillingness to simply face death and mystery without stories that purport to "explain" them.
DMG's clinging to remnants of his Democratic Party tale, which he has seen through and shredded as he acknowledges in this very article while he continues to cling, is simply a variation on all of our clinging to whatever story we have adopted or learned to enable us to live without accepting the fact of our own death in an inexplicable existence. How many of us here at CD play variations of these themes, arguing (endlessly) about voting for which party or person or strategy is correct? And (sometimes) viciously attacking those who cling to different versions of the story?
Nowadays, as the "regressives" have come to openly dominate the Republican half of the duopoly, blatantly rejecting enlightenment ideals like science and representative democracy, the "progressive" Democratic half continues to give soaring rhetorical lip service to ideals like science and representative democracy while effectively carrying out the same fundamental policies as the "regressive" team. This produces schizophrenia in people like DMG, or more outright "regressive progressivism" as seen in the comment threads at sites like Kos of HuffPo.
Perhaps the greatest liberatory determination we can make, is to recognize our stories for what they are, recognize and own our deep fear of death and awe at mystery, and determine to move through life as openly and deeply in love with life as we are able. i've enjoyed reading the thoughts of Krishnamurti along these lines.
Easy to say, hard to do. i've always preferred a sort of non-observant neo-paganism that simply acknowledges death and mystery, embraces the natural cycles of life and death, and refuses and resists the human systems and practices that feed anti-life and unnatural cycles.
Is there a politics of mystery and awe, of natural cycles of death and life?
Hmmmm - thanks. It's a complex web isn't it!?
To avoid the schizophrenia you mention it'll be necessary to clear our minds about "regressives". As commenter maxpayne wrote above, regressive right-wingers are the only ones being targeted by DMG (and almost every other journalist, TV talking head, blogger etc. ) Whereas, in truth, Democrats are equally regressive.
If they're not, I'd love to see some proof.
Webwalk asked "Is there a politics of mystery and awe, of natural cycles of death and life?"....I suspect Siouxrose would say yes, for those who seek it. I'd think: maybe, while clinging to my amateur status, would say "I don't know".
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"Democrats are equally regressive."
To be fair, they're almost so but that shouldn't excuse DMG from hiding that fact. There are very few Democrats worth praising such as Kucinich, Feingold, and Grayson but even they can be dubious at best when their legislative record is fully looked at. But what really pisses me and others off is that the Obama PR goons will use those names to cover for all Democrats and that's the worst thing any regressive scum could ever do. The Democratic Party is nothing like the 1950s, 60s, and 70s anymore and if people don't get it now, our kids and grandkids probably won't either.
WEB WALK: You raise some compelling issues and offer some interesting analogies; however, your post wreaks of a moral relativism that basically says nothing to signify outrage for the levels of corruption that have joined both parties in doing the elite, murderous masters' lawless bidding.
Much of what you relate is tautologically true, and therefore cannot BE countered. Still, your overall argument leaves me feeling empty... like there's no difference between any political position, it's all JUST stories. Do you suppose those brave and intelligent souls who witnessed the carnage and destruction of Europe, and then endeavored to work against such a recurrence in devising the Judicial masterpiece of The Geneva Conventions were merely inventing a story?
Sure, we all have our sacred cows. There are truths and then there is Universal Truth. And by the way, while death is the great inevitability and equalizer, those of us who believe in reincarnation (possibly 20% or more of citizens of the world) have far LESS fear of death, nor is it the compelling antagonist that drives the story-line of our lives.
Thanks for reading. You wrote:
"... your post wreaks of a moral relativism that basically says nothing to signify outrage for the levels of corruption that have joined both parties in doing the elite, murderous masters' lawless bidding."
True i didn't go into detail about my political analysis or activity here but i wrote:
"i've always preferred a sort of non-observant neo-paganism that simply acknowledges death and mystery, embraces the natural cycles of life and death, and refuses and resists the human systems and practices that feed anti-life and unnatural cycles."
Refusal of and resistance to human systems and practices that feed anti-life and anti-nature does not translate into moral relativism. i've got decades of participating in non-violent action, urban food production, cooperative houses, cooperative enterprises and writing, none of which reeks of "moral relativism." i love direct democracy and hate corporatism and militarism, and if i "identify" with anything politically it is something like Chomsky's libertarian anarchism, or a sort of anarcho-syndicalism with the self-managed workplace as a fundamental political unit.
i certainly do not want to debate you about beliefs, and my answer to Ameranglo is not directed at you. In terms of the internal logic of MY belief system, i see your (and as you point out, over a billion other people's) belief in reincarnation as arising precisely from the same fear of death i was referring to as the basis of the fearful personality that motivates so many of us such as DMG here. You obviously see this differently than i do, and as you've laid out in these threads, you have ways of understanding people like me in ways that make sense in your belief system.
i realize that having a safe open discussion in this bizarrely truncated space of an internet comment thread is structurally difficult. This communication forum is not how humans evolved socializing, and building group community or personal relationships or even having a normal conversation is hard when we do not hear our tones of voice, do not look each other in the eye, cannot give or interpret normal audible or visible signals of emotion, intention, safety etc, and do not share any other aspects of community such as work or family (except for some here who do know each other outside this forum).
As everyone on the internet is painfully aware, these forums can easily degenerate, and thus can more-or-less easily be tactically disrupted. i hope i'm seen as an honest contributor. i appreciate that you have stated that you are not quite sure what to think of me, and i would certainly prefer to be seen as some kind of independent thinker, rather than some sort of embed, misogynist or sock puppet. i often simply do not interact with you here because of this dynamic. But i do talk about how i see the world, and i like to do so without being cast in the role of one of your tormentors.
Is it plausible for us to try to maintain an assumption of personal respect and integrity for each other? Even as we interpret the mystery of existence differently?
WEB: In answer to your last question, of course. I appreciate the time you put into your post, its thoughtfulness, and your respect for what may be our differences in spiritual philosophy. Is reincarnation merely a way to stave off the fear of death? To those that equate the material plane with the full sum of reality, that conclusion would seem viable. In any case, much to think about here; and naturally NONE of us has all the answers. If we did, we probably would not find ourselves incarnated into a body. Electing to be here, participating in this planet's odd and uneven evolution, means accepting that there IS much to learn. That may well constitute the great adventure... without boundaries or yet-known parameters.
Peace.
Ameranglo & ekobe, I think you're both on the trail to the truth.
DMG has made palpably regressive statements in this article.
You're correct, he's come a long way towards the truth this past year or so, and whoa, he's beginning to become aware that he's up against the wall of another election cycle and if his politics don't get a little soft and fuzzy he could find himself in one scary, looooonely llittle hell.
Out there with Ralph and Chris and that prof from UArizona or somewhere who found himself out there without work or friends after 9/11.
Time to RUN AWAY!!! Get back, man, this could get real ugly real fast. So he throws out clues to the establishment that he's not really a threat:
" Obama took a large risk, and he pulled off without a hitch the foreign policy coup of a generation. "
DMG is not this stupid. Assassination is not foreign policy. Murder of an unarmed, sick, elderly man is no coup. It is a stupid crime that will blow back in the face of the US for years and stupid to the degree that it mimics the mistakes of the Cheney thugs without the bows and ribbons normally used by Obomber to pretty it up.
Progress of any sort rarely occurs in a continuous path forward. If it was that easy the mountaintop would be over-crowded.
DMG: you've come a long way, baby. And yeah, the bad guys are REALLY bad and they really have cornered the market in most of the cards that matter.
Prolly lots of people were calling you back from out on that limb.
But before you got knock-kneed in this article, you were getting really good.
Your left hooks were making contact.
You coulda been somebody.
DMG gets a lot right about the wing nuts, but I liked his articles of a year ago (or more) when his gloves where off when it came to Obama. His penetrating critiques of the Obama Admin where insightful in keeping with the norms one finds with Hedges. Now he seems to be watering down his blistering critiques of Obama pretty much giving him free pass as if Obama's continued rightward drift and enthrallment with neo conservative values is a thing of the past. After all, Obama is a REGRESSIVE. Shame on you Mr. Green. Getting too much heat from the propaganda wing of the Dem Party?