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Torture Is Never Legal and Didn’t Lead Us to Bin Laden
The assassination of Osama bin Laden has rekindled the discourse about the efficacy and legality of using torture in the “war on terror.” Torture is illegal under all circumstances, even in wartime. Moreover, the United States located Bin Laden with traditional interrogation methods over several years, not by the use of torture.
Demonstrator Maboud Ebrahimzadeh is held down during a simulation of waterboarding. (Reuters)
When the United States ratified the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, it became part of U.S. law under the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, which says treaties are the supreme law of the land. The Torture Convention states, “No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.” The prohibition against torture is unequivocal, regardless of the circumstances.
Pundits proclaim that the successful hit on Bin Laden exonerates the Bush administration for its use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” – aka torture. John Yoo wrote in the Wall Street Journal that the kill “vindicates the Bush administration, whose intelligence architecture marked the path to bin Laden’s door.” The author of the most egregious torture memos, Yoo maintains that “the tough interrogations” of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Abu Faraj al-Libi provided the United States with the identity of Bin Laden’s courier.
Yoo’s claims are false. Senator John McCain declared in a speech on the Senate floor yesterday, “It was not torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of detainees that got us the major leads that ultimately enabled our intelligence community to find Osama bin Laden.” McCain said that CIA Director Leon Panetta told him: “The first mention of Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti – the nickname of the al-Qaeda courier who ultimately led us to bin Laden – as well as a description of him as an important member of al-Qaeda, came from a detainee held in another country, who we believe was not tortured. None of the three detainees who were waterboarded provided Abu Ahmed’s real name, his whereabouts or an accurate description of his role in al-Qaeda.”
McCain added, “In fact, the use of ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ on Khalid Sheik Mohammed produced false and misleading information.” Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in 2003. It is well-established in U.S. case law that waterboarding constitutes torture.
Tommy Vietor, spokesman for the National Security Council, agrees that waterboarding didn’t lead us to Bin Laden. He said, “The bottom line is this: If we had some kind of smoking-gun intelligence from waterboarding in 2003, we would have taken out Osama bin Laden in 2003.” He added: “It took years of collection and analysis from many different sources to develop the case that enabled us to identify this compound, and reach a judgment that Bin Laden was likely to be living there.”
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney concurs: “It simply strains credulity to suggest that a piece of information that may or may not have been gathered eight years ago somehow led to a successful mission [on May 1]. That’s just not the case.” Dianne Feinstein, chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, confirmed that “none of it came as a result of harsh interrogation practices.”
A 2006 study by the National Defense Intelligence College found that traditional, rapport-building interrogation techniques are extremely effective even with the most hardened detainees, but coercive tactics create resistance and resentment.
Interrogators agree that torture is not efficacious to glean intelligence. Glenn L. Carle, who supervised the 2002 interrogation of a high-level detainee for the CIA, told The New York Times that coercive techniques “didn’t provide useful, meaningful, trustworthy information.”
Likewise, Ali Soufan, who interrogated Abu Zubaydah, testified before Congress that harsh interrogation techniques “are ineffective, slow, and unreliable, and as a result harmful to our efforts to defeat al Qaeda.” Soufan wrote in the Times that any useful information Zubaydah provided happened before the “enhanced interrogation techniques” were utilized.
Matthew Alexander, a former senior military interrogator who supervised or conducted 1,300 interrogations in Iraq, which led to the capture of several al-Qaeda leaders, echoes Soufan’s sentiments. Alexander said, “I think that without a doubt, torture and enhanced interrogation techniques slowed down the hunt for Bin Laden.”
When I testified in 2008 before the House Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties about Bush administration interrogation policy, one of the Republican congressmen asked me how I would fashion an interrogation statute. I replied that it would require humane, kind, respectful treatment to develop trust. As the questioner sniggered, Professor Philippe Sands, who also testified on the same panel that day, said I was correct, that the British got much better intelligence from the Irish Republican Army when they used humane techniques.
In her chapter in The United States and Torture: Interrogation, Incarceration, and Abuse, journalist Jane Mayer discusses Ibn Sheikh al Libi, who was tortured in CIA custody. Al Libi provided a link between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda, which Colin Powell cited in his speech before the Security Council as he tried to secure a resolution authorizing the invasion of Iraq. The CIA knew Al Libi’s information was false; indeed, he later recanted, and died under mysterious circumstances.
Torture is not simply illegal, immoral and ineffective. It is also counter-productive. Former Navy General Counsel Alberto Mora testified before Congress that the two most effective recruiting tools for those who would do harm to our soldiers in Iraq were Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo. When people see the U.S. government torturing detainees from their countries, they resent us even more.
Indeed, an interrogator currently serving in Afghanistan, told Forbes, “I cannot even count the amount of times that I personally have come face to face with detainees, who told me they were primarily motivated to do what they did, because of hearing that we committed torture . . . Torture committed by Americans in the past continues to kill Americans today.”
Until the United States completely revamps our foreign policy and ends the wars, occupations, and harsh treatment of people in U.S. custody, we will continue to be vulnerable to terrorism.


24 Comments so far
Show AllDon't forget that all of this has come from the great fiction of three towers turning into dust.
Yes, Buck. At this point I wish these silly pundits would just drop the subject, since they contribute nothing to the real debate and get lost following the red herrings. The lie has sunk in. Move on, Marjorie Cohn and Michael Moore and the rest. You needn't repeat the lie. Perhaps you could be more helpful concentrating on issues where you aren't deceived.
The more important question that apparently never gets ask is: why hasn't anyone been brought to court? and be it to have their name cleared.
Yet everyone can travel more or less as they please. Bush had recently a bit of a problem going to Switzerland, if the reports were correct, but otherwise?
So what's a law worth that no one cares about?
"So what's a law worth that no one cares about?"
Laws only apply to people of color, children (unless their parents are rich), and the poor.
After WW II we executed some Japanese soldiers for waterboarding our soldiers.
And a few Germans for invading other countries.
A Japanese General was hung for war crimes for activities that occurred under his command even though he did not authorize or order such. These activities included water boarding.
In passing its sentence of death the court trying said General concluded that the General did not uses his Command Authority to ensure troops under his command refrained from torturing prisoners.
Jodl the German Chief of Staff was also hung. His crime was in the issuing of an order that stated that Russians captured on the Eastern Front would NOT be allowed Geneva convention protections.
Virtually every person in the Bush Administration and in the current Obama administration would be hung were the same standards to apply to them.
One Likeitornot whimpers and whines every time someone compares the US Government to the Nazis. I fail to see any real difference. The Nazis were war criminals. So are the members of the Republican and Democratic parties .
Torture works. So did slavery. So does murder.
So does slavery. The difference between the old slavery and the new slavery is that in the old slavery the slaver had to take care of the slave, because the latter was valuable property. In the new slavery, the businessman doesn't have to take care of his wage slave, because there are millions of "unemployed" wage slaves looking for "jobs" ready to take the worker's place if he becomes too uppity or dies.
By virtue of historical circumstance, until the 20th century America consisted mostly of white subsistence farmers who were indeed independent and free. Today the American population is a population of wage workers who slave away in something called "the service sector". So, vis-a-vis today's "Is America a nation of cowards?" article, the answer is: Yes - not only a nation of cowards, but even a nation of slaves.
This is very unfortunate, because America still retains a number of freedoms, or at least the memory of some freedoms. But the freedoms are going away, because good slaves do not need freedoms. America really could have been a guiding light for the world - instead it is something, the nature of which you know, and which we need not discuss here.
"Al Libi provided a link between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda, which Colin Powell cited in his speech before the Security Council as he tried to secure a resolution authorizing the invasion of Iraq. The CIA knew Al Libi’s information was false; indeed, he later recanted, and died under mysterious circumstances.
Torture is not simply illegal, immoral and ineffective. It is also counter-productive."
Clearly, in the above case, torture worked. If your goal is to elicit false information, what better way than forcing said information through torture. They needed a link between Saddam and al-Queda and they got their link by using torture. Torture is only counter-productive if you want the truth.
Fri May 13, 2011 11:22AM
The notorious military contractor formerly known as Blackwater along with intelligence operations program Able Danger has formed a new spy firm called Jellyfish Intelligence. [presstv]
...To spy on US citizens within the US...Everyman will soon experience what torture really is...
Torture is a tool to instill fear.
Legality is a joke. Make a stronger statement. Say "torture is WRONG". If someone tells you that right and wrong do not exist, torture him.
The deeper philosophical or moral issue, which is to be distinguished from the legal, is whether facts determine moral truths. In the case of torture of detainees, I think a person could believe that such torture is morally justified because it is in fact the only means of eliciting intelligence that saves lives that otherwise would be lost. There are plenty of people, call them purists or Kantians, who think it doesn’t matter whether that’s a fact – torture of detainees is always immoral. The article seems addressed primarily to the first group, that is, those who base their understanding of the morality of torture upon the facts concerning whether it “works.” The drafters of the laws cited in the article would appear to adhere to the Kantian view, since no exceptions are brooked.
Not addressed in the article is the use of torture of detainees to elicit information from others, such as relatives or friends of the detainee, who are confronted with the torture and told that it will continue until they (the others) provide the wanted information. Say, for example, bin Laden and his wife and child had been captured and bin Laden was made to understand that his wife or child would be tortured unless he confessed all his contacts or plans. In this situation, the torture could be deferred until the information could be checked out; then started or renewed if the information was found erroneous. This scenario confronts the non-purists with a harder problem; it reinforces the Kantian position.
Interesting questions could be put to politicians or candidates. Do they believe torture of detainees is wrong only because it fails to produce valuable intelligence? If they believe so, a moral weakness is exposed. But morally speaking, the worst are those like Bush and Trump who believe torture of detainees is okay because it does produce valuable intelligence. By their reckoning, the torture of bin Laden’s wife or child would also be justified.
"Until the United States completely revamps our foreign policy and ends the wars, occupations, and harsh treatment of people in U.S. custody, we will continue to be vulnerable to terrorism."
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So true!
And, conversely, since it's an article of faith that the Amerikan Imperium remains permanently vulnerable to terrorism-- a "given" mutually reinforced by government institutions, the corporate mass-media commentariat, and a complacent, fearful, unreflective public as common sense and received wisdom, and summed up in the pregnant cliché "9/11 Changed Everything"-- the Amerikan government isn't about to completely revamp its foreign policy and ends its wars, occupations, and harsh treatment of people in its custody.
And the beat goes on.
torture is not legal, neither is the murder of unarmed suspects.
" Interrogators agree that torture is not efficacious to glean intelligence. Glenn L. Carle, who supervised the 2002 interrogation of a high-level detainee for the CIA, told The New York Times that coercive techniques “didn’t provide useful, meaningful, trustworthy information.” "
This is not new or strange info.
So...why do you suppose they used torture/system of disappearances, etc, anyway?
snydly, An important question. First, there has to be a lack of sensitivity or awareness of the moral prohibition against torture of detainees. The law against such torture thereby becomes a "technicality," which, as we all know, means that using it to prevent such torture is viewed as standing in the way of justice. Second, there has to be a belief, as expressed ad nauseum by Bush and Chaney, that such torture works. Third, there has to be belief in a form of "exceptionalism" whereby our nation has prerogatives denied to nations deemed inferior to ours.
The important point is that results are unimportant. How many infants would you toss off a cliff to force someone to tell the location of a potential terrorist? How many rapes would you commit? How many would you force into cannibalism?
There are things that can't be done in a civil society just because it might work.
Well done Marjorie.
Evidence gathered from torture is inadmissible in a court of law which is the primary why Guantanamo prisoners can't be tried in US courts.
Torture is illegal but if those charged with prosecuting it refuse to do so, then it may as well be legal.
As a war crime, it has no statute of limitations and may be prosecuted anywhere at anytime by anyone.
cadawa, you're right, but don't forget the moral/legal distinction. Torture is morally wrong no matter whether anyone does anything to stop it, or punish it, under law or otherwise.
This torture of detainees issue should be the great litmus test in coming elections. Progressives should insist on blanket, unreserved opposition to torture because it's immoral. Anyone not willing to subscribe to that, in my opinion, doesn't deserve our trust, or vote.
Perhaps John Yoo should experience a little of the water boarding he defends?
And this sweetheart is a Professor now at Berkeley.
CA is paying this pond scum to spread his poison at a time when its entire system of education is in peril?