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Justice or Vengeance?
In the midst of the Arab Spring, which directly rejects al-Qaeda-style small-group violence in favor of mass-based, society-wide mobilization and non-violent protest to challenge dictatorship and corruption, does the killing of Osama bin Laden represent ultimate justice, or even an end to the "unfinished business" of 9/11?
AMMAN, Jordan — U.S. agents killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, apparently without cooperation from the government in Islamabad. The al-Qaeda leader was responsible for great suffering; I do not mourn his death. But every action has causes and consequences, and in the current moment all are dangerous. It's unlikely that bin Laden's killing will have much impact on the already weakened capacity of al-Qaeda, which is widely believed to be made up of only a couple hundred fighters between Afghanistan and Pakistan — though its effect on other terrorist forces is uncertain. Pakistan itself may pay a particularly high price.
As President Barack Obama described it, "After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden." Assuming that was indeed the case, this raid reflects the brutal reality of the deadly wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that preceded it and that continue today, 10 years later — it wasn't about bringing anyone to justice, it was about vengeance.
And given the enormous human costs still being paid by Afghans, Iraqis, Pakistanis, and others in the U.S. wars waged in the name of capturing bin Laden, it's particularly ironic that in the end it wasn't the shock-and-awe airstrikes or invasions of ground troops, but rather painstaking police work — careful investigation, cultivating intelligence sources — that made possible the realization of that goal.
President Obama acknowledged that the post-9/11 unity of the people of the United States "has at times frayed." But he didn't mention that that unity had actually collapsed completely within 24 hours of the horrifying attacks on the twin towers. September 11, 2001 didn't "change the world;" the world was changed on September 12, when George W. Bush announced his intention to take the world to war in response. That was the moment that the actual events of 9/11, a crime against humanity that killed nearly 3,000 people, were left behind and the "global war on terror" began. That GWOT war has brought years of war, devastation and destruction to hundreds of thousands around the world, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and beyond.
There was an unprecedented surge of unity, of human solidarity, in response to the crime of 9/11. In the United States much of that response immediately took on a jingoistic and xenophobic frame (some of which showed up again last night in the aggressive chants of "USA, USA!!" from flag-waving, cheering crowds outside the White House following President Obama's speech). Some of it was overtly militaristic, racist and Islamophobic. But some really did reflect a level of human unity unexpected and rare in U.S. history. Even internationally, solidarity with the U.S. people for a brief moment replaced the well-deserved global anger at U.S. arrogance, wars, and drive towards empire. In France, headlines proclaimed "nous sommes tous Américaines maintenant." We are all Americans now.
But that human solidarity was short-lived. It was destroyed by the illegal wars that shaped the U.S. response to the 9/11 crime. Those wars quickly created numbers of victims far surpassing the 3,000 killed on September 11. The lives of millions more around the world were transformed in the face of U.S. aggression — in Pakistan alone, where a U.S. military team assassinated bin Laden, thousands of people have been killed and maimed by U.S. drone strikes and the suicide bombs that are part of the continuing legacy of the U.S. war.
These wars have brought too much death and destruction. Too many people have died and too many children have been orphaned for the United States to claim, as President Obama's triumphantly did, that "justice has been done" because one man, however symbolically important, has been killed. However one calculates when and how "this fight" actually began, the U.S. government chose how to respond to 9/11. And that response, from the beginning, was one of war and vengeance — not of justice.
The president's speech last night could have aimed to put an end to the triumphalism of the "global war on terror" that George W. Bush began and Barack Obama claimed as his own. It could have announced a new U.S. foreign policy based on justice, equality, and respect for other nations. But it did not. It declared instead that the U.S. war in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and beyond will continue.
In that reaffirmation of war, President Obama reasserted the American exceptionalism that has been a hallmark of his recent speeches, claiming that "America can do whatever we set our mind to." He equated the U.S. ability and willingness to continue waging ferocious wars, with earlier accomplishments of the U.S. — including, without any trace of irony, the "struggle for equality for all our citizens." In President Obama's iteration, the Global War on Terror apparently equals the anti-slavery and civil rights movements.
Today, the Arab Spring is on the rise across the Middle East and North Africa. It's ineffably sad that President Obama, in his claim that bin Laden's death means justice, didn't use the opportunity to announce the end of the deadly U.S. wars that answered the attacks of 9/11. This could have been a moment to replace vengeance with cooperation, replace war with justice.
But it was not. Regardless of bin Laden's death, as long as those deadly U.S. wars continue in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and beyond, justice has not been done.
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Show AllAND "Disaster Capitalism" . . . SOS . . . aka NeoFeudalism.
As Bill Moyers put it (paraphrase) . . . the PTB are terrified that the masses sweating it out in the fields will wake up one day and look at the plantation master's house and say "This is not the product of Intelligent Design."
Ex President Jimmy Carter has more credibility than Obama. You cannot believe anything that this current administration says. I believe if Jimmy Carter has come into office after Bush, I believe he would have sought war crimes charges against all involved in this 911 self induced terrorism.
Right. People like you have so much more fun censoring the shit out of comments at Huffpo that it gives you the heeby jeebies to see free expression deviating from the government PR not immediately disappeared.
And I know it gets old using the "take your meds" statement to marginalize and/or ridicule straightforward logic and commentary. So I guess you are left with the "off the wall" rhetoric claim.
Tough shit, pal.
What's the deal with his being "buried at sea"? They tossed the body? He "sleeps with the fishes" now? We're like the mafia.
Why not arrest Bin Ladin and put him on trial ?
In all the coverage not one mention of the thousands of innocents killed in our drone attacks in Pakistan and the anger it has caused, or the evident truth that "it wasn't the shock-and-awe airstrikes or invasions of ground troops, but rather painstaking police work — careful investigation, cultivating intelligence sources — that made possible the realization of that goal." No mention either of the blowback bound to occur because of our hamhanded and bullying presence. What makes the terrorists so despicable--isn't it the killing of innocents.
Instead of sober reflection on the limits of nuclear power, the reflexive chanting USA, USA--like it were an event at the Olympics. Only in a nation as arrogant as ours could this be the dominant reaction.
Using the drones in Pakistan is just weapons testing. Hundred/thousands killed for weapons testing and OBL builds a house in plain site, and is not hiding in a cave? It took 10 years for MI, military intelligence, to figure this out and despite the facts that 10 years of MI is praised for it assassination of an unarmed man who wasn't even hiding. Something is wrong with this picture and spending $3,000,000,000,000 including interest to find one man should raise suspicions about the competency of our dysfunctional government.
I keep thinking of the women and especially the children in the compound who witnessed murder and bloodshed and how terribly emotionally damaged they may very well be for the rest of their lives as a result of this. I STILL don't understand why the US, if they want to take someone without people getting hurt, don't figure out how to get sleeping gas into a building's ventilation system. Osama bin Laden should have been taken alive as a war criminal, and put on trial.
War by it's very nature is cruel and brutal and no such measures were allowed on 9-11.
This enemy wants only one thing and that's you being dead.Sorry.
I feel sorry for you.
Thank you for demonstrating exactly the right wing gunslinger mentality.
I know it's beyond you to imagine the suffering that the US has inflicted on the world. So try to keep that in mind if (when) your home is reduced to a pile of splinters by a CIA piloted drone.
and you as well.
Ignorance must be bliss for you.
Good luck with your blissful theories, at least your blogging with like minds, which can be comforting in a pitiful way.
duplicate
LOL, well I am sure you have your Elvis theories as well. Have a good night.
Dave the BS man,
So now the ridicule and marginalization technique is reduced to Elvis comparisons?
You are really pathetic.
Happy isotopes in your Dimona hideaway, pal.
ur all a buncha whining, stupid biatches!!! thanks for the laughs a$$holes
That trollpost earned you, what, a nickel?
Take a hike, bit trash.
If it was actually bin Laden, of which we have no evidence that will verify that conjecture, it was an extra judicial assassination. Given Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, I guess we should expect nothing else.
God bless the United States of America
Can't be justice, becasue they never have even TRIED to prove that Osama was responsible for 9/11....just the word of a few heavily tortured indivduals.
Thei was just more Murder American Style.
The goal is neither justice nor vengeance. The goal is to remove an enemy that proved very capable of killing Americans, and still was capable and dedicated to the destruction of non Islamic civilization. Al Qaeda is still a potent threat. We must continue our program of the destructrion of terrorism in the world.
No: our program was always one of spreading terror--first across this land and now across the globe. High time THIS program stops.
Kudos to all your remarks on the thread here and brava! on the poem, again :-)
thepuffin asks:
"What would an acceptable number of innocent child deaths be?"
Answer: 500,000 is okay according to former Sec. of State Madeleine Albright.
Meanwhile the style of the alleged death of Osama bin Laden reminds one of the death of Che. From wikipedia:
"Guevara left Cuba in 1965 to foment revolution abroad, first unsuccessfully in Congo-Kinshasa and later in Bolivia, where he was captured by CIA-assisted Bolivian forces and executed."
Actually, the wording should be "summarily executed" in the jungle where he was caught. The term "executed" implies some prior judicial intervention, however specious.
A trial? We don't want no friggin trial.
As for the "spontaneous" crowds showing up at D.C. and Ground Zero or where-ever, chanting "USA, USA" etc., the Obama Administration had months of planning in this event. Free beer for everybody who shows up and yells. It would have been journalism if the Media had made a serious effort to obtain something like an actual percentage of the revelers who suffered a personal loss as a consequence of 9/11. My guess is, nearly nil.
Patriotism: the last refuge of scoundrels.
We've come a long way from Nuremburg.
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"As for the "spontaneous" crowds showing up at D.C. and Ground Zero or where-ever, chanting "USA, USA" etc.,..."--by OleManRiver
my first thought the morning after when i learned of these spontaneous patriotic demonstrations all across the u.s.a., "do they have a permit to gather in such numbers, especially those so threateningly close to the white house?"
i mean smaller groups of demonstrators promoting PEACE and sanity find themselves dragged off to jail.
why?
well, true these veterans and friends present no danger. they mean no harm...but...it's...well... we, the political leaders, just don't know what dangerous radicals might infiltrate such a gathering.
Just one more thing for mankind to be ashamed of. Killing bin Ladin is no more important than the killing of the 3,600 American on 9-11 or the 650,000 children in Iraq that Clinton killed or the thousand or so that Israel killed in Gaza. No more and NO LESS important is one over the other. I'm ashamed of every useless and wasted death.
What should we have done or be doing instead of being in other countries waging war? I surely don't know the answer, but I have grown weary of endless articles criticizing our policies- with no answers of their own.
It is a truth to me that we are human and will make mistakes. I have seen the atrocities committed in other countries and I believe some of it is cause for intervention.
It isn't something I celebrate, yet I feel is necessary. The alternative to me is worse. At least we are attempting to do something.
Unfortunately our society is not set up to have our most intelligent people from all fields of endeavor as our leaders, and from what I can tell, neither or other countries.
I think often times elections are won by money and who shouts the loudest.
And then we expect them to govern in moral and ethical manner, when we have asked for no evidence that they are ethical or moral. Or even particularity intelligent.
To me what needs to change is the eligibility of people who can run for office.
Plain and simple
Did anyone happen to notice that in his speech to the nation that Obama actually admitted to the world that the US had committed an act of war against the Pakistani people? Not a real smart thing for a supposed constitutional law professor to do!
Justice or "JUST US"???
Obama or Osama?
My email spell checker doesn't recognize "Obama" without "help" and thinks it should be spelled Osama! LMBO!
Obama is just a puppet, a figurehead, a MASK.
After the GWB (Global War Bully) MASK, the PTB figured an ELOQUENT figurehead was needed, along with the DISTRACTION of a half-black to "prove" there IS "Democracy". The ELOQUENCE of BHO and lack of it of GWB is the only REAL dif between GWB and BHO that I can see. Two sides of the same coin.
USA Inc is NOT a Democracy.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-circus-clowns-and-sideshow-freaks
Vengeance
Celebrating the death of any*one, simply diminishes the humanity of every*one... Severing the head of the serpent, only spreads it's venom to the countless minds & growing fangs of it's offspring... Victory or justice by the sword, is nothing more than retaliation & vengeance which perpetuates the conflict... Demonizing others for whatever reason, is evils bidding, there is good & evil in all societies which commit atrocities in the name of both... C.H.A.O.S.
To orchard_keeper---
Also notice how quickly they announced DNA evidence confirming it was OsamaBL. My local sheriff's department can't even do fingerprinting!
Even on CSI and NCIS it takes about a week to do a DNA test.
Also, against what earlier sample was the test done?
Does "our" military have an instant DNA Field Test?
Shoot first, then check his DNA!
There is historical reason for raising such issues, given that several "controversial" people who feared for their life had paid stand-ins.
Osama: A Myth in his own time. He was 8 feet tall and stood out in a crowd and thus had a hard time hiding. Had he been Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels---a much more dangerous person who is probably no taller than Dennis Kucinich---almost nobody would recognize him at the local carryout. Unlike American politicians he preened in a mirror, dyed his hair, and watched TV images of himself (NPR 5/7/11). His behavior was "narcissistic," so that even as he hid from the world he issued electronic and written messages that were carried by others.
In the interval, Al Jazeera, whose reporters were targeted by the U.S. for killing and were killed, has finally been recognized by most Western "journalists" as a legitimate and brave truthteller, at least by comparison with the Fawning Corporate Media.
The immediate gratification of killing bin Laden, if that is what occurred, will be shown historically as another huge error, as was the execution of Saddam Hussein after a mockery of a trial that the Iraqi Sunnis will never forget.
Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord. It appears we have vengeful President, yet in keeping with his recent predecessors.
If the Powers That Be have a legitimate case against an organized opponent, then they have an obligation to preserve the Person and the Memory and the Records of said Opponent with Recourse through the International Legal System that grew out of the first half of the 20th Century. (Thank you, Eleanor Roosevelt!)
The latest "news" is that Osama was unarmed, while the likes of David Brooks of the NYTimes says the killing was "justified." (NPR, Friday 5/6/11)
Cheap cop-out. Are we a Nation of Laws, or of Men (and, lately, women)?
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