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Obama's Fatal Corporate Addiction
If it had been revealed that Jeffrey Immelt once hired an undocumented nanny, or defaulted on his mortgage, he would be forced to resign as head of President Barack Obama’s “Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.” But the fact that General Electric, where Immelt is CEO, didn’t pay taxes on its $14.5 billion profit last year—and indeed is asking for a $3.2 billion tax rebate—has not produced a word of criticism from the president, who in January praised Immelt as a business leader who “understands what it takes for America to compete in the global economy.”
AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite President Barack Obama applauds GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt, right, before speaking to workers at the GE plant in Schenectady, NY on Jan. 21.
What it takes, evidently, is shifting profit and jobs abroad: Only one out of three GE workers is now based in the U.S., and almost two-thirds of the company’s profit is sheltered in its foreign operations. Thanks to changes in the tax law engineered when another avowedly pro-business Democrat, Bill Clinton, was president, U.S. multinational financial companies can avoid taxes on their international scams. And financial scams are what GE excelled in for decades, when GE Capital, its financial unit, which specialized in credit card, consumer loan and housing mortgage debt, accounted for most of GE’s profits.
That’s right, GE, along with General Motors with its toxic GMAC financial unit, came to look more like an investment bank than a traditional industrial manufacturing giant that once propelled this economy and ultimately it ran into the same sort of difficulties as the Wall Street hustlers. As The New York Times’ David Kocieniewski, who broke the GE profit story, put it: “Because its lending division, GE Capital, has provided more than half of the company’s profit in some recent years, many Wall Street analysts view G.E. not as a manufacturer but as an unregulated lender that also makes dishwashers and M.R.I. machines.”
Maximizing corporate profits at the taxpayer’s expense is what top CEOs are good at, and after all it was Immelt who presided over GE when it got so heavily into the subprime mortgage business that it needed a government bailout to avoid bankruptcy. This was before Obama made him a trusted adviser.
Back at the end of 2008, Bloomberg reported that the U.S. government had agreed to insure an additional $139 billion in GE Capital’s debt holdings, the second such intervention within a month, adding, “The company’s exposure to the deepest financial crisis since the 1930s has cut its market value by more than half this year.” A Washington Post exposé titled “How a Loophole Benefits GE in Bank Rescue” documented the power of Immelt’s lobbying operation in Washington. GE was not initially deemed eligible for the debt guarantee program offered to failing banks, “but regulators soon loosened the eligibility requirements, in part because of behind-the scenes appeals from GE.” And it worked; as the Post reported, “The government’s actions have been `powerful and helpful’ to the company, GE chief executive Jeffrey Immelt acknowledged.” For the next two years, GE would still report enormous profits without paying taxes, adding insult to the injury that financial shenanigans had inflicted on ordinary taxpayers who bailed the company out.
On Feb. 6, 2009, Immelt sent a contrite annual letter to GE shareholders, admitting, “Our Company’s reputation was tarnished because we weren’t the ‘safe and reliable’ growth company that is our aspiration.” While conceding his own culpability in GE’s downturn, Immelt predicted a rosy future: “I accept responsibility for this. But, I think the environment presents an opportunity of a lifetime.”
Not, obviously, for the 50 million Americans who have either lost their homes or are deeply underwater in a housing market that is still in steep decline thanks to the lending practices of companies like GE Capital. Nope, the good times are in the offing only for corporations that know how to make the U.S. government a partner in their scams. As Immelt stated blatantly: “The global economy, and capitalism, will be `reset’ in several important ways. The interaction between government and business will change forever. In a reset economy, the government will be a regulator; and also an industry policy champion, a financier, and a key partner.”
That’s the essential blueprint for Obama’s restructuring of the economy, as the president put it in selecting Immelt to replace Paul Volcker as head of his outside team of economic advisers. Volcker had become increasingly critical of the corporate high rollers. Obama, although noting the suffering of ordinary Americans, clearly believes that such populism is now beside the point. As the president put it in announcing Immelt’s appointment on Jan. 20, 2011: “The past two years was about moving our economy back from the brink. Our job now is putting our economy into overdrive.”
But overdrive, with CEOs like Immelt shifting the gears, is what brought us so close to the brink. Once again Obama seems fatally addicted to the notion that the heavy hitters who got us into this mess are the very folks to be trusted to get us out of it. What he seems incapable of grasping is that while they are personally very good at avoiding the precipice, the rest of us are hardly passengers in their limos.
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Show AllMaybe it's time for Americans to emigrate and leave the USA to new immigrants. Here in China, things are booming - and personally, I have no problem with the government - either here or in America.
I'm sure that is a great relief to China.
Trylon
Trylon,
I have been to China often for business and pleasure. To migrate there, even if you pay me, I will never do it. It's an attractive place as tourist or as an expatriate, but, to migrate there No, No. You can never predict what will happen the next day.
There are no tourists here where I currently live.
Good man, Dizi! Why worry? Government censorship, mass murder of Tianamen Sq. protesters, slave labor factories (China)... Endless wars, fascist Gov/Business collaboration, destruction of habeus corpus, impoverishment of the middle class (USA). Global environmental assault (Both)? ...Just take some Soma! After all, "a gram is better than a damn". And besides, "everyone is happy nowadays" [repeat 14,000 times between the ages of 8 and 12]. "We have met the enemy and he is Us", (Pogo)
rudy, 'dizi' seems like a perfect name for this dizzy ditz.
The only problem is that the national intelligence/security state (ie the 'Empire') in instituting their new internet troll program has obviously not yet figured out that they should be training their trolls to use names like 'progressive dem' or 'friend of the people', rather than names like 'dizi' that make it so easy for real CDers to spot such phony trolls for what they are.
Best,
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
Liberty over violent empire -- People's Party 2012
PS. BTW, rudy, I love your ending line regarding Pogo's half revealing truth.
The whole truth is "We have met the enemy and they is Empire".
So perplexed to read your comment - sounds a lot like George Bush, Cheney et al calling other people "thugs". Don't be shy, if you think I am a troll, just say so.
Obviously, you've never seen my other posts.
Anyway, I express my opinions here, and I try not to condemn others for doing the same, but some people seem to really enjoy trying to berate others, to make an 'informed' conclusion over a few written words.
I would explain my user name "Dizi", but since you have pre-judged me, it would do no good.
Peace to you and I hope you can find the happiness I have found, it is wonderful, blissful and a joy to live this way. Good luck to you! From what I read, Maine has some bad politics right now.
If you think I am a phony, well.......... I thought George Bush was a little "slow", also. Seems the Bush family has a place in Maine, maybe some genetic mixing in your DNA???????
Well, since you asked.....
You are definitely a troll.
As you are so very happy , and ignorance ,as they say, is bliss, with everyone and everything why the heck are you here? You express no particular depth, no reasons for your satisfaction with the environmental disaster that is China currently, with the lack of human rights or justice or even common sense that is both nation's pell mell rush to extinction and slavery.
Of course you are a troll, or perhaps, in all kindness, you are simply one ignorant fool. My own opinion, you don't live anywhere near China, or maybe you count the dishes.....
doubledee,
Unless I am a fool, I can see Dizi points. Like him I had worked and travel to many countries, not as much as he has. Nevertheless I do understand what he's talking about. The World has change and keep on changing faster than you and I can comprehend. Therefore, we need to have an open mind. Yesterday, China a backward Country, using massive human, building roads, dams and so forth. Today she is our main creditor. Just a few days’ Guardian and BBC reported China soon to be in the forefront in research papers presentation.
Expect the unexpected and I keep my mind open, but for now China, No, No. She is following the same footstep, the greed that destroy us will too be China nightmare.
Thanks sivasm! Seems to me that many are jealous and/or envious that I have figured out a great secret of a good life. I'm a puny nobody, unable to change things on a "large scale" so I choose to try and make those around me happier, healthier and generally better off.
China has many problems, as does America, but go to Central Africa - there you can see true governmental problems that affect the majority of the people. Americans and Chinese both live pretty good - plenty of food, plenty of personal options.
Some of the people that comment here on CD just like to make snide, smart-ass remarks and never try to understand what others are trying to say.
I believe in one world, one people - not in any government, for I cannot find a government that suits me.
Once again, THANKS, from a tree-hugging anarchist, renaissance redneck that's been all over the world and parts of Vermont.
"I believe in one world, one people - not in any government, for I cannot find a government that suits me."
Huh???
"I have no problem with the government - either here or in America." - Dizi
That's right, they do not suit me, I have no problem with them. As a man, there are many women who do not suit me, therefore I have no problem with any of them. Do you understand?
I have no clue as to why you sidestep the real criticism of this ditz. My objection to one who expresses no clue as to reality stands. This is his initial comment:
"Here in China, things are booming - and personally, I have no problem with the government - either here or in America."
So, Sivasm, I would not call you a fool, as you post with honesty I think. But I wonder if indeed you have no quarrel with this statement and why........Further I doubt seriously , and this is only my own inner red light at work, that this ditz has been anywhere near China. Troll I called him and troll he remains, to me at least.
Well, doubledee, what do I have to do to convince you I am sitting in China at this very moment? It's Friday night, almost 9PM, probably Friday morning where you are. If you think I am a troll, then I am convinced you are very ignorant of my status. So it is in the cyber world.
I have lived and worked on every continent except Antarctica. I've really enjoyed every place I've ever been except Australia, and IMHO, that was because of the management of the project that employed me. I left, some people got fired, my company kept me on the payroll until a year or so later when I went to Cameroon. Check out IDA-Africa, just some people I happened to meet there. Check out the PACE factory in HeShan, Jiangmen district China, saw them trying to recruit workers today down the street from my apartment.
If you resent the fact that I am happy and help others less fortunate than myself, then that is your choice. I do not think government or religion will cure the world of people like yourself. I believe in being 'local', being as nice and kind and helpful where ever I am - be it America, China or the website Common Dreams. I've asked you and others to offer your solutions, but all I've received are smart-ass remarks, and I will say it again, IMHO, the biggest problem in the world today - arrogant people who gripe and complain wiothout ever offering anything positive.
Peace, dude or dudette, peace and may your life be better or not so bad, whichever applies.
What I resent is the way you ignore suffering, injustice and inequality in your rose colored view of the world. You are simply a jackwagon sans a clue. Better you go back to your own unique sty and wallow in your own version of paradise while others do your work for you.
doubledee, whatever has happened to you, I sincerely hope you get over it. You seem very unhappy to me. I know there is suffering, injustice and inequality - I have been a beneficiary of it in the past. Thank goodness, it did not defeat me. If anything, it strengthened me to become a better person, a happier, more helpful person. Like I wrote earlier, both Americans and Chinese have it pretty good compared to those I've seen in many places in Africa.
I am in paradise, had some visitors tonight, ate a good supper, still drinking cold beer. The (Chinese) wife is happy, all of her relatives are happy (as far as I know), my mother is happy, though I have some relatives that feel and speak as you do - but they are Americans who say in one breath that "the USA is the greatest country in the world" and in another breath, "things here are screwed-up". It baffles me.
I work hard, very hard. I sacrifice, whether you believe it or not. After Katrina, so many people were amazed at my attitude, though I had no electricity for two months. To those that know me, know of my travels and my life, I made this statement about my life after Katrina - "It's like vacationing in no-where South America or Africa." I know how to survive, how to be happy. I know there are many evils in this world, but I don't work to increase the evils, I work to increase the happiness. I do view the world as 'rose colored', I'm sick of seeing the shit. I see northern Japan right now, and feel helpless. I see Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya - I feel helpless. But, right here in HeShan, Guangdong, China, I do not feel helpless. I feel empowered to be a good person and to show these Chinese people that not all Americans are like George Bush, Barrack Obama and doubledee. You fight your wars your way, I will fight mine my way. If you think I live in a sty, I would hate to know how you live, it must be pathetic, judging your life by your comments.
Peace, love and happiness to you. IMHO, it is not good to judge others until you have walked a mile or 1.6 kms in their shoes.
Read up on America's moves on child labor: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/30/maine-gop-legislators-loo_n_842563.html
So...??? And what do you propose to end these practices? Is there a government anywhere on Earth that is not "corrupt"?
In the past, I, too, used the "We have met the enemy and they is us" - did you steal that line from me or Pogo?
I'm just saying that in my life, I have found a happiness that is hard to explain. Living in a Katrina devastated area in 2005 did not bring me down. Many volunteers from other areas often wondered and marveled at my happiness and joy as we helped so many people less fortunate and/or prepared than I.
I am happy in life. Is this world perfect? NO! HELL NO! What am I trying to do about it? To be as friendly and nice to whoever I meet, where ever I meet them. Here where I live presently, so many people go out of their way to say 'hello' to me, to wave at me, just acknowledge my presence and it is because I made the initial effort to do the same.
I disagree with war and many other things in life, but I feel powerless to change things on a large scale, so I do what I can do to make my life and the people around me a little happier. I do feel like I am making a difference.
So condemn me if you wish, it is your choice. Gripe, complain, spread hate, it is your choice - you are not going to make me change, nor are you making me any unhappier.
There are some drugs I wish I had, but Soma ain't one of them, I prefer the natural stuff.
Sorry if you are unhappy or if your life situation is in an unlucky phase. I've been there, done that - but, for some unknown reason, I have become content with my 'lot in life'. I'm not a Christian, but I love the book of Ecclesiastes in the Old Testament and the parables and teachings of Jesus. Great philosophies, IMHO.
I have met the enemy, and it ain't me, babe, oh oh oh, it ain't me....
As the slogan of the great Alfred E. Neuman goes: "What me worry?"
Mr Neuman seems much happier than most posters here on CD. What other purpose is there in life, other than "to be a good person and to be happy"?
That you have to ask this question makes you so freaking reprehensible as to be beyond belief.
"personally, I have no problem with the government - either here or in America."
That says a whole lot.
And I stand by my words. Worrying in the past got me nowhere. In 1989, when the US government arrested me for smuggling drugs - using the styptic powder in my shaving kit as an excuse - they took everything I had, except the clothes on my back, the license plate from my car and driver's license, because the license plate and DL belonged to the state which I lived and they couldn't legally seize them.
I worried then, lost my job, had many people turn their backs to me because as they said, "Why would they arrest you if you were innocent?"
Other comments about Tibet...why not advocate for the liberation of Alaska and Hawaii, or as far as it goes the other 48 states? None of the native people there asked to be occupied. Do some research on Tibet and see how many Native Tibetans want to throw the Chinese out.
I have been all over the world and have discovered that it is best to make some friends and try to enjoy life. I've done it in Algeria, Egypt, Cameroon, Venezuela, Bolivia, England, the USA and now in China. Worrying about the government only caused discontent, so I gave up. If you don't like it, then at least give me the freedom to believe as I wish, THE FREEDOM AS I WISH!
What's wrong with being happy?
Nothing wrong in being happy, plenty wrong with not having a problem with the government... if the price of being happy is turning into a content stool think I´ll pass. Maybe you didnt express yourself right or wait I dont really care, damn wonder why I waste my time, you have given up but did you ever fought?. Just chill, move over and enjoy the show... no need to post inane babble here dude.
Read my earlier posts - at one time I had lots of problems trying to worry about the government, wrote so many letters to my congressman and senators that for a while I was unable to renew a passport. Was illegally arrested and jailed, though never charged with a crime. Had my car and money taken from me. The US Gov wrote GMAC, where my car was financed, a letter stating the car had been seized for smuggling drugs. Later, when at my own expense, I proved my innocence, do you think anyone ever said "I'm sorry" or wrote GMAC a letter admitting a mistake?
I would wager that you and just about every poster on CD is a descendent of an emigrate/immigrant. My original post just tried to point-out that FACT! My ancestors, except one that I know of, were all from Europe, not North America.
Gosh, if you think my posts are "inane", so be it. I donate to CD, so I feel I have the right to post here.
Seems to me the 'responses to my original post' is the biggest problem in the world today - everyone likes to be a smart-ass condemner and offer no positive solutions. Like I wrote earlier, I try to make my small niche in this world a better, happier place by being kind, friendly and helpful to others. It's the only way I have discovered to make my life and the life of those around me happier.
You seem to be on some sort of cocktail of antidepressants, plus maybe a bit too high a dosing of Lithium.
No drugs, maybe a beer or four every now and then. Why do the people who comment here think it is impossible to be a happy and helpful person?
It is my belief that if change is needed - and I do think change is needed - that it is best to start at a grassroots level. Makes no difference if it's in China, America, North Africa or South America, where ever I go, I try to get to know people and I try to make a positive impression. I have decided that neither government nor religion is the method, but a personal desire to be good, do good - to do unto others as I would have them do unto me.
So Sabo Cat, you have joined the other smart-asses in trying to do something other than make this world a better place. Seems a lot of the people who have responded to my initial comment know nothing more than being rude and like I've written elsewhere that is the biggest problem in the world, IMHO. Smart-asses with nothing positive to offer the world. I would feel sorry for all of you, but I don't. I hope one day our paths will cross and you, too, can experience a better life, or if your life is not now good, at least a not so bad life.
What is "Lithium"? I know I use Lithium batteries in my digital camera sometimes. Are you suggesting that I eat batteries or something?
What does it matter that im a descendant of immigrants?
Yes if you donate you have a right to post I can agree with that, altough posting that you "have no problem with the government - either here or in America" was a sure way to get many people angry, myself included altough I disagree wholeheartedly with that stance I do accept your right to be content or "happy".
"I try to make my small niche in this world a better, happier place by being kind, friendly and helpful to others. It's the only way I have discovered to make my life and the life of those around me happier."
That seems good, I think its a healthy mindset I try to do the same as I believe that change will come from "the people" and not the government wich has been globally corrupted at all levels (especially those way up top).
What I do to make this world a better place is grow as a person informing myself about a whole range of different issues, with the knowledge comes the responsability to improve the way I act as a human being towards the nature and society. I discuss my point of view with others and try to learn as much as I can from them (sometimes im even able to teach a bit), My consciousness is still developing and I strive towards positive change as difficult as sometimes it is.
Do keep in mind that posters respondend against the perception of your conformism, having "no problem with the government - either here or in America" is "bad" (to say the least), the governments of China and the usa are extremely negative forces towards the well being of BILLIONS of human beings, we are in the midst of a ecological catastrophe that is marking the extinction of several species and will mean hunger and misery for countless.
What does this has to do with China and the usa governments? as the first and second world economies and most powerful countries what they do or dont do affects us all. The people who rule them are selfish, callous and short-sighted devils who serve Mammon, these governments are EVIL and part of a system that will generate untold suffering for present and future generations, as much as I agree with respecting others opinions when I read or hear someone say they "are ok with it" it makes me angry.
So you see having "no problem" with them makes YOU part of the problem, because people world wide need to wake up and FIGHT against the status quo, change will come ONLY trough resistance and revolt towards the powers that be. Its either that or extinction, you do have a problem with that dont you? what about war? wage slavery? torture? ravaging entire ecosystems? torture? "collateral damage"? Iraq? Afghanistan? Vietnam? Hiroshima? I could go on and on but im sure you get my drift.
I hope I managed "to be a little bit intelligent or at least understandable."
Peace.
A very good, mature reply. I still feel that because I do not care about the governments - well, that does not make me part of the problem anymore than anyone else is part of the problem. I have to pay taxes to support many things I do not wish to fund - wars, agriculture subsidies, etc.
So much in this life is based on perception. When living in another country, totally immersed, one gets to see how the people think. I've said before and will say again - IMHO, a much greater percentage of people in China are content with their government as opposed to the USA. There is more 'freedom' here than in the USA. Just don't demonstrate against the PTB or use illegal drugs openly. Otherwise, just about anything goes here. Both prostitution and gambling are illegal here, but both operate rather openly. Want to start a business, put up a stand on a sidewalk or in the street, no problem. Want to drive on a sidewalk and walk in the streets - no problemo.
Like the old song -'I fought the law and the law won' - that has been my experience. So, I had to adopt a new mindset, one that freed me from the "thought that I as an individual, can make a difference in government and/or religion". Now, my new mindset is "I can make a difference, but I must live within the corruptness of government and the hypocrisy of religion". I am unable to participate in either.
I've read the Book of Ecclesiastes several times in my life, it describes our present day world and I think it was compiled over 2500 years ago. I've read God Bless You Mr. Rosewater several times, written maybe 40 years ago, and I now aspire to be Eliot Rosewater without the "money". Both are easy to read and can be read in just a couple of hours. I, also, like the Sermon on the Mount and the parables of Jesus. I do not have to believe in Solomon, Eliot Rosewater or Jesus to get some redeeming values from their lives.
I will leave government to Bush, Obama, the Communist Party of China et al. I'm like Arlo Guthrie when he asks, "you want to know if I'm moral enough..."
So, if I am part of the problem, then it is my belief that anyone who pays taxes or takes any benefit from a government has to be part of the problem, also. I'm just trying to make my life and the people around me have a 'better life', more smiles in their daily routines, sounder sleep, sweeter dreams. I have been lucky - I could have been born in a war zone or into poverty unknown to most Americans. If I am part of the problem, I am doing all I know to do to find a solution, the only method I have discovered to make a positive change. I'm almost 55 years old. When in America, I still live around my hometown and associate with people I've known since childhood. My core group of friend there are much like myself - we ain't got no money, but we damn sure got it made. A lot of my old friends are unhappy, gripe and complain a lot. They will visit my good friends and myself and comment on "how we have it made". But, then they go back to their lives, never trying to live as we do - in peace, happiness and love.
A lot of people call me crazy, I prefer un-sane.
Once again, I really do appreciate your reply. Now, let's hope for a better world!
Such a wonderful sense of irony! Or, an utterly and pathetically deluded person.
Not "pathetically deluded person" but peaceful, happy deluded person.
Do good towards others, bless your enemies, praise those that curse you.....and always beware the yellow snow and other bodily wastes others try to smear onto you.
If I'm deluded, so be it, many others delight in my delusion.
Wait, the tax law requires all individuals to report and pay taxes on WORLD WIDE INCOME but not corporations like G.E.. Didn't SCOTUS rule that corps were "persons", oh. just for swaying elections but not for paying taxes on billions. "personhood" is conviently forgotten. The hypocrisy of tax laws matches the militaristic hubris of invading countries based on the lies of the former white house scoundrel.
I eagerly await responses from the following posters. Tell me your solutions. Tell me what you are doing to make this world a better place. PLEASE.
Or, prove to me that you are useless big-talkers, as full of crap as the average politician, warmonger or bully.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I truly would like to know what other options I have to make this world a better place. Be brave! Speak your mind and try to be a little bit intelligent or at least understandable.
Here are the posters I want to hear from: Trylon, rudyspeaks, amacd, doubledee, likeitornot, Tom Joad, Sundome, HUMANO, loopless,
250 years for a black man to get in the White House and what we have is a complete sellout to the white establishment. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King would be ashamed.
Well, they don't call it the "white" house for nothing.
"Well, they don't call it the "white" house for nothing."
Zaaazzziiiiinnnnnggggg! Ouch that comment left a mark! ;-)
Hey everybody this week is my 2 year anniversary of posting here on CD. Look out I am now in my "terrible twos"!
delia_darrow sez: "250 years for a black man to get in the White House and what we have is a complete sellout to the white establishment."
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Ahem.
Half 'black'. I don't think that's the half he's using to perform the duties of his current job.
p.s. - Happy anniversary, Tom!
Oh yeah? And which half were Colin Powell and Condi Rice using when they committed war crimes? Or OJ Simpson when he decapitated two people?
What about Idi Amin Dada?
You don't have to be white, black, yellow or pink to be a criminal.
here's a perplexing question: who is the bigger scum - obama or GE
medmedude, not perplexing to me. I have always despised the backstabbers more than the front stabbers. So Obama gets that prize - unless he has the excuse of being stupid.
What is perplexing is that the majority of the American public is paying more attention to American Idol than who they elect to run this country. This, in spite of the fact that we are in the toilet. I can understand, if not approve, of them not paying attention when they don't personally have any complaints. But now?
i hear ya!
delia_darrow, how true.
Yes, Obama would bring tears to Malcolm and Martin's eyes for the reason of shame.
Ironically, Obama would also bring tears to the eyes of Hitler and Goebbels --- but tears of admiration --- for actually creating in this vastly more sophisticated and successful global corporate/financial/militarist Empire (which the Third Reich Empire never could) as a completely believable TWO-Party "Vichy" facade of faux-democratic government, under the cover of an equally "Vichy" corporatist media.
Scheer actually falls a bit short of revealing the whole horror of the truth.
"Obama's Fatal Addiction Is not only Corporate, but to the entire global corporate/financial/militarist EMPIRE that has guilefully 'captured' and now almost fully controls our former country (and others like the UK, Israel, et al) by hiding behind the facade of its bought and owned TWO-Party "Vichy" sham of faux-democratic government and MSM propaganda.
Obama is now the global Empire's chosen con-artist and slick salesman to the world, as he proved Monday night in his smooth selling of the global Empire's war on the "Gap" countries in a swath of 5000 miles across the "Crescent of Unrest" in N. Africa, the whole Middle East, and to the boarders of India and China --- or as CIA connected "journalist" Bob Woodward said Sunday on the Boeing sponsored GE NBC propaganda network 'show' "Meet the Press":
MR. WOODWARD: “I’m not sure whether it’s unrest, an upheaval, whether these are revolutions. But in a 5,000 mile area from Mauritania to Afghanistan, you have to kind of put all this together. The president has a mammoth management problem."
But Woodward's description of Obama's mammoth problem and giant task is not without a ready solution --- which comes in an already prepared solution from the Empire's national security state war plans and is exactly analogous to the ready made in the 1990's with preemptive plans of PNAC's Perle and Wolfowitz, Bush's National Defense Strategy, and Israel's "Clean Break" --- all of which were preemptive planning for the very limited, point wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
But the plan this time is a much more global and broadly ambitious plan for the Empire to execute nothing short of overall global domination --- for which Bush was not a good enough salesman, but now Obama 'is the cats'.
The plan itself is contained in Thomas Barnett's 2004 Naval War College and hotly read intelligence state book, "The Pentagon's New Map" --- which precisely defines how the "Old Core" (his polite term for the global Empire centered in the US) will use a combination of military hard-power "Leviathan" and soft-power "SysAdmin" to cut a swath all across the 5000 mile sweep from Mauritania in N. Africa to the Indian and Chinese boarders, subsuming all the "Gap" countries --- which just happen to be the "Arab Spring" countries that Obama is now beginning to bomb to insure that "these governments do not use violence against their own people" [LOL irony!]
If this global Empire plan sounds like a much bigger version of the smaller Afghanistan/Iraq warm-up wars (which is all that the ineffective salesman, Bush, could start) --- then you understand why the global Empire so desperately needed and selected the super-salesman, Obama, for this last 'big show'.
Yes, delia, Scheer, and anyone who wants to understand, Obama's Fatal Addiction is to Empire --- of which the corporate label is just one piece.
And, oh, BTW, Obama's Fatal Empire Addiction is mirrored by Empire's Fatal Obama Addiction --- at least until this useful tool gets the fuse lit.
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
Liberty over violent empire -- People's Party 2012
thanks amacd, the worst part's the creep will get NO opposition from the real left next year. It'll be a repetition of the charade we had in 2008 of Republicans vs. Democrats. Like choosing between Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer.
delia_arrow wrote (addressed to amacd):
"thanks amacd, the worst part's the creep will get NO opposition from the real left next year. It'll be a repetition of the charade we had in 2008 of Republicans vs. Democrats. Like choosing between Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer."
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My Question:
So, what do you suppose can be done about that?
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Nothing. The sooner the American Empire collapses, the better it is for the rest of the planet. Less pollution, less genocide & illegal wars for oil, fewer morbidly obese people, fewer serial killers, less horrible music and movies.
So let the Democrats "fight" the Republicans and pretend there's a difference between them. It's only bringing about the end of America faster. Bring it on.
Nothing?
Nothing can be done?
Absolutely nothing can be done?
That’s sort of an exaggeration, don’t you think?
Just a tad bit hyperbolic?
Fewer horrible movies? Less horrible music?
I can stand the horrible movies. I try to avoid them, which is not that hard really.
Horrible music? Well, I have a harder time with that, simply because music is more important to me.
As for the other bad stuff you mention, now you are getting serious.
You seem to assume that a collapse will be a good thing for the working class and that it will be easier after a collapse to control the abuse of power in society than it is today.
The validity of both these assumptions is hardly obvious.
Doing nothing while waiting for the collapse, isn’t really a good idea.
For one thing there are several different collapses that are in progress right now.
The collapse of the American Empire is well under way, but is unlikely to bring about all of the results you claim will be forthcoming, if it brings forth any!
Bring it on?
Sheesh, you and George W. Bush.
Rome, Britain,the USSR, all previous empires collapsed but their working classes remained.
My desire for the US collapse has mostly to do with my desire to see an end to all the genocide that America has been responsible for in the last 60 years, which by the way, has been financed by the American working class with their tax dollars.
Indirectly or not, the US tax payers have been the financiers of all the illegal wars and invasions.
delia_darrow wrote:
“Rome, Britain,the USSR, all previous empires collapsed but their working classes remained.
My desire for the US collapse has mostly to do with my desire to see an end to all the genocide that America has been responsible for in the last 60 years, . . . .”
My Reply:
Yes. The working class will remain when the United States empire collapses too.
But the collapse of the United States empire will not necessarily bring about democracy. Federal and state governments may still implement and enforce exploitative policy both domestically and, in the case of the federal government, abroad. Exploitation of the working class, at least in the United States, may actually even intensify. The United States federal government, its military, the U.S. economy, and U.S. based corporations most likely will still be powerful enough to continue the exploitation workers domestically and abroad and the launching of illegal wars and invasions
So, perhaps it would be a good idea to ask what you mean by the collapse of the United States empire.
Ok. What do you mean by the collapse of the United States empire?
1) The replacement of the U.S. dollar as the world’s reserve currency?
2) The decline of the United States economy enough so that the U.S. financial and banking industry no longer poses a risk to the global economy?
3) The loss of the ability of the United States to intervene violently almost without any hesitation just about anywhere around the globe through the projection of its military power?
4) The withdrawal of the United States from at least most to almost all of its foreign military bases around the world?
5) Something else as well that you might have had in mind?
Given your stated desire to see an end to all the genocide that the United States has been responsible for in the last 60 years presumably at a minimum by the collapse of the United States empire you must mean at least (#3): the loss of the ability of the United States to intervene violently almost without any hesitation just about anywhere around the globe through the projection of its military power.
But that does not seem to be enough of a collapse to constitute a complete collapse of the United States empire.
So, what do you mean by the collapse of the United States empire?
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delia_darrow wrote:
“My desire for the US collapse has mostly to do with my desire to see an end to all the genocide that America has been responsible for in the last 60 years, which by the way, has been financed by the American working class with their tax dollars.
Indirectly or not, the US tax payers have been the financiers of all the illegal wars and invasions.”
My Reply:
I agree.
Indirectly or not, the US taxpayers (i.e. primarily the American working class) have been the financiers of all the illegal wars and invasions.”
Given that the United States has never really been a genuine democracy; do you feel that the American working class as a group bears a significant responsibility for the illegal wars and invasions, genocide?
And if so, what should the American working class do about it?
And if not so, what should the American working class do about it?
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Delia_darrow previously wrote:
“, . . . the worst part's the creep [i.e. Barack Obama] will get NO opposition from the real left next year. It'll be a repetition of the charade we had in 2008 of Republicans vs. Democrats. Like choosing between Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer."
Delia_darrow previously wrote:
“So let the Democrats "fight" the Republicans and pretend there's a difference between them. It's only bringing about the end of America faster. Bring it on.”
My Reply and Question:
I don’t’ expect that you believe that the collapse of the United States empire alone is likely to result in the spontaneous establishment of genuine democracy in the United States.
But do you really believe that any significant regime change, that would move the United States toward genuine democracy, would slow down the collapse of the United States empire?
Don’t you think that something should be done now about the absence of genuine democracy in the United States and the prospects of having to choose between the likes of “Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer”, as you have expressed it, in the 2012 election and beyond?
What would Jesus . . .
No, what would delia_darrow do?
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Re-posted by PuffinThrush
Originally posted by PuffinThrush Apr 1 2011 - 12:19pm under
the article titled: “A Primer on Class Struggle” by Michael Schwalbe
Article URL: www.commondreams.org/view/2011/03/31-4
spacecadet wrote:
“What use is any struggle to free ourselves from bondage, if we don't have an ideology to replace it? Unfortunately for most Americans, it is dangerous to even discuss an alternative to corporate capitalism. Instead we are left with the political 'Wheel of Fortune' where viewers once every four years can bask in the glory of our 'splendid democracy' when we get to choose door number one or door number two.”
dubet wrote:
"I suggest a date: September 22, 2012...on this date, all peoples around the world would agree to negate title to all property, cancel all contractual and financial obligation, and cease industry and energy use...
the next thing to remedy is size and representation...on this same date, the idea would be to return to living locally, sharing the use of the resources in your vicinity, working with your neighbors to manage and defend them..."
rfloh wrote:
“Actually most of the protesters in the MidEast have been pretty clear that they want more than just the removal of the current leader, they want changes in the system, in law, etc.”
Michael Schwalbe wrote:
“The most important arena outside the workplace is government, because it’s here that the rules of the game are made, interpreted, and enforced. When we look at how capitalists try to use government to protect and advance their interests -- and at how other groups resist -- we are looking at class struggle.”
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My Comments:
I think both rfloh and Michael Schwalbe make important points.
What passes for liberal democracy in the United States is not genuine democracy, but merely a form of proto-democracy where voting does not give the people the power of a sovereign boss and where elections are unable to determine whether or not the consent of the self-governed actually exists.
The power of the working class is affected by many things including the allegiance of the government. The more the government gives its allegiance to the ruling class the more difficult it is for the working class to exercise power.
Here are some of the things that are wrong with proto-democracy in the United States as well as some of things we might do to change them. Given the reluctance of the ruling class to give up power, in every case people in the streets demanding changes that will contribute to the establishment of genuine political democracy in the United States will be essential.
1) Plurality Voting unduly restricts each voter’s freedom of speech and freedom of political association in ways that favor those who are already powerful. This violates the U.S. Constitutional guarantee of “equal protection under the law”. Plurality Voting should be replace in single-member district elections with a consent-dissent grading scale based voting procedure like Yes No ‘Maybe So’ Voting or Category Scale Power Voting that among other things permits voters to express a preference between major party candidates without supporting either while at the same time directly supporting or opposing other candidates on the ballot. State legislatures are responsible for specifying what voting procedure is used in most government elections. Any and all ways of pressuring state legislatures apply here, as well as placing referendum and initiative questions on the ballot, and initiating lawsuits.
2) Elections are run featuring overly restrictive ballot access laws, the unnecessary exclusion of less powerful candidates from debates, limited public funding of political campaigns, and chronic failures to provide the same resources to voting precincts in poor and minority communities as are available in more wealthy ones. Advocating and agitating for legislation and initiating lawsuits.
3) Our legal system at the direction of precedents set by the U.S. Supreme Court discriminates against the freedom of speech and political association of the middle class and the lower classes which make up the working class by equating the expenditure of money for the purpose of disseminating electoral political speech (during the “virtual town hall” that characterizes the period of time leading up to elections) with actual speech, thereby granting wealthy individuals and individuals with access to a corporate treasury the ability to spend as much money as they want on disseminating the electoral political speech of their choice. Engage in comprehensive and potent “rule synthesis” that can serve as a basis for new legislation, a constitutional amendment, or direct challenges to the relevant Supreme Court rulings over the past thirty years.
4) A number of years ago Ralph Nader, if I remember correctly, suggested that there should be a way that the people can contribute to providing an income to less wealthy candidates while they run for office. Many of us do not have the luxury of running for office when that means as it so often does that we would have to give up our source of income in order to run an effective campaign or simply do have sufficient income to take time away from the struggle for survival. Wealthy people who have large salaries or significant amounts of income from sources other than salaries and wages do not have this problem.
Christine O’Donnell, the Tea Party “I am not a witch” candidate from Delaware, did get into some trouble as she should have for allegedly using funds donated to her campaign for her own private purposes.
I think Ralph Nader’s suggestion is a good idea. Donations either for income replacement or simply for income supplementation should be acceptable only from natural persons and nominating political parties in [sic] any where donations are limited to natural persons, whose contributions for this purpose are limited by law and are placed in a separate fund from campaign contributions. Any candidate wishing to accept such funds must make public their income and amount of wealth. The total amount of donations that can be accepted by the fund should capped (perhaps around the current average household income) and donations beyond that amount should not be accepted and must be returned if they are acceptable [sic] in error.
What does Descartes . . .
No, what does delia_darrow think?
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Re-posted by PuffinThrush
Originally posted under the article titled:
“A Primer on Class Struggle” by Michael Schwalbe
Article URL: www.commondreams.org/view/2011/03/31-4
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Posted by Mairead
Apr 1 2011 - 12:20pm
re (4): Or simply make the satisfaction of our common human needs a right of citizenship. If everyone had the right to food, shelter, etc. then people could do things that aren't focused on the bottom of Maslow's pyramid. Things such as stand for office.
Which is how Rowling was able to write the first Harry Potter book: she lived on the dole. Her and her child's food, shelter, medical care, etc were all covered as of right. (Someone worked out what a massive "lottery win" that was for HM Government. The payoff was on the order of millions to one, IIRC)
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Posted by PuffinThrush
Apr 1 2011 - 2:31pm
Yeah, that would do it. Perhaps Nader's suggestion might be an intermediate step on the way there as well as another alternative once there.
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See also: Apr 2 2011 - 10:08am posted by PuffinThrush below for more discussion about some historically unpalatable choices and about the Yes No 'Maybe So' Voting and Cateory Scale Power Voting solutions.
delia_darrow previously wrote:
"thanks amacd, the worst part's the creep [i.e. Barack Obama] will get NO opposition from the real left next year. It'll be a repetition of the charade we had in 2008 of Republicans vs. Democrats. Like choosing between Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer."
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Actually, there is something that can be done about the elections charade between Republicans vs. Democrats.
Choosing between Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer, or between Edwin Edwards (Dem: former governor “crook”) and David Duke (Rep: neo-Nazis, KKK) in 1991, or Gray Davis (Dem: higher negatives than positives) and Bill Simon (Rep: higher negatives than positives) in 2002 (please note: Davis was recalled in 2003), or Al Gore (Dem) and George W. Bush (Rep) in 2000 is something voters are coerced into doing, however reluctantly, by Plurality Voting.
Plurality Voting can and should be replaced in single-member district elections by a consent-dissent grading scale based voting procedure like “Yes No ‘ Maybe So’ Voting (YNMS) or Category Scale Power Voting (CSPV).
Both these voting procedures enable voters to vote “None of the Above” by directly voting “No” (YNMS), or “Most Opposed” or “Opposed” (CSPV) against all of the individual candidates on the ballot. This also means that voters can express a preference between major party candidates on the ballot without supporting either major party candidate, while at the same time expressing their support or their opposition for or against any other individual candidates on the ballot.
There is not time for such changes to occur in time to help voters in the 2012 Presidential Election, But any candidate, perhaps a Green candidate or a labor candidate, who vigoriously campaigns for the establishment of a genuine democracy in the United States and explains the various things that need to be done in order to establish a genuine democracy including replacing Plurality Voting with Yes No 'Maybe So' Voting (YNMS) or Category Scale Power Voting (CSPV) is likely to attract a lot of the many, many disgruntled and outright enraged potential voters in the United States.
The 1991 race for Governor of Lousiana featured two popular bumperstickers: "Vote For the Crook. It's Important." and "Vote for the Lizard, not the Wizard." Republican President George H. W> Bush “urged that Edwards, the Democrat, was a better choice than Duke, who running as a Republican but was a former KKK Grand Wizard and had previously run as a Democrat.
The crook won. After being fingered by Texas for-profit prison entrepreneur Patrick Graham, who allegedly gave him $845,000 in conjunction with a scheme to locate a private juvenile prison in Jena, Louisiana, Edwards was indicted in 1998 by the federal government with prosecution led by U.S. Attorney Eddie Jordan. The prosecution soon released transcripts of audio conversations, as well as excerpts of video surveillance that seemed to indicate dubious financial transactions. The Edwards investigation also tarnished the reputation of San Francisco 49ers owner Edward J. DeBartolo Jr., who admitted to paying Edwards $400,000 in exchange for Edwards's assistance in securing a casino license.
Edwards was found guilty on 17 of 26 counts, including racketeering, extortion, money laundering, mail fraud and wire fraud; his son Stephen was convicted on 18 counts. "I did not do anything wrong as a governor, even if you accept the verdict as it is, it doesn't indicate that," Edwards told the press after his conviction. On his way to prison he said, "I will be a model prisoner, as I have been a model citizen".
See Wikipedia URLs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Edwards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke
According to the results of field poll reported in an article published September 19, 2002 in The Economist called “Blues of the Greens - An invigorating candidate is unjustly pushed to the sidelines” Gray Davis had a 7% [Plurality Voting] lead over Bill Simon, “considerably larger than the 3% of voters who supported Mr Camejo. But the poll also showed 22% undecided, a share that has risen—at a stage in the campaign when opinions would normally be becoming firmer, not softening—from 16% in July. And both the main candidates have higher negative than positive ratings.”
The Economist stated further, "That makes Mr Camejo a potentially dangerous man as far as the governor is concerned. It is a familiar position for him; back in the 1960s, when he was a leader of the student radicals at the University of California at Berkeley, the governor of the day, Ronald Reagan, named him one of the ten most dangerous men in California. As a first-generation Venezuelan-American, Mr Camejo could broaden the appeal of the Green Party among Latino and minority voters who, up to now, have disproportionately backed the Democrats. According to Mike Madrid, a Republican consultant, one-third of Latinos say they dislike both candidates from the main parties—the highest share ever to do so.“
See also Wikipedia URLs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_Davis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Simon_(politician)