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Libya: The Wearingly Familiar Odor of Regime Change
First it was Saddam. Then Gaddafi. Now There's a Vacancy for the West's Favorite Crackpot Tyrant
So we are going to take "all necessary measures" to protect the civilians of Libya, are we? Pity we didn't think of that 42 years ago. Or 41 years ago. Or... well, you know the rest. And let's not be fooled by what the UN resolution really means. Yet again, it's going to be regime-change. And just as in Iraq – to use one of Tom Friedman's only memorable phrases of the time – when the latest dictator goes, who knows what kind of bats will come flying out of the box?
One thing we can do is spot the future Gaddafis and Saddams we are breeding right now - the future torture-chamber sadists. (Getty; EPA)
And after Tunisia, after Egypt, it's got to be Libya, hasn't it? The Arabs of North Africa are demanding freedom, democracy, liberation from oppression. Yes, that's what they have in common. But what these nations also have in common is that it was us, the West, that nurtured their dictatorships decade after decade after decade. The French cuddled up to Ben Ali, the Americans stroked Mubarak, while the Italians groomed Gaddafi until our own glorious leader went to resurrect him from the political dead.
Could this be, I wonder, why we have not heard from Lord Blair of Isfahan recently? Surely he should be up there, clapping his hands with glee at another humanitarian intervention. Perhaps he is just resting between parts. Or maybe, like the dragons in Spenser's Faerie Queen, he is quietly vomiting forth Catholic tracts with all the enthusiasm of a Gaddafi in full flow.
So let's twitch the curtain just a bit and look at the darkness behind it. Yes, Gaddafi is completely bonkers, flaky, a crackpot on the level of Ahmadinejad of Iran and Lieberman of Israel – who once, by the way, drivelled on about how Mubarak could "go to hell" yet quaked with fear when Mubarak was indeed hurtled in that direction. And there is a racist element in all this.
The Middle East seems to produce these ravers – as opposed to Europe, which in the past 100 years has only produced Berlusconi, Mussolini, Stalin and the little chap who used to be a corporal in the 16th List Bavarian reserve infantry, but who went really crackers when he got elected in 1933 – but now we are cleaning up the Middle East again and can forget our own colonial past in this sandpit. And why not, when Gaddafi tells the people of Benghazi that "we will come, 'zenga, zenga' (alley by alley), house by house, room by room." Surely this is a humanitarian intervention that really, really, really is a good idea. After all, there will be no "boots on the ground".
Of course, if this revolution was being violently suppressed in, say, Mauritania, I don't think we would be demanding no-fly zones. Nor in Ivory Coast, come to think of it. Nor anywhere else in Africa that didn't have oil, gas or mineral deposits or wasn't of importance in our protection of Israel, the latter being the real reason we care so much about Egypt.
So here are a few things that could go wrong, a sidelong glance at those bats still nestling in the glistening, dank interior of their box. Suppose Gaddafi clings on in Tripoli and the British and French and Americans shoot down all his aircraft, blow up all his airfields, assault his armour and missile batteries and he simply doesn't fade away. I noticed on Thursday how, just before the UN vote, the Pentagon started briefing journalists on the dangers of the whole affair; that it could take "days" just to set up a no-fly zone.
Then there is the trickery and knavery of Gaddafi himself. We saw it yesterday when his Foreign Minister announced a ceasefire and an end to "military operations" knowing full well, of course, that a Nato force committed to regime-change would not accept it, thus allowing Gaddafi to present himself as a peace-loving Arab leader who is the victim of Western aggression: Omar Mukhtar Lives Again.
And what if we are simply not in time, if Gaddafi's tanks keep on rolling? Do we then send in our mercenaries to help the "rebels". Do we set up temporary shop in Benghazi, with advisers and NGOs and the usual diplomatic flummery? Note how, at this most critical moment, we are no longer talking about the tribes of Libya, those hardy warrior people whom we invoked with such enthusiasm a couple of weeks ago. We talk now about the need to protect "the Libyan people", no longer registering the Senoussi, the most powerful group of tribal families in Benghazi, whose men have been doing much of the fighting. King Idris, overthrown by Gaddafi in 1969, was a Senoussi. The red, black and green "rebel" flag – the old flag of pre-revolutionary Libya – is in fact the Idris flag, a Senoussi flag. Now let's suppose they get to Tripoli (the point of the whole exercise, is it not?), are they going to be welcomed there? Yes, there were protests in the capital. But many of those brave demonstrators themselves originally came from Benghazi. What will Gaddafi's supporters do? "Melt away"? Suddenly find that they hated Gaddafi after all and join the revolution? Or continue the civil war?
And what if the "rebels" enter Tripoli and decide Gaddafi and his crazed son Saif al-Islam should meet their just rewards, along with their henchmen? Are we going to close our eyes to revenge killings, public hangings, the kind of treatment Gaddafi's criminals have meted out for many a long year? I wonder. Libya is not Egypt. Again, Gaddafi is a fruitcake and, given his weird performance with his Green Book on the balcony of his bombed-out house, he probably does occasionally chew carpets as well.
Then there's the danger of things "going wrong" on our side, the bombs that hit civilians, the Nato aircraft which might be shot down or crash in Gaddafi territory, the sudden suspicion among the "rebels"/"Libyan people"/democracy protesters that the West, after all, has ulterior purposes in its aid. And there's one boring, universal rule about all this: the second you employ your weapons against another government, however righteously, the thing begins to unspool. After all, the same "rebels" who were expressing their fury at French indifference on Thursday morning were waving French flags in Benghazi on Thursday night. Long live America. Until...
I know the old arguments, of course. However bad our behaviour in the past, what should we do now? It's a bit late to be asking that. We loved Gaddafi when he took over in 1969 and then, after he showed he was a chicken-head, we hated him and then we loved him again – I am referring to Lord Blair's laying on of hands – and now we hate him again. Didn't Arafat have a back-to-front but similar track record for the Israelis and Americans? First he was a super-terrorist longing to destroy Israel, then he was a super-statesman shaking hands with Yitzhak Rabin, then he became a super-terrorist again when he realised he'd been tricked over the future of "Palestine".
One thing we can do is spot the future Gaddafis and Saddams whom we are breeding right now, the future crackpot, torture-chamber sadists who are cultivating their young bats with our economic help. In Uzbekistan, for example. And in Turkmenistan. And in Tajikistan and Chechenya and other "stans". But no. These are men we have to deal with, men who will sell us oil, buy our arms and keep Muslim "terrorists" at bay.
It is all wearingly familiar. And now we are back at it again, banging our desks in spiritual unity. We don't have many options, do we, unless we want to see another Srebrenica? But hold on. Didn't that happen long after we had imposed our "no-fly" zone over Bosnia?


79 Comments so far
Show AllHow dare Fisk ask such questions about history, motivations, consequences? What, are we supposed to think things through?
Our leaders are speaking! There is a bad man and he must be stopped!
Either you are with us or you are against us.
Well, I'm pretty sure I'm not with you.
Is that you Bush? I'm not with you, because you're just as bad as Gaddafi.
Idiots like you are why we're in Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place.
Go join the military if you love war. Why aren't you in Libya?
SARCASM!!!
You cetainly need help in English,my friend. You and many others on this website simply don't understand how to read tongue-in-cheek comments. Every time,damn it, someone's sarcasm meter is off or it simply isn't there. The first commentator is being SARCASTIC, jeez!!
Thanks.
Yeah, I get in trouble with this sometimes as well. I've thought of writing "sarcasm" in parenthesis to help people out, but it kind of ruins the effect.
Sarcasm, satire, and irony are problematic on Internet comments, because there will always be readers who don't pick up on it.
This happens in face-to-face communication, too, but at least there are non-verbal cues, i.e. tone of voice, facial expressions, and body language that make it less ambiguous.
It takes relatively sophisticated perception, wit, and emotional resilience to detect and enjoy it.
FWIW, like Elizabeth, I'm not a fan of practicing "Safe Sarcasm" in the form of offense-proofing it with "tags". Successful sarcasm depends on not being too explicit. It's a risky business; so be it.
Trolls foul sarcasm meters.
"there will always be readers who don't pick up on it."
so?
Why Libya? To provide a distraction from the violent crackdown on the protesters in Bahrain. The USG will not allow protesters there jeopardize its cozy relationship with the Bahrain dictator because the bribery and the bribes are just too lucrative. This is in addition to the port provided to the US fleet. Anyone whom thinks that the USG, Saudi's and the Bahrain dictator didn't approve and coordinate this violent crackdown on peaceful protesters is a fool. In fact, al Qaedafi had a better rational because it was an armed rebellion against his government.
Thank you Mr. Fisk, you've articulated my anger better than I could.
I made this same point just today in reply to another article, but I can remember when it was not the U.S. government's business to "interfere with the internal affairs of another country," so the dictators on "our" side of the Cold War could oppress their people with total impunity. Not like that now, is it?
Do we really need a new imperialist war?
Evidently what we need is pretty low on the priorities list. The president is proving he's not afraid to use armed force so he won't be called a wimp on the world stage.
You're still calling that lanky,big eared micky mouse of the oligrachy, "the President"? Habits of servility and docility die hard don't they?
Geez, here another impromptu "Coalition of the Willing" has gotten itself together to take arms against the latest Despicable Evildoer in an oil-soaked country with strategic relevance to Israel, and all cynics like Fisk can do is point out the flies clinging to the inside of the hastily-filled glass-- and note that in any case, it's half-filled with a dubious and quite murky substance despite its foamy head of seeming righteous altruism.
That's a heck of a metaphor. Apt, though.
What, exactly, would you have Robert Fisk do? Another dozen or two of him would be a major force in helping to clean up the world.
And you, Obedient Servant? Tell us one thing you're doing, and I for one will be most pleased.
Gee, yeah, and all he has is that biting sense of irony... I guess you do , too...
RE: "I wonder, why we have not heard from Lord Blair of Isfahan recently?" - Fisk
ANSWER: Based on what I’ve heard from “Lord” Blair recently, he is obsessed with one thing and one thing only – the urgent need to crush Iran!
This spontaeous armed uprising and subsequent G7 Invasion is sponsored by HALIBURTON, BLACKWATER, BIG OIL and the CIA....makers of fine US controlled dictatorships for over 100 years!
"Libya: The Wearingly Familiar Odor of Regime Change"
All too true. We can only hope that soon we're sufficiently many remembering "the fire last time" and the damage done to STOP the blatant NATO-imperialism by any other sweet name.
I, tonight, walked out of a dinner, mid-dinner, because I dared to challenge the air of pride which the assembled guests were promoting because of the implementation of the no-fly zone and I was roundly treated to that look of "you poor idiotic fool", accompanied by a strong round of various versions of "you don't know shit."
The other guests had voted for Obama and when I stated that I was voting for Nader, I received the same look.
I believe that all of the Obamatons are so desperate to believe that this action will validate their votes, that they refuse to (again) hear, much less tolerate, any views which are beyond their pretty pale.
I guess I did them a great favor by removing my negativity from their party.
I must tend my garden.
Good old vicarious warmongering. Better to walk out than try to argue with them.
"Paranoid Pessimist"
I did make several attempts at arguing my position and found that I was an obstacle to their a game of "hardball".
The political scientist who initiated the celebration would not even look at me.
Desperate democrats clinging to the notion of winning have no time for reflection,
just like republicans.
I guess I'm lucky. My sister and brother-in-law are hard-core Rethuglicans. They don't care about niceties like "humanitarian intervention" (so-called). They just want to bomb the sh*t out of everything. There's no arguing.
It's a hell of a lot easier to deal with, that's for sure.
And the citizens of the empire
buttered their toast
and supported the empire.
You're not alone. My brother was 'lecturing' me last night for not supporting this 'noble' war. I told him he was brainwashed by CNN and Fox and cut the conversation short. I have no patience for idiots, not even my brother.
If you had attended any of the Texas caucuses you would already have been prepared for the intolerant and bullying nature of many Obama supporters. The scary part of it all is that Mr. Obama is a master puppeteer. He and his party got their ears washed last November. He is unlikely to make the same mistakes again. From day one of the Libyan rebellion he intended to wage war against Kadaffi but needed time to be able to slyly and almost certainly illegally bypass our constitution with a UN resolution. Don't believe that he was reluctant but was pushed by Secretary Clinton. Remember: he is a master puppeteer. I hope he has blundered this time.
If our nation does not wake up to realize that we have 14 overlords in the UN Security Council who can help our Presidents to wipe their behinds with a copy of our constitution it will have lost its sovereignty for good. Wake up and finally demand the impeachment of a President who has attacked a country that has neither threatened nor attacked us without a legal declaration of war. It does not matter that the leader of that country is a dictator. Our constitution does not contain the clause "except when the enemy is a dictator". The notorious War Powers Resolution does not apply in this case. I am beginning to feel a slight sympathy for Bertrand Paul and his branch of the "Tea Party".
Watch carefully what will happen next in Congress. The Obama administration is likely to ask soon for "emergency funding for Odysseus". Our representatives and senators know very well that they are off the hook, meaning not having to vote for a declaration of war on Libya, once they pass the request and the president has signed it because that was the gist of a 1990 ruling of the US Supreme Court. Many experts aver that the ruling was an atrocity. I agree.
Even if the Congress does not object to current DoD funds being used for "Odysseus" the administration can argue that that is the same as funding it officially.
I have read that voting a declaration of war after hostilities have already started is superfluous. Apparently congress did not think so after Japan attacked us and Hitler had declared war on the US but had not yet sunk a single US-flagged ship in 1942. Those were the times, my dear, when we still had some representatives with cojones.
Our best, perhaps only hope is that the masses of the nations of the Arabian Peninsula, Syria, Palestine, Gaza, Iraq, and Iran will rise up fully and in unison against their masters and try to overthrow these Medieval regimes.
Bravo Birdbrain Alley..makes one just want to go play in their dirt. I'm with you ...it's spring... I will focus on my garden and know my efforts there will be rewarded. In the meantime, the world slowly goes down the rabbit hole to solid insanity. I just wish they weren't eventually taking us all with it.
Obviously, the Obama Administration will support any genuine form of democracy and oppose any form of dictatorship. That's certainly a welcome change from past foreign policy coming out of Washington; and hopefully, the people of the Middle East are now choosing not to become subjects of a new Caliphate.
I respect Fisk, but am disturbed by his one-sided venom in this article. To characterize Qaddafi, he has chosen the most hateful words, as if there is no one worse alive today. Examples:
-"completely bonkers". Well, what do you say about Bush?
-"We will come [looking for you] alley by alley..." Well, didn't Bush say "we'll smoke you out of your holes"?
-"trickery and knavery [of Q]". Equally applicable to most leaders opposing him today.
-"torture chamber sadists". Do Bush, Obama, and Blair have better records? Just ask the Gitmo residents, Aafia, and Bradley.
-"And what if ... Gaddafi and his crazed son ... should meet their just rewards?" Well, bloodstained though Qaddafi's hands are, they are light pink compared to Bush and Blair's (and now Obama's). Why invoke "just rewards", so as to make them acceptable about Q only?
I find your thinking to be quite specious as you seem to be assuming that because Fisk is condemning Gaddafi then he must not, for some unknown reason, be critical of Bush and his lackeys. I suggest that if you were to take the time to look into Fisk''s past writings, you would find him to be just as critical of Bush, if not more so, than of the leader of Libya.
Exactly.
drdulkamara
I agree with your general observation on the invective Fisk flings liberally at Gaddafi and Ahmedinejad thrown in for good measure. But the general direction of Fisk's article and his central point about Western hypocrisy rendered in such biting sarcasm is balm for some of us oldies, especially when it comes from an awakened and perhaps evolving old Jewish, progressive curmedgeon. I am impressed he managed to include Liebermann the Hun of Israel in his list crazy "leaders". That's progress don't you think?
By the way, I like your comaprision metaphor on blood spilled by psychopath leaders of the West and East. Gaddafi is pink compared to the deep, dripping red of Blair-Bush. Good one. Ignore Errol - - he simply didn't understand what you were saying.
I love the Spenser reference.
We persuaded Gaddafi to give up nukes. Would we have attacked him if he had nukes? Why would we not attack North Korea which has a bad dictator? Do we set a precedent when we choose sides in a civil war? Why Libya and not Barain? Will our intervention win the hearts and minds in theArab world?
Uh, No. We persuaded him to give up what he didn't have. Brilliant!
There are two groups of commentators here: The "Why do they hate us?" and the "Why do they love us?". Ha Ha Ha. Both groups may soon have to ask another question: "Why do China and India get to win the contracts for pumping oil out of Libya when it was we who do the fighting?" It's just not fair. Damn it! Ha Ha Ha.
This should be titled The Wearingly Familiar odor of OIL
Anyone who believes the rhetoric of humanitarian or democracy is a damn fool.
The warmongers spend all that time and money, killing countless civilians, to get one man. You don't have a few good men that can just take him out? Oh, sure I hear you now, oh but that's illegal, better we should slaughter hundreds on the off chance of getting one. what a crock of shit cause the US supported that sob since 1969.Come on...he just started being a big creep? I hear the war drums of Bush etal chiming into the war drums of Obomba.
"the US supported that sob since 1969"
which is why ronnie bombed him?
The way the media is makes it worse. The start of a war like this and they jump in to cover it, comment on it, make a big deal out of it (I know, it is a big deal, but do they have to be so enthusiastically on board?)
They know how to cover stuff like this. It was the same with that first Gulf War. When it started the media were there, eager to be "embedded" so they'd have stuff to put out there. You don't get much comment from people saying that this is a dumb and destructive idea and ought not to be happening.
Yes, and I've noticed that even Al Jazeera seems to have this same uncritical, gung-ho attitude. Disgusting.
Well, isn't it just *grand* that Obomber & friends are "humanely" bombing Ghaddaffi back to the stone age. Now, I suppose, when Palestinian civilians are in danger from Israeli bomb, they will institute a "no-fly" zone over Israel, as they are so concerned about civilians. Just so, SO concerned it makes one plotz. I just know they'll be ready to defend all those Gazans against the next attempt at outright murder by the state of Israel. Sure they will. Of course they will. So very concerned they are about innocents. How brave they are, ha ha.
Oboombox, Bliar, Sharkozy and the rest can all drop dead!
Right m'lord.
Fisk's thinking is scrambled on this issue. Ghaddaffi is no worse than any of these mid-east dictators, in fact he is a lot better, having built the most socially advanced country in Africa.
He is being bombed because he has built a viable socialist state that functions for the benefit of Libyan people, and the "international community" can't stand that because they can't exploit that state.
The "international community" will set up a compliant, corrupt dictator to replace Ghaddaffi if their invasion is successful, and they will then share in the spoils of war - Libya's oil - while their oil companies reap the profits from that oil.
And then the people of Libya will find themselves among the poorest in Africa. The great, humanitarian
"international community" having triumphed again.
"Ghaddaffi is no worse than any of these mid-east dictators, in fact he is a lot better, having built the most socially advanced country in Africa.
"
If he is a lot better, why then, do you not compare him to these very mideast dictators? Why compare to Africa? Compare Libya with Saudi. With the UAE. With Oman. Etc. Being the most socially advanced country in Africa, whatever that means, is hardly anything to boast about, especially not given the oil wealth that Libya has. In fact, it is pretty damn pathetic. It is notable that all the apologists for Gaddafi, on the one hand point out that Libya has a lot of oil, yet, on the other, they want to compare Libya to very poor countries (that do not have a lot of or any oil), and then claim that because the Libyan people have better lives than people in very poor countries, that means that Gaddafi is some kind of socialist hero.
"He is being bombed because he has built a viable socialist state that functions for the benefit of Libyan people, and the "international community" can't stand that because they can't exploit that state.
"
How is Gaddafi's "viable socialist" state different from those of say, the UAE, Oman, Kuwait, ie the mideast dictators?
"The "international community" will set up a compliant, corrupt dictator to replace Ghaddaffi if their invasion is successful, and they will then share in the spoils of war - Libya's oil - while their oil companies reap the profits from that oil.
And then the people of Libya will find themselves among the poorest in Africa. The great, humanitarian
"
Yeah, just like the people of Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Oman, Bahrain, etc are among the poorest in the world.
That poster was referring to 'the people' of those countries, not the tiny wealthy oil elites.
"Compare Libya with Saudi. With the UAE. With Oman."
OK rfloh, here's your comparison of the UN's HDIs:
New 2010 estimates for 2010
Arab states
10 highest HDIs
Very high human development
1 UAE 0.815
2 Qatar 0.803
3 Bahrain 0.801
4 Kuwait 0.771
5 Libya 0.755
6 Saudi Arabia 0.752
7 Tunisia 0.683
8 Jordan 0.681
9 Algeria 0.677
10 Egypt 0.620
10 lowest HDIs
Very low human development
Rank Country HDI
1 Sudan 0.379
2 Djibouti 0.402
3 Comoros 0.428
4 Mauritania 0.433
5 Yemen 0.439
6 Morocco 0.567
7 Syria 0.589
8 Egypt 0.620
9 Algeria 0.677
10 Jordan 0.681
I'll leave it to you to average the HDIs of "international community" pals against the HDI of socialist Libya.
And let's not forget, Libya has been forced to spend much on defense, which we see being put to good use this very day.
When was the last time the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, or Kuwait had to spend on defense to prepare for attack by the "international community"?
readbetweenthe_lines:
Why?