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No Nukes Is Good Nukes
When it comes to the safety of nuclear power plants, I am biased. And I’ll bet that if President Barack Obama had been with me on that trip to Chernobyl 24 years ago he wouldn’t be as sanguine about the future of nuclear power as he was Tuesday in an interview with a Pittsburgh television station: “Obviously, all energy sources have their downside. I mean, we saw that with the Gulf spill last summer.”
Futaba Kosei Hospital patients who might have been exposed to radiation are carried on stretchers Sunday morning after being evacuated from the hospital in the town of Futaba near the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station. (AP / The Yomiuri Shimbun, Daisuke Tomita)
Sorry, Mr. President, but there is a dimension of fear properly associated with the word nuclear that is not matched by any oil spill.
Even 11 months after what has become known simply as “Chernobyl” I sensed a terror of the darkest unknown as I donned the requisite protective gear and checked Geiger counter readings before entering the surviving turbine room adjoining plant No. 4, where the explosion had occurred.
It was a terror reinforced by the uncertainty of the scientists who accompanied me as to the ultimate consequences for the health of the region’s population, even after 135,000 people had been evacuated. As I wrote at the time, “particularly disturbing was the sight of a collective farm complete with all the requirements of living: white farm houses with blue trim, tractors and other farm implements, clothing hanging on a line and some children’s playthings. All the requirements except people.”
Back then, working for the Los Angeles Times, I had been covering the nuclear arms race, and my invitation to be the first American newspaper reporter to visit Chernobyl came from one of Mikhail Gorbachev’s top science advisers, Yevgeny P. Velikhov, whom I had interviewed on arms control issues.
Velikhov had led the effort to contain the damage at Chernobyl, risking his health in the immediate days after the incident by flying low over the contaminated reactor site in a helicopter, as well as by scaling the sidewall of the damaged reactor to more accurately evaluate the situation.
His point in arranging my visit was to demonstrate the terrifying consequence of a “peaceful” nuclear explosion, let alone one resulting from a weapon designed to inflict mass destruction. It was an argument he advanced with the military in his own country about the folly of nuclear war-fighting scenarios: “After two weeks of discussion with the army corps, I asked how you wish to survive a nuclear war if you have no possibility to clean this small piece of nuclear garbage.”
This was a sentiment echoed by Harvard physicist Richard Wilson, who also made that Chernobyl trip, and who pointed out that with nuclear weapons “one is dealing with a technology designed to explode that is also under the control of human beings.”
An important lesson that should be reinforced by the ongoing disaster in Japan is to worry more about the elimination of those nuclear weapons designed to explode, and another is to be concerned about the prospect of sabotage of nuclear power plants. This last is a reason to rely less on nuclear power in a world made volatile not only by natural disasters but through the concerted efforts of those who can fly airplanes into targets of their choice. At the very least, the expense of properly maintaining the internal safety and external security of power plants should be considered in any cost-benefit analysis of their usefulness as an alternative source of energy.
I know there will be an attempt to sell us the argument that the odds of a catastrophic earthquake and a catastrophic tsunami occurring together in an area containing a nuclear power facility are incredibly low, that the Japanese plants in question were of inadequate design and, as in the case of Chernobyl, that “human error” was at fault. Despite the earlier accident at Three Mile Island in Pennsylvania, there was a strong tendency to present the Chernobyl disaster as a warning sign not about nuclear power in general but rather the particular failures of a rotting Soviet economy.
After the Japanese experience, such cavalier dismissal of the intrinsic problems of nuclear power is no longer plausible. Recall that it was Obama himself who in October 2009 celebrated Japan as the model for nuclear power expansion: “There is no reason why, technologically, we can’t employ nuclear energy in a safe and effective way. Japan does it and France does it, and it doesn’t have greenhouse gas emissions. …”
As journalist Kate Sheppard points out in Mother Jones online: “Nuclear power is part of the `clean energy standard’ that Obama outlined in the State of the Union speech in January. And in the 2011 budget the administration called for a three-fold increase in federal loan guarantees for new nuclear power plants, from the $18.5 billion that Congress has already approved to $54.5 billion. `We are aggressively pursuing nuclear energy,’ said Energy Secretary Steven Chu in February 2010 as he unveiled the budget. … In Monday’s White House press briefing, press secretary Jay Carney said that nuclear energy `remains a part of the president’s overall energy plan.’ ”
Trust me, this is not the way we want to go.
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Show AllTerrific article which should be required reading for every member of the Obama administration. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki back in 1945 should have elicited this response which would have paraphrased the words of Samuel Morse:
What hath Man wrought?
It doesn't matter what Team Obama reads or doesn't read.
Team Obama's and the Democratic Party's sole mission is to get more corporate contributions than the Republicans.
They know that the mission will not be accomplished unless they pander to the nuclear industry.
I'm posting the following on all the nuke articles:
The truth is, science as it is employed practically is no more or less moral than religion; in fact, what we have going in this era is a melding of science and religion called scientism.
Adam Curtis has a documentary for the issue of nuclear power in the realm of politics and big business. It's the fifth part of his "Pandora's Box" series, called "A is for Atom," and a good history lesson that shows how power trumped logic and morals in the development of nuclear energy in the US, Russia, and the UK. But naturally I assume that this is no longer the case, and we can proceed with newer nuclear technology, which of course has figured all the problems out and is not subject to financial or political pressure.
You can access a good quality version of this and most of Curtis's documentaries through archive.org.
Sorry, but you got it very wrong.
Its not science but money that is the new religion and it has bought science just like everything else.
Scientism is the quasi-religious belief that objectively and rationally assessed empirical data can answer all questions. It assumes that humans can be purely objective and rational, and from this assumption, we can infer that philosophical issues of morality have no use. Of course, belief in religion is usually used as a tool to give up their wealth, and the scientist religion does the same.
Early people's knew, before genetics quantified it, that
all Life on Earth is related.
Einstein called religion, science and art, branches of the same tree whose purpose is the ennoblement of humans. Science isn't inherently bad. Western/modern culture is corrupted and branches of science are infected by it. Same goes for religion, government, etc.
Pruning is in order.
I agree.
Science does not claim to be more moral than religion. Science does not claim morality at all, unlike religions, which try to claim that their prescriptions, and only their prescriptions are what should be followed by humans, disbelievers should just be hanged / burned / drowned / impaled.
Science does not claim that any and everything can be objectively and rationally assessed, nor does it assume that humans can be purely objective and rational. In fact, science assumes humans CANNOT be purely objective and rational, which is why scientists tend to be sceptical of hindsight, of anecdotal accounts based on memory.
Which is why scientists tend to be very cautious and sceptical about the human tendency to look for patterns (where there are none), and then quickly form conclusions. Look for example, at the concept of "type 1" and "type 2" statistical errors. "Type 2" errors, ie assuming an effect when there is none,is considered more serious than "type 1" errors, ie assuming that there is no effect when there is one. If scientists were to assume that humans are all purely objective and rational, then, neither would be preferred over the other.
And scientists certainly do not infer that philosophical issues of morality have no use.
As for the "scientist religion": given how many people have the tendency to believe whatever they want about anything, looking patterns where there are none, the "scientist religion" has hardly any traction.
You may have misunderstood my post. Scientism is hardly synonymous with the scientific method. Scientism refers to a belief system in which the limits of science are surpassed and its power bleeds into all categories of thought. I’m not knocking science. I am criticizing the way it is misused in the emotional/political realm.
I understand what you are saying. The critique of "scientism" or fundamentalist materialism as I prefer to call it, has been ongoing for some time. Scientism tries to collpase all of existence into a sensory-empirical-materialist flatland.
Science needs money in order to do science. All the high tech equipment costs a fortune. They get it where they can which isn't, sorry to say, from ordinary people going about their ordinary lives. They couldn't afford it.
So the scientists depend on government grants and other sources of "funding" that are suspect. The alternative is to not do high tech science. It depends on whether the results are worth the trouble, whether the knowledge pays off in the long run (and that assumes that there's going to be a long run). Kurt Vonnegut explored that theme in a number of his books including my favorite, Cat's Cradle.
Since you liked "Cat's cradle", try Vonnegut's new (!) book "Look at the Birdie" - short fiction. This is previously uncollected, vintage Vonnegut. Up there with his best.
Yup all this technology, risk, radioactive waste, and in some cases death, just to boil water.
When you step back and really try to wrap your mind around that, it makes your brain hurt.
Nuclear power is the most expensive method mankind has ever devised to boil water.
When the nuclear industry and the politicians they own tell you that nuclear power is cheap, they are not including all of the taxpayer funded corporate welfare the industry gets.
Nor the more (short-term) expensive cost of developing thorium-fission reactors and feeding the uranium-fission byproducts (including plutonium et al) into them, thus cutting "eternal entombment" down to "only" several centuries or so.
Nuclear power. A great idea. In stars. On earth? Not so much.
Ray,
When you add all the costs, burning coal to boil water is far more expensive. 1000's die every year from the emitted toxins.
Bill
Come on, Bill, try to itemize that. What's your fee for thousands of years of materials storage?
Bard,
I was thinking more of the costs in lives but, the utilities do pay a fee to the government to take possession of the used nuclear fuel. The accumulated funds were more than enough to build, operate and close Yucca Mountain. (I am not advocating for Yucca Mountain but putting the funds in perspective.)
Bill
The addiction of money and the dis-ease of greed will once again combine to make those in powerful positions turn a blind eye to the dangers of nuclear power. They do not care if hundreds of thousands die from radiation poisoning. They have no awareness of the billions of other sentient beings that will suffer and die from the callous decisions made by these people. Until they are stopped, once and for all, there is no hope that they will change their tactics.
Yes, its another case where we need to FOLLOW THE MONEY.
Unfortunately, in this case, following the money leads to a huge stockpile of undisposable dangerous collateral damaging waste that no one has a clue what to do with.
I would be surprised if this catastrophe in Japan doesnt spell the end of nuclear energy generation. But it would take a real national and international conversation about our Situation on this planet in the face of Peak Oil and climate change and some real Straight Talk about how our WHOLE way of life is a dead end.
Globalization itself needs to be repudiated. Countries should grow as much of their own food as possible, for example, instead of shipping food thousands of mile and wasting energy and adding to global pollution. Also, cut the US Offense budget in half, stop the wars and stop the Imperial bullsh**, all of which will save a lot of energy and wealth that can be used to build alt.energy systems.
Trains and mass transit instead of trucks and cars. But will Obama stand up and talk straight? Will anyone?
Good input - to that needed "real national and international conversation about our Situation on this planet". Let's have it. (Or rather, let's not accept it being glibly, slickly stopped any more.)
Comment from Germany:
Getting out of nuclear energy asap and start builing renewable energy is the only reasonable course, building new Plants is plain crazy. German people, not our government, made sure this happens in our country.
Many seem to believe germans will go medieval because of shunning nuclear power. As if nuclear energy was the pinnacle of engineering and we would all have to turn of the lights if we dont have it. What nonsense. Do americans think we will build BMWs in our sheds in candlelight from now on? I really wonder.
Why is that so? Who made people think that? Nuclear energy really is a dinosaur. Its a 60 year old technology. You cant even find young nuclear engineers anymore. It is dying and it should be.
In Germany renewables rose from 6% to 18% of energy production in just ten years. Much faster than nuclear did when it was new btw. We will have replaced nuclear energy by renewable when the last reactor is shut down.
Renewable energy became a huge growth factor for german industry. In the mentioned ten years about 300 000 jobs have been created. It is a technology that is now a major export hit.
And, very important, it creates jobs that young people really want to work in. Please go ask any college student around the world if he wants to be a nuclear energy engineer.
Nuclear energy must be like smoking. A bad addiction, hard to give up, backed by a powerfull industry.
In the 60s the tabacco industry made all kinds of claims about cigarette safety. They where just as true as the energy companies claims for nuclear safety are now.
Great letter and right on the money. Maybe your countrymen could tell us how people got their "leaders"to pay attention. That would be a letter worth publishing. I hope it does not require the destruction of our country for us to see reason.
The propaganda campaign the US nuclear industry started right after Chernoble has convinced a majority of Americans that the lights will go out if more nuclear plants are not built and that new plants will be much safer than old plants.
Americans expect a silver bullet to solve every problem and nuclear is one of those silver bullets. Although most Americans that I know don't give a rip about the destruction wrought by the Japanese nuke disaster, they are very dismayed that the negative PR might slow down new US nuclear power plant construction.
It reminds me of when I was in Germany 40 years ago and many Germans I met disliked Hitler, not because of his evil actions, but because he lost WWII.
I just recently saw a report about hawai in german TV. Hawai has probably the best natural ressources for renewble energy in the world. Lots of constant wind. lots of sun, wave energy and geothermal heat all over the place.
The report said, that hawai now has a huge problem with fossile fuels as it all has to be shipped in. It also made the claim that hawai is to be the renewable energy laboratory for the USA.
So, there is hope. Maybe hawaians are differnt from continental americans, but it they show it can be done, maybe other states will follow.
How did germans get the governments attention?
The US problem is the plurality voting system. In germany the green party, that was founded from the anti nuclear movement, could slowly build up a voter base and take influence in politics. Other Parties had to implement green topics and so they got promoted.
The two party system is slowing down all social dynamic in the USA. It makes the US (and the UK) very conservative countries. Not because the people are conservative, but because new ideas never get a chance to grow politically.
The left has no platform and green and (truly) left ideas always have been ridiculed in the US media. In short, I cant help you there.
Great posts, informative and insightful.
Alien Observer -- that is an excellent point. The U.S. political system seems almost designed to strangle diversity and block reform. With winner take all elections and corporate control of the mass media, it becomes nearly impossible for new parties to emerge and gain traction. A parliamentary system with some apportionment of power would offer better options.
Now that both parties are completely owned by corporations and banks -- all the major issues important to the profits of corporations and Wall Street -- are settled.
Struggles are confined to 'cultural' war issues such as abortion rights or relatively minor policy revisions.
We see 'one party state' unity in the maintenance of the military-industrial complex, war policy, bailouts for Wall Street, etc. The continuity between the Bush/Cheney regime and the Obama-Clinton axis on all major issues--despite stylistic wriggling-- is striking.
Scheer mentions the bankruptcy of the Soviet Union but the U.S. is the greatest debtor nation in history. Positive changes appear quixotic at the moment while disastrous policies rumble along like juggernauts. Maybe it is the U.S. empire where perestroika and glasnost are now impossible.
Obama ran as Gorbachev and instead we got Brezhnev (no disrespect intended by the analogy toward the General Secretary.)
"A parliamentary system with some apportionment of power would offer better options."
Well put.
And an effort to install such a system need not be quixotic.
As I suggest in my post below, a well-run, enthusiastic, inclusive campaign for a Constitutional Convention could be launched in a small State such a Vermont. The Vermonters would form the backbone and front line of such a campaign, but the grassroots could easily be a diffuse nationwide group coordinated through the Net. This would make the modest financial needs of a New Vermont Convention less difficult to come by. Also it is appropriate since any Vermont Convention (and the campaign to hold one) would serve as a model and laboratory for Conventions in other States and nationally.
I really think such a thing wouldn't be that difficult at all, and would surely succeed if enough folks just got behind the idea and gave it some effort. Proportional voting is just one of the changes that could be made as a group at a Convention JUST AS EASILY as they could be through individual Amendments. This is because, in most States calling a whole new Convention that is empowered to alter the current Constitution as much as it wants -including writing a whole new one- requires the same two-thirds-of-the-Legislature vote that adopting an Amendment does!!!
Is this really a quixotic notion in a country where as many people share your opinions on the state-of-things as would dispute them?
-matti.
It IS designed to strangle democracy and block reform. It was designed from the start to protect against "arrant democracy". The electoral college, the first past the post voting system, the senate, the staggered elections, every single measure is designed to block reform.
A parliamentary system will do no good, not if the FPTP system continues to be used. The electoral system is the first thing that needs to be changed.
What Alien is referring to is Germany's use of the "mixed member proportional" voting system.
Here's wiki's take:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_member_proportional_representation
Basically you vote for a individual candidate to represent you, AND for a party as a whole. The legislature is then made up of the individually voted Reps. (on a first past the post basis) and folks from the parties' list of candidates (on a proportional basis).
So if you were from, say, Cincinnati, OH, (and the U.S. Constitution and/or the Ohio Constitution had been amended to allow it, not really that difficult, especially in the case of the latter) you might cast a vote for Dennis Kucinich AND the Green Party. No need to worry about "spoiling" anything. Dennis the Dem keeps those scary Red Party types out, but then the Greens actually get to participate for a change (assuming they meet the agreed threshold of votes, that is)!
The main advantage this system has over "instant run-off" is in its greater simplicity for the voter: Just pick one name to represent you and then the party you like best. No need to rank multiple candidates in each and every race.
The big disadvantage (in the U.S.) compared to IRV is that the mixed-member system doesn't translate for our Prez Elections, whereas IRV would. So while both would require Amendments, IRV's would result in less radical changes. Of course, in an era when USAns seem to have forgotten that they power to Amend AT ALL, what does the "radicalness" of Amendment proposals matter?
My two cents, assuming that anyone is interested, is that IRV is a better fit for the U.S. today.
Also, it must be said that a genuinely populist, "pan-left", target the youth, let the doubters be shown sort of movement for a new Constitutional Convention in a small, idiosyncratic State like Vermont would very likely succeed in time, and the dire need for proportional voting of ANY stripe could be one of its most effective rallying cries.
Anyhoo...
Germany has a MMP system and Alien is right that that is much of the diffence in the "democracy gap" between their country and ours.
-matti.
IRV is an out of date system. It is better than FPTP, but there are much better systesm than IRV: score voting.
Instead of ranking candidates by preference, you give them actual numerical scores. So, for example if you have 4 candidates, Kucinich, Nader, Obama, McCain, and you are asked to rank them from 0-100, with 0 indicating that you would not piss on the guy if he was on fire, and 100 indicating that you think that the guy is the Second Coming, you can vote:
K 90
N 90
O 0
M 0
or if you think all politicians of any kind are scum,
K 0
N 0
O 0
M 0
Basically you are allowed to vote any scores you want. You can give everyone max scores, or everyone minimum scores. You can give one person the min score, and everyone else max. And so on.
The system is simple, in that anyone who can do simple math can understand it. Yet, it is very powerful, in that it can capture the degree of support, or disdain, that a voter feels for a candidate.
Tnx a lot, germane German. Valid points all the way.
You are no alien observer to ME. Your post is sanity itself!!
Thanks
Obama: “Obviously, all energy sources have their downside. I mean, we saw that with the Gulf spill last summer.”
Of course, he didn't give a damn about that disaster either.
One of those "no shit sherlock" offhand comments the president is good at making. All politicians have their downside too, and the reaction to the gulf oil spill showed that downside mighty well.
Obama doesn't demonstrate good judgment. He has been given a pass his entire life.
As a young man he decided to start smoking while the dangers were clear at the time. What a waste of all that private education.
He studied the Afghanistan war in detail after taking office and still decided to triple the number of American troops there.
After the largest financial meltdown in the history of humanity brought on by Wall Street, he bailed out the crooks and a called them "savvy businessmen".
He told us how safe deep-water drilling was just three weeks prior to the giant BP spill. The gulf horror didn't change his mind.
Now, after holding up Japan as a model nuclear state, he just said just yesterday that nuclear power is safe.
The guy is a blockhead.
https://www.progressive.org/node/1863
Republicans have their hands all over power companies and nuclear power companies. So electing a republican instead WILL NOT make us safer.
Electing the worse of two evils is still better than the worst evil. That said, Obama should be ousted to show Dems that we will never tolerate those lies again, even if we have to lose an election to the worst evil to prove it. Going forward we could get a Dem candidate to do the will of the people if we show the DNC that Obama's actions render him in-elegible for further candidacy.
Any teen who lives in Hawaii, decides to take up smoking, and picks TOBACCO as his smoke of choice does not possess sound judgement.
QED.
Obedient, thank you. I needed that laugh.
"Just Say No... don't mind if I do!"
Hunter Thompson: "I wouldn't recommend drugs to anyone. But they always worked for me..."
Yes, 'Obedient Servant' - that's what I'll call giving it a name!
If it was grass Obama was caught sneaking out of the White House to puff, I might've gone on respecting him... some. Why doesn't he? - JFK did.
Obama used to get high - now he only gets low.
egg - you raise some awfully good points! Too bad when he extolled Wall Street it didn't blow up and disintegrate into nothingness.
Agree! He left it all to BP. The Gulf and its ecosystem and its human residents will be suffering for years to come because of the toxic dispersant used by BP.
Unfortunately the only thing that is going to replace retired nuclear at this point are going to be more electric power from coal and Marcellus shale-gas.
And forget talk about addressing AGW anymore in polite company.
We can have our pipe-dreams of renewables in our little obscure curners of the internet, but the really-existing capitalist economic system is not going to consider it. Even if they do, they will face protests wherever they attmpt to place a wind facility or even the power lines. Wind development in Lake Ontario was shelved becasue of such protests by Torontans who didn't want their lake view spoiled.
In germany, communities and villages started to take energy production into their own hands. The are independend and 100% renewable now. These villages now make money with these communal energy companies. Now larger cities (like munich) aim for that goal too.
This is something that could be done in the usa too. Especially in rural villages. USA has much better prerequisites for renewables than germany.(More sun, more wind, etc). You dont need Obama to do that.
Not needing Obama is the operative part.