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The “New Centrism” and Its Discontents
There is no ideology of the "center." What is called a "centrist" or a "moderate" is actually very different - a bi-conceptual, someone who is conservative on some issues and progressive on others, in many, many possible combinations. Why does this matter? From the perspective of how the brain works, the distinction is crucial. 
Because we think with our brains, all thought is physical. Our moral and political worldviews are realized as brain circuits with strong synapses. If you have two conflicting worldviews, you have two brain circuits that are mutually inhibitory, so that when one is activated, it is strengthened and the other is shut off and weakened. When a worldview applies to a given issue, there is a neural binding circuit linking the worldview circuit to that issue circuit in such a way that the issue is understood in terms of that worldview. The right language will activate that that issue as understood via that worldview. Using that language strengthens that worldview.
When a Democrat "moves to the center," he is adopting a conservative position - or the language of a conservative position. Even if only the language is adopted and not the policy, there is an important effect. Using conservative language activates the conservative view, not only of the given issue, but the conservative worldview in general, which in turn strengthens the conservative worldview in the brains of those listening. That leads to more people thinking conservative thoughts, and hence supporting conservative positions on issues and conservative candidates. Material policy matters. Language use, over and over, affects how citizens understand policy choices, which puts pressure on legislators and ultimately affects what policies are chosen. Language wars are policy wars.
And so to the State of the Union Address. The President will be using business language to indicate that he is pro-business. He will speak of the need for "competitiveness" as if America were a corporation, and will stress "investments" in education, research, infrastructure, and new energy. Paul Krugman, in the NY Times, writes:
The favorable interpretation, as I said, is that it's just packaging for an economic strategy centered on public investment, investment that's actually about creating jobs now while promoting longer-term growth. The unfavorable interpretation is that Mr. Obama and his advisers really believe that the economy is ailing because they've been too tough on business, and that what America needs now is corporate tax cuts and across-the-board deregulation.
My guess is that we're mainly talking about packaging here. And if the president does propose a serious increase in spending on infrastructure and education, I'll be pleased.
For Krugman, language can be just "packaging" and the packaging doesn't matter if the right policies are followed.
But conservatives know better. They know that they had better get their language front and center. As Eric Cantor said, "We want America to be competitive, but then he talks about investing ...When we hear 'invest' from anyone in Washington, to me that means more spending. ... The investment needs to occur in the private sector." Mitch McConnell had the same reaction, "Any time they want to spend, they call it investment."
Conservatives have made the word "spending" their own. It has come to mean wasteful or profligate spending, as if the government just takes money out of your pocket and wastes is on people who don't deserve it. "Spending" as used by conservatives, really mean the use of money to help people. Since conservatives believe in individual, not social, responsibility, they think it is immoral to use one person's tax money on helping someone who should be helping himself. The word "spending" has been used that way so often, that for many people, it always evokes that conservative frame, and hence strengthens that frame and worldview that makes sense of it. When Democrats use the world "spending" assuming falsely that it is a neutral economic term, they are helping conservatives.
Conservatives are trained not to use the language of liberals. Liberals are not so trained. Liberals have to learn not to stick to their own language, and not move rightward in language use. Never use the word "entitlement' - social security and medicare are earned. Taking money from them is stealing. Pensions are delayed payments for work already done. They are part of contracted pay for work. Not paying pensions is taking wages from those who have earned them. Nature isn't free for the taking. Nature is what nurtures us, and is of ultimate value - human value as well as economic value. Pollution and deforestation are destroying nature. Privatization is not eliminating government - it is introducing government of our lives by corporations, for their profit, not ours. The mission of government is to protect and empower all citizens, because no one makes it on their own. And the more you get from government, the more you owe morally. Government is about "necessities" - health, education, housing, protection, jobs with living wages, and so on - not about "programs." Economic success lies in human well-being, not in stock prices, or corporate and bank profits.
These are truths. We need to use language that expresses those truths.
Obama's new centrism must be viewed from the perspective of biconceptualism. In his Tucson speech, Obama started off with the conservative view of the shooting. It was a crazy lone gunman, unpredictable, there should be no blame - as if brain-changing language did not exist. It sounded like Sarah Palin. But at the end, he became the progressive of his election campaign, bringing back the word "empathy" and describing American democracy as essentially based on empathy, social responsibility, striving for excellence, and public service. This is the progressive moral worldview, believed implicitly by all progressives, but hardly ever explicitly discussed. The end of the Tucson address has helped bring back support from his progressive base. Will "empathy" return in the State of the Union Address?
Obama's message in his warm-up video to his supporters said that the economy can be rebuilt only if we put aside our differences, work together, find common ground, and so on. It's the E Pluribus Unum message - no red states or blue states, just red, white, and blue states message. It's a message that resonates with a majority of Americans. And so his poll numbers have risen.
How realistic is it?
Robert Kuttner is unconvinced.
He is now Mr. Reasonable Centrist -- except that in substance there is no reasonable center to be had.
A well funded and tightly organized right wing has been pulling American politics to the right for three decades now. And with a few instructive exceptions, Democrats who respond by calling for a new centrism are just acting as the right's enablers.
What exactly is the beneficial substance of this centrism? Just how far right do we have to go for Republicans to cut any kind of deal? Isn't the mirage of a Third Way a series of moving targets -- where every compromise begets a further compromise?
Kuttner has good reason to feel this way. The conservative moral worldview has a highest principle: to preserve, defend, and advance that worldview itself. Radical conservatives have taken over the Republican party. Their goal is to make the country - and the world - as conservative as they are. They want to impose strict father morality everywhere. In economics it means laissez-fair capitalism, with the rich seen as the most disciplined, moral and deserving of people, and the poor as undisciplined and unworthy of safety nets. In religion, their God as the punitive strict father God, sending you to heaven or hell depending how well you adhere to conservative moral principles - individual not social responsibility, strict authority, punitive law, the use of overwhelming force in defending conservative moral principles, and so on. Big government is fine when used to those ends, but not when used to social ends. Only "spending" on measures to help people should be cut, not the use of money to fund what conservative morality approves of. The concern for the deficit is a ruse. They regularly support ideas that would raise, not lower the deficit. Science is to be believed if new weapons systems are based on it, but not if it shows that human pollutants are causing global warming and disastrous climate change.
The Obama strategy seems to be to drive a wedge between the responsible business community and the radical conservatives. Most Americans, whether Republican or Democrat, are in business and most people in business want the country - not just themselves - to thrive. Sensible business people rely on the best economics they can find, not just on ideological economics. And even the biconceptuals who identify themselves with the conservative part of their brains show empathy - their progressive sides - in many parts of their lives.
The bi-conceptuals include those who call themselves "moderates" and "independents" - a very significant part of the electorate, probably fifteen to twenty percent, more than enough to swing any election.
What should progressives make of the "new centrism?"
First, they have to recognize the reality of bi-conceptualism. Adopting conservative language helps conservatism. Adopting conservative programs makes the world more conservative and so helps drive empathy from the world, and that is disastrous.
Second, progressives should recognize that the business of America is business - that there are successful businesses and businesspeople with progressive values, and they should be praised and courted - and separated from radical conservatives.
Third, progressives have to organize around a single morality, centered on empathy, both personal and social responsibility, and excellence - being the best person you can be, not just for your own sake, but for the sake of you family, community, and nation. All politics is moral; it is about the right things to do. Get your morality straight, learn to talk about it, then work on policy. It is patriotic to be progressive.
Fourth, progressives must understand the critical need for a communication system that rivals the conservative system: An overall understanding of conservatism, effective framing of progressive beliefs and real facts, training centers on understanding and articulating progressive thought, systems of spokespeople on call, booking agencies to book speakers on radio and tv, and in local venues like schools, churches, and clubs.
Fifth, it is progressive to be firm, articulate, and gentle. You can stand up for what you believe, while being gentlemanly and ladylike.
Sixth, progressives have to get over the idea that conservatives are either stupid, or mean, or greedy - or all three. Conservatives are mostly people who have a different moral system from progressives.
A new centrism that makes sense ought to be one that unifies progressives under a single moral system centered on empathy; that recognizes, and shows respect for, the progressive side of biconceptuals; that respects the intelligence of conservatives; that allies with progressive businesspeople as well as with unions; that builds a communication system that brings it in touch with most Americans; that calls upon the love of nature; that is gentle and firm; and that refuses to move to the right, either in language or action.
If you start adopting conservative language and/or positions, you become conservative-lite, or worse.
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Show AllYou are right. We are, presently in very sorry shape (we've become a nation of moral idiots). The right course of action must, still, be stated for the record, however, despite our current degeneracy. Where there is life, there is hope (for progress towards the good).
I hope this doesn't muddy the waters, but the famous mystic, Jesus, said; "go and learn what this means: My Father requires MERCY, and NOT justice". So justice must be tempered with a merciful heart. Love/caritas/promoting the general welfare is still the supreme ideal. Justice is also necessary
This is the common debate, but it is nonsense:
"What has historically failed is the private/corporate sector holding supremacy, as also the complete extinguishing of the private/corporate sector."
What has historically failed is capitalism.
What has historically occurred in response to that failure is various schemes by the system's protectors to shore it up (all failures) and the birth pangs of the necessary and inevitable historical dissolution of the status quo.
Private and public are, slowly, losing their meaning in a world of Mondragon and open source and sovereignty-busting globalization. Neither can contemplate the new forms that are coming into existence.
A film project about the power of mass collaboration, government and the internet
http://www.usnowfilm.com/
http://vodo.net/usnow
http://www.hulu.com/watch/203047/us-now
In his student flat in Colchester, Jack Howe is staring intently into
his computer screen. He is picking the team for Ebbsfleet United's FA
Trophy Semi-Final match against Aldershot . Around the world 35,000
other fans are doing the same thing, because together, they own and
manage the football club. If distributed networks of people can run
complex organisations such as football clubs, what else can they do?
Us Now takes a look at how this type of participation could transform
the way that countries are governed. It tells the stories of the
online networks whose radical self-organising structures threaten to
change the fabric of government forever.
Us Now follows the fate of Ebbsfleet United, a football club owned and
run by its fans; Zopa, a bank in which everyone is the manager; and
Couch Surfing, a vast online network whose members share their homes
with strangers.
The founding principles of these projects -- transparency,
self-selection, open participation -- are coming closer and closer to
the mainstream of our social and political lives. Us Now describes
this transition and confronts politicians George Osborne and Ed
Milliband with the possibilities for participative government as
described by Don Tapscott and Clay Shirky amongst others.
I take this essay to mean that Obama is doing the correct thing in his use of language appealing to "bi-conceptualism" that is, using liberal language in a conservative-pro business context. Do I have this right? Yet he warns us at the end of the essay that we will turn into conservatives ourselves if we start to use conservative language. Is this what happened to Obama? I'm confused.
For example the counsel to use "earned" not "entitled." But the original meaning of entitlement was that you are entitled to your social security because you have earned it. Why not take back the word by explaining its meaning and context. How would that work with bi-conceptuals? Lakoff doesn't have much to say about this does he?
This whole site is filled with Professors like Dr. Lakoff. They live in the bubble world of academia as much as the conservs. live in their bubble world of wingnuttia and the rest of us live in what's left of reality. What language do those of us that don't have the Corp. world as the wind in our sails or the Academic world paying our bills? What language do we use Dr. Lakoff to reassemble our shattered realties?
Quite a few folks here seem to be tired of Prof. Lakoff and see him as doing nothing more than quibbling about language. Language, however, is our primary tool in the manipulation of the political process. The conservatives have turned that process into a game of winners and losers with rules that Dr. Lakoff tries so hard to expose as biased in favor of conservative winners. Here is one rule that Dr. Lakoff doesn't often mention: Don't talk about justice.
Conservatives have taken justice out of the political debate altogether. For them, justice is a procedure that precedes a prison term, nothing more. They are perfectly happy with discussing how we can "bring someone to justice" but will become inflamed over any attempt to bring justice to someone who has been wronged, especially if the aggrieved party has not somehow earned justice.
Here in Argentina, one of our main political parties is the Justice party. They are Peronists whose driving ideology is that we must create a society that provides security and opportunity for all, a level playing field. Such a party or a party of any name that includes the word justice would be impossible in the USA. Conservatives have succeeded in making social justice or any discussion of it an evil that should not be spoken about. When Glenn Beck attacks Frances Fox Pivens he does so on other grounds, never mentioning that she is a life-long advocate for social justice.
While our political system in Argentina is just as corrupt and loaded up with clowns as Washington DC, at least we have justice. Poor people get housing, subsidies and their kids fed at school and illegitimate politicians who start illegal wars spend their sunset years in prison. While in Argentina justice is a guiding principle, in the USA it seems not to exist at all. Talking about Justice in the USA can now only get you beat up or thrown in jail.
Perhaps Dr. Lakoff can advise us on some way we can liberate justice from America's closet and use it to create a better society. I am sure all you progressive readers on commondreams are tired of justice being used as a codeword for incarceration.
EL POLACO: Thank you for the refreshingly honest and clear post. I agree with the excellent points you made. Because real justice is rarely experienced on the earth plane, mystics believe in the universal law of karma, that higher justice that eventually rights all wrongs and levels all "playing fields." Ultimately, it would make this earth a far more wonderful place to live if human justice systems came to more closely resemble their Divine equivalents.
"justice...a codeword for incarceration."
what do we then make of "liberty and justice for all"???!!!
thank you for your informative perspective from Argentina.
Yup, ever since Dubya got a hold of the word, it split into two meanings:
Justice for the masses, and especially 'forners', became 'bringin'um ta Justiss" i.e. death or Guantanamo (with a much greater emphasis on the former).
Justice for the friends of Dubya, and anyone working directly or indirectly with the MIC, that's simple: That justice belongs to, and is meant for 'Just us', the people in charge.
Heh heh heh. Get it?
And then came Obama, the Constitutional scholar who would come along to right the wrongs, and fix all the madness.
Heh, heh, Yeah, that's a good'un.
I listened to President Obama's speech tonight, and thought that it all sounded just lovely and comforting and optimistic IF we ignore the fate of over 50% of the people here. There is absolutely no place for them in the world the President is envisioning (there is the occasional "shut up because we are tossing you a few crumbs, which is more than Palin would ever do" remark) and the world in which the author of this article lives.
We are going to send more people to college, the president says. Why? Because A) college graduates make more money and B) that will help "us" compete globally. Think about that. If college graduates are going to be making more, than that suggests a permanent class of people making less, does it not? Or is everyone going to be sent to college? I don't think so. In fact, the president as much as admitted that when he talked about importing people with advanced degrees from other countries, so they can be on "our team" rather than going home and "competing against us."
Then, who is this "we" that will be doing better when "we" have more people with advanced degrees so that "we" can compete globally?
Clearly the president - and Lakoff, and so many progressives and liberals - are talking about the well-being of the upper 10%, those who will be needed by the corporations, by the ruling class, and who will be afforded comfort, status and perks in exchange for their service to the ruling class. The rest of the people, here and around the world? They may as well not exist.
The president on the one hand said that higher income is the key for individuals to survive, and on the other that most will be left out of that opportunity.
"Sixth, progressives have to get over the idea that conservatives are either stupid, or mean, or greedy - or all three..."
Oh well...five out of six ain't bad.
Important article. But I'm having trouble getting over the idea that conservatives are either stupid, or mean, or greedy. What else can you call someone who destroys his own and other's habitat, kills innocent people, and robs and rapes for devastation's sake.
"What else can you call someone who destroys his own and other's habitat, kills innocent people, and robs and rapes for devastation's sake."
Unprincipled ~ unscrupulous ?
I would guess that a fair bit of conservative thinking has to do with a certain Christian mindset. God's creations are for the benefit and use of man, and since the second coming is likely just around the corner, then a bit of environmental devastation here and there is of little concern. Non-Christians (Muslims for sure) are simply godless heathen trash. The wealthier I get, the more my Christian side wins. Humans are great at rationalizing. Christians truly outdo themselves.
Perhaps 'well-indoctrinated'? Or 'invested'?
A topic that leads directly to one I enjoy harping upon:
RADICAL CENTRISM, or the answer to the question, *What is a progressive?*:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_center_%28politics%29
"The terms radical center or radical middle describe a Third Way philosophy as well as an associated political movement. Followers of this philosophy claim to improve understanding by simultaneously affirming both sides, whether that be disagreement amongst left-right politics or other disagreement or dilemmas."
POSITIONING
"Radical centrists are related to what is sometimes called the Vital Center in American politics, and similarly claim to be drawing on the best of both sides. *However, they differ significantly from traditional centrism, which prides itself on moderation and seeking political consensus amongst the parties; radical centrists, for example, can be quite radical and populist in their stated policies. Radical centrists also can be divisive, as opposed to the non-partisan approach of traditional centrism*. Radical centrists are quick to dissociate themselves from traditional moderates, whom they often contrast as the "sensible center", or deride as the "squishy center."
"...[T]hough American radical centrism is today a minority political philosophy, it was, in fact, the dominant political philosophy within the United States from the time of Franklin Delano Roosevelt through Lyndon Johnson — a philosophy that was shared both by the presidents of that era and the majority of the American people. Therefore, [...] the American "radical" centrism of today is simply the adamant pursuit for a return to the once-mainstream political principle of New Deal economic progressivism coupled with a moderate cultural conservatism."
* * *
SYCRETIC PHILOSOPHY AND POLITICS (another good way of describing progressives)
"Syncretic politics involves taking political positions that attempt to reconcile seemingly opposed ideological systems, usually by combining some elements associated with the left with some associated with the right. The term is derived from the older idea of syncretic religion."
"Syncretic political movements and centrism should not be confused. Although both see their mission as eventual reconciliation, centrism attempts to take moderate elements from opposing sides and combine them into a stabilizing, moderate political force to preserve the harmony of an existing order that is under threat from partisanship.
Syncretist organizations, on the other hand, are usually involved in the construction of a new ideology from the most extreme beliefs of antagonistic movements and see themselves as revolutionary and radical threats to the status quo.
However, confusing the distinction are attempts by some to achieve centrist goals (such as modest health-care reform) using radical methods (such as subverting the U.S. two-party system)."
* * *
"There is an urgent need -- in fact a national survival need -- for invigorating intellectual life, for upgrading the general regard for intellectual excellence. The United States must experience an intellectual renaissance or it will experience defeat. The time cannot be far off -- if indeed it is not already here -- when the strength of a nation, measured in terms of any kind of world competition, will depend less on the number of its bombs than on the number of its learned men."
–Roper, Elmo
"Now let us bring together all who are convinced that there are new possiblities for human beings, who are willing to live their wholeness, and who are capable of demonstrating cooperative approaches to building a new world community."
–Virginia Satir
The "conservative" and "liberal " positions in the US are not very strongly opposed, though, due to the toxic posturing that is common in the US, many Americans think they must be virtual opposites.
The "centrist" position is essentially an attempt to insitute what I call "liberal utopianism", by which I mean the idea that all conflict can be done away with if only people would try harder to be "civil" and "respectful". Obama, of course, is a proponent of this view, which perhaps accounts for his repeated surrenders to his opponents, even when he is able to defeat them. But of course, in "civil' discourse, "defeat" is a bad word -- too "conflictual", not to say "dysfunctional".
This view is completely fatuous, both on a political level and as an account of human life. Like other forms of utopianism, it has a strong repressive element, as we can see in the widespread tendency to say this or that comment "crosses the line", to repress any references to extreme but illuminating analogies with Nazism (in reference to the Tea Party, etc.), and other attempts to shut down open discussion on the grounds that it is "uncivil".
The "Vital Centre" is an empty concept because it is based on sitting quietly by while others, less "civil" than oneself, put forward ideas and policies, and then shopping among them for the ones that seem least "conflictual".
The consequence of this kind of daintiness is that the conflict that is inevitable in a huge country in the midst of a vicious class war, is that the losers in that war -- the poor, the oppressed, the weak -- are the ones who are excluded from the political process because they tend to be blunt and direct when they articulate their demands (another bad word), and politics is reserved for the daintily civil liberal utopians and the uncivil bullies they find so unpleasant.
Democratic politics is not a process of eliminating conflict. It is a process whereby conflicts that might otherwise be resolved by the use of force and violence are resolved by debate (not "conversation") and majority rule. To pretend to eliminate conflict is repressive and reinforces the rule of the current elite.
So, to sum up, fuck "centrism", fuck dainty "civility", and let's be open about our intention to mobilize the power of the people against those who oppress them.
My,my,my, who do we have here? lol!
LEEZASKY: I tend to see it the way you do.
Obama's constant motions to the right under the guise of bipartisanship, not only appeased the "other" side, the plan worked well by giving the public the idea that there really are two viable teams. In truth, these moves lend cover to the more evident fact that ALL of his policies exist to appease the wealthy and/or the corporations. Both teams play ball for the same owners.
A similar pretense of politeness was seen in the "let's not look back" nonsense which placed a very dangerous veil over illegal activities done by Bush & Company.
As some very erudite columnists have pointed out (Glenn Greenwald, among them), what this has done is use the cover of "protocols of politeness" to not only grant legitimacy to such things as aggressive war AND torture, but to weave these egregious policies into the new fabric of American policy.
Civility that hides a casual disregard for life, human liberty, and any pretense of justice is anything BUT civil. And those who call it for what it is deserve credit, not blame! Surely they will be savaged to ensure that pretense, rather than truth, is kept front and center in the American MSM.
Many citizens will be left thinking, "Surely a congenial Constitutional Law Scholar could not get important things wrong? He must know what he is doing."
This is very good -
"...the cover of 'protocols of politeness' to not only grant legitimacy to such things as aggressive war AND torture, but to weave these egregious policies into the new fabric of American policy."
Listening to the president's speech tonight, I wondered if there has ever been a more polite, well-mannered and smooth-talking group of murderers, liars and thieves ever before in history.
"Please don't use that tone with me" is never said by the powerless to the powerful, but always by the powerful to the powerless, and in our culture the powerful are up to no good.
"Up to no good" - what an understatement. But I wouldn't want to be impolite or rude.
Hi,
Sorry for the slow response on this one, but there was a bit to bite off, and I didn't have the time to get to it until now.
Apparently the fact that my post was intended as a foil and contrast to the original article didn't come across clearly to you Leezasky.
Let me clarify.
re: "The "conservative" and "liberal " positions in the US are not very strongly opposed, though, due to the toxic posturing that is common in the US, many Americans think they must be virtual opposites."
The 'conservative' and 'liberal' positions named as such by the mainstream media, as well as the vast majority of politicians, have no basis in reality. The terms have been so misused and abused, they really hardly have any meaning anymore. We would be better served by calling these positions as you are identifying them as 'neo-conservatism' and 'neo-liberalism'. Your point is correct that 'neo-liberalism' has no true distinction from conservatism, at least corporate conservatism, unless you were to characterize it as simply *more* virulent.
The masses have been trained to misunderstand these terms, because this is how the corporatists maintain their grip on total control of the US gov't and its propaganda.
re: "The "centrist" position is essentially an attempt to insitute what I call "liberal utopianism", by which I mean the idea that all conflict can be done away with if only people would try harder to be "civil" and "respectful". "
This statement contradicts everything about what I posted. Read it again. It decries false 'moderation' and 'centrism' as a watering down of both conservative, and liberal ideals. 'Radical Centrism' proposes the opposite. Maintaining a series of fairly strong positions that in-and-of-themselves would appear unbalanced, but by taking the whole into account shows how a dynamic system of apparent opposites actually providing an powerful engine for positive progress.
re: "Obama, of course, is a proponent of this view, which perhaps accounts for his repeated surrenders to his opponents, even when he is able to defeat them. But of course, in "civil' discourse, "defeat" is a bad word -- too "conflictual", not to say "dysfunctional"."
Obama is a Centrist, NOT a Radical Centrist. I am more than dismayed by Obama's repeated bending to the supposed 'moderate'position, as he contorts into pretzels to accommodate his Republican detractors. My post was pointing out the same thing you are 'informing' me about.
re: "This view is completely fatuous, both on a political level and as an account of human life. "
Sorry, but your response – having missed my entire point and mistaking it for the opposite – has rendered you, at least here, as the fatuous one.
re: "The "Vital Centre" is an empty concept because it is based on sitting quietly by while others, less "civil" than oneself, put forward ideas and policies, and then shopping among them for the ones that seem least "conflictual"."
More of the same. Can your reading comprehension be this flawed?
OK, I'm skipping the rest.
In spite of the fact that your response was very rude – as evidenced by your last paragraph ("So, to sum up, fuck "centrism", fuck dainty "civility", and let's be open about our intention to mobilize the power of the people against those who oppress them") – and in spite of you completely inverting my point...
I think we are actually saying more-or-less the same thing, and so I won't be rude and insult you back. I just think you should take the time to re-read what I posted. It's actually quite useful, imho. Trust me, I am not a moderate.
cheers
Seconded.
"radical centrism...the dominant political philosophy...from the time of Franklin Delano Roosevelt through Lyndon Johnson"
are you forgetting that Teddy Roosevelt actually founded a Progressive Party?
Progressive Party, yes, but it was FDR and his 'radical center' politics that largely helped define what today is called progressivism, not Teddy, though he certainly was moving towards some fairly progressive policies for his time.
"FDR and his 'radical center'?"
You are making shit up.
This wouldn't be sucha steaming pile of BS if there was even a part of the American political spectrum that was actually on the left.
Radical centrists are Democratic Socialists - way to the left of the American so-called "left."
People need to reconcile their commitment to supporting the existing social structure while at the same time opposing the inevitable consequences of that structure. An immense amount of time and creativity is squandered on this impossible task. The term "radical center" perfectly illustrates this attempt to go in two directions at once.
dupe
George Orwell explained Double Think much better than Lakoff, who needed to invent a new term--"bi-conceptual"--so as not to plagerize. I even rather doubt if Lakoff has bothered to read The American Conservative magazine, which is well to the left of the allegedly conservative Republicans and supposedly centrist Democrats. And it was Chomsky who pointed out long ago the folly of using descriptive terms coined by either Ds or Rs. If Lakoff were to acknowledge those whose ideas he's borrowing, he might get a better reception. But since he is dishonest in this very fundamental aspect, his credibility becomes zero, yet again.
The difference is that Orwell was warning us about it, while Lakoff is recommending it.
Yes, I am sure that is it.
Picture the political world as a "pseudocylindrical" projection of the Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_projection, (a circle)). At the north pole are the super-rich. At the south pole are the poor. Left-right is only defined at the equator, amongst the so-called "middle class".
I knew George, distantly, a long time ago, when we were both students of Chomsky. We both rejected Chomsky's linguistics, but Lakoff is wrong to still deny Chomsky's politics.
I finally took linguistics in 1999 at the age of 44, coursework that incorporated Chomsky's linguistics and the developments since for my ESL endorsement. I think the champagne glass representation of the distribution of wealth a powerful symbol that also translates into the relative amounts of political power held by the different groups, http://thesocietypages.org/graphicsociology/2009/05/27/champagne-glass-distribution-of-wealth/
The difference is Lakoff uses science.
There's a profound ignorance that I don't see people capable of climbing out of without reading a book or two.
Lakoff fails at one thing at least. He fails to dumb things down enough in these articles for the audience interested in participating in political chatter. Actually it does seem dumbed down enough but is so unlike what they're used to hearing, there's no listening, just reaction.
Please describe the "science" in the article and how the critics are denying "science." Do you know what science is? It does not mean "whatever certain professors say."
People have very thoughtfully and meticulously responded to the author's points. The arguments are well-supported and are perfectly logical and rational. That can hardly be characterized fairly as "dumbed down" or as "just reaction."
Oh, I do understand the "science" Lakoff's trying to introduce, and I disagree with his hypothesis because I differ greatly with his conception of how thought occurs within the brain and whether cognitive pathways are purely physical. And all that's just for starters.
The difference is that Lakoff is not mentally and bioenergetically ill. You can't write sense into ill people, you have to heal them first. I predict that these posters who cannot tolerate the level of feeling being expressed by Lakoff (diluted feeling at that) will be here year after year complaining about the tyranny of the world even as the world continues to change for the better. The boat left long ago and they stand on the shore and curse the shoreline and the gulls that curse them from above.
Here's a quote from a recent wise man concerning them " We listen with hope and fear; we seek the light of another but are not alertly passive to be able to understand. If the liberated seems to fulfill our desires we accept him; if not, we continue our search for the one who will; what most of us desire is gratification at different levels. What is important is not how to recognize one who is liberated but how to understand yourself. No authority here or hereafter can give you knowledge of yourself; without self-knowledge there is no liberation from ignorance, sorrow." Krishnamurti
I strongly object to your insinuation that people who happen to disagree with you about this are "mentally ill."
That is your insinuation not mine Two Americas but based on how you have behaved, now and in the past, I have suspicions you are what is known as a plague character type. I could be wrong though. People are not disagreeing with me they are disagreeing with Lakoff and for no expressed sound reason or reasoning that I can tell.
You and I should avoid each other if we can in the future, I have no plans of interjecting with you as it stands between us.
thanks,
Dea
Classist Act, get off it. Religion is no impediment at all to progressive values. Just think Martin Luther KIng Jr and many others. Also even atheists may have religion. Just go to a few Unitarian Universalist congregations ando you'll even find atheist clergy. Stop blowing so much hot air. Science and relgion can easily coexists, and for most of those who are theists it does. I have no problems with the theory of evolution nor any other science. But let's allow those many who do it to use their relgion to infomr their values. The only certainty is uncertainty.
I accept on faith God exists. An atheist simply accepts on faith he doesn't. What's that got to do with us collaborating to make this a better world?
AD
The please explain this paragraph:
"The difference is that Lakoff is not mentally and bioenergetically ill. You can't write sense into ill people, you have to heal them first. I predict that these posters who cannot tolerate the level of feeling being expressed by Lakoff (diluted feeling at that) will be here year after year complaining about the tyranny of the world even as the world continues to change for the better. The boat left long ago and they stand on the shore and curse the shoreline and the gulls that curse them from above."
This was in response to speculation by others as to what is supposedly wrong with people who would criticize this article.
Who is the "they" you are slamming here, if not those who criticized the article? You refer to "ill people" and then in the next sentence say "these posters who cannot tolerate the level of feeling being expressed by Lakoff."
Granted, your writing is cryptic and difficult to comprehend - perhaps so you an slip in insinuations and then deny them later? - but I think that paragraph is pretty clear. "Those posters" - the ones who "cannot tolerate ... Lakoff" ate "ill," and the nature of the illness - that you say is causing people to be critical of the article - is "mentally and bioenergetically ill."
If you did not in fact do exactly what I said you did, then that paragraph makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
There is nothing "between us" - I am merely responding to what you have written - and I will post where and as I choose to post.
You do not seem to be responding to what I am writing as much as you are interjecting into what I am writing. I respect your points and questions about what I have written and agree they may be cryptic and even beyond comprehension for some or all. I wish I had the time to spend hours trying to make myself clear for you and everyone else. As it is, the time I spend here is stolen. In time if I stay long enough and you do and we keep discussing anything and everything, perhaps we will understand each other then?
I'm glad to see you have some spine.
Dea
Who cares what language the Prez uses when we know by now the fellow does not 'walk his talk'?
And am I the only one who is sick and tired of 'experts' advising Progressives what to do, what to say, and how to say it? I myself find more clear, authentic discussion of the real, basic issues of our world on sites like this than in monitory pieces written by supposedly sympathetic professionals.
'Massaging' our message does not come across (to me) as any more honest than the propaganda of the Right. Of course we always tailor our dialog to the listener in a skillful reaching out that does not compromise our own principles. I believe quality communication is also built on respect. Lakoff would get farther if he showed some.
(How did it double-post? Sorry.)
this is precisely the sort of pseudo-intellectual mumbo jumbo that never quite gets there because it ignores the role violence plays in our world...
it will always be difficult to explain our world without putting violence at the center, because events and relationships make no sense without it...
brains are physical, indeed...that is what makes a bullet so effective against one...
how is the progressive position on private property different from that of their opponents?
if destroying the environment is immoral, then his points 2 and 3 contradict one another...do progressives believe they are responsible for handing down sound ecology, or wealth?
"how is the progressive position on private property different from that of their opponents?"
It's not, of course.
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hmmmm, i thought a centrist was someone who votes 3rd party, follows the constitution, as it is, the constitution does not need to be fixed. (we need to make the laws surrounding the constitutional freedoms, work). as for how i talk, i talk like a living being. i do not listen to how progressive/conservatives speak, why waist time on their diatribe. i read the news on common dreams. i do not believe Common dreams has any party lines, just facts. i do not like lables anyway, they divide the citizens. that is exactly what they want. stop lableing, be an upright, dignified conventional articulate speaking individual who follows the constitution like a bible. we are all in this together, and we need to take it upon ourselves, by not voting for democrates or repulicans. they are anachronistic. get over us and them. everybody wants what is good (except our intimidating, despotic ascendancy).
There is nothing "new" about any of this and Lakoff knows it. The Democratic Party hasn't listened and it isn't about to until they're done losing for good.