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Oh, For Civil Healthcare in America
Ah, we must be more civil. No more taunts. No more tirades. No more gun crosshair targets, no matter how innocently placed on our graphics (though I am not sure gun crosshairs are ever really innocent in placement). We’ll be more civil in our discourse. In light of the tragedy in Tucson. Maybe.
But stand at the front desks in a hospital admissions area or a doctor’s office or at other providers’ offices and civility is the last thing we’ll know. We can be sick – shaking with fever, bending over in pain, bandaged for wounds, chest aching with unknown agony, and the questions and responses will be anything but civil. “What insurance do you have? Where’s your co-payment today? Is that a check, debit or credit card? Do you have a picture ID? Have you signed our legal forms and signed our privacy forms?”
And if you make it through all of that, you may still not receive the kind of care needed to make you feel better or even save your life. You may sit waiting for a doctor who may or may not treat you based on what an external organization or agency says you are entitled to receive. The doctor may be annoyed that you are in his or her care instead of farmed out to another specialist. If you do find yourself referred for a test or another doctors’ visit, you’ll start the process all over again from the beginning. Co-pay paid? Insurance in order? Credit or debit card? Picture ID?
Civility? Hell. No one has even helped with the symptoms that brought you or a loved one in for care.
In my more civil healthcare world, the first questions asked would relate to, well, civil sorts of patient-related questions. “How can I help you today? How are you feeling? Does that hurt? How can I make you more comfortable?” But until we transform this system, those questions are secondary, at best.
Even in our most crass and impersonal financial transactions, some polite interaction is programmed into the dialogue. But not in healthcare in America. It seems every time I seek care or take someone I love for care, I am treated like an annoyance or like the enemy – someone from whom the providers must be protected. The evil, non-cash-bearing patients, we are viewed by many as such.
So long as the motivation for profits and more profits and ever-increasing profits remain the primary motivator for those who dole out our care and our access to that care, I am not likely to see more civility but less. I half expect that within a short bit of time, I will carry with me a card that shows not only my medical history but also my credit score, my bank balance, my credit or debit card information, my next payday linked to a payday loan operation, my current insurance coverage and the status of my deductibles and out-of-pockets yet owing at the time of treatment and so on. It may even have my photo and maybe some biological security device to make sure I am the widget labeled on the card. If at any point in the process, I cannot pass from patient to insured patient to out-of-pocket expense paying patient to finally in the exam room patient, I’ll be let go. And it won’t be civil. All but the most exaggerated gaping and bleeding and gasping will wait until all financial systems are clear.
If we were civil in our healthcare delivery, we’d want what is the right and the best treatment for one another delivered at the most appropriate time in an appropriate way. We finance such a system through shared risk and shared cost-saving, and we’d minimize the wasted administrative expenses and the duplication of services now so costly and so un-civil.
I watch with hope when I see communities rally after tragedy. So why is our healthcare system so different then and why are our sick folks less deserving of our best caring and effort simply because their tragedies unfold more slowly, more methodically, and more quietly?
Bending the healthcare cost curve will only happen when we believe that creating a progressively financed, single-standard of high quality care for all is the most rational, civil course of action and we set about to make it happen. So far, allowing tens of thousands of our fellow citizens to suffer and die in a very uncivilized way while the care they needed was within our grasp has not compelled us to act decisively. Civility has not been the hallmark of healthcare in America.
We’ll watch next week as legislators argue the pros and cons of repealing the newest healthcare bill. They might even attempt to show a calmer tone while doing so. But whether they succeed in the political theatrics of the repeal effort or not, sick and hurting patients will keep standing at those front desks waiting to be cleared for care or sent away in shame. And no one will care much at all right now about the civility of that preventable suffering.
When we see good people harmed in unimaginable acts of violent outrage, I hope we’ll pause to remember those among us for whom quiet acts of unthinkable pain and illness are an on-going assault on any sense of human decency. When we finally have reached the point of shared realization that we’re responsible for one another and for our civil society as manifested not only in acts of occasional violence but also in our everyday ability to uplift one another for the common good, then we’ll be moving toward a sense of civility that will do more than change our words – it will change our lives.
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Show All"...In my more civil healthcare world, the first questions asked would relate to, well, civil sorts of patient-related questions. “How can I help you today? How are you feeling? Does that hurt? How can I make you more comfortable?” But until we transform this system, those questions are secondary, at best..."
Oh... you mean like it was when I was a kid. Up until about 1980 when the accountants took over the world.
The biggest "transformation" we need is to "unemploy" all of the accountans, lawyers, CEOs, CFOs, BMOCs, etc. and just be human being again.
Doctors need to see the healthcare profession not as a quick path to "the good life", but a calling to help and heal. Perhaps a cap on doctor salaries to drive out the hacks that only "practice medicine" for the bucks?
No corporate owned healthcare facilities? That might be a good place to start, too... Remember when churches and other charitable and civic organizations ran hospitals instead of greedy, money-driven insane people?
Oh well... maybe after the revolution.
You're correct and Donna succinctly sums up the problem. What we have allowed to be called "healthcare" in America has become so deeply rooted in the capitalist system that nothing short of a revolution will cure the ill. I would like to see more national discussion of cost in healthcare. We have allowed big business to take over and their profits runneth over. What about competition, there are no advertisements for cheap blood tests or x-rays or other diagnostic procedures, no price lists at the front desk for surgical procedures. They expect you to pay with no questions asked. This is not how most other "businesses" are run, and this is the problem treating someone's illness or condition should not be conducted as a "business" it's just not amenable. It's a double standard, insurance companies have the best of both worlds, profiteering at someone's sickness and charging whatever the pretty please with no questions asked by the public. Only in America. We need price caps and we need them now.
Although I am no fan of David Brooks, his 1/8/11 column provided several statistics (related to the Obamacare provisions that have kicked in since Obama signed it last March)that show how absurd the Obamacare assumptions have proven to be for those provisons that make up that first 5% of the Obamacare program.
As a result of Obamacare's absurd assumptions the stats show cost overruns of 200% or more. The current cost overruns will be dwarfed by the cost overruns you will see when the big ticket Obamacare provisions kick in in 2014.
revolution??? they are packing prisons for three decades now in millions
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Remember when doctors made house calls?
Yes. And the last time I saw that was at my aunt's home - in Europe.
The recent digital change of all medical records for computers, which doctors and nurses applaud because it makes their job easier, is a big step in making patient privacy and care a joke.
Only gullible fools actually believe the lies doctors tell their patients, that the privacy of their medical records is sacrosanct. Your medical record is the fetish voodoo doll that doctors and nurses keep to represent you. It isn't always used to record facts about you. Sometimes, it's also a recording of whatever lies someone wants to make up about you. They can do this with impunity. Suppressed hostility toward patients is common in medicine.
The medical profession is full of huge dishonest egos, who DON'T have their ethical act together.
They even get away with openly participating in torture,
and NOBODY loses their license for doing so.
Medicine in America desperately needs adult supervision -
not kids regulating kids (doctors regulating doctors), but REAL ADULTS regulating them. Presently, medical licensing board members are all doctors, except a few others who are also beholden to their health care industry. To become an honest profession, doctors MUST become subject to a patient-based licensing board. A board with teeth, whose primary interest is right and wrong, ensuring patient safety, and the power to PERMANENTLY bar wrongdoers from ALL future practice in America. I'm fed up with doctors' whiney complaints about malpractice suits. If justice were done for patient welfare, many of today's doctors would be kicked out of the profession, and doing something else to pay off their school loans.
200,000 patients a year die from preventable medical mistakes.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/11856.php
The American Medical System Is The Leading Cause Of Death And Injury In The United States
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed.htm
Half of all doctors admit they've witnessed dishonest, unprofessional, or impaired behavior by their colleagues, WHICH THEY DIDN'T REPORT.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22083982/
The medical field is filled with spoiled brats. Its ethical restraints are as rotten as Wall Street's. They don't have their act together anywhere near as well as they pretend.
Their promises that your medical info is private, are not worth the breath they expend saying it.
And the insurance companies protect these deadly quacks.
SHAWN? You could not have written this. Is someone else using your sign on name now? Or did you get a lobotomy in the past 4 months when "You" weren't posting on this site? Although I don't agree with the entirety of your post, there are some significant and quite lucid points made. Thank you(s).
Anyone who has a doctor or doctors in their family or friends know it is not a fast track to "the good life". I know of one doctor 14 years past certification who still hasn't been able to pay off school expenses, another with a client load of 700 because they agreed to work with the impoverished, another spending 30 hours at the hospital to ensure patients get the care prescribed...
Medicine is one of the longest, most arduous, most expensive educations and training possible - yet many still do not earn what a TV weatherman does!
It is not doctors who have sent our medical costs soaring - it is insurance companies and paperwork. Did you know that without insurance your medical expenses for a general practitioner are often up to $100 less per visit? Did you know that insurances charged physicians are often more than the doctors net annually? Insurance has added nothing to care and doubled the price! End the parasitic insurances and you return to sanity.
Live Simply So That Others May Simply Live
The extreme for-profit ideology of America has led inevitably to massive corruption in almost every sphere of activity including the obscene and inefficient health care system that is nothing but one large insurance scam perpetuated on a divide and conquer basis. It all boils down to a question of values and in America greed trumps need every time.
The American culture is not a culture of greed. There are many generous Americans.
The American culture is one of callousness. Americans have learned to have a callous attitude toward the sufferings of others.
I believe that America's long history of slavery and racial discrimination is the conditioning and "moral" justification for this callousness.
My wife and I had three children. Two were born in the United States, the other in Canada. There is no comparison, the Canadian experience was so much better in every respect.
Starting with "respect," that is what the Canadian hospital gave us along with their compassion, and when the birth process was over, it seemed like the whole staff shared in our joy of having a beautiful new daughter.
Never once did the Canadian experience seem like a business transaction, however both births in two different American hospitals did, and both births in America were a business transaction that the hospital never let us forget. From the time we hurried in the door, and had to sign all sorts of legal forms, until we signed another batch of papers so we could leave, we never felt like the hospital staff was a positive part of our joy of having our children.
If memory serves me right, in Canada all the paperwork was done long before the day we hurried across the border to the hospital in Fort Francis. The border patrol agents passed us right through, and even gave an extra call to the hospital telling them we were leaving the border, and would be there in about three minutes.
I left with the feeling that in Canada health care was a need and a right that everyone knew was there for them. It wasn't a special right, it was just your everyday right, like the right to have safe drinking water. Everyone pays for it, but it isn't classed as an extra expense. I guess it would compare to our paying for our military. We just do it and don't think that this percent is going to the Pentagon. Canadians have doctors and hospitals with their tax money, and we have stealth bombers and pilots.
Gee, other than we'd get a bill at the end, our healthcare system functioned quite well right up into the '70s - right about the time the insurance companies took a real shellacking in Latin America - and I wondered how they'd make up for all those lost profits. Well, guess what?
All of us kids were (unfortunately) born in American hospitals - and my father never had any kind of insurance once he left the military. Didn't need it - none of us did. And nobody at any hospital to which I went, or took other people, ever asked about anything other than a name for the records - and how they could be of help.
Insurance for the necessities of life is extortion, plain and simple. The system worked quite well. The camel's nose in the door, so to speak, came with the freeze on wages during WWII - that's when 'health insurance' was offered as a 'benefit' that couldn't be taxed and wasn't considered a raise (at a time when employees were scarce). Those 'benefits' were expanded after that 'insolvency' problem - offered to a young and healthy population of Baby Boomers who got scammed. Now it's used as a justification to keep this abomination going.
Why are the California Nurses no longer backing California Single Payer?
Donna Smith spoke and wrote eloquently in favor of Single Payer throughout the 08 election and Healthcare "Debate" as an outsider and advocate.
Now, before the newly passed national legislation further entrenches the insurance companies _is_ the time to push Single Payer in California. But the California Nurses have abandoned the campaign, "this year." Why? I'm told because of their new alliance with SEIU. I do not understand.
The California Nurses Association has not abandoned single-payer. They have not given up on achieving a progressively financed, single standard of high quality care for all in California or anywhere else.
Thank you for your comments and for helping frame the discussion.
Many of the strongest single-payer advocates in the nation share your view that repealing the current bill is a good idea while other equally strong single-payer advocates think the exercise in pursuing that is just that -- an exercise. The House may pass a repeal effort, but the Senate will almost certainly not do so right now. And the President would not sign such an act. If folks think chances to repeal will be better post-2012, I think that's a wasteful strategy to pursue as opposed to working agressively to move single-payer forward at every opportunity.
I know many of us have been ever watchful of the incrementalist arguments -- that we can somehow get to single-payer step-by-step. Some of us have fought against that. Others have offered that if the steps move us in the right direction that we must grab those chances and move with them. Certainly Bernie Sanders offers some glimpses of hope for fighting for the right direction. And states like Vermont and California will provide us all the chances to truly do just that.
One of my frustrations and also a goal is to more broadly embrace those others areas of advocacy within the brutal healthcare system and make sure we join forces to support single-payer. The patient safety community rightly fights to lower the some 100,000 or more deaths a year due to medical error, yet the single-payer camp has not effectively convinced this growing and critical advocacy community about how single-ayer and a more sane financing system would also address their goals. We have fought to change minds in political arenas and not issue groups where we might find forceful and committed fellow-advocates. We need to make our case more broadly and clearly.
When I speak out and about around the country, I always encourage those of us who advocate for single-payer to step outside our comfort zones and work to engage neighbors, friends and groups not on the anti-single-payer fringe. We do not need their support so much as we need much more from folks not yet engaged at all.
Finally, we need to get honest with each other. Patients see and know what is going on. And instead of telling the truth from our perspective, we hedge the bets so as not to offend the more powerful and influential. That is the shared experience and shared outrage that will ultimately drive a successful movement to win change.
Just my musings.
Thank you, Donna and Visiting Professor.
A third coalition of the perhaps willing could fit into the strategic scenario. I am speaking about the various environmental organizations; and here is why:
1. Medical fall-out from fracking
2. Medical fall-out from the BP disaster in the Gulf
3. Medical fall-out from those drinking water that's been contaminated by any number of local polluters' outflow systems, including the sinister materials seeping into soils near several aging nuclear power plants.
4. Medical fall-out from lack of food regulation (add Chinese products to the growing list)
5. Medical fall-out from reactions to drugs not properly tested, and put on the market without serious peer-review research to substantiate their safety.
6. Medical fall-out from D.U, the "gift" brought back from Iraq by U.S. soldiers
There are no doubt other areas of relaxed regulation that are leading to increasingly dangerous exposures which factor into the growing cancer rates.
One could even place corn syrup and the "everyday products" advertised on TV to this list; for ultimately these products play a role in the escalating rates of Diabetes, a U.S. epidemic.
When ONLY profit is served, woe to the nation's citizens. Not only is health care access guarded, but few restraints are placed on those agencies that do harm. Then it's all about YOY... with rising costs part of the package!
All the hoops we have to jump through to make ourselves eligible for health cafe were summed up by politicians like Joe Sestak in his Senate campaign, who although he supported Obama's health care plan also dismissed single-payer with this statement. "Whatever the deficiencies of the private market, I still believe it it is the most efficient way to allocate resources for health care." His language was an almost exact duplicate of the testimony that private health insurers gave to the PA state senate a year before. so you see Donna, what you call callous, inhumane or uncivil is really just the magic of the market at work making sure that those who are really worthy receive the benefit of this scarce commodity called health care. Can you imagine what would happen if we didn't have these gatekeepers efficiently allocating resources? Can you imagine the profligate overuse, the malingering, the fraud and abuse which would occur if everyone who felt sick could go to a Doctor without any further consequence? Don't you foresee the unsupportable tax burden it would create? Good thing we have politicians like Joe Sestak, self proclaimed man of the people and liberal darling defending us from single-payer, Medicare for All.
There are two really pathetic aspects to Joe's refusal to embrace single-payer. First that he embodies right wing talking points on single-payer (as Obama has) probably as a pay off for campaign contributions and the second is that he feels that propagating this misinformation is a way to gain votes among a public that is ill informed and fearful. Maybe I shouldn't be so hard on Joe though. He's not much different from the average Democratic politician.
People in politics who talk about the free market don't know what they're talking about, or don't care that they are lying. If there was a free market in health care, natural/nutritional medicine would have already cut costs by 25-50% and doctors would not lose licenses for using "unapproved" treatments, even when those treatments cure their patients.
indeed.
how about a civil, as opposed to our most violently oppressive, way of life?
In the USA (United States of Absurd), we have a "debate" that health care should or shouldn't be a "right". Now only in a selfish country with a non-reality based right wing could such a ridiculous argument even be had.
Although we live in houses, instead of the woods, and drive cars, instead of walk, and eat prepared foods, instead of grass in a field, we are still just a herd of animals as far as any infectious diseases go. And just like any herd of animals we are susceptible to diseases that could devastate our herd. This makes a basic health care system for all not a right but a NECESSITY!
Now some virus like the one that caused the 1918 flu pandemic, or something even worse, is not going to check the constitution to be sure that it is "legal" to infect a person. It is not going to check their voter registration card to see if they are a Teabagger or not. Its not going to check their insurance card, or their IRS tax return. If it CAN infect a person, it WILL infect that person.
Now let me tell you a little story of what could happen, because our society holds the "common good" in such low regard.
I hear that Mr Bloomberg rides the subway. Lets say someday in the not too distant future, someone gets on Mr B's subway car with a, very deadly, very aggressive, very drug resistant, TB virus. This virus was formed through mutations that occurred while it was infecting the uninsured poor who could not afford effective treatment.
This new TB virus had a 70% mortality rate, unfortunately it is decided by the corporate media that the public should not be told this to avoid panic. Sadly not knowing the TRUTH prevents the public from acting in its own best interest.
WIthin weeks everyone that rode in that subway car is severely ill. Most of those that were poor, die quietly in their homes, with no fanfare, because they cant afford to go to the hospital. Mr. Bloomberg being rich, gets the best care that the "best health care system" can provide, but it is too late. There is no cure for him, and Mr. B drowns in his own mucus surrounded by the finest medical hardware available.
By now the disease is spreading rapidly across the country. Democrats and a few Republicans try to push through an emergency health care package, effectively creating a basic universal health care system so people can be universally vaccinated, and treated for the disease.
The right wing goes absolutely BERZERK over this. They rally their base, using Rush, Palin, and Beck. The bill is defeated. Boehner feigning rage, says, "The country has been saved from socialism!". Shortly after the defeat of the bill, Beck becomes infected. Once he starts coughing on air he is quickly replaced. Upon his death he is cremated and his remains are packed into shotgun shells, which are sold in packs of 21 to his supporters. For weeks after his death, 21 gun salutes in his honor can be heard across the land. A few sets show up on eBay, but are quickly withdrawn, because it is considered to be in "bad taste" to sell them like that.
The disease spreads. Many hospitals try to treat as many people as possible, but can't absorb all the costs and go bankrupt. Some of the upscale for profit hospitals refuse to take non paying patients, and make quit a "killing" treating their upscale clients, but in the end most of them still die. The stocks of these for profit hospitals soar.
The rich retreat to their gated communities, but get infected anyway because their poor housekeepers and cooks can't afford to see doctors, and the free clinics are overwhelmed.
Things get so bad that Wall Street has to shutdown because so many traders are out sick. Their lobbyists pressure congress to do something to help stop the spread of the disease, but the insurance lobby holds up any legislation until their lobbyists can be sure it is "health industry friendly". That hold up of the legislation was the last thing Karen Ignagni of Americas Health Insurance Plans managed to do, before she succumbed to the disease herself. AHIP gives her grieving family a very nice Lucite award for all her hard work. AHIP replaces Ignagni before her body even leaves the morgue.
Finally the disease hits K street and the Capital itself. A universal health care package is quickly passed. A tearful Boehner says Republicans passed the universal health care bill because, "It was the right thing to do", and they were, "always in favor of common sense health care reform".
The United States of the Absurd never recovers from what in the end becomes referred to as "The Fools Plague" . Some say it was a fitting end for what the American empire had become.
Wall Street - at least the trading - wouldn't have to shut down because computers could keep running with a skeleton crew...
This is another thoughtful and insightful essay. Thanks, Donna.
I also struggle with the issue of "civility" in health care; apart from the profound core issues raised by Donna, I have mixed feelings about what might be called the "cultural" aspects of my care.
I recognize that so far, knock on wood, I'm in a privileged position. I recently retired from state employment that provides decent health insurance. While I'm not affluent, I'm single and have always had sufficient financial resources to pay the co-pays for care (including prescriptions) and incidental bills. Most importantly-- again, knock on wood-- I've enjoyed decent health in spite of myself.
Years ago, when I felt grown-up enough to shop for a primary care physician, I was referred to one whose practice was esconced in a local well-regarded hospital. This doctor, sadly, suddenly died of leukemia after I'd been a patient for a few years. But because I'd chosen a hospital-based practice, I stayed with his successor and "my" hospital.
I'm pleased to have a "one-stop shop" at this hospital, even if it is an expanding corporate medical center. And I do generally find that the staff-- doctors, nurses, receptionists, phlebotomists-- are personable; the latter group commendably display professional TLC.
However, there is an institutional coldness or impersonality in their service delivery. The large-screen plasma TVs blaring nonstop CNN; the automated phone system that hangs callers out to dry; the too-frequent miscommunication and mixed or contradictory information. For instance, they refuse to develop an e-mail contact system for routine issues, e.g. simple questions or requesting a prescription refill.
I'm still aggravated at my doctor's playing Good Cop when he first failed to adequately inform me that I had diabetes, then belatedly referred me to their "Diabetes Education Program"-- or Diabetes Boot Camp, as I call it. The Boot Camp was traumatizing; I felt as if I were no longer an autonomous adult human being, but a two-legged lab rat.
Well, boo-hoo. As noted, I'm quite aware that being subjected to corporate-media teevee and being jerked around now and then is hardly on a scale of the horror stories Donna and Michael Moore have shared with us.
But that's my point-- even the best care contains elements of an impersonal objectification that is unnecessary, and onerous. The diabetes ordeal proved discouraging and off-putting despite the superficial rhetoric of care. Even as a relatively "pampered" patient, there are onerous, ominous symptoms of the commodified nexus of capitalism, Big Pharma, and corporatism inimical to humane, civil health care in Amerika.
It was like a visit from the Ghost of Health Care Yet to Come.
Invest in insulin stocks. Soon, a small vial of insulin will be worth more than an ounce of gold. A need for 5 vials a month can add up. Of course, the engineered 'recession' has affected all of us.
For those affected by the 'donut hole', have you noticed that insulin prices are rising steadily? Thus, when the 'donut hole' penalty is 'improved' next year to 50 % of cost, the price will have doubled.
Big Pharma wins again. Oh, what a surprise, especially since we now have a HOPE and CHANGE Speechifier-In-Chief, who does not even recognize this as a problem worthy of his attention.
Certainly, the for-profit health care system in the US is sucking our resources dry. Earlier this week there was some discussion of the resignation of White House press secretary Robert Gibbs. The discussion centered on his salary of $172,200.00/year as being unreasonable.
Well, I have been researching the salaries of so-called health care related non-profits by reviewing hundreds of IRS 990 tax returns filed by these entities. The results are stunning. Anyone can pull and review these records at www.guidestar.com. Let me share some of this data from just one non-profit health care sector, the human organ transplant system.
There are 58 Organ Procurment Organizations across the country charged with the responsibility of recovery and allocation of cadaver organs for transplantation. According to salary.com the average annual income for a transplant surgeon is $426,000.00. The CEO of OneLegacy in Los Angeles, a non-medical paper pusher in 2008 was $550,000.00. Total revenue generated by this agency was $68 million. The Executive Director of the private contractor running the cadaver transplant system, again a non-medical paper pusher, earns more than $500,000.00 annually. So it is with all 58 OPO executives who are paid these undeserved sums. Oh yes, OneLegacy executives were found to have spent $531,460.00 on Rose Bowl Week parties and then charged these expenses to Medicare as direct patient services and education. (OIG.hhs.gov - audit # A-09-08-00033). Some of the OPO spend 62% of total revenues on salaries plus more for benefits. There are tens of thousands of similar examples in the non-profit health care industry.
Review the salaries paid to executives at your local non-profit hospital. You will be stunned!
I thought something very similar. The care given to Giffords should be the standard of care given to all.
Haven't you noticed that killing or wounding a federal employee is a federal crime?
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal that others" George Orwell
"Being a federal employee makes a person more valuable than everyone else?" Apparently that's what Congress believes because they wrote the law.
..."Being a federal employee makes a person more valuable than everyone else?"
it's the other way around, while private kept workforce is payed directly, federal workforce is payed by money exhorted from the taxpayer instead of government earnings
edweg
obama-drones executing pakistani children make them least of all
edweg
Donna, the reform may come much faster when we take care of the opponents devotion to private sector and leave them there - dragging them along has never worked
edweg