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Tell Joe Klein It's Stupid NOT to Get Out of Afghanistan
Joe Klein thinks you're stupid for wanting to get U.S. troops out of Afghanistan.
Here's what he said on a recent CNN appearance:
"I was on Ed Schultz' show to discuss Afghanistan...And the guy writes on a piece of paper, 'Get out now,' and holds it up on the screen. That's so stupid and it's so unworthy. And it really -- it's one of the reasons why people hold us in lower regard than they do lawyers."
Klein may not have realized it, but in calling Schultz "stupid" for wanting to get out of Afghanistan, he's insulted most Americans.
More than 60 percent of Americans oppose the Afghanistan War. In a recent poll, bringing troops home from Afghanistan ranked above concerns on the deficit. In fact, it was the #2 issue most important to Americans, just behind fixing the economy. Bringing troops home would save us $1 million per troop, per year, helping to fix our economy and cut the deficit.
But Joe Klein thinks you're stupid for wanting to do that.
Let's talk about stupid for a minute.
The U.S. has increased troop levels in Afghanistan every year since the initial invasion, and every year we've seen an increased level of violence in Afghanistan. President Obama and General Petraeus promised--twice!--that huge troop increases would help "protect the population" of Afghanistan and break Taliban momentum. Yet over the course of their major escalations, the heightened troop levels failed to protect Afghan civilians, who suffered more war-related deaths than the year before. And, according to NATO and the Pentagon's own statistics and reporting, the estimated number of insurgents is exactly the same as last year, and they continue to grow in geographic and operational reach. After all this failure of troop increases to stem the violence, Secretary Gates just announced another troop increase.
That sounds pretty stupid to me.
American workers are drowning in an economic crisis. Huge numbers of us remain unemployed, and hundreds of thousands are giving up on finding work at all. States all over the country are slashing their social safety nets to shreds, cutting things like health care for kids in poverty, while at the same time the federal government is charging their state an amount larger than their states' deficits to continue the Afghanistan War. While 68 percent of Americans worry that the war's costs affect our ability to fix problems here at home, we're wasting $2 billion a week on a war that's not making us safer.
That sounds pretty stupid to me.
Klein's wrong about why people hold "journalists" like him in low regard. The reason people hold some talking heads in low regard is that we're tired of being shoveled the same, tired "Very Serious People" drivel that's kept us in a brutal, futile war for almost a decade. The Afghanistan War isn't making us safer and it's not worth the cost. The writing has been on the wall for years. Waiting even one more day to start bringing troops home is...well, you know.
Watch Brave New Foundation's latest Rethink Afghanistan video to learn more about why keeping U.S. troops there is a stupid idea, and then leave a comment at Facebook.com/RethinkAfghanistan with your thoughts on Joe Klein's "stupid" remark. We'll make sure both he and Ed Schultz see your messages.
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Show AllOK Mr. Greenwald.
Joe Klien...its STUPID not to get out of Afghanistan. And what Mr. Greenwald was to polite to say was that you are personally stupid for wanting us to stay.
By the way...have you been down to join up since you think its such a great idea? I've noticed that 99% of those that decided to attack, keep us there or think its such a great idea have never seen a bullet or shell fired their way.
I will second that Mighty...
Joe Klein...its STUPID not to get out of Afghanistan. And what Mr. Greenwald was too polite to say was that you are personally stupid for wanting us to stay.
Thomas Gilbert
Joe Klein said that people who advocate withdrawal don't appreciate how complex the situation is.
No, Joe, they know. They know that the US establishment and flunkies like you are desperate to find a face-saving pull-out.
Delaying admission of defeat just runs up the cost of the defeat.
One has to understand that Klein reps TIME MAG one of the establishment's most important propaganda rags.
complexity is frequently the handmaiden of deceit...
- Afghanistan War -
Let's make sure that we're all talking about the same war - we are talking about the US military effort to defeat al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan, which may or may not include Pakistan, and is a separate war than the fight against al-Qaeda (and its affiliates) in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Kenya and everywhere else.
I again point out that this will lead us to the situation where we will be protesting 195 separate wars against terrorists (they will undoubtedly be found in outer space).
We will continue to fail to get the US out of Afghanistan or anywhere else, unless we confront the legal basis for any US presence, and unless we confront the ONE global insanity that we are trapped in, this DAFT and insane forever war to prevent future terrorism by military means, a war against enemies named by Presidents.
Public Law 107-40 gave to the President the authority to surge the US military anywhere in order to fight enemies to be named later.
Bush named al-Qaeda and the Taliban as enemies.
Obama named 'al-Qaeda affiliates' (which means whatever he wants it to mean).
Obama said 12/1/09 - 'that authorization still exists'.
Until that authority is taken away, Presidents (current and future) will continue to surge the US military anywhere where 1. someone cries 'terrorists!' and 2. some corporation finds resources for the taking.
I have posted for years that the simplistic calling for withdrawal from Afghanistan would fail and would continue to fail.
That simplistic idea hasn't worked, and won't work, and in fact more US troops will troop into Afghanistan this year to replace departing NATO soldiers.
The only way to get out of Afghanistan (before the inevitable catastrophe) is to deny the President the authority to keep troops there.
It's time to do something about Public Law 107-40. Nothing else has worked, has it?
we dont hold journalist in low regard.we hold you Joe.
Okay, Joe Klein. I thought you were a little smarter than that. Shame on you, Joe Klein.
I guess that's to be expected in today's non-accountability climate here in America.
Joe Klein is not stupid. He is advocating for war and occupation which is arguably the most profitable activity ever invented. The MIC, BigOil and others make obscenely high margins on war. It is all subsidized by the public and they rape and pillage the profits; what's more they can sit back in their expensive leather power chairs, smoking cigars in total luxury making billions, while OTHER people suffer and die. It's EASY MONEY BABY! And what's more the Banksters get their cut, as all this is paid for by debt!
But don't take it personally, its just business.
So Joe Klein (as well as the D/R duopoly whores, and the Corporate/Bankster Mafia) is not stupid. He might be one of the most evil, morally reprehensible, corrupt, assholes on the planet, but he is not stupid.
Ah, someone gets it. I think people here forget that the real reason for the war in Afghanistan is the same for staying: an oil and gas pipeline from Central Asia to the Indian Ocean and India.
The most recent reason to stay is the one trillion in rare earth metals necessary for modern military and civilian computer technology, among other things.
It is all about power and profit.
Yesterday, I had occasion to cite a quote on another CD article; I was delighted by the positive responses. IMO, it's worth repeating to make a point:
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See Matt Taibbi's hilarious and insightful "Matt Bai's Post-Partisanship"*; here's a money quote:
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Bai is one of those guys -- there are hundreds of them in this business -- who poses as a wonky, Democrat-leaning "centrist" pundit and then makes a career out of drubbing "unrealistic" liberals and progressives with cartoonish Jane Fonda and Hugo Chavez caricatures. This career path is so well-worn in our business, it's like a Great Silk Road of pseudoleft punditry. First step: graduate Harvard or Columbia, buy some clothes at Urban Outfitters, shore up your socially liberal cred by marching in a gay rights rally or something, then get a job at some place like the American Prospect. Then once you're in, spend a few years writing wonky editorials gently chiding Jane Fonda liberals for failing to grasp the obvious wisdom of the WTC or whatever Bob Rubin/Pete Peterson Foundation deficit-reduction horseshit the Democratic Party chiefs happen to be pimping at the time. Once you've got that down, you just sit tight and wait for the New York Times or the Washington Post to call. It won't be long.
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* http://bit.ly/hgXoh4
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Joe Klein is a "Matt Bai" nearing the END of the career cycle so trenchantly summarized by Taibbi-- one of the "pioneers" who blazed the "well-worn path" Taibbi mentions. He's more of an old-school liberal-lite, of course-- the product of an earlier zeitgeist. But the song remains the same.
It's been credibly reported that Klein, commensurate with his status as a Respected Senior Corporate Media Infotainwhore, is vain, pompous, and prone to take great umbrage at slights and criticisms.
Klein simply can't fathom that his views are not universally respected and admired by anyone who's not a Republican, or comparable wingnut, reactionary, or yahoo. He evokes the image of an aging high school teacher who at one time was really cool and popular-- the cynosure of an intramural student cult.
Now, as an increasingly clueless dinosaur lumbering towards professional extinction, he lashes out at detractors and wonders why only a few hapless dullards sign up for his elective classes.
One imagines him sitting before the mirror at night, mumbling, "I AM big. It's the AUDIENCE that got small."
WTC? Sorry, missing the point here. Is it supposed to be WTO?
Damn, for the second day in a row I forgot to make note of that typo-- which was made in the original text I pasted, re-copied, and re-pasted here.
And like I said yesterday to a similar response, I'm just [sic] about it.
Still, it seems perfectly obvious to me that it IS a simple typo, and that it's supposed to be "WTO"; maybe you should consult Taibbi directly if you feel that this ambiguity renders the entire quote incomprehensible or meaningless.
Thanks for clarifying.
Afghanistan provides an opportunity to train soldiers in our national habit of murdering, exploiting, and tormenting littler browner people, while simultaneously encouraging Afghans to be more "American" by putting holes in the mercenary thugs of a distant and brutal foreign occupier.
The troops were trained by the warmongering video games created by the Pentagram, video manufacturers when they were children to be employed at a future time.The USG/MIC, Mafia-Industrial-Complex, pays for the training of children soldiers in Africa whom are employed immediately, on the job training, while the children soldiers used by the USG/MIC are employed later.
If this country had a state-run media, how would it be any different than the corrupt gibberish parading around as journalism right now?
Joe Klein-if there is anyone you are related to or close to, is currently serving in Afghanistan, and they, God forbid, get killed tomorrow, will you THEN say staying there was stupid, or will you say "I wish he/she/they/ could have gotten out of there"?
To think being there is right IS STUPID. Go join the fight, Joe, and then tell us what you think, you arm-chair general.
What happened in Arizona was just a small taste of what America rains down on innocent people every day. Can you imagine the outrage?